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What about the minutemen militias who fought in the Revolutionary War?

raz0rbladez909

I would say that reservists today, would closely resemble what the minutemen of the past were, if not exactly. But I would say minutemen were more like drafted soldiers who they could not afford to provide uniforms for, even though they still received training of some sort.


And whats his face kingkilburn whatever it is you took that post however you were imagining someone to respond to your post without reading it. He didn't insult your mother, get your panties out of your ass, and if you'd like continue with the discussion of the retarded photogs getting owned for walking around with people with rpg's and ak's.

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imotion s14

they weren't drafted, the didn't enlist. they weren't soldiers. they were ordinary men.

raz0rbladez909

which is why i said LIKE, the colonial militia were all "ordinary men" its not like they had some great training back then, the definition of a militia is this

Main Entry: mi·li·tia
Pronunciation: \mə-ˈli-shə\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, military service, from milit-, miles
Date: 1625
1 a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency b : a body of citizens organized for military service
2 : the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service

Main Entry: min·ute·man
Pronunciation: \ˈmi-nət-ˌman\
Function: noun
Date: 1774
: a member of a group of men pledged to take up arms at a minute's notice during and immediately before the American Revolution


Sounds alot like a reservist to me, do you feel you somehow have a connection to these minutemen? I'm not saying everyone should join the military, in fact alot of people shouldn't, but i don't see your point in bringing up a war from the 1700's to use against a quote from a few years ago, unless you are purely overanalyzing the quote, which is all it is, an opinionated quote that someone liked and uses it for motivation. So what about the minutemen, the colonial army/navy, the confederates and the union, the soldiers from world wars I and II, etc. need I go on, apparently the quote got to you somehow, because the quote isn't intended to talk about a war from 200 something years ago, it was for motivation during a time of war recently.

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JDMpurest

um no sir you a very mistaken that is not all the quote is and it is definitly not opinion it is fact. Not many words have been spoken that have more truth than those. Please get your facts straight sir.

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KA24DESOneThree

The ultimate reason for the military is defense. This war was not in our defense. There are other, modern reasons for the military: peacekeeping, drug law enforcement, humanitarian aid, etc. However, the military's ultimate raison d'etre is defense and, in defending, waging war.

I am part of the militia. The military is not. Any man paid by government to take up arms is not a part of the militia, he is a soldier.

Do not bring up any war but this one. Any other war is a red herring. Drop any pretense that this conversation covered anything other than the current war. You didn't serve in WWII, nor are we discussing its merits or lack thereof. We are talking about this current war being waged in (on?) Iraq and Afghanistan.

I am not ungrateful, I just do not see the necessity to fight other peoples' wars for them. I am ungrateful that we are wasting money.

This war was about avenging a wrong. We have wronged two countries in the process. I don't care that we've built schools, built infrastructure, "saved lives." That was money which should have been used in our borders. That was money which belonged to the US. Gas which belonged to the US. Bullets and blood which belonged to the US. No other country deserves that which Americans have worked for unless Americans give it themselves. It is not the government's to give, and not the military's to give.

You think this is treason? Wasting the US' money, a byproduct of the work of Americans gathered by a damn-near dictatorial regime, is treasonous. You went over there, pretended to be the good guys while invading a sovereign country, and wasted that money. Your paychecks are paid for with stolen money, congratulations. Your grub, your armor, your ammo; all stolen money to "increase" the standing of the US in the eyes of the world. Instead, we're the police force, the cowboys, the pathetic egomaniacal bully who takes the place of a bigger bully and claims to do good while still giving a pounding to the populace.

My father was in Vietnam. My fiancee's father was in Vietnam. My grandfather was in the Army. My older brother was in the Corps. My great-uncle was hit by a shell on Normandy and disappeared in sand and gore. My family has served; I will not.

JDMpurest

I never thought in the world that i would say this but i am ashamed that i am fighting for your freedom to say those words. The heroes that where in your family would kill you if they knew the words you have spoken. You are a fucking little ungrateful piece of shit, you are worth no more than the cow shit soldiers in Afghanistan have to sleep in.

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kingkilburn

YOU ARE NOT FIGHTING FOR OUR FREEDOM! END OF STORY. NO DEBATE.


That fight was won for you more than 200 years ago and you don't get to claim that as your victory.

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98koukile

It's funny how the Boston tea party was brought up and how we rose against England who was trying to control us... yet how easily we forget the past. We call everyone fighting for Iraq an insurgent or a terrorist. You bring your soldiers to my town, attack my neighbors, I'll have more than an AK. Those men could have been there to protect their children, they could have just as easily been a line of defense because they heard gun fire approaching their town. It's so easy to judge someone, like saying you don't know because you're not there fighting. Well sirs, I hope you don't have children that go to public school because one hour in Iraq could run multiple schools here for a year. I'm all for joining the Military, know any branch that will take a bum knee? Just don't send me to Iraq, I already have a flag from that one.

Here's the key to thinking outside of the box, America is not the only country in the world... and other countries have the same reaction to us invading them as we did when England was controlling us. I support my country through thick and thin and that will never change... I hope

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Drift N Dragg

Unlike you, I will leave what you wrote. Instead of deleting the Important Information that misguided people like yourself tend to do.

This War was not in Our Defense? Hmm So does that mean that No plane's Struck the World Trade Towers? No Plane Struck the Pentagon? No Plane crash landed because of the Bravey of an AMERICAN Pasenger that was not going to let then Terriorize him?

You are Right in the Fact, Yes the Military has OTHER functions.. And currently are providing those Services as well..

Exactly Which War Did America Wage that was not in Reaction to Someone or Some Country threatening the United States as a Whole?

This, out of everything you wrote is Correct... in a ackward way of describing it.

Why Not? Is it because you cannot prove wrong within the exception of this war?

It's painfully obvious that I was proving my Point on what your last Post stated. Ofcoarse I did not Serve in WWII, that would make me rather old.. But does not mean that somenoe in my Family did not.. Possibly may have talked to them, learned from them, listen to there stories.. hmmm weird..

There were no ' Lack-There-Of ' Merits on WWII .. Unless you feel like you are a commie? Because thats Exactly what you would be right if they won..

But I agree this Topic is about Iraq and Afghanistan, But again referencing other War's to prove a Point, that is seems you are missing...

I think is this a Moment that I will say, I agree. I do not believe in fighting someone else's war.. BUT in part, it is still our War..

Exactly how have we Wronged 2 countries that hides and conseals terroists..

The one Point you are missing is that those Schools, Infrastuctures created Contracts, which Created Jobs.. I have friends that worked on those projects.. I know friends that work for companies that CREATED the Material that went into those Contracts.. hmm sounds like it Still came back to the United States.

And that is Public Information... Research it.

In other Countries, your Freedom of Speech, is Treason.. Speak against the Country and Away you go.

Stolen Money, eh? Funny you say that.. Could have Sworen the Military Members were Paid by the TAX Payer's.. I Don't remember someone holding a gun to your head, stealing your Paycheck..

So we are the World's Police... And? Someone at some point has to Stand up and Say ' Enough is Enough.. ', But you wouldn't see that because you were born with these Freedoms that others do not have.. the Rights when other have none...

And again, its your RIGHT to not Join... Other Countries you are forced too against your will..

In Conclusion to your post.. I don't see you as blind, but someone that does not hold all the facts to the situation..

Everyone is entitled to there Own Opinion and outlook on each topic.. Not saying yours is wrong, Not saying my is Right.. But atleast be thankful that you are allowed to express it freely without being prosecuted.

1st: Your Blindness is sad to see, especially since you said your Mother has served 20+ years.. How about you express this to Her and please let us know what she says ( And just incase you get Sensitive, I was NOT saying ANYTHING BAD ABOUT YOUR MOTHER, I would just like to Honestly know what she has to say to her Son about this.. its a Honest question )

2nd: Apperently you do not understand Heritage, Honor, Pride in your Country, and Sacrifices made that impacted today..

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kingkilburn

What makes you think you get to take responsibility for a war you were not in?

The way you talk there can be no debate. Your way of proving your point is to bash the opposition and twist words and ideas. Their is no debate here.



As member of the armed services do you honestly believe a plane crashed into the Pentagon? The US government left one it's most important structures defenseless? I find that very hard to accept, in fact I can't.


As far as my mom goes; who do you think shaped my views on government and the military? She was happy to go to Hungry and El Salvador, even Korea. When there was even a remote chance of her going to Iraq she did what she thought was right in her mind and got out to her own detriment. She had no wish to be Bush pawn of revenge against Saddam Hussein. Her time in the Army told her that if he was to be deposed it should be done by the UN and not by us. She agonizes over her decision to retire but in hind site she is happy that she did get killed in a war fought under false pretenses.


If you want to get into the merits or lack there of of any war since our war of independence I will be happy to educate you.



Comparing America do another country in not an argument.


I'll say it again you are not defending any of my constitutional rights. I defend them through continuing to exercise them.

It is the citizen's role to defend the constitution from the government.
It is the military's role to defend the citizen from any outside aggressors.

You need to decide for yourself as a serviceman, do you defend the people or the government. Those are very different things. If you do not understand these concepts you need to educate yourself on the political philosophy that this Republic was founded on.

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98koukile

And the irony is the fact that many uneducated people use this argument as to why we're in Iraq. No one in Iraq posed a threat to America directly. We went in for Operation Iraqi Freedom. Bush had to make up for his fathers shortcomings. We wanted an ally with oil. There are no known weapons of mass destruction. It was all a ploy. If our government had said... we want to free these people from injustice and wrong doing no one in the world would have helped... so we used propaganda to sell this war to the world. This I am against, this I will never agree with. After all, this country was founded on principles that can be timeless if followed, we've strayed off the path and need to find our way back. It's time we start helping make the world and our country a better place... and stop trying to make our country the world.

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kingkilburn

I'm fine with taking over the world if that's what we want but that means open invitation to statehood. We can not continue to have our money inflated and stolen from us just to throw it away on another country that may not be successful or even friendly.

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JDMpurest

You people are morons, we are fighting to keep terrorists out of our country. Your mom is a fucking dick bag tell her i said thanks for serving cowardly. She didn't want to go to Iraq? Then she shouldn't have joined. I'm ready and down to deploy at any second. Thats my job and i knew that when i wrote a blank check in service to this country.

"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

You wouldnt know anything about this quote tho because you've never sworn it.

I only pray to God that people like you would get as heated and pissed off about terrorists and our enemies as you do when people talk shit about your pussy liberal mom who loved the benefits of the military but wouldn't pay the ultimate price for them.

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kingkilburn

You sir would be a dead man if you said that to my face. Isn't nice to hide behind your keyboard.

She completely fulfilled her oath. At the point when she lost faith in her chain of command she got out.

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JDMpurest

Do you know how many terrorist plots the military has stopped because we are in the middle east? There in the correct news every day. It's cool tho as I lace up my boots put my uniform on that people have died in for your freedom even today, it's cool knowing that people like you take the safety we give you for granted.

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kingkilburn

That is for the UN to handle. If you want to go police the world Go join them.

We need to be in Afghanistan, Iraq we have no business in. No one in Iraq threatened my freedom. There were no terrorists before we got there. If they hadn't invaded the war in Afghanistan would be over.

I love how you sit on your high hoarse while burning a dollar. It really shows your character.

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Drift N Dragg

Ok This Thread Just Hit the point of no Return..

Before this gets worse I am closing this Thread..

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