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Old 02-04-2012, 09:43 PM   #181
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I'm nit-picking a bit here, but....



1: 300zx is a contemporary car running a V6, with comparable power and performance at a much better price. Honda was not the only game in town by any means, especially considering Porsche has been running a 6 in the 911 since the 60's.

2: The NSX weighed in around 3,000lbs, heavier later, containing a 3.0l v6. Skyline 2.6l, I6 weighed 3,150. Slightly heavier, smaller motor. In fact, all your examples are within spitting distance of one another concerning weight, power, and displacement (with the exception of the RX, though it's often classified in the same way as a 2.6 6cyl). Aside from exotic materials/looks, it's nothing special in comparison to Japanese contemporaries.

3: Again, Porsche has been doing this for decades. The M3 started with an I6 before changing formats. This isn't something new that the NSX somehow pioneered. Most of these changes are simply a reflection of the technologies of the times.

The point that has been made over and over again, is while the NSX looks nice, and is a decent car... it's never been a supercar. The NSX is the Lexus LF-A of the 90's. Expensive, made of unobtainium, and really not a whole lot better than a lot of cars costing a lot less with far more desirable nameplates. The main thing it has going for it is looks. It has aged well, I'll give it that.
You're kidding right? The NSX will outhandle every other car from it's era. It keeps up with supercars around racetracks with some mild tuning.

There's a reason the FXD car owns several overall lap records.

No to mention it attracts more attention then any of the other cars besides maybe an FD.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:00 PM   #182
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You're kidding right? The NSX will outhandle every other car from it's era. It keeps up with supercars around racetracks with some mild tuning.

There's a reason the FXD car owns several overall lap records.

No to mention it attracts more attention then any of the other cars besides maybe an FD.
This is my entire point. "It keeps up with supercars around racetracks with some mild tuning." It's not a supercar. I didn't say any of the cars listed were BETTER than the NSX. However, they are contemporaries, with similar features, all of which were FAR less expensive. If you're going to talk about how well a tuned NSX does, put that ~$40k headstart into any of those other cars and the game changes drastically. So it breaks necks? That's all? That is supposed to impress me? Fact of the matter is, it may be able to outhandle those cars, and it may look better than those cars. That is not enough to give it the legendary status posts like yours seem to imply it has. The true supercars of the day were not even concerned with a blip like the NSX.
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So it breaks necks? That's all? That is supposed to impress me? Fact of the matter is, it may be able to outhandle those cars, and it may look better than those cars. That is not enough to give it the legendary status posts like yours seem to imply it has..

So the fact that it breaks necks and it out handles all these cars isn't super car status? Maybe in your book, but in a lot of other people's opinions... that's really all the matters.

I haven't seen a "supercar" reach supercar status just because of it's straight line power and speed. Other than maybe a C6 ZR1? Supercar's usually have a taste of well balanced performance... not chassis debilitating power like a Koenigsegg CCX.

The truth is, it does have extreme amounts of racing technology from the holy grail of all technologically advanced racing series. Ayrton Senna himself gave input to the engineers at Honda of how the car handled and the chassis felt with the powerband it was given. It is the first production car to use exotic materials. Not only in the chassis, but in the engine as well.

So because it is a balanced platform that provides an amazing driving experience that is on par with some of the most expensive cars on the planet at the time (and some of the current cars of our time). Using materials that are STILL rarely found in today's supercars and exotics. And 20 years later it is STILL drawing a crowd when it shows up to cars and coffee on Saturday mornings..

You're going to tell me it doesn't deserve the "legendary" descriptions and comments people are making?

...right.
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So the fact that it breaks necks and it out handles all these cars isn't super car status? Maybe in your book, but in a lot of other people's opinions... that's really all the matters.

I haven't seen a "supercar" reach supercar status just because of it's straight line power and speed. Other than maybe a C6 ZR1? Supercar's usually have a taste of well balanced performance... not chassis debilitating power like a Koenigsegg CCX.

The truth is, it does have extreme amounts of racing technology from the holy grail of all technologically advanced racing series. Ayrton Senna himself gave input to the engineers at Honda of how the car handled and the chassis felt with the powerband it was given. It is the first production car to use exotic materials. Not only in the chassis, but in the engine as well.

So because it is a balanced platform that provides an amazing driving experience that is on par with some of the most expensive cars on the planet at the time (and some of the current cars of our time). Using materials that are STILL rarely found in today's supercars and exotics. And 20 years later it is STILL drawing a crowd when it shows up to cars and coffee on Saturday mornings..

You're going to tell me it doesn't deserve the "legendary" descriptions and comments people are making?

...right.
Yes. I find it hilarious how you can say other peoples opinions matter, and yet when others in this thread including myself have a differing opinion... it somehow loses weight. At no point did I ever make a comparison based on superior power or straight line speed, so I don't know where you're getting the whole "debilitating power" argument from. The "exotic materials" comment is questionable as well. Plenty of other production cars used exotic materials, for their day. That's not a first. Those particular materials and applications were, but it's not as though it was some major revolution in automotive history. Titanium rods, but not enough power for them to matter... Aluminum chassis, but weighed as much as competitive cars... I don't see how that's such a huge leap in technology.

"Look guys, I made a steering wheel out of pure platinum!" "...How is it better than a normal steering wheel?" "PLATINUM."

All that said, I've at no point stated the NSX is a bad car, or that any particular other car was better. It's just not a supercar. An awesome yet overpriced sports car, yes. Supercar, no.

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