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ESmorz · 09-09-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by murda-c

Only god could love you enough to send you to hell for eternity for a lifetime's worth of sinning.

Timeout for adults.

sillyvia13 · 09-09-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWolf

Ya know. Most of these questions were answered by the pope in a series of talks from 1979 to 84. Pope jp2 basically gave a 1 hour lesson once a week for 5 years. Explained alot of this. It's called the Theology of the Body. Christopher West does a great guide for this book. I recommend it because the pope is long winded. If you want to understand why god created us, why we are the way we are, why we are to toil by the sweat of our brow, why we were cast out after eating from the tree of knowledge, why sex before marriage is bad, why priests are celibate, how your marriage reflects gods love and how you are a reflection of that, how you are a watchman over others. The book is the size of a phone book but is worth it.

To dumb it down a little.
Religion is just like 240's. You can be completely ignorant of the workings of your car. Never visit a forum. Always take your car to the dealer for service and by the end of 10 years of owning that car you'd swear nissans were the most expensive, most prone to break cars and you'd never want to own one ever although you never did any maintenance on it and always paid the most to have any work done. Now as you learn the inner workings of the car, things get cheaper and easier to do. Not as much of a hassle. Once you come to know all aspects of your car. It's easy to diagnose a problem and fix it. Same thing with religion and your life. The more you get to know your relationship with god. The easier it is to maintain it. The more you learn, the easier it is to erase sin from your life. The more fullfilling your marriage is. But most people are stuck at "noob" status. They don't want to click the search button to find an answer; they'd rather gripe about how hard it is to learn or how hard it is to find answers. I mean compare nico to zilvia. "Wahh my car bogs and gets 5mpg whats wrong?" Although it's tougher when it's life's problems. "My marriage is nothing but arguments.. what's wrong?" What I'm getting at though is there are several questions asked here but no one has begun to search for the answers yet I'm sure this isn't the first time you had that question. I bet everyone here has spent more time working on their car that working on their faith. Try and spend some time to understand god. I encourage everyone to search.

WOW !! YOUR THE MAN! lol

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Originally Posted by downshift_sideways

Yea. Incest apparently had to happen.

Same goes with Noah's Ark.

check this out... noah's ark bit...
YouTube - Joe Rogan vs Noah's Ark

Addicted2Kouki · 09-09-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by downshift_sideways

Yea. Incest apparently had to happen.

Same goes with Noah's Ark.

Oh shit.
All you guys are my cousins...err...brothers...err......something.

shishcabobers · 09-09-2008, 06:23 PM

I'm just curious how many of you guys have actually took the time to learn your own religion or other religions? Instead of actually just reading or hearing certain things. I mean I bet you there are some of you out there that have a whack perception of a certain religion, but if you actually studied the religion maybe it would actually be a totally different thing from what you believed.

For example, some people think that Catholics worship Mary and Statues, when it clearly states that in the 10 commandments thou shalt not have other Gods before me. But in actual reality Catholics are only venerating Mary and the Saints asking them for help, to remember them and use them as a role model. I mean look at a picture of your family or a loved one, now would you say that you are worshiping it? No you are only look at it for remembrance of the person.

ESmorz · 09-09-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shishcabobers

I'm just curious how many of you guys have actually took the time to learn your own religion or other religions?

Christian schools.

Then lots of sleepless nights just reading about other religions.

SexPanda · 09-09-2008, 06:38 PM

Well, we all have souls made up of things called thetans. These thetans have existed for trillions of years. The once belonged to aliens, but the evil Xenu, leader of the Galactic Confederacy brought the aliens to Earth on spacecraft that resembled Douglas DC8 aircraft. The aliens were stacked around volcanos, and blown up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls now live inside us and cause all of our bad feelings, like anger, jealousy, sadness, etc.

SW20Racer · 09-09-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by downshift_sideways

Doesn't every human apparently die over time?
Doesn't ever man just "live" and eventually "die"

What abour Dinosaurs? The bible never mentioned them? They were here way before man? We have fossils to prove it.

there is a riverbed with fossilized footprints of man and dinosaur interweaving.
the bible also makes mention of "terrible lizards"

if anything, i'd like to believe if there is a supreme being, he had less to do with it than going "here is this, there is that" maybe he just got the ball rolling ya know, and things have ended up here.

SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE MUST REMEMBER IS THAT MAN WROTE THE BIBLE. WHY DO YOU THINK ITS CALLED "THE KING JAMES VERSION"? BECAUSE KING JAMES TOOK OUT THE STUFF HE DIDNT LIKE AND PUT IN THE THINGS HE DID. EVEN THE ORIGINALS HAVE MASSIVE VARIATIONS IN STORIES WRITTEN BY TWO PEOPLE AT THE SAME EVENT.

googe "marijuana in the bible" and see whats up. green is supposed to be a holy sacrament.

google "the book of thomas"

look for the book called "when science fails" and see the most religion distorted publication to come out in recent history.

the ideals of religion are nice. what isnnt so nice is what the majority of religions turn their followers into.

"more men have been killed in the name of God than any other reason" -George Carlin

SR2Zero · 09-09-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by downshift_sideways

Science can be proven realistically.

The bible are documented words made by man.

Why can't we see all the miracles and wonders that are mentioned in the bible?

I honestly don't want to go into too much of a religious debate, partly because most of everything mentioned in this thread is unexplainable. Can we prove there was a big bang? Not really. God might have created the earth with a "bang"

I just find it too hard to believe that we are perfectly formed by a coencidence. That particles just happened to form everything, perfectly.

Anyways, beyond questions of science vs creation by a greater being, where did everything come from that either banged together to create it all, or where did God come from?

Purely unexplainable. I don't like to think about it. I don't attend church every Sunday, but I fail to believe in pure luck of the draw that everything we know just happend to spawn together the way it is.

Cern is trying to create this "god particle" , and some think potentially risking the world to do it.. I'd rather not know. This has been debated for years, we won't ever figure it out... Until it's too late.

Other than that, you seem knowledgeable on the subject of the Bible and all... Don't see too much of a point of writing all this.. Where would we be without a belief of God.. I honestly don't know, I like to think the world is a hell of a better place with it though.

shishcabobers · 09-09-2008, 07:37 PM

5 Proofs of God's existence by Thomas Aquinas

Aquinas: Five Ways to Prove that God exists -- The Arguments

The ROMAN · 09-09-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shishcabobers

5 Proofs of God's existence by Thomas Aquinas

Aquinas: Five Ways to Prove that God exists -- The Arguments

1. Prime Mover argument = Problem is where did Gods movement come from?

2. First Cause Argument = Problem is who caused God, makes him an "uncaused cause."

3. To exist, not to exist = Says that something must have existed at one time in order for all things to exist, assumes this first existing thing is God. Also, he speaks of necessity, but since when did the universe operate on necessity?

4. Graduation Argument = Assumes there is such a thing as "better" so "best" must exist, which is God? Is this not really reaching, and making assumptions? Must all scales have an end? Think about numbers, if one is higher, must there be a highest?

5. Intelligent design = Problem is biologically things are not perfect, chaos exists in nature, so does entropy. Entire galaxies crash into one another. Why would God make an imperfect universe?

I'm no philosopher by a long shot, and honestly his 3rd and 4th arguments are really technical and maybe I don't understand them completely, but his arguments do seem to have serious holes and assumptions in them. Also they have been refuted by other philosophers since then.

EDIT: Here's an example of a response to Aquinas by Bertrand Russell:
Why I Am Not A Christian, by Bertrand Russell

There is a better, written response entitled "Why I am not a theist", which is a little better organized (the one above is from a speech).

Matej · 09-09-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWolf

Ya know. Most of these questions were answered by the pope in a series of talks from 1979 to 84. Pope jp2 basically gave a 1 hour lesson once a week for 5 years. Explained alot of this. It's called the Theology of the Body. Christopher West does a great guide for this book. I recommend it because the pope is long winded. If you want to understand why god created us, why we are the way we are, why we are to toil by the sweat of our brow, why we were cast out after eating from the tree of knowledge, why sex before marriage is bad, why priests are celibate, how your marriage reflects gods love and how you are a reflection of that, how you are a watchman over others. The book is the size of a phone book but is worth it.

To dumb it down a little.
Religion is just like 240's. You can be completely ignorant of the workings of your car. Never visit a forum. Always take your car to the dealer for service and by the end of 10 years of owning that car you'd swear nissans were the most expensive, most prone to break cars and you'd never want to own one ever although you never did any maintenance on it and always paid the most to have any work done. Now as you learn the inner workings of the car, things get cheaper and easier to do. Not as much of a hassle. Once you come to know all aspects of your car. It's easy to diagnose a problem and fix it. Same thing with religion and your life. The more you get to know your relationship with god. The easier it is to maintain it. The more you learn, the easier it is to erase sin from your life. The more fullfilling your marriage is. But most people are stuck at "noob" status. They don't want to click the search button to find an answer; they'd rather gripe about how hard it is to learn or how hard it is to find answers. I mean compare nico to zilvia. "Wahh my car bogs and gets 5mpg whats wrong?" Although it's tougher when it's life's problems. "My marriage is nothing but arguments.. what's wrong?" What I'm getting at though is there are several questions asked here but no one has begun to search for the answers yet I'm sure this isn't the first time you had that question. I bet everyone here has spent more time working on their car that working on their faith. Try and spend some time to understand god. I encourage everyone to search.

Are you saying I should feel guilty if I don't care at all to learn about religion?
Does that make me a bad person?
Will people call me ignorant now?

C. Senor · 09-09-2008, 10:41 PM

although religion is a very much debated topic, and i have my own beliefs that i hold true. my response stating my view, is that every one has a different outlook on their religious status, much like we all have the same car (a 240), they are all different from each other even if only a minimal difference, as small as one different bolt. same thing with religion. we all believe something, even if it's not believing in anything. its still a belief. so no matter what our views, we all have some sort of "religion."

BustedS13 · 09-09-2008, 10:56 PM

Matej · 09-09-2008, 11:11 PM

Hahaha.
That's exactly why religion is just a belief, and not knowledge.

Actually I think it's a very nice thing when someone truly is religious and really does live by the values and always makes an effort to be a good person. I admire those people.

It just seems that a lot of "religious" people are in it for all the wrong reasons. They are religious because their parents told them they are. They defend their faith, yet many don't even bother to learn about the history of their own religion. They just blindly agree with their religious authority's interpretation of a faith that's supposed to be their own.
These are the people who can do whatever they want, and then they have the luxury of going to confession and confessing all their sins, so they can gloat over me acting like they're a better person.
I'd rather just not make bad decisions in the first place, and if I do regret doing something, I will admit my own guilt and live with it and learn from it.

BOROSUN · 09-09-2008, 11:20 PM

footprint of a man? i wouldnt called it a man.
the earliest hominin was found around the miocene period by that time the big dinosaurs
were gone but, everything was still enormous.

what happen to the other homo sapiens and neanderthals or other homo genus?

why we survived and they didn't...
the ice age
better tools
better communitcation
luck
alien intervention

anyways, i always picture god as a mass of energy like when bender (futurama) was lost in space accidently met with god.

Matej · 09-09-2008, 11:28 PM

What are you talking about? We evolved from them, at least from certain species.
Yes, some species of pre-historic "humans" did not survive, because they couldn't adapt. Just like there are endangered species of animals today.
There wasn't just one ice age, it's a cycle the Earth goes through. We live in a warm period. There will be more ice ages.

"When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all."

Best quote from that show.

Edit
I believe I've misread your post, nevermind.

luftrofl · 09-09-2008, 11:35 PM

IMO Religion is just an early form of science. It's a way of explaining everything in the world.

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Originally Posted by BustedS13

god isn't real. it's just a crutch people use to deal with mortality. the end.

While not the case for everybody, I do find this to be the case for an alarming number of people.

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Originally Posted by DrtyRat

People say God isn't real because they want to justify their immoral lifestyle. they don't want to deal with the fact that they will be held accountable.

Wow, that's not closed minded at all/sarcasm. Surely, you can't be serious.

BOROSUN · 09-09-2008, 11:45 PM

so would you call chimps a man too?

nvm

Matej · 09-09-2008, 11:50 PM

Who, me?
No, chimps are chimps. Man is a male human.

SexPanda · 09-09-2008, 11:56 PM

no i call them delicious. i believe that if your a good person regardless of your religion you'll ascend to a higher level of existance.

BustedS13 · 09-09-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by luftrofl

Wow, that's not closed minded at all/sarcasm. Surely, you can't be serious.

he is serious. and don't call him Shirley. cross dressing is a one way ticket to hell.

Baka Sama · 09-10-2008, 12:52 AM

I have to give it to him... Satan has done a great job of misleading people. Whether its from belief that there is no God, false teachings that youre gonna burn forever in "Hell" if you dont give 10% of your money to some preacher, or in false religion that confuses people so much they just dont care anymore. There are so many blatant lies going around it really just makes me sick of people.

A lady at my job is convinced that some people in alaska or whatever were drilling for oil and hit a cavern. She says they put a microphone down to record vibrations and heared the "sounds of screaming". They recorded it and put it on the internet. As I listened to this "sounds of hell" clip off Godtube she was showing me, I couldnt help but bust out laughnig. I could just picture some idiot at home making the whole thing up to scare people into going to his church. I feel so sorry for people who are so easily decieved.

The ultimate price anyone can pay for their sins is death. I hope in death we all can find the truth we are searching for and the truth in which I believe I already have found.

WERDdabuilder · 09-12-2008, 09:56 PM

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Science vs. God

'Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ.' The atheist
professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new
students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'

'Yes sir,' the student says.

'So you believe in God?'

'Absolutely.'

'Is God good?'

'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

'Yes.'

'Are you good or evil?'

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment.

'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can
cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good...!'

'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could.
Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does
he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to
Jesus to heal him How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent.

'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a
glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

'Let's start again, young fella Is God good?'

'Er.yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'

The student : 'From...God...'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in
this world?'

'Yes, sir.'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'

'Yes.'

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything,
then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle
that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'

Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues: 'Is there
sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they
exist in this world?'

The student: 'Yes.'

'So who created them?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question.
'Who created them? There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks
away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.

'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus
Christ, son?'

The student's voice is confident: 'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to
identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him'

'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'

'No, sir, I have not.'

'Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelled your
Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for
that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

'Yet you still believe in him?'

'Yes.'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has
with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of his
own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'

'Yes,' the professor replies. 'There's heat.'

'And is there such a thing as cold?'

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'

'No sir, there isn't.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room
suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.

'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited
heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything
called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat,
but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold;
otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every
body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and
heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero
(-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we
use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can
measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of
heat, sir, just the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding
like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it isn't
darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called
darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In
reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness
darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a
good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start
with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you
explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains. 'You
argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God.
You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and
magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To
view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death
cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just
the absence of it.'

'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a
monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes,
of course I do'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where
the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot
even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching
your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has
subsided.

'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me
give you an example of what I mean.'

The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has
ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter.

'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the
professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain? No one appears
to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical,
stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all
due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust
your lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face
unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. 'I guess you'll
have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,'
the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'

Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it
everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in
the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does
not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like
darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of
God.

God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does
not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when
there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'

The professor sat down.

saw this and laughed.

Rayne · 09-13-2008, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SW20Racer

there is a riverbed with fossilized footprints of man and dinosaur interweaving.
the bible also makes mention of "terrible lizards"

if anything, i'd like to believe if there is a supreme being, he had less to do with it than going "here is this, there is that" maybe he just got the ball rolling ya know, and things have ended up here.

SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE MUST REMEMBER IS THAT MAN WROTE THE BIBLE. WHY DO YOU THINK ITS CALLED "THE KING JAMES VERSION"? BECAUSE KING JAMES TOOK OUT THE STUFF HE DIDNT LIKE AND PUT IN THE THINGS HE DID. EVEN THE ORIGINALS HAVE MASSIVE VARIATIONS IN STORIES WRITTEN BY TWO PEOPLE AT THE SAME EVENT.

googe "marijuana in the bible" and see whats up. green is supposed to be a holy sacrament.

google "the book of thomas"

look for the book called "when science fails" and see the most religion distorted publication to come out in recent history.

the ideals of religion are nice. what isnnt so nice is what the majority of religions turn their followers into.

"more men have been killed in the name of God than any other reason" -George Carlin

The river bed you are referring to is located in Glen Rose, Texas. Which is about a hour and ten minutes South West of Fort Worth, Texas.

Agent240sx · 09-13-2008, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by downshift_sideways

Why was the bible written by man?

Man has so many flaws?

^ See now heres a true question you should be asking.

I do believe in a greater being, if you look into all of the major religions the CORE messages are exactly the same, how to live and treat one another etc... The "golden" rule is in almost EVERY major religion yet worded differently (look it up). IT was MAN that distorted the message and teachings and wrote it, rewrote it in his own wording and interpretation, and i'm speaking all on religions and ancient texts and not just refering to the bible etc. If you ever look into religions objectively, cut out all the bs that MAN added and all the fantasy mumbo jumbo you will come to see that at the core they are mostly the same message.

To me we all are connected to one universal being wether race/nationality etc however it is man's version and teachings that has divided everything. Thus you will see the "My version is right, yours is wrong" mentality when it comes to the history of religion and to this day people still carry that mentality.

I have 5 different religions (muslim, buddhist, taoist, christianity and mormon) in my family and I've litterally grew up and experienced all of the above.

My 2cents when it comes to religion.

DrtyRat · 09-13-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by luftrofl

Wow, that's not closed minded at all/sarcasm. Surely, you can't be serious.

Is it anymore closed minded than saying that God doesn't exist? Am I being anymore offensive to those who say there's no God, with my words, than they are to those who believe there is.
If you guys want to research, you'll find that science is actually beginning to point to the existence of a "Supreme Being". This mostly refers to the "big bang theory". Scientist believe that the earth/universe had a starting point, and from all indications, it was created instantaneously. At one point it didn't exist, and then it did. We all know that something can't be created from nothing, right? No one can take nothing and make something, science has proven this. So the only logical explanation is that it was created, and the "Supreme being" is the only alternative, realistically, that exist.

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Originally Posted by BustedS13

he is serious. and don't call him Shirley. cross dressing is a one way ticket to hell.

Funniest post in this thread.

Look, the bottom line is I believe what I believe and others believe what they believe. I'm not trying to be "preachy" about this and tell you guys how bad you are, I am simply stating what I believe. I can't emphasize enough that I am NO ONE to tell you that you are "bad" because all I would have to do is go look back on my life and have myself, instantly, humbled. I have been a Christian for 28yrs, and have, maybe, been living like one for 5 of those
years. I sinned then, and I continue to do it today because I'm human. I haven't, intentionally, said a curse word in over 3yrs, which means absolutely squat. I know plenty of non-Christians who don't curse, but that doesn't mean they are going to Heaven. Your/My good works will not get you/me into Heaven.
....discussion continues....

98s14inaz · 09-13-2008, 08:59 AM

We are all dying right now...slowly. I believe when they ate the forbidden fruit they began dying. Every generation of man since then has had a shorter life span.

98s14inaz · 09-13-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Matej

If Adam and Eve were the first humans, does that make us all inbreds? Isn't inbreeding a sin?

Not really. It's more like masterbating because Eve is part of us

98s14inaz · 09-13-2008, 09:04 AM

Maybe I am a heretic but if God is all knowing, all powerful, and the very essence of good...how could he/she create anything that could be or even become evil? Do you think he/she was bored and said, "I'm going to create some drama to entertain myself"?

The ROMAN · 09-13-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 98s14inaz

Maybe I am a heretic but if God is all knowing, all powerful, and the very essence of good...how could he/she create anything that could be or even become evil? Do you think he/she was bored and said, "I'm going to create some drama to entertain myself"?

That's one of the problems with Gods existence as a "watchmaker". If he created the universe and the heavens, he made mistakes-->so he is not perfect--> he is not god. Or if you believe in God maybe you could say the universe is like the matrix in that a degree of imperfection was required.

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Originally Posted by 98s14inaz

We are all dying right now...slowly. I believe when they ate the forbidden fruit they began dying. Every generation of man since then has had a shorter life span.

Every generation of man has a longer lifespan unless you are going backwards in time. Eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge meant man "consumed" knowledge, so it's like knowledge and free will was the path away from God. You can also think of it as a metaphor for the modern age, where knowledge and science rules (as opposed to the dark ages, where dogma ruled) What you say reminds me of something I heard once, though. At a certain point, maybe around age 25, the body transitions into a decaying state from a growing one. But that's just life...

09-09-2008, 06:38 PM	#66
SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, we all have souls made up of things called thetans. These thetans have existed for trillions of years. The once belonged to aliens, but the evil Xenu, leader of the Galactic Confederacy brought the aliens to Earth on spacecraft that resembled Douglas DC8 aircraft. The aliens were stacked around volcanos, and blown up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls now live inside us and cause all of our bad feelings, like anger, jealousy, sadness, etc. __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

09-09-2008, 10:41 PM	#72
C. Senor Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: cali Posts: 3,488 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	although religion is a very much debated topic, and i have my own beliefs that i hold true. my response stating my view, is that every one has a different outlook on their religious status, much like we all have the same car (a 240), they are all different from each other even if only a minimal difference, as small as one different bolt. same thing with religion. we all believe something, even if it's not believing in anything. its still a belief. so no matter what our views, we all have some sort of "religion." __________________ Don't forget to tell your mom, she ran out of eggs this morning!

09-09-2008, 10:56 PM	#73
BustedS13 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Phoenix AZ Age: 36 Posts: 10,287 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	__________________

09-09-2008, 11:56 PM	#80
SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	no i call them delicious. i believe that if your a good person regardless of your religion you'll ascend to a higher level of existance. __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

09-13-2008, 08:59 AM	#87
98s14inaz Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nonya Posts: 1,367 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	We are all dying right now...slowly. I believe when they ate the forbidden fruit they began dying. Every generation of man since then has had a shorter life span. __________________ -Retired

09-09-2008, 06:23 PM	#64
shishcabobers Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: temecula Posts: 900 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I'm just curious how many of you guys have actually took the time to learn your own religion or other religions? Instead of actually just reading or hearing certain things. I mean I bet you there are some of you out there that have a whack perception of a certain religion, but if you actually studied the religion maybe it would actually be a totally different thing from what you believed. For example, some people think that Catholics worship Mary and Statues, when it clearly states that in the 10 commandments thou shalt not have other Gods before me. But in actual reality Catholics are only venerating Mary and the Saints asking them for help, to remember them and use them as a role model. I mean look at a picture of your family or a loved one, now would you say that you are worshiping it? No you are only look at it for remembrance of the person.

09-09-2008, 07:37 PM	#69
shishcabobers Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: temecula Posts: 900 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	5 Proofs of God's existence by Thomas Aquinas Aquinas: Five Ways to Prove that God exists -- The Arguments

09-09-2008, 11:11 PM	#74
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Hahaha. That's exactly why religion is just a belief, and not knowledge. Actually I think it's a very nice thing when someone truly is religious and really does live by the values and always makes an effort to be a good person. I admire those people. It just seems that a lot of "religious" people are in it for all the wrong reasons. They are religious because their parents told them they are. They defend their faith, yet many don't even bother to learn about the history of their own religion. They just blindly agree with their religious authority's interpretation of a faith that's supposed to be their own. These are the people who can do whatever they want, and then they have the luxury of going to confession and confessing all their sins, so they can gloat over me acting like they're a better person. I'd rather just not make bad decisions in the first place, and if I do regret doing something, I will admit my own guilt and live with it and learn from it.

09-09-2008, 11:20 PM	#75
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	footprint of a man? i wouldnt called it a man. the earliest hominin was found around the miocene period by that time the big dinosaurs were gone but, everything was still enormous. what happen to the other homo sapiens and neanderthals or other homo genus? why we survived and they didn't... the ice age better tools better communitcation luck alien intervention anyways, i always picture god as a mass of energy like when bender (futurama) was lost in space accidently met with god.

09-09-2008, 11:28 PM	#76
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	What are you talking about? We evolved from them, at least from certain species. Yes, some species of pre-historic "humans" did not survive, because they couldn't adapt. Just like there are endangered species of animals today. There wasn't just one ice age, it's a cycle the Earth goes through. We live in a warm period. There will be more ice ages. "When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all." Best quote from that show. Edit I believe I've misread your post, nevermind.

09-09-2008, 11:45 PM	#78
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so would you call chimps a man too? nvm

09-09-2008, 11:50 PM	#79
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Who, me? No, chimps are chimps. Man is a male human.

09-10-2008, 12:52 AM	#82
Baka Sama Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Metro Atlanta Age: 37 Posts: 1,130 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have to give it to him... Satan has done a great job of misleading people. Whether its from belief that there is no God, false teachings that youre gonna burn forever in "Hell" if you dont give 10% of your money to some preacher, or in false religion that confuses people so much they just dont care anymore. There are so many blatant lies going around it really just makes me sick of people. A lady at my job is convinced that some people in alaska or whatever were drilling for oil and hit a cavern. She says they put a microphone down to record vibrations and heared the "sounds of screaming". They recorded it and put it on the internet. As I listened to this "sounds of hell" clip off Godtube she was showing me, I couldnt help but bust out laughnig. I could just picture some idiot at home making the whole thing up to scare people into going to his church. I feel so sorry for people who are so easily decieved. The ultimate price anyone can pay for their sins is death. I hope in death we all can find the truth we are searching for and the truth in which I believe I already have found.

09-13-2008, 09:04 AM	#89
98s14inaz Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nonya Posts: 1,367 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Maybe I am a heretic but if God is all knowing, all powerful, and the very essence of good...how could he/she create anything that could be or even become evil? Do you think he/she was bored and said, "I'm going to create some drama to entertain myself"? __________________ -Retired

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