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What you guys think?

Chevy Volt To Get 230 MPG City Fuel Economy Rating - chevy volt - Gizmodo

BustedS13

yeah, but it doesn't do that on its own. you have to plug it in. so, 230mpg plus added cost on your home power bill.

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exitspeed

That's explained here:

So either way, it's awesome.

According to the guys working on the Nissan Leaf EV the Leaf will get 367.

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FRpilot

sounds like it is like 90% electric, and 10% gas. so it's not that astonishing.

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exitspeed

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Do you know of another production vehicle currently on the market that can achieve numbers like that? Gas, Hybrid, Desiel, etc etc? The answer is no, because there isn't.

And unlike cars like the Prius and Insight this car will a deliver sports sedan ride.

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Dutchmalmiss

Hey Mel you quoted the Leaf having 367mpg with no tailpipe. What is it running off of besides power?

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Matej

Without the Chevrolet badge, I would think it is a Civic.

exitspeed

It's a zero emmissions Electric car ie no tailpipe.

Check it out.
Nissan Leaf Electric Car | Nissan USA Official Site

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VROOOM

it only gets 230mpg if you drive low miles everyday. the gas milegage goes down alot if you drive more than 40 mile a day. it runs 40 miles on electric power and then switches to gas. so if you drive 80 miles a day you wont get 230mpg.

its a good start but the way they figure out the MPG just doesnt sound right

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murda-c

who drives 80 miles a day anyway, lol

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VROOOM

i used to with my old job.


here is an explanation of how they measure the MPG, doesnt sound right that the mileage goes down the more you drive.




"When gasoline is providing the power, the Volt might get as much as 50 mpg.

But that mpg figure would not take into account that the car has already gone 40 miles with no gas at all.

So let's say the car is driven 50 miles in a day. For the first 40 miles, no gas is used and during the last 10 miles, 0.2 gallons are used. That's the equivalent of 250 miles per gallon. But, if the driver continues on to 80 miles, total fuel economy would drop to about 100 mpg. And if the driver goes 300 miles, the fuel economy would be a just 62.5 mpg."


http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/11/auto...ion=2009081108

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exitspeed

No kidding. My wife and I drive more then almost anyone I know and we put on like 300 miles a week. Which is like 42 miles a day.

Some weeks though we put on 500-600 miles. We also do a lot of 4 hour road trips.

I'd still be happy getting those numbers during a regular work week.

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FRpilot

i drive close to that. 34miles 1 way x 2 = 68. Add in little errands around the day for lunch/dinner, shopping, etc. and i'm pretty close.

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LongGrain

are you guys being serious? what is the difference, even if you cut your gas mileage IN HALF (unlikely) by driving 80 miles a day, thats still 115mpg.

its not like its going to drop to 15mpg if you exceed 40 miles. lets be real...

exitspeed

That's what I'm thinking. People are actin like they don't want their car to get 100mpg. And that they aren't impressed that this car under normal driving conditions gets 230mpg.

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VROOOM

look at the link i posted it says 80 miles would get you 100mpg. so you double the miles and you lose more than half theMPG. its still great but hardly 230mpg as advertised.

american consumers are going to buy the car thinking they will get 230mpg.
the cars now will get thier advertised MPG for a whole tank as long as you stay out of the gas. this car is mileage dependent which i think is goingthe wrong way about it. well at least its opposite of what the consumer is used to. its going to cause alot of confusion.

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murda-c

Are any of you confused?

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exitspeed

You are missing the point. If you drive it under the circumstances they mention, which is 40 miles, which is also what 80% of the country drives a day, you DO achieve those numbers.

It's not like they are being deceiving at all. It's the same as say a Corolla getting XXmpg under normal driving conditions. If you drive 115mpg though you won't get as good of gas mileage.

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aznpoopy

that's a fair concern, but it's a problem with chevy marketing (trying to make the car look as good as possible) and EPA standards (how to address a hybrid of a plug in and a standard hybrid)

simple solution. it's really just one number (plug in mode) for the first 40 miles, and then a second mpg number (electric motor on gas generator mode) for all the miles after. chevy could get its advertising points in too by jamming in an average mpg rating for 40, 60, 80 and 100 etc. miles before plug in.

the concept itself is awesome. give americans a plug in that corresponds to their average daily commute, so they get the gas savings of a plug in; but give it a gas motor too so it doesn't have super limited range like a real plug in would.

too bad it costs $40,000. 32.5k after tax credit. maybe i'll buy in when the 2nd or 3rd gen comes out.

VROOOM

im not confused, but im also a car enthusiast and these things interest me. the general public are not car enthusiasts and will see 230mpg and think well since my corolla gets 38mpg(all the time) and this car gets 230mpg. they will think it always gets 230mpg.


i think its a good idea. i just think GM is marketing the wrong way.

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S13Boosts

Toyota will FOR SURE have a come back after this!

exitspeed

Which is what a Camry Hybrid costs that only gets 33(city)/34(hwy) mpg.

Sooo lets see...

The average American can who commutes less then 40 per day can buy a Camry for $32k, and get 34mpg or for the same price they can get a Volt for the same price that gets 230mpg...

Again this being based off of what 80% of the countries commuting habits. Not 10%. Not 30%. Not 50 or 60%. 80% of the countries habits.

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OptionZero

Yawn.

Where's the hydrogen fuel cell shit that'll make "electric" cars a joke?

exitspeed

20 years off. See ya then.

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OptionZero

That's more of an indictment against the Camry Hybrid, which is a joke. Actually, all of those "hybrid" versions of regular cars are a joke. Sticking an electric motor in a regular car doesn't do jack - as a I understand it, the power-to-weight ratio of batteries/electric motors severely limits the actual gain from throwing in that electric power.

The Prius gets gaudy numbers because its relatively light compared to other cars of its size, it has good aero, the gas engine has no power, and it has tires with no grip at all. Strip away all that shit and get a "Regular" car and you get marginal improvements over the gas version (i.e. camry v. camry hybrid).


Take all this stupid safety and luxury out of cars, get the curb weight down, and train people to drive smarter.

OptionZero

Until then, I'll get a used civic for a couple grand to commute with, and then i can kill the planet with my 240 on the weekends.

exitspeed

Yeah the Camry hybrid does suck actually. Even compared to the Prius though, there's no comparison here under the same conditions.

The only car that is worth it's weight as a hybrid right now for me is the Fusion Hybrid. That thing actually performs like a sporty vehicle AND gets 43 mps in real world conditions.

It's an infrastructure thing with hydrogen more then anything. The technology is there. It's still expensive, but not as expensive as getting the infrastructure lined up.

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atutt

GM will kill it just like they did the EV-1...

Oil companies can't make any money on this crap... And they rule the world...

OptionZero

I've only given the hydrogen stuff a cursory glance (and seen that Top Gear ep on it), but it seems like a far more promising direction than "plug-in" garbage that simply shifts the oil-burning process from the engine to a power plant. I'm sure you get gains because a bigass power plant somewhere is more efficient than a gas engine you can fit into a car, but you're still using using fossil fuel. On the other hand, we aren't running out of hydrogen anytime soon.

Doesn't Honda already have some refueling stations in Socal already? If the only thing holding this shit back is the politics and initial start up costs, then it's quite sad.

I still don't think the entry price of new hybrid vehicles is "worth it" compared to getting a shitbox to bum around in (which not everyone is willing to do, admittedly) and there's the whole South Park thing where most Prius drivers are absolute tools.

BustedS13

or i could buy an '88 Caddy and $31,000 worth of fuel. hmm.

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