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DrtyRat · 09-09-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mystery_elmo

If you guys really wanna find out if all this is true or not, just die!!!

Then all your fake beliefs will come to and end!!

Who knows maybe it might be real?! NOT

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Originally Posted by downshift_sideways

Feel free to say whatever...
I love to hear different sides..
Please stay on topic..

If you lack the intelligence to be in this thread, leave. If your too lazy to post something that contributes to this thread, leave.

LongGrain · 09-09-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by downshift_sideways

Thank you for quoting me on something I knew. Hence my previous statement

Just wondering if anyone had any insights on Dinosaurs?

i watched a video of some reverend or something giving a speech. he said that dinosaurs being 65 million years old was impossible because the earth wasnt that old, the dinosaurs apparently roamed the earth just 2000 years ago, but they died in the flood.

TheWolf · 09-09-2008, 01:42 PM

Ya know. Most of these questions were answered by the pope in a series of talks from 1979 to 84. Pope jp2 basically gave a 1 hour lesson once a week for 5 years. Explained alot of this. It's called the Theology of the Body. Christopher West does a great guide for this book. I recommend it because the pope is long winded. If you want to understand why god created us, why we are the way we are, why we are to toil by the sweat of our brow, why we were cast out after eating from the tree of knowledge, why sex before marriage is bad, why priests are celibate, how your marriage reflects gods love and how you are a reflection of that, how you are a watchman over others. The book is the size of a phone book but is worth it.

To dumb it down a little.
Religion is just like 240's. You can be completely ignorant of the workings of your car. Never visit a forum. Always take your car to the dealer for service and by the end of 10 years of owning that car you'd swear nissans were the most expensive, most prone to break cars and you'd never want to own one ever although you never did any maintenance on it and always paid the most to have any work done. Now as you learn the inner workings of the car, things get cheaper and easier to do. Not as much of a hassle. Once you come to know all aspects of your car. It's easy to diagnose a problem and fix it. Same thing with religion and your life. The more you get to know your relationship with god. The easier it is to maintain it. The more you learn, the easier it is to erase sin from your life. The more fullfilling your marriage is. But most people are stuck at "noob" status. They don't want to click the search button to find an answer; they'd rather gripe about how hard it is to learn or how hard it is to find answers. I mean compare nico to zilvia. "Wahh my car bogs and gets 5mpg whats wrong?" Although it's tougher when it's life's problems. "My marriage is nothing but arguments.. what's wrong?" What I'm getting at though is there are several questions asked here but no one has begun to search for the answers yet I'm sure this isn't the first time you had that question. I bet everyone here has spent more time working on their car that working on their faith. Try and spend some time to understand god. I encourage everyone to search.

*downshift_sideways* · 09-09-2008, 01:48 PM

^hahahahahha.

Nice translation bawahahah

*revat619* · 09-09-2008, 02:01 PM

here's the thing, NOBODY knows anything FOR SURE. I'm a Christian and i understand that everybody has their own beliefs. I'm not here to Bible thump. My point is, as much as you want to make fun, you really dont know the truth either. No one does. You wont know anything FOR SURE until you're dead. So what makes your choice to not believe in God so much "better" than someone else's choice to believe?

I think what it boils down to is that people dont like the idea of something/someone being sovereign over them. It really isnt that hard to believe, but whatever.

Oh and for the record, scientific theories about the earth and its origins are full of holes as well. Dont believe me, look it up.

Altered_Image · 09-09-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DrtyRat

To "die" meant to be separated from God, and you are right about our battle on Earth. Man was given the gift of free choice. God didn't want us to choose Him because we had to, He wanted us to choose Him b/c we wanted to. Satan is constantly battling to keep us away from God, and nowadays he's succeeding.

Ding Ding Ding!!!!

*downshift_sideways* · 09-09-2008, 02:06 PM

^
His angels were also given free choice and free will, so they can experience real unconditional love.

SHIFT_*grind* · 09-09-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by revat619

here's the thing, NOBODY knows anything FOR SURE.

EXACTLY. So many people forget this, Christian, Atheist or whatever.

flclsteve · 09-09-2008, 02:10 PM

What do u guys think of the whole bible code predicting 9/11 and other events?

DrtyRat · 09-09-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWolf

Ya know. Most of these questions were answered by the pope in a series of talks from 1979 to 84. Pope jp2 basically gave a 1 hour lesson once a week for 5 years. Explained alot of this. It's called the Theology of the Body. Christopher West does a great guide for this book. I recommend it because the pope is long winded. If you want to understand why god created us, why we are the way we are, why we are to toil by the sweat of our brow, why we were cast out after eating from the tree of knowledge, why sex before marriage is bad, why priests are celibate, how your marriage reflects gods love and how you are a reflection of that, how you are a watchman over others. The book is the size of a phone book but is worth it.

To dumb it down a little.
Religion is just like 240's. You can be completely ignorant of the workings of your car. Never visit a forum. Always take your car to the dealer for service and by the end of 10 years of owning that car you'd swear nissans were the most expensive, most prone to break cars and you'd never want to own one ever although you never did any maintenance on it and always paid the most to have any work done. Now as you learn the inner workings of the car, things get cheaper and easier to do. Not as much of a hassle. Once you come to know all aspects of your car. It's easy to diagnose a problem and fix it. Same thing with religion and your life. The more you get to know your relationship with god. The easier it is to maintain it. The more you learn, the easier it is to erase sin from your life. The more fullfilling your marriage is. But most people are stuck at "noob" status. They don't want to click the search button to find an answer; they'd rather gripe about how hard it is to learn or how hard it is to find answers. I mean compare nico to zilvia. "Wahh my car bogs and gets 5mpg whats wrong?" Although it's tougher when it's life's problems. "My marriage is nothing but arguments.. what's wrong?" What I'm getting at though is there are several questions asked here but no one has begun to search for the answers yet I'm sure this isn't the first time you had that question. I bet everyone here has spent more time working on their car that working on their faith. Try and spend some time to understand god. I encourage everyone to search.

Epic post^^^^^^
That may also be one of the best analogies that I've ever heard.

jskateborders · 09-09-2008, 02:10 PM

The bible doesnt really specify animals by species in the book of genisis. also It states than man was created last...

aa87 · 09-09-2008, 02:13 PM

And man rib made woman.

aznpoopy · 09-09-2008, 02:13 PM

i believe in god - the christian god. i was not raised that way. dad is buddhist / mom is nothing. i was not converted although more than a few friends tried. i just came to believe in it for alot of reasons.

-prayers have always been answered
-when shit gets rough i always pray, even when i didn't believe
-i believe shit happens for a reason
-i feel awesome if i praise god
-i love to study history (esp roman history) and the chain of events leading from past to present is absolutely sick

simply put.
the story of all of us from past to present is too awesome / tragic / profound for it all to be just random bullshit.

and maybe i'm a bit schizo. i still believe in evolution. i don't believe the earth is 5000 years old. i don't know if the OT is literal history. i do believe in some parts of biblical prophecy. but it just leaves it open in the air. it doesn't make me question my faith.

if you're focusing on the small shit like whether the bible has dinosaurs in it or whatever, you're really missing the point. there's alot of weird/strange/bizarre things in the bible. lots of crazy shit leading to the development of modern christianity. even more so if you get into apocryphal books (excluded books). like the true story of the flood (nephilim and all that). book of enoch. jubilees. council of nicaea and canonization. etc. awesome stuff to read about, but at the end of the day it's something you gotta find in yourself. if you have to prove it to yourself with hard evidence then you've already missed the boat.

jskateborders · 09-09-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWolf

Ya know. Most of these questions were answered by the pope in a series of talks from 1979 to 84. Pope jp2 basically gave a 1 hour lesson once a week for 5 years. Explained alot of this. It's called the Theology of the Body. Christopher West does a great guide for this book. I recommend it because the pope is long winded. If you want to understand why god created us, why we are the way we are, why we are to toil by the sweat of our brow, why we were cast out after eating from the tree of knowledge, why sex before marriage is bad, why priests are celibate, how your marriage reflects gods love and how you are a reflection of that, how you are a watchman over others. The book is the size of a phone book but is worth it.

To dumb it down a little.
Religion is just like 240's. You can be completely ignorant of the workings of your car. Never visit a forum. Always take your car to the dealer for service and by the end of 10 years of owning that car you'd swear nissans were the most expensive, most prone to break cars and you'd never want to own one ever although you never did any maintenance on it and always paid the most to have any work done. Now as you learn the inner workings of the car, things get cheaper and easier to do. Not as much of a hassle. Once you come to know all aspects of your car. It's easy to diagnose a problem and fix it. Same thing with religion and your life. The more you get to know your relationship with god. The easier it is to maintain it. The more you learn, the easier it is to erase sin from your life. The more fullfilling your marriage is. But most people are stuck at "noob" status. They don't want to click the search button to find an answer; they'd rather gripe about how hard it is to learn or how hard it is to find answers. I mean compare nico to zilvia. "Wahh my car bogs and gets 5mpg whats wrong?" Although it's tougher when it's life's problems. "My marriage is nothing but arguments.. what's wrong?" What I'm getting at though is there are several questions asked here but no one has begun to search for the answers yet I'm sure this isn't the first time you had that question. I bet everyone here has spent more time working on their car that working on their faith. Try and spend some time to understand god. I encourage everyone to search.

I agree with this completely exept for "You can be completely ignorant of the workings of your car. Never visit a forum. Always take your car to the dealer for service and by the end of 10 years of owning that car you'd swear nissans were the most expensive, most prone to break cars and you'd never want to own one ever although you never did any maintenance on it and always paid the most to have any work done. Now as you learn the inner workings of the car, things get cheaper and easier to do. Not as much of a hassle. Once you come to know all aspects of your car."
I have never taken my car to a shop and done all the work myself, and I think that 240's are very prone to breaking and get very expensive. It creates a very harsh relationship between 240 and I. I think that if I had the money to throw her in the shop everytime something went wrong, our marriage would benifit. In some cases ignorance is bliss, in others, it just makes you seem ignant.

**Phlip** · 09-09-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWolf

Ya know. Most of these questions were answered by the pope in a series of talks from 1979 to 84. Pope jp2 basically gave a 1 hour lesson once a week for 5 years. Explained alot of this. It's called the Theology of the Body. Christopher West does a great guide for this book. I recommend it because the pope is long winded. If you want to understand why god created us, why we are the way we are, why we are to toil by the sweat of our brow, why we were cast out after eating from the tree of knowledge, why sex before marriage is bad, why priests are celibate, how your marriage reflects gods love and how you are a reflection of that, how you are a watchman over others. The book is the size of a phone book but is worth it.

To dumb it down a little.
Religion is just like 240's. You can be completely ignorant of the workings of your car. Never visit a forum. Always take your car to the dealer for service and by the end of 10 years of owning that car you'd swear nissans were the most expensive, most prone to break cars and you'd never want to own one ever although you never did any maintenance on it and always paid the most to have any work done. Now as you learn the inner workings of the car, things get cheaper and easier to do. Not as much of a hassle. Once you come to know all aspects of your car. It's easy to diagnose a problem and fix it. Same thing with religion and your life. The more you get to know your relationship with god. The easier it is to maintain it. The more you learn, the easier it is to erase sin from your life. The more fullfilling your marriage is. But most people are stuck at "noob" status. They don't want to click the search button to find an answer; they'd rather gripe about how hard it is to learn or how hard it is to find answers. I mean compare nico to zilvia. "Wahh my car bogs and gets 5mpg whats wrong?" Although it's tougher when it's life's problems. "My marriage is nothing but arguments.. what's wrong?" What I'm getting at though is there are several questions asked here but no one has begun to search for the answers yet I'm sure this isn't the first time you had that question. I bet everyone here has spent more time working on their car that working on their faith. Try and spend some time to understand god. I encourage everyone to search.

I don't think I have missed +rep more than RIGHT now to this point.

ESmorz · 09-09-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DrtyRat

People say God isn't real because they want to justify their immoral lifestyle. they don't want to deal with the fact that they will be held accountable.

I thought this thread was funny until here.

That's just a false statement. What about those little bum fuck tribes in Brazil. They don't know about God. They just keep on living. There is a reason every culture has their OWN god. Civilizations are derived by man and the men who have the power bring order about by instituting religion however they see fit.

DrtyRat · 09-09-2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ESmorz

I thought this thread was funny until here.

That's just a false statement. What about those little bum fuck tribes in Brazil. They don't know about God. They just keep on living.

There is a reason every culture has their OWN god. Civilizations are derived by man and the men who have the power bring order about by instituting religion however they see fit.

I'm sorry that my post didn't humor you. It wasn't intended to be funny. I can't count the times that I've heard/seen people use this mindset to do whatever they wanted. I'm not even referring to murder or the like. I'm talking about those who continue to justify their sinful lives by saying there is no God, or they use the excuse of religion(made by man) and it inconsistencies to do what they want, when they want. Look, I'm not even close to being innocent of these type of things in my life, sometimes I still suffer from them, the difference is that I've come to grips w/the fact that its wrong, and I'm trying everyday to be less like that.

Altered_Image · 09-09-2008, 02:31 PM

DrtyRat · 09-09-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Altered_Image

Hahaha...you got busted trying to steal(which is a sin) in the religious thread!

aznpoopy · 09-09-2008, 02:37 PM

its not everyone. its only the people who actually do believe in god but resent being judged or what not. usually these ppl are really hostile to the notion of god or the fact that you believe in god.

many people simply dont give any thought to religion or god and get along fine.

the argument that religion is a crutch for morality is weak for similar reasons. i know plenty of non-religious people who live relatively 'moral' lives. most atheists are no more or less moral than most christians. everyone's flawed in pretty similar ways. people don't need religion to constrain bad behavior. i never did. society and parenting takes care of most of that as it is.

SHIFT_*grind* · 09-09-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DrtyRat

I'm talking about those who continue to justify their sinful lives by saying there is no God, or they use the excuse of religion(made by man) and it inconsistencies to do what they want, when they want.

That's true, a lot of people do use that as an excuse. However, I don't think everyone needs religion, or the sense of a higher power looking down on them to make sure they don't misbehave, to have a moral compass and be compelled to follow it. Religion and spirituality can help, certainly.

What I can't stand is that some people think that being part of a religious organization, or having a set of spiritual beliefs, automatically makes them a better person. Who think that it somehow makes them more correct in their ways, and fixes all their infirmities for them. It's not a magic wand, it's a path, a set of guidelines that you have to follow, and that takes work.

Rick-95ZE · 09-09-2008, 02:40 PM

I have studied MANY different religions and I'm always brought back to the same conclusion..

Human beings have a very creative imagination, are arrogant, and have a constant flare for dramatics...I also believe that we would be a mess without religion, LOL! more so than we currently are..

I often find myself saying "I hope I'm wrong" because If I'm not.. The idea that we have no purpose and ther is no "higher power" is kinda

Although I have no CURRENT faith in any type of religion, I do believe in being a good person, and most people who know me personally are in disbelief when they hear my views on this topic..

I'm always in pursuit of the "purpose" of our existence and I'm open to any info.. I have many unanswered questions.

DrtyRat · 09-09-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by aznpoopy

its not everyone. its only the people who actually do believe in god but resent being judged or what not. usually these ppl are really hostile to the notion of god or the fact that you believe in god.

many people simply dont give any thought to religion or god and get along fine.

the argument that religion is a crutch for morality is weak for similar reasons. i know plenty of non-religious people who live relatively 'moral' lives. most atheists are no more or less moral than most christians. everyone's flawed in pretty similar ways. people don't need religion to constrain bad behavior. i never did. society and parenting takes care of most of that as it is.

I hope I didn't come across like I was trying to say that EVERYONEis like that. I know plenty of people who lead good lives, better than me, who aren't Christians. The problem arises when people assume that they are judged by God for their works, that living a good life, is just as good as being saved. This is not true. God help us all if we were only judged by our good works, because not one of us would go to Heaven.

The ROMAN · 09-09-2008, 02:43 PM

A lot of what is in the bible was taken from earlier stories and fables, such as the epic of Gilgamesh. If you want to be floored, read some ancient Sumerian works while thinking how it compares to the bible. And remember, most of what one thinks of as Christian doctrine was said by Paul years later, not Jesus.

Also you can find secret messages in any book if it is long enough.

Most academics really stopped believing in this stuff over 300 years ago. The modern understanding of the universe is one of a machine ruled by natural law, not teleology. Things like right and wrong, good and evil are subjective and man-made. They don't exist in nature. Sure, we can't know everything, the nature of God is something that cannot be known, but God and dogma are two different things. Philosophers discuss God to this day. But as for religion, if you look objectively at religious works as historical documents, rather than the word of God (as was done during the enlightenment), it's hard to see them as anything other than inventions of man in a time when he didn't understand things like the rising of the sun, thunderstorms, etc.

*revat619* · 09-09-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SHIFT_*grind*

That's true, a lot of people do use that as an excuse. However, I don't think everyone needs religion, or the sense of a higher power looking down on them to make sure they don't misbehave, to have a moral compass and be compelled to follow it. Religion and spirituality do help, certainly.

True, but atleast in the case of Christianity, that isnt the point. Yes, you're supposed to live a certain way, but the point of Christianity isn't just for the sake of keeping you well behaved. Like you said, people don't need a higher power looking down on them to make them behave. That just comes with good parenting and good morals. Christianity has a whole deeper meaning and purpose. Unfortunately, its been so botched up by society and its politics that most people dont even know anymore. And now it has a very negative and elitist connotation. Christianity was NEVER meant to be this way.

Whats even more sad, is that the way its supposed to truly be is actually IN the Bible, but people have twisted its meaning soooo much over the years, its sickening.

aznpoopy · 09-09-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DrtyRat

I hope I didn't come across like I was trying to say that EVERYONEis like that.

not at all

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Originally Posted by drtyrat

The problem arises when people assume that they are judged by God for their works, that living a good life, is just as good as being saved. This is not true. God help us all if we were only judged by our good works, because not one of us would go to Heaven.

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Originally Posted by shiftgrind

What I can't stand is that some people think that being part of a religious organization, or having a set of spiritual beliefs, automatically makes them a better person.

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judgmental christians piss me off

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And now it has a very negative and elitist connotation. Christianity was NEVER meant to be this way.

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just like the elitism of the priests of the 2nd temple

ESmorz · 09-09-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DrtyRat

I'm sorry that my post didn't humor you. It wasn't intended to be funny. I can't count the times that I've heard/seen people use this mindset to do whatever they wanted. I'm not even referring to murder or the like. I'm talking about those who continue to justify their sinful lives by saying there is no God, or they use the excuse of religion(made by man) and it inconsistencies to do what they want, when they want. Look, I'm not even close to being innocent of these type of things in my life, sometimes I still suffer from them, the difference is that I've come to grips w/the fact that its wrong, and I'm trying everyday to be less like that.

Alright.

Basically, you can believe what you like. I don't care if you're Christian, Buddhist, Bum Fuck Brazilian tribe religion, Gay, Straight, Transgender. I really honestly don't care what you are doing with your life as long as you aren't hurting other people.

My main problem with all walks of religious people is how fucking close minded so many of them are. It's almost never a debate but they just sit there the whole time thinking they know the truth and there is no reason even talking to them. Although how is it every religion seems to know the truth? hmmm...

To say that just because I don't believe in a certain religion is justifying my "sinful" ways is something I take offense to. There is no possible way to KNOW that Christianity is the "right" religion. Yes I know there are personal testimonies that Jesus has touched their lives and they have a book to read, however I could just as easily say if I slap my balls on your forehead you wont have a headache anymore and have some friends write a book about me and in 2,000 years have the same vague validity.

Your argument can go both ways you say I defy religion to live as a sinner, but I could just as easily say you use religion as a crutch to find some sort of meaning in this life because it's the easy way out.

Rick-95ZE · 09-09-2008, 03:35 PM

"WHAT ARE HUMAN BEINGS

*shrug*

Rayne · 09-09-2008, 05:51 PM

Here is a thought for anyone willing to think about it.

"Everything we see is not what it is now, but what is was."

murda-c · 09-09-2008, 06:04 PM

Only god could love you enough to send you to hell for eternity for a lifetime's worth of sinning.

09-09-2008, 01:42 PM	#33
TheWolf Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange Park, FL (Jax) Posts: 1,468 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ya know. Most of these questions were answered by the pope in a series of talks from 1979 to 84. Pope jp2 basically gave a 1 hour lesson once a week for 5 years. Explained alot of this. It's called the Theology of the Body. Christopher West does a great guide for this book. I recommend it because the pope is long winded. If you want to understand why god created us, why we are the way we are, why we are to toil by the sweat of our brow, why we were cast out after eating from the tree of knowledge, why sex before marriage is bad, why priests are celibate, how your marriage reflects gods love and how you are a reflection of that, how you are a watchman over others. The book is the size of a phone book but is worth it. To dumb it down a little. Religion is just like 240's. You can be completely ignorant of the workings of your car. Never visit a forum. Always take your car to the dealer for service and by the end of 10 years of owning that car you'd swear nissans were the most expensive, most prone to break cars and you'd never want to own one ever although you never did any maintenance on it and always paid the most to have any work done. Now as you learn the inner workings of the car, things get cheaper and easier to do. Not as much of a hassle. Once you come to know all aspects of your car. It's easy to diagnose a problem and fix it. Same thing with religion and your life. The more you get to know your relationship with god. The easier it is to maintain it. The more you learn, the easier it is to erase sin from your life. The more fullfilling your marriage is. But most people are stuck at "noob" status. They don't want to click the search button to find an answer; they'd rather gripe about how hard it is to learn or how hard it is to find answers. I mean compare nico to zilvia. "Wahh my car bogs and gets 5mpg whats wrong?" Although it's tougher when it's life's problems. "My marriage is nothing but arguments.. what's wrong?" What I'm getting at though is there are several questions asked here but no one has begun to search for the answers yet I'm sure this isn't the first time you had that question. I bet everyone here has spent more time working on their car that working on their faith. Try and spend some time to understand god. I encourage everyone to search. __________________ Eye on the Prize

09-09-2008, 01:48 PM	#34
downshift_sideways No Limit Soldier. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hayward CA, San Gabriel CA Age: 34 Posts: 5,550 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: downshift_sideways Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^hahahahahha. Nice translation bawahahah __________________ allntrlundrgrnd: "you never really appreciate your parents fridge until you look into your own and its full of condiments only"

09-09-2008, 02:01 PM	#35
revat619 Retired General Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,672 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	here's the thing, NOBODY knows anything FOR SURE. I'm a Christian and i understand that everybody has their own beliefs. I'm not here to Bible thump. My point is, as much as you want to make fun, you really dont know the truth either. No one does. You wont know anything FOR SURE until you're dead. So what makes your choice to not believe in God so much "better" than someone else's choice to believe? I think what it boils down to is that people dont like the idea of something/someone being sovereign over them. It really isnt that hard to believe, but whatever. Oh and for the record, scientific theories about the earth and its origins are full of holes as well. Dont believe me, look it up. __________________ www.Jspec.com www.SpeedAlliance.com www.PoweredByMax.net Instagram: @rjsladerade

09-09-2008, 02:06 PM	#37
downshift_sideways No Limit Soldier. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hayward CA, San Gabriel CA Age: 34 Posts: 5,550 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: downshift_sideways Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ His angels were also given free choice and free will, so they can experience real unconditional love. __________________ allntrlundrgrnd: "you never really appreciate your parents fridge until you look into your own and its full of condiments only"

09-09-2008, 02:10 PM	#39
flclsteve Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Irvine Age: 32 Posts: 538 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	What do u guys think of the whole bible code predicting 9/11 and other events? __________________

09-09-2008, 02:10 PM	#41
jskateborders Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tucson AZ Age: 32 Posts: 1,258 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	The bible doesnt really specify animals by species in the book of genisis. also It states than man was created last... __________________ "I am Norwegian, and are not familiar with your urban words :P"

09-09-2008, 02:13 PM	#42
aa87 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Shreveport, LA Age: 33 Posts: 1,116 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	And man rib made woman. __________________ Hookers and blow.

09-09-2008, 02:13 PM	#43
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 40 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	i believe in god - the christian god. i was not raised that way. dad is buddhist / mom is nothing. i was not converted although more than a few friends tried. i just came to believe in it for alot of reasons. -prayers have always been answered -when shit gets rough i always pray, even when i didn't believe -i believe shit happens for a reason -i feel awesome if i praise god -i love to study history (esp roman history) and the chain of events leading from past to present is absolutely sick simply put. the story of all of us from past to present is too awesome / tragic / profound for it all to be just random bullshit. and maybe i'm a bit schizo. i still believe in evolution. i don't believe the earth is 5000 years old. i don't know if the OT is literal history. i do believe in some parts of biblical prophecy. but it just leaves it open in the air. it doesn't make me question my faith. if you're focusing on the small shit like whether the bible has dinosaurs in it or whatever, you're really missing the point. there's alot of weird/strange/bizarre things in the bible. lots of crazy shit leading to the development of modern christianity. even more so if you get into apocryphal books (excluded books). like the true story of the flood (nephilim and all that). book of enoch. jubilees. council of nicaea and canonization. etc. awesome stuff to read about, but at the end of the day it's something you gotta find in yourself. if you have to prove it to yourself with hard evidence then you've already missed the boat.

09-09-2008, 02:31 PM	#48
Altered_Image Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 1,009 Trader Rating: (27) Rides Gallery: Altered_Image Feedback Score: 27 reviews

09-09-2008, 02:37 PM	#50
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 40 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	its not everyone. its only the people who actually do believe in god but resent being judged or what not. usually these ppl are really hostile to the notion of god or the fact that you believe in god. many people simply dont give any thought to religion or god and get along fine. the argument that religion is a crutch for morality is weak for similar reasons. i know plenty of non-religious people who live relatively 'moral' lives. most atheists are no more or less moral than most christians. everyone's flawed in pretty similar ways. people don't need religion to constrain bad behavior. i never did. society and parenting takes care of most of that as it is.

09-09-2008, 02:43 PM	#54
The ROMAN Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NJ Age: 38 Posts: 730 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	A lot of what is in the bible was taken from earlier stories and fables, such as the epic of Gilgamesh. If you want to be floored, read some ancient Sumerian works while thinking how it compares to the bible. And remember, most of what one thinks of as Christian doctrine was said by Paul years later, not Jesus. Also you can find secret messages in any book if it is long enough. Most academics really stopped believing in this stuff over 300 years ago. The modern understanding of the universe is one of a machine ruled by natural law, not teleology. Things like right and wrong, good and evil are subjective and man-made. They don't exist in nature. Sure, we can't know everything, the nature of God is something that cannot be known, but God and dogma are two different things. Philosophers discuss God to this day. But as for religion, if you look objectively at religious works as historical documents, rather than the word of God (as was done during the enlightenment), it's hard to see them as anything other than inventions of man in a time when he didn't understand things like the rising of the sun, thunderstorms, etc.

09-09-2008, 05:51 PM	#59
Rayne Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth Posts: 676 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Rayne Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Here is a thought for anyone willing to think about it. "Everything we see is not what it is now, but what is was." __________________ Do need the Factory Service Manual? Click here.

09-09-2008, 06:04 PM	#60
murda-c Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montgomery County, MD Age: 33 Posts: 3,197 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Only god could love you enough to send you to hell for eternity for a lifetime's worth of sinning. __________________

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