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tacobellman_2007 · 09-19-2013, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innovation

T.L.D.R?

Actually I read a bit of it, I just found it somewhat hard to follow. The O.P. needs to take some English composition classes.

Anyways, I wasn't expecting this many replies, hot damn! lmao @ what I have started...honestly, after reading most of the posts regarding the topic, I believe I've misjudged these business schemes/MLMs/NMs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatchtastic

Alright OP im going to try to keep this as simple as i possibly can and explain to you what is real. I think you judgment is just misguided because of your lack of knowledge as well as, from what it sounds like, attending a presentation where the presenter has a lot to work to do on himself.

With that being said Network marketing is one of the best industry's to be in, especially these days. Everything now is performances based meaning, you either preform or you get canned. This industry is no different from that except you just don't earn a paycheck. It is also not about selling a product. Somewhere along the line in the mid 90's people forgot that. The job of a distributor is simply to collect a decision by providing enough information about the company, the product(s) and the compensation plan for people to do so. These companies have been trying to re-invent the wheel and in turn completely left out the basics. Instead of giving people the necessary information that they need to make an educated decision all they are doing is trying to hype people up and get people to join off of emotion rather than knowledge.

In order to build a large organization you have to have a process that your average Joe can duplicate. If you don't your business as an individual will fail very quickly. The majority of presentations are not done in this way, especially the one that you described. What ends up happening with that is in order for you do be successful at all you would continuously have to sponsor people, and you will end up with a bunch of people that are not active or dropped out like you did before because they cannot duplicate the process.

What I'm getting at is there are ways for virtually anyone to be be successful in network marketing, you just have to get involved with the right people that can teach you the right things to do.

I honestly could go on into further detail a lot longer than i care to admit lol. I hope i at least changed your view on things even slightly and if you have any questions i would be happy to answer them. good luck

What hatchtastic mentioned about either performing or getting canned is right. Both of Vemma's and Zurvita's members seemed to act as if they no longer cared about you once you show that you are not interested anymore. The man I dealt with in Zurvita sounded disappointed after I told him I was losing interest, and once I told the girl at Vemma that I really was not interested anymore because of dealing with this type of thing before, she was no longer that super happy and positive person that she was in the beginning of the meeting when she was sharing her story, trying to inspire everyone in the room who was new...which is kind of what pissed me off, I just realized. Just how fake they were acting deterred me even more from joining the business. And I guess that led me to coming here and posting a long story/rant about it.

There are definitely divided sides on this topic, as indicated by everyone's posts on this thread. I really think it all comes down to how dedicated you are, how much risk you want to take, and how much you like to try to persuade and fake people out without hesitation, all for "easy" money. I'm not that kind of person. I don't want to tell white lies and take advantage of people just for the sake of making money. I also think it's a bit risky for me, seeing that I come from a poor family but was lucky enough to qualify for a large scholarship at my university. I don't want to start focusing on business and get thrown off of the good course I am already on. I'm aiming for a degree in mechanical engineering, I have reached Junior level even though I am in my second year of college - thank you, AP classes

- and I basically have a full ride scholarship here. Oh, and I don't want to turn friends into enemies. Consistently trying to recruit people you know and then failing at that just lands you in a hole.

On the other hand, if I had nothing to lose, no scholarship, not many friends, etc., why NOT give this a try?

Also, what jesse_s13 said, "For most college/hard work is the key to SUCCESS." I totally agree with. That's what I live by.

I'm loving all the arguments on this thread lol. Quite entertaining but also interesting and filled with valid points.

And if you are going to post something that doesn't even relate to the topic of this thread (i.e. Innovation's post), just leave the thread, go to a porn site, and waste your own time there.

collegekid · 09-22-2013, 08:46 PM

S14Db owning this thread right now haha

Quote:

Originally Posted by uraznfriend

if im working full time at my job I make a bit over $400 a week too. damn watch out zilvia xBandiTx and I are getting GTRs next summer!!

I work part time and make close to $400 a week, holy fuck I should be able to afford my GTR next summer!!!!! Oh my Godddddddddd We should start our own GTR club and have GTR meets and cruises and shit but only us 3 can be in it!!!!!!!!!!!!

----- DETAILED ACCOUNT OF 2 DIFFERENT COMPANIES TRYING TO ENLIST ME BELOW

I was also contacted several times by Vector marketing here in PA. It's hilarious to see how they send you a professional looking paper boasting about $18.10 (printed in like 96 font) and then in super small print next to it says per base appt (appointment?)

I still remember going there all dressed up back at my super naive age of 18 and seeing all these crackheads and whatnot.

They wanted me to sell hunting knives that were nothing special and they made it seem like that shit had a unicorn detector installed. I was supposed to buy or rent (both expensive options) a set of knives to demonstrate to customers (aka my friends and shit). What an epic waste of 2 hours. I did not have any kind of employment with them because I knew this was way too fishy.

Another similar scheme was with one of the natural gas companies. They wanted me to go around and get everyone to sign up with the SOOPAHDOOPAH CH3AP ALL SHINY NATURAL GAS and get my neighbors signed up in those contracts that would eventually skyrocket in rates. There was this older Asian couple that asked 1 million questions and the main guy started fumbling his answers and revealed the scheme. I started to leave and the guy tried to stop me. I said I needed a real job and this kind of stuff isn't for me. He suddenly flipped his attitude and went back to focusing on other people even though they all heard what I said.

-------- END OF THE STORIES

I do want to resurface a few things again though

1. Notice how they do not really care to talk with you as soon as you say you are not interested. Even scummy used car dealers and telemarketers still try to talk to you but the "schemers" just flip like a light switch. I am not talking about the people that say "NO!" like they were the great wall of China or something but even if you had a 0.05% doubt in your mind they still run back to the rest of the crowd and try to keep the "emotional success guarenteed, the ONLY way you can get fired is if you don't care about it" (while you are super hyped up in this emotional marathon and you feel like this company has suddenly become your life.

2. Super professional power-points but the headquarters is a rented out warehouse?

3. You can see it in their eyes. The Desperation. The " I wish I just paid more attention in school" glistening/ Half tear in their eye sockets. My favorite is right before they start their presentation. It's right in between the moment that the last person walks in/ the schemer check the time and when they first bring up the powerpoint/ do the little hand clap to start it off. It's the face that says, "I'm sorry to do this to you fuckers but I'm out of options in my life. Lord forgive me. "

The only thing I really feel bad about is not knowing which set of people is the legitimate group and which is the straight up scam. This lack of knowledge might screw me by denying my part in the next Microsoft or I might get screwed by signing up with these weirdo fucks and wasting my time.

Edit

I decided to google search Vector marketing and as soon as I finished typing vector marketing, words like scam/ horrible/ scheme came up right after. It's like they knew LOL

http://www.knifeup.com/cutco-knives-...ing-is-a-scam/

Even if you type up "verve" on google the first suggestions says Verve energy drink scam.

tacobellman_2007 · 09-23-2013, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by collegekid

S14Db owning this thread right now haha

I work part time and make close to $400 a week, holy fuck I should be able to afford my GTR next summer!!!!! Oh my Godddddddddd We should start our own GTR club and have GTR meets and cruises and shit but only us 3 can be in it!!!!!!!!!!!!

----- DETAILED ACCOUNT OF 2 DIFFERENT COMPANIES TRYING TO ENLIST ME BELOW

I was also contacted several times by Vector marketing here in PA. It's hilarious to see how they send you a professional looking paper boasting about $18.10 (printed in like 96 font) and then in super small print next to it says per base appt (appointment?)

I still remember going there all dressed up back at my super naive age of 18 and seeing all these crackheads and whatnot.

They wanted me to sell hunting knives that were nothing special and they made it seem like that shit had a unicorn detector installed. I was supposed to buy or rent (both expensive options) a set of knives to demonstrate to customers (aka my friends and shit). What an epic waste of 2 hours. I did not have any kind of employment with them because I knew this was way too fishy.

Another similar scheme was with one of the natural gas companies. They wanted me to go around and get everyone to sign up with the SOOPAHDOOPAH CH3AP ALL SHINY NATURAL GAS and get my neighbors signed up in those contracts that would eventually skyrocket in rates. There was this older Asian couple that asked 1 million questions and the main guy started fumbling his answers and revealed the scheme. I started to leave and the guy tried to stop me. I said I needed a real job and this kind of stuff isn't for me. He suddenly flipped his attitude and went back to focusing on other people even though they all heard what I said.

-------- END OF THE STORIES

I do want to resurface a few things again though

1. Notice how they do not really care to talk with you as soon as you say you are not interested. Even scummy used car dealers and telemarketers still try to talk to you but the "schemers" just flip like a light switch. I am not talking about the people that say "NO!" like they were the great wall of China or something but even if you had a 0.05% doubt in your mind they still run back to the rest of the crowd and try to keep the "emotional success guarenteed, the ONLY way you can get fired is if you don't care about it" (while you are super hyped up in this emotional marathon and you feel like this company has suddenly become your life.

2. Super professional power-points but the headquarters is a rented out warehouse?

3. You can see it in their eyes. The Desperation. The " I wish I just paid more attention in school" glistening/ Half tear in their eye sockets. My favorite is right before they start their presentation. It's right in between the moment that the last person walks in/ the schemer check the time and when they first bring up the powerpoint/ do the little hand clap to start it off. It's the face that says, "I'm sorry to do this to you fuckers but I'm out of options in my life. Lord forgive me. "

The only thing I really feel bad about is not knowing which set of people is the legitimate group and which is the straight up scam. This lack of knowledge might screw me by denying my part in the next Microsoft or I might get screwed by signing up with these weirdo fucks and wasting my time.

Edit

I decided to google search Vector marketing and as soon as I finished typing vector marketing, words like scam/ horrible/ scheme came up right after. It's like they knew LOL

Review: Cutco Knives and Vector Marketing is a SCAM | KnifeUp

Even if you type up "verve" on google the first suggestions says Verve energy drink scam.

Lol. Dem GTRs

I'm sorry you had to go through such bulls**t. F**k those people. I'm really glad you brought up the situation of these arseholes losing interest in you when you start to have a hint of doubt and they no longer act like the super happy no-problems-in-life-whatsoever people they were 1 minute ago. So fake and so sh**y.

I love how the people at Verve were like "why would you work so hard, being told what to do, making a decent amount of engineering money, when you could do NOTHING and earn a six-figure income without anyone ever telling you what to do?? It's a no-brainer!" Yeah, no-brainer as in you people have no brains believing that you will be rich "doing nothing."

A**holes.

Hatemy7 · 09-23-2013, 11:35 AM

Sorry but that company is a scam... Regardless of what these guys think.

If they dont think that they are in a scam then they are brainwashed.

Also bragging about making $400 a week is not something to brag about. That is shitty money in my opinion. I make a lot more than that and yet ive never went to college... Just an fyi

Mikey213 · 09-24-2013, 04:51 AM

400$ a week, hahahahahahahah!!

SLiDe_WaYz · 09-24-2013, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hatemy7

Sorry but that company is a scam... Regardless of what these guys think.

If they dont think that they are in a scam then they are brainwashed.

Also bragging about making $400 a week is not something to brag about. That is shitty money in my opinion. I make a lot more than that and yet ive never went to college... Just an fyi

400 a week? How do you live off that. I make that a day and I still think I'm underpaid.

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collegekid · 09-24-2013, 07:03 AM

The whole argument about supplemental income is stupid in my opinion. Cool, you made an extra $400 a week. Why not ask your boss if they need anything else done. Focus on one job and be good at it instead of trying to have your finger in everything.

I'm full time in college and work part time to get close to $400 a week. I don't need to go around bragging to everyone that the company I work for is going to be the next multi-million corporation or that it was on MTV or some shit.

hobbs · 09-24-2013, 07:50 AM

This thread. Oh my.

I'll just leave this here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNPxHd46yVg

tacobellman_2007 · 09-24-2013, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hobbs

This thread. Oh my.

I'll just leave this here - Penn and Teller: Bullshit! 'Easy Money' - Pyramid schemes - YouTube

Penn & Teller: Bullshit! - Season 8 Episode 5 - Easy Money - YouTube

^^ Chaluska posted the full version earlier :P and I love the quote he said at the end "They're illegal!"

Talking to Verve/Zurvita/etc: "Oh ok, because you said that. that means you guys are DEFINITELY not a pyramid scheme

"

...yeah right...lmao.

hatchtastic · 09-24-2013, 11:51 PM

Ignorance leads to incompetence which then leads to negatively. How little all of the people ACTUALLY know about this industry is unbelievable to be making the accusations that they are.

jamg · 09-25-2013, 01:01 AM

lol... to the guy in the vemma stuff---- you realize every dollar you make from this whole vemma crap gets taxed too right?

the only thing you sell to suckers are hopes and dreams.

and the dumb college examples... oh i guess i dont need to go to college in order to become a doctor or a lawyer.

$400 bucks is poverty money. i can make that in a week, doing a solid 2 hours of work.
all i have to do is buy items from china and sell them on ebay. I have $20-50 dollar NET profit margins on the stuff I currently have up. reaching that goal, weekly, is easy. I must be on my way to buying a GTR.

the CEO of the company is already making his money buy selling you guys his overpriced drink at a 300-500% markup. He knows he can't compete with the big boys (coke, redbull, monster, pepsi), so it's easy to brainwash younger people into paying the $500 start-up fee, along with the monthly subscription of having drinks shipped to your door.

that stuff doesn't even taste good... i've had a can before.

sponsorships? it's called endorsements. it's all part of the marketing game. the turnover rate for the amount paid for them isn't that great. good luck getting someone like mark cuban to endorse it. there's a reason why you have teams like the bobcats and the suns. they are small market teams.

dudermagee · 09-25-2013, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatchtastic

Ignorance leads to incompetence which then leads to negatively. How little all of the people ACTUALLY know about this industry is unbelievable to be making the accusations that they are.

And then that leads to the darkside?

You'll figure it out when you're older.

Hatemy7 · 09-25-2013, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLiDe_WaYz

400 a week? How do you live off that. I make that a day and I still think I'm underpaid.

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I dont make $400 a week brotha lol.

I am a Mortgage broker.

def feel underpaid but with that being said I do have a pretty good life you know.

This guy was bragging about $400 a week. Fuck that ;p

Moncef · 09-25-2013, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by collegekid

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3. You can see it in their eyes. The Desperation. The " I wish I just paid more attention in school" glistening/ Half tear in their eye sockets. My favorite is right before they start their presentation. It's right in between the moment that the last person walks in/ the schemer check the time and when they first bring up the powerpoint/ do the little hand clap to start it off. It's the face that says, "I'm sorry to do this to you fuckers but I'm out of options in my life. Lord forgive me. "

This is the best part.

If you want to work for yourself you can really do it however you see fit. Some people will go to school/learn a trade/get a BS/MS/whatever and THEN start their own business or invest in something else.

MLM reps are trained to put that type of stuff in a negative life, saying "you're taking it easy for the next four years of college to work for the next 40 years of your life."

Realizing that investing in yourself in a market that is constantly changing is the first step to get anywhere. If you want to hustle hard and be objective about the business model of an MLM firm while slinging X product, then do you. But you can see through how paper thin the people who are just looking for a quick come up in this business are.

uraznfriend · 09-25-2013, 10:10 PM

watch xBandiTx and whoever else fell for these scams stop posting in here after they realize they got screw over

xilovelsdx · 10-31-2013, 06:16 PM

The reason these *SNIP* are so annoying is because the ONLY way for them to make money is to try to brainwash you into thinking they make money so they can make money off of you.

Oh and I hope anyone in any MLM company dies instantly. You are all fucking idiots and I do not care what information you have to provide.

YPR Pariah

/END Vemma.

Bobafreak · 11-07-2013, 05:07 PM

when i think of pyramid schemes, i think of this,
Not a pyramid scheme - YouTube

tacobellman_2007 · 11-07-2013, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobafreak

when i think of pyramid schemes, i think of this,
Not a pyramid scheme - YouTube

XD sums it all up. Wish I could post this somewhere for all Vemma people to see.

*kingkilburn* · 11-07-2013, 06:10 PM

Once in every generation a great pyramid aka "direct sales" scheme will be born.

Once in every generation fools will be had.

09-25-2013, 10:10 PM	#45
uraznfriend Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pacifica Posts: 403 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	watch xBandiTx and whoever else fell for these scams stop posting in here after they realize they got screw over __________________

10-31-2013, 06:16 PM	#46
xilovelsdx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Titusville, FL Age: 33 Posts: 376 Trader Rating: (6) Rides Gallery: xilovelsdx Feedback Score: 6 reviews	The reason these *SNIP* are so annoying is because the ONLY way for them to make money is to try to brainwash you into thinking they make money so they can make money off of you. Oh and I hope anyone in any MLM company dies instantly. You are all fucking idiots and I do not care what information you have to provide. YPR Pariah /END Vemma. __________________

11-07-2013, 05:07 PM	#47
Bobafreak Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 909 Posts: 2,207 Trader Rating: (17) Feedback Score: 17 reviews	when i think of pyramid schemes, i think of this, Not a pyramid scheme - YouTube __________________ *VIOLENT RUNNING TRIBE* "Love is god, hatin is satin!"

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kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Once in every generation a great pyramid aka "direct sales" scheme will be born. Once in every generation fools will be had. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

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09-23-2013, 11:35 AM	#34
Hatemy7 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chicago Il Age: 36 Posts: 1,367 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sorry but that company is a scam... Regardless of what these guys think. If they dont think that they are in a scam then they are brainwashed. Also bragging about making $400 a week is not something to brag about. That is shitty money in my opinion. I make a lot more than that and yet ive never went to college... Just an fyi

09-24-2013, 04:51 AM	#35
Mikey213 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Los Angeles Age: 35 Posts: 500 Trader Rating: (-1) Feedback Score: -1 reviews	400$ a week, hahahahahahahah!!

09-24-2013, 07:03 AM	#37
collegekid Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: In my house Age: 29 Posts: 755 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	The whole argument about supplemental income is stupid in my opinion. Cool, you made an extra $400 a week. Why not ask your boss if they need anything else done. Focus on one job and be good at it instead of trying to have your finger in everything. I'm full time in college and work part time to get close to $400 a week. I don't need to go around bragging to everyone that the company I work for is going to be the next multi-million corporation or that it was on MTV or some shit.

09-24-2013, 07:50 AM	#38
hobbs Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Under a rock Posts: 2,263 Trader Rating: (43) Feedback Score: 43 reviews	This thread. Oh my. I'll just leave this here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNPxHd46yVg

09-24-2013, 11:51 PM	#40
hatchtastic Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: phoenix az Age: 31 Posts: 281 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Ignorance leads to incompetence which then leads to negatively. How little all of the people ACTUALLY know about this industry is unbelievable to be making the accusations that they are.

09-25-2013, 01:01 AM	#41
jamg Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2009 Location: GA Posts: 2,106 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	lol... to the guy in the vemma stuff---- you realize every dollar you make from this whole vemma crap gets taxed too right? the only thing you sell to suckers are hopes and dreams. and the dumb college examples... oh i guess i dont need to go to college in order to become a doctor or a lawyer. $400 bucks is poverty money. i can make that in a week, doing a solid 2 hours of work. all i have to do is buy items from china and sell them on ebay. I have $20-50 dollar NET profit margins on the stuff I currently have up. reaching that goal, weekly, is easy. I must be on my way to buying a GTR. the CEO of the company is already making his money buy selling you guys his overpriced drink at a 300-500% markup. He knows he can't compete with the big boys (coke, redbull, monster, pepsi), so it's easy to brainwash younger people into paying the $500 start-up fee, along with the monthly subscription of having drinks shipped to your door. that stuff doesn't even taste good... i've had a can before. sponsorships? it's called endorsements. it's all part of the marketing game. the turnover rate for the amount paid for them isn't that great. good luck getting someone like mark cuban to endorse it. there's a reason why you have teams like the bobcats and the suns. they are small market teams.