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silverarrow27 · 08-11-2014, 07:08 PM

I'm no expert, but I'm sure many will agree with what I have to say. The gene pool has just gotten "smarter".

simmode1 · 08-11-2014, 07:40 PM

^^^Yep. Natural Selection at its finest.

Gnnr · 08-11-2014, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxide

So does anyone on here actually have Sprint car experience, hell dirt experience at all?

Well I do.... In fact I raced a sprint car Saturday....

First off, the ASCS is not the sanctioning body for sprintcar racing. It is a championship series, one of the many across the US.
- There are yellow flag systems in effect just as there are any other racing series... have you ever tried to slow down a 700hp 1200lb car in one lap? Im sure you haven't.... If you slam on the brakes you will stall... they are direct drive cars and need to be going atleast 35-40 in order to not stall out.

Second, you CANNOT see out of the right side of the car because of the way the side panel and seats are designed. You can see your right front, but past that you do not see....

We wont even discuss the fact the kid was in a black suit, black helmet, on a dark track....

Another point id like to raise
- Sprintcars have staggered tire setups.... if you let off the gas you will slide up the track, its inevitable going slow.. They pull and pull hard... If you hit the brakes, the ass end is going to slide up... In which case, the kid would've gotten smacked...
If you blip the throttle, the ass end will come around a bit, but it will suck you back down to the bottom of the track... which is what tony was doing....

The kid almost got ran over by the blue/white car as well....

I can keep going but I really don't think I need to.... Unless you actually have experience driving a dirt sprint car, you opinion is as INVALID as it gets because they are NOTHING like driving a passenger car, drift car, etc.

Thank you for that post. This gives me a lot of insight and goes inline with what I figured. BTW, who is the governing body for these races?

theronin · 08-11-2014, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxide

So does anyone on here actually have Sprint car experience, hell dirt experience at all?

Well I do.... In fact I raced a sprint car Saturday....

First off, the ASCS is not the sanctioning body for sprintcar racing. It is a championship series, one of the many across the US.
- There are yellow flag systems in effect just as there are any other racing series... have you ever tried to slow down a 700hp 1200lb car in one lap? Im sure you haven't.... If you slam on the brakes you will stall... they are direct drive cars and need to be going atleast 35-40 in order to not stall out.

Second, you CANNOT see out of the right side of the car because of the way the side panel and seats are designed. You can see your right front, but past that you do not see....

We wont even discuss the fact the kid was in a black suit, black helmet, on a dark track....

Another point id like to raise
- Sprintcars have staggered tire setups.... if you let off the gas you will slide up the track, its inevitable going slow.. They pull and pull hard... If you hit the brakes, the ass end is going to slide up... In which case, the kid would've gotten smacked...
If you blip the throttle, the ass end will come around a bit, but it will suck you back down to the bottom of the track... which is what tony was doing....

The kid almost got ran over by the blue/white car as well....

I can keep going but I really don't think I need to.... Unless you actually have experience driving a dirt sprint car, you opinion is as INVALID as it gets because they are NOTHING like driving a passenger car, drift car, etc.

I agree this was a great post. I've been defending Stewart ever since this story dropped, and finally I have some facts I can back it up with. At first all I had was, it's a race on dirt?!?!? Why was that fool running on the track??

gbaby2089 · 08-11-2014, 09:56 PM

My biggest issue with this whole thing is:

Why was Stewart even in that race?

Dude has sponsors paying MILLIONS to have their name on his car/fire suit, and he missed 1/2 of last season because of sprint cars...and now this.

He really should pick one or the other.

theronin · 08-11-2014, 10:08 PM

Maybe because they love to race?

*kingkilburn* · 08-11-2014, 10:38 PM

Why is it anyone's business where the guy decides to drive in circles?

gbaby2089 · 08-11-2014, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theronin

Maybe because they love to race?

I'm sure he also loves to sign contracts where businesses agree to spend millions to associate with him.

I'm sure they love it when he misses half the season, kills young people, and his replacements wallow around the back of the pack not getting TV time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Why is it anyone's business where the guy decides to drive in circles?

Because cash rules every around me.

Also, would bet millions that kid wouldn't have walked onto a hot track if it weren't Tony Stewart, hoping for that spotlight.

Mr.slipngrip · 08-11-2014, 11:13 PM

Seems intentional, I feel like he felt disrespected attempted to scare him an failed big time. You can point fingers all day but at the end of the day a young great driver was lost, probably due to the old man just being a cocky. R.I.P

theronin · 08-11-2014, 11:23 PM

Trolls are out in full force it would seem.

theronin · 08-11-2014, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Also, would bet millions that kid wouldn't have walked onto a hot track if it weren't Tony Stewart, hoping for that spotlight.

Did you even read what you wrote? The kid walked onto a hot track mid race. Seriously end of story. Have you even read the rest of the thread, where a dirt track driver posted, before vomiting out your idiotic opinion?

theronin · 08-11-2014, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.slipngrip

Seems intentional, I feel like he felt disrespected attempted to scare him an failed big time. You can point fingers all day but at the end of the day a young great driver was lost, probably due to the old man just being a cocky. R.I.P

Is it painful to be this stupid?

1 88 U · 08-12-2014, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxide

So does anyone on here actually have Sprint car experience, hell dirt experience at all?

Well I do.... In fact I raced a sprint car Saturday....

First off, the ASCS is not the sanctioning body for sprintcar racing. It is a championship series, one of the many across the US.
- There are yellow flag systems in effect just as there are any other racing series... have you ever tried to slow down a 700hp 1200lb car in one lap? Im sure you haven't.... If you slam on the brakes you will stall... they are direct drive cars and need to be going atleast 35-40 in order to not stall out.

Second, you CANNOT see out of the right side of the car because of the way the side panel and seats are designed. You can see your right front, but past that you do not see....

We wont even discuss the fact the kid was in a black suit, black helmet, on a dark track....

Another point id like to raise
- Sprintcars have staggered tire setups.... if you let off the gas you will slide up the track, its inevitable going slow.. They pull and pull hard... If you hit the brakes, the ass end is going to slide up... In which case, the kid would've gotten smacked...
If you blip the throttle, the ass end will come around a bit, but it will suck you back down to the bottom of the track... which is what tony was doing....

The kid almost got ran over by the blue/white car as well....

I can keep going but I really don't think I need to.... Unless you actually have experience driving a dirt sprint car, you opinion is as INVALID as it gets because they are NOTHING like driving a passenger car, drift car, etc.

Consider myself educated.

Mr.slipngrip · 08-12-2014, 12:56 AM

yes it hurts soo bad... really? go somewhere old man. It's time for your nap.

rawgarage · 08-12-2014, 12:59 AM

The sprint car post ...just all kinda knowledge on me...

Memberofthe600hpkaclub · 08-12-2014, 02:20 AM

Here is a cockpit view from inside a sprint car, and like was said earlier you steer with the gas, throttle up to go down in essence

You make the call

zeitgeist · 08-12-2014, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

You did that on a dirt track in the middle of a bank in a sprint car sideways?

Wow you really blew that statement out of context. Don't think so hard next time

AFSil80 · 08-12-2014, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

My biggest issue with this whole thing is:

Why was Stewart even in that race?

Dude has sponsors paying MILLIONS to have their name on his car/fire suit, and he missed 1/2 of last season because of sprint cars...and now this.

He really should pick one or the other.

Think of it this way:

Sprint cars/dirt tracks is where he started off. Notice that he wasn't even in the lead in the race...he was racing neck and neck with everybody else with equally prepped cars. This is the same reason why you have other drivers like Kyle Busch driving in the Truck Series and the Nationwide Series on the same weekend. It's seat time, and it's a chance to make more money by promoting your brand. It's a business move. Notice how Tony's sprint car had all of the same sponsors as his NASCAR?

He was there giving back to the grassroots level to give young up and comers a feel of what it's like to race someone with phenomenal skill, and to promote his brand. Business move, plain and simple.

Look at it from the track perspective. How do you think ticket sales did if they advertised that Tony Stewart was coming to race versus just another Friday night with the locals?

maces13 · 08-12-2014, 07:04 AM

They're trying to hem em up on some heavy charges cause he hit the throttle right before he hit him. I think it's 100% the kids fault! he shouldn't have been trying dumb shit. I mean what did he expect though? By pointing at a car still at speed is going to make him stop on a dime so they can fight lol I have zero sympathy for that kid, yea it sucks someone died but it was more suicide then manslaughter

AFSil80 · 08-12-2014, 07:57 AM

Again...hitting the throttle is how you rotate the car to the low end of the track. If he had hit the brakes, the car would've slid up towards the outer wall. If this does go to court and the prosecution tries to use that approach, they're gonna get embarrassed.

RalliartRsX · 08-12-2014, 08:23 AM

I repeat: Alot of people simply do not use logic or reason in these scenarios to help paint an educated picture of what transpired........This fact is evident in this VERY thread.........

90% of the people only even read the headline and have no clue what a Sprint car, much less dirt track is.

xoxide · 08-12-2014, 02:50 PM

Tony still races sprint cars because it is what he LOVES to do. Hes been quoted numerous times on that.... It is nothing more than a hobby for him. He owns on of the nicest dirt tracks in America (Eldora), he is constantly doing things for sprint car racers. Hes been instrumental on developing new safety products for sprint car racing (especially after the wreck someone mentioned above), and he will continue to race them for as long as possible.... its not about the money for him...

There is no "universal" sanctioning body for sprint car racing.... All of these series have their own set of rules but are pretty much the same safety wise, just motor ruling is different. World of Outlaws, ASCS, USAC, USCS, etc etc. are all series that I guess could be considered sanctioning bodies.

Here is a REALLY good video from someone who knows their shit, who ive known for years, and really hits the nail on the head:

^Skip in a few minutes to get to the actual informative part.

And heres a video to try and give you some perspective from in the car... Notice how the car sucks down the track as soon as he gives it throttle.... Also notice that white sail panel on the wing that blocks out most of the top out of the right side? It blocks even more from an in car perspective... So you can imagine trying to see a dark colored body on a dark track out of that small (4-6 inch) opening.

gbaby2089 · 08-12-2014, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theronin

Did you even read what you wrote? The kid walked onto a hot track mid race. Seriously end of story. Have you even read the rest of the thread, where a dirt track driver posted, before vomiting out your idiotic opinion?

Yes, I know exactly what I wrote. You really think this kid does this if it weren't Tony Stewart that crashed him?

Quote:

Originally Posted by AFSil80

Think of it this way:

Sprint cars/dirt tracks is where he started off. Notice that he wasn't even in the lead in the race...he was racing neck and neck with everybody else with equally prepped cars. This is the same reason why you have other drivers like Kyle Busch driving in the Truck Series and the Nationwide Series on the same weekend. It's seat time, and it's a chance to make more money by promoting your brand. It's a business move. Notice how Tony's sprint car had all of the same sponsors as his NASCAR?

He was there giving back to the grassroots level to give young up and comers a feel of what it's like to race someone with phenomenal skill, and to promote his brand. Business move, plain and simple.

Look at it from the track perspective. How do you think ticket sales did if they advertised that Tony Stewart was coming to race versus just another Friday night with the locals?

Drivers racing in the NNS & Truck series are very different than at some loosely regulated podunk Friday night dirt track. To even compare the two is obscene, even the lower level NASCAR series get some national exposure for the sponsors and the cars are similar to the Cup Cars. Additionally, the cars/tracks are very safe and held to incredibly high standards.

Conversely, these little dirt tracks don't get national exposure, a couple thousand people may show up, but unless something like this happens, you don't see it on ESPN/etc. They are also very dangerous, neither of which sound very good to me if I'm spending 10+ Million to put my business' name on your car.

You think Rick Hendrick would let Jimmie Johnson or Dale Jr., go out and race dirt bikes the day before the Daytona 500?

bc. · 08-12-2014, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AFSil80

The car in front of Tony almost hit him...I'd be surprised if Tony even saw him.

This is what I had thought ^ Kind of like a blown semi tire on the freeway scenario. One car sees the tire at the last second and barely dodges it, but the car behind it is helplessly fucked.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxide

So does anyone on here actually have Sprint car experience, hell dirt experience at all?

Well I do.... In fact I raced a sprint car Saturday....

First off, the ASCS is not the sanctioning body for sprintcar racing. It is a championship series, one of the many across the US.
- There are yellow flag systems in effect just as there are any other racing series... have you ever tried to slow down a 700hp 1200lb car in one lap? Im sure you haven't.... If you slam on the brakes you will stall... they are direct drive cars and need to be going atleast 35-40 in order to not stall out.

Second, you CANNOT see out of the right side of the car because of the way the side panel and seats are designed. You can see your right front, but past that you do not see....

We wont even discuss the fact the kid was in a black suit, black helmet, on a dark track....

Another point id like to raise
- Sprintcars have staggered tire setups.... if you let off the gas you will slide up the track, its inevitable going slow.. They pull and pull hard... If you hit the brakes, the ass end is going to slide up... In which case, the kid would've gotten smacked...
If you blip the throttle, the ass end will come around a bit, but it will suck you back down to the bottom of the track... which is what tony was doing....

The kid almost got ran over by the blue/white car as well....

I can keep going but I really don't think I need to.... Unless you actually have experience driving a dirt sprint car, you opinion is as INVALID as it gets because they are NOTHING like driving a passenger car, drift car, etc.

Only two things worth saying are these two things. Nothing else matters. Now not only does this give doubt that he could actually see the kid in time, it also states how early any corrective action would have needed to happen to avoid him.

AFSil80 · 08-13-2014, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

They are also very dangerous, neither of which sound very good to me if I'm spending 10+ Million to put my business' name on your car.

You think Rick Hendrick would let Jimmie Johnson or Dale Jr., go out and race dirt bikes the day before the Daytona 500?

Apparently Coca-Cola and Bass Pro Shops feel differently. Also, any motorsport is dangerous. The risk of losing a life is almost always a factor. Fact is, it still happens, although thankfully not as often as it used to.

As for Rick and his golden boys, stop theorizing. You're making yourself look desperate to prove whatever point it is you're trying to make.

*kingkilburn* · 08-13-2014, 10:01 PM

That race was perfectly safe until a dumbass with a death with ran towards moving cars.

gbaby2089 · 08-14-2014, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

That race was perfectly safe until a dumbass with a death with ran towards moving cars.

Yeah totes. That's why Tony broke his leg in a similar race/car last year.

xoxide · 08-14-2014, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Yeah totes. That's why Tony broke his leg in a similar race/car last year.

The drive shaft broke and exploded inside the torque tube.... Freak accident. Every form of motorsport is highly dangerous. Drivers have broken their legs in NASCAR cars in the past as well. shut the Fuck up because you CLEARLY haven't got an ounce of an idea on what you're talking about.

Funny thing about that accident- afterwards Tony helped develop new safety equipment to help prevent accidents like his from happening again. I happen to run one of the devices he developed after that wreck on my car.

AFSil80 · 08-14-2014, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Yeah totes. That's why Tony broke his leg in a similar race/car last year.

You really aren't grasping the concept that motorsport is dangerous...

Perhaps you should stop talking and start listening to those who know, such as the guy who posted just above me.

xoxide · 08-14-2014, 10:15 AM

^that would be too easy.... Being totally ignorant on the subject and speaking out of your ass is so much easier.....

Lol

08-11-2014, 07:08 PM	#31
silverarrow27 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Banning, CA Posts: 1,428 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	I'm no expert, but I'm sure many will agree with what I have to say. The gene pool has just gotten "smarter". __________________ 1989 240sx XE\|2002 Frontier SC CC LB 4wd\|2011 Pathfinder LE V8 4wd

08-11-2014, 07:40 PM	#32
simmode1 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Addison, TX Posts: 5,526 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^Yep. Natural Selection at its finest. __________________ "Simplicity is the key to brilliance." - Bruce Lee

08-11-2014, 10:38 PM	#37
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why is it anyone's business where the guy decides to drive in circles? __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

08-12-2014, 12:56 AM	#44
Mr.slipngrip Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Orlando Posts: 200 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	yes it hurts soo bad... really? go somewhere old man. It's time for your nap. Last edited by Mr.slipngrip; 08-12-2014 at 01:50 AM..

08-12-2014, 07:57 AM	#50
AFSil80 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Savannah, GA Age: 36 Posts: 776 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Again...hitting the throttle is how you rotate the car to the low end of the track. If he had hit the brakes, the car would've slid up towards the outer wall. If this does go to court and the prosecution tries to use that approach, they're gonna get embarrassed. __________________ - Peter --66 LeMans--89 240SX--14 Juke RS--

08-11-2014, 09:56 PM	#35
gbaby2089 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: WI Posts: 833 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My biggest issue with this whole thing is: Why was Stewart even in that race? Dude has sponsors paying MILLIONS to have their name on his car/fire suit, and he missed 1/2 of last season because of sprint cars...and now this. He really should pick one or the other.

08-11-2014, 11:13 PM	#39
Mr.slipngrip Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Orlando Posts: 200 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Seems intentional, I feel like he felt disrespected attempted to scare him an failed big time. You can point fingers all day but at the end of the day a young great driver was lost, probably due to the old man just being a cocky. R.I.P

08-12-2014, 12:59 AM	#45
rawgarage Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: h o u s t o n Age: 32 Posts: 5,990 Trader Rating: (75) Feedback Score: 75 reviews	The sprint car post ...just all kinda knowledge on me...

08-12-2014, 02:20 AM	#46
Memberofthe600hpkaclub Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida Age: 35 Posts: 1,038 Trader Rating: (17) Feedback Score: 17 reviews	Here is a cockpit view from inside a sprint car, and like was said earlier you steer with the gas, throttle up to go down in essence You make the call

08-12-2014, 07:04 AM	#49
maces13 Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2013 Location: Largo Age: 30 Posts: 112 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	They're trying to hem em up on some heavy charges cause he hit the throttle right before he hit him. I think it's 100% the kids fault! he shouldn't have been trying dumb shit. I mean what did he expect though? By pointing at a car still at speed is going to make him stop on a dime so they can fight lol I have zero sympathy for that kid, yea it sucks someone died but it was more suicide then manslaughter

08-12-2014, 08:23 AM	#51
RalliartRsX Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,756 Trader Rating: (32) Feedback Score: 32 reviews	I repeat: Alot of people simply do not use logic or reason in these scenarios to help paint an educated picture of what transpired........This fact is evident in this VERY thread......... 90% of the people only even read the headline and have no clue what a Sprint car, much less dirt track is.

08-12-2014, 02:50 PM	#52
xoxide Post Whore! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 2,807 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	Tony still races sprint cars because it is what he LOVES to do. Hes been quoted numerous times on that.... It is nothing more than a hobby for him. He owns on of the nicest dirt tracks in America (Eldora), he is constantly doing things for sprint car racers. Hes been instrumental on developing new safety products for sprint car racing (especially after the wreck someone mentioned above), and he will continue to race them for as long as possible.... its not about the money for him... There is no "universal" sanctioning body for sprint car racing.... All of these series have their own set of rules but are pretty much the same safety wise, just motor ruling is different. World of Outlaws, ASCS, USAC, USCS, etc etc. are all series that I guess could be considered sanctioning bodies. Here is a REALLY good video from someone who knows their shit, who ive known for years, and really hits the nail on the head: ^Skip in a few minutes to get to the actual informative part. And heres a video to try and give you some perspective from in the car... Notice how the car sucks down the track as soon as he gives it throttle.... Also notice that white sail panel on the wing that blocks out most of the top out of the right side? It blocks even more from an in car perspective... So you can imagine trying to see a dark colored body on a dark track out of that small (4-6 inch) opening.

08-13-2014, 10:01 PM	#56
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	That race was perfectly safe until a dumbass with a death with ran towards moving cars. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

08-14-2014, 10:15 AM	#60
xoxide Post Whore! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 2,807 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	^that would be too easy.... Being totally ignorant on the subject and speaking out of your ass is so much easier..... Lol

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