has the fad wagon passed?

[91CRXsiR]

im seeing allot of kouki s14s forsale cheap as heck.. something happen and they aren't cool no more?

[MakotoS13]

hopefully.

[matlock]

agreed I am in the market and I want another one and I don't want to have to be paying an arm and a leg.

[JtWo]

Go buy all the s14s you can find before TFATF3 comes out! You'll be rich after that!

[91CRXsiR]

y is the main car a S14?

[infinitexsound]

hahhahah yeah rite... its because these idiots see the amount of money it takes to build something they become pussies... oh well... should of stuck with hondas... and stop watching initial d

[aznpoopy]

Go buy all the s14s you can find before TFATF3 comes out! You'll be rich after that!

not gonna happen

a s14 was already in TF&TF part 1.

maybe the fad is only a cali thing. over here i never noticed a appreciable rise in 240sx prices. only been getting cheaper gradually over the past few years. maybe a 1k drop for zenki s14s over 2 years.

i have seen s13s listed for stupidly high prices, especially verts. generally that happens with any old sports car. i think that has more to do with stupid people who list cars without checking book value.

[dvdevo]

i wonder do those high priced s13s really do end up being sold for for $$ above kbb

[Sil Beer S13]

i have seen s13s listed for stupidly high prices, especially verts. generally that happens with any old sports car. i think that has more to do with stupid people who list cars without checking book value.

240's arent sports cars.

[aznpoopy]

240's arent sports cars.

okay mr. grumpy

i typically see old two door compact cars, that could possibly be perceived as sporty by the non mechanically inclined non auto tuning public, listed for a value that is many times the fair free market determined 'book' value for the car in question.

[Blues13]

This might be a little off topic, but are the AE86 prices dropping as well? They still seem to be fairly rare and expensive for what it is..

[91CRXsiR]

yea all the old skool ppl are selling thier hachis cuz its too stupid now ... soon we will be doing the same shit

[JDMs13]

Price of 86's has climbed if anything at this point.

[MakotoS13]

240's arent sports cars.

lets see

2 door

decent power to weight ratio

RWD

good looks

no cup holder

potential out the yin yang


oops, looks like you're wrong.

[importnut]

lets see
2 door
decent power to weight ratio
RWD
good looks
no cup holder
potential out the yin yang
oops, looks like you're wrong.

Thanks for pointing out the truth MakotoS13! It's a 2+2 sports coupe. Conceptually, not much different than the 300zx 2+2 and so on. Something like a Sentra or a Civic is not a sports car. (doesn't mean you can't make either one fast...)

-Alex S.

[Yuri]

240's arent sports cars.

Not on either side of this arguement, but here's a quote from a Nissan 240SX ad in 1990:

"There are sports cars, and there are "sports" cars. At Nissan, we make the kind without the quotation marks."

[SilviaNinja240]

another reason why you are seeing them sold that cheap, might be just beacause there may be a kajillion things wrong with it too.

that, or thouse sellers can't sell worth shit

[drift freaq]

Fastbacks are definitely sports cars. They are the embodiment of what a non roadster style sports car should be. Coupes are sports coupe's consider sports cars by some but not by all. BMW builds sports coupes except for the Z series which are roadsters and full blooded sports cars. Now all of this is really semantics.
Basically the 240sx is indeed a sports car. A improperly marketed sports car, here in the U.S. for Insurance reasons and fear it would overshadow the 300zx. Which is exactly what the 180sx did in Japan.

[aznpoopy]

another reason why you are seeing them sold that cheap, might be just beacause there may be a kajillion things wrong with it too.

that, or thouse sellers can't sell worth shit

or

maybe people finally realized a bone stock car that is almost a decade old isn't worth 4k more then one from the year before simply because it's got angrier looking headlights

who cares about the classification

sports car or not, we like em for what they are, regardless

[drift freaq]

or

maybe people finally realized a bone stock car that is almost a decade old isn't worth 4k more then one from the year before simply because it's got angrier looking headlights

who cares about the classification

sports car or not, we like em for what they are, regardless
true dat, plus the fact that for 1k or a little less you could put the 97-98 front end on . Thats still over 3k less hahhahhahhahahhahhahahha for one year difference.

[zenkiDori]

the fad hasn't passed. It won't pass untill people have something else to move on to. I have seen a few kids sell thier 240s for Evos, but not a huge amount, and 240s are still way expensive for the most part.

and sure, 240s are sports cars, the same way a celica or civic coupe is a sports car.

[WILDACEX187]

then u could put fc's in that category too zenki. not to mention fd's. they are sports coupes period. weight distribution is almost perfect, 2 door, rwd and its hard to get out of. now thats a sports car.

[Blues13]

and sure, 240s are sports cars, the same way a celica or civic coupe is a sports car.

Front wheel drive cars are not sports cars.

[Chernobyl]

sportY cars... damnit!

The bandwagon hasn't left... it's just become so commonplace that things don't excite you as much.

[ZK]

Geez, might as well start a new thread to define "sports" cars... In the USA, no it doesn't fall under the sports car catagory because we're raised around Mustangs and Camaros which are "real" sports cars.

Really, a sports car is any car that you use for sport, is made for that purpose, and marketed as such.

The 240SX does qualify and my insurance company seems to think so because I pay a "sports car" premium on my full coverage insurance bill every year.

Here is the wikipedia definition:

A sports car is type of automobile designed for sporting performance. While opinions differ as to the exact definition, most sports cars have two seats and two doors, and are designed to excel at a combination of acceleration, top speed, braking, and maneuverability. Great emphasis is often placed on handling—the ability of the car to remain in the control of the driver under challenging condition such as when the car's tires begin to lose their grip on corners.

A car may be sporting without being a sports car. Performance modifications of regular cars, such as muscle cars, hot hatches and the like do not generally fall in the pure sports car territory.

A large, powerful engine is not required; many of the early British sports cars lacked a powerful engine and did not accelerate as quickly as, say, muscle cars, but were known for having exceptional handling characteristics due to their combination of light weight, carefully engineered/balanced chassis and innovative suspension designs. Lotus is often cited as an example of this approach. On tight, twisting roads, such a car has higher effective performance than a heavier, more powerful car with less cornering ability.

In many situations, the term "sports car" is used to refer to any car with more power or performance than is typical for cars in general. Often vehicles in the muscle car, performance sedan/saloon or grand tourer (GT) category are referred to as sports cars even though they tend to lack the light weight and excellent handling characteristics of a true sports car.

Due to bureaucratic restrictions in the North American market, many sports cars are not available for sale or use in the United States and Canada. In Britain and Europe, a more flexible attitude towards small-volume specialist manufacturers has allowed companies like TVR, Noble, Pagani, etc. to succeed.

[aznpoopy]

its just semantics

are you guys really going to argue over this

btw in NJ my s14 is classified as a 'compact car,' not a sports car
meanwhile a rx7 n/a (which is pretty similar performance wise) is a sports car = $300 more / 6 months

cheaper insurance = t3h yay

[Sil Beer S13]

okay mr. grumpy

i typically see old two door compact cars, that could possibly be perceived as sporty by the non mechanically inclined non auto tuning public, listed for a value that is many times the fair free market determined 'book' value for the car in question.

No what i meant is that at least for me insurance doesnt consider them to be sports cars. Its considered passenger car.

Not trying to start a war. Just saying is all.

I love my 240 and my silvia.

[Stock-S13]

The bandwagon hasn't left... it's just become so commonplace that things don't excite you as much.


Well said, but i have yet to see the efforts placed on making the transition to the RX-7 as was claimed. Or hell they can stick to corrolas as well, those things suck. Maybe even the starlet?

Gone? Well just take a looka t what questions are being asked here, and lok at the register daytes along with the maturity level(hahah Im one to talk!), this isn't going any where. Focus on your cars and just be done with it.

Or do what I do when some riced S chassis/or any car for that matter comes flying by you and stops to look, flip him off, or pick your nose and turn.

[TheTicTac]

Noobs are scared of Rotary Power, that is why they will never buy RX7's

[CrazyIvan]

i'd say not only n00bs are scared by rotaries, i love the looks of the fc/fd but dont want the hassle of having to rebuild a engine over and over again. ANYWAY, price on 86's and 240's are steadly going down here in TX. they cost around $1500 over here.

[aznpoopy]

lol...

you don't need to rebuild the 13b *that* often

rotaries are very reliable when treated properly

FI rotaries are where you have shorter life expetency, but even then you should hit 100k unless you are making alot of power

[sLip techniques]

my friend is trying to look for a 240 in texas, but he has no luck :Ownedd:

[vinhisbored]

Hm.. back to the actual post, I have seen that the price of S14 kouki's have gone down 'drasitically' compared to before. I purchased mine for $8200 last year, and now I see them sold for like $6500.

[TheTicTac]

i'd say not only n00bs are scared by rotaries, i love the looks of the fc/fd but dont want the hassle of having to rebuild a engine over and over again.

hence my point.

[91CRXsiR]

Hm.. back to the actual post, I have seen that the price of S14 kouki's have gone down 'drasitically' compared to before. I purchased mine for $8200 last year, and now I see them sold for like $6500.
exactly what i mean..

and i thought we covered this sports car thing 2 years ago..

the 240 is NOT a sports car but a sporty car

[tew photy]

jesus christ...talk about splitting hairs :drama:

[m0rex]

Yeah i was about to start buying a kouki front end but i still wanted to keep my zenki end. When i noticed that the prices on them had dropped fast i said i can probably buy one instead. If you think about it its realistic since a 97 kouki is now 8 years old. For some reason everytime i see a car that 95+ i dont picture it that old but it is and every car devaluates.

They are hard to find but you can find them they aint that expensive. Or just get a old lady scared a bit. Like in a state where it snows. Be "just sell me your car... have you ever driven in the snow and your car goes sideways and loose control while turning?.. yes.. well with $3000 you can buy yourself a safer car".

I had neighbors in cali who had some cool cars back in the day. Like some old lady had this really clean ae86 that i never knew what it was just looked like another really old pos. Then when i found out what it was 3 years ago she had traded it in for a toyota echo a month before. Find old people and offer them $200 for those cool rwd cars.

[FaLKoN240]

^^^That's what I did, but I didn't lowball her. :bigok:

[zenkiDori]

i'd say not only n00bs are scared by rotaries, i love the looks of the fc/fd but dont want the hassle of having to rebuild a engine over and over again.
then tune it properly.

if you consider a slow and sloppy car a sports car just because it has two doors and, *OMFG* is rear wheel drive then you probably don't drive many sports cars. not bashing the 240, i have an S14 and i love it, but i don't have any dillusions as to what it is. that's all i have to say about that.

i see more and more 240s on the road. the price has stayed about the same as far as i can tell, a few people try and gouge you, but you can find deals like always. what we need to do is convince people that scions are the coolest cars ever so they all flock thataway.

[AKADriver]

Prices never rose here on the east coast, but good cars got scarce.

The cheap S14s I'm seeing now are the same junky auto-trans cars that were cheap back when I got my first S-chassis car in 2001.