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91CRXsiR · 06-27-2005, 10:27 PM

im seeing allot of kouki s14s forsale cheap as heck.. something happen and they aren't cool no more?

MakotoS13 · 06-27-2005, 10:28 PM

hopefully.

matlock · 06-27-2005, 10:33 PM

agreed I am in the market and I want another one and I don't want to have to be paying an arm and a leg.

JtWo · 06-27-2005, 10:36 PM

Go buy all the s14s you can find before TFATF3 comes out! You'll be rich after that!

91CRXsiR · 06-27-2005, 10:49 PM

y is the main car a S14?

infinitexsound · 06-27-2005, 10:49 PM

hahhahah yeah rite... its because these idiots see the amount of money it takes to build something they become pussies... oh well... should of stuck with hondas... and stop watching initial d

aznpoopy · 06-28-2005, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JtWo

Go buy all the s14s you can find before TFATF3 comes out! You'll be rich after that!

not gonna happen

a s14 was already in TF&TF part 1.

maybe the fad is only a cali thing. over here i never noticed a appreciable rise in 240sx prices. only been getting cheaper gradually over the past few years. maybe a 1k drop for zenki s14s over 2 years.

i have seen s13s listed for stupidly high prices, especially verts. generally that happens with any old sports car. i think that has more to do with stupid people who list cars without checking book value.

dvdevo · 06-28-2005, 02:43 AM

i wonder do those high priced s13s really do end up being sold for for $$ above kbb

Sil Beer S13 · 06-28-2005, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by aznpoopy

i have seen s13s listed for stupidly high prices, especially verts. generally that happens with any old sports car. i think that has more to do with stupid people who list cars without checking book value.

240's arent sports cars.

aznpoopy · 06-28-2005, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sil Beer S13

240's arent sports cars.

okay mr. grumpy

i typically see old two door compact cars, that could possibly be perceived as sporty by the non mechanically inclined non auto tuning public, listed for a value that is many times the fair free market determined 'book' value for the car in question.

Blues13 · 06-28-2005, 05:13 AM

This might be a little off topic, but are the AE86 prices dropping as well? They still seem to be fairly rare and expensive for what it is..

91CRXsiR · 06-28-2005, 06:00 AM

yea all the old skool ppl are selling thier hachis cuz its too stupid now ... soon we will be doing the same shit

JDMs13 · 06-28-2005, 06:40 AM

Price of 86's has climbed if anything at this point.

MakotoS13 · 06-28-2005, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sil Beer S13

240's arent sports cars.

lets see

2 door

decent power to weight ratio

RWD

good looks

no cup holder

potential out the yin yang

oops, looks like you're wrong.

importnut · 06-28-2005, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MakotoS13

lets see
2 door
decent power to weight ratio
RWD
good looks
no cup holder
potential out the yin yang
oops, looks like you're wrong.

Thanks for pointing out the truth MakotoS13! It's a 2+2 sports coupe. Conceptually, not much different than the 300zx 2+2 and so on. Something like a Sentra or a Civic is not a sports car. (doesn't mean you can't make either one fast...)

-Alex S.

*Yuri* · 06-28-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sil Beer S13

240's arent sports cars.

Not on either side of this arguement, but here's a quote from a Nissan 240SX ad in 1990:

"There are sports cars, and there are "sports" cars. At Nissan, we make the kind without the quotation marks."

SilviaNinja240 · 06-28-2005, 09:43 AM

another reason why you are seeing them sold that cheap, might be just beacause there may be a kajillion things wrong with it too.

that, or thouse sellers can't sell worth shit

drift freaq · 06-28-2005, 10:14 AM

Fastbacks are definitely sports cars. They are the embodiment of what a non roadster style sports car should be. Coupes are sports coupe's consider sports cars by some but not by all. BMW builds sports coupes except for the Z series which are roadsters and full blooded sports cars. Now all of this is really semantics.
Basically the 240sx is indeed a sports car. A improperly marketed sports car, here in the U.S. for Insurance reasons and fear it would overshadow the 300zx. Which is exactly what the 180sx did in Japan.

aznpoopy · 06-28-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SilviaNinja240

another reason why you are seeing them sold that cheap, might be just beacause there may be a kajillion things wrong with it too.

that, or thouse sellers can't sell worth shit

or

maybe people finally realized a bone stock car that is almost a decade old isn't worth 4k more then one from the year before simply because it's got angrier looking headlights

who cares about the classification

sports car or not, we like em for what they are, regardless

drift freaq · 06-28-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by aznpoopy

or

maybe people finally realized a bone stock car that is almost a decade old isn't worth 4k more then one from the year before simply because it's got angrier looking headlights

who cares about the classification

sports car or not, we like em for what they are, regardless

true dat, plus the fact that for 1k or a little less you could put the 97-98 front end on . Thats still over 3k less hahhahhahhahahhahhahahha for one year difference.

zenkiDori · 06-28-2005, 12:17 PM

the fad hasn't passed. It won't pass untill people have something else to move on to. I have seen a few kids sell thier 240s for Evos, but not a huge amount, and 240s are still way expensive for the most part.

and sure, 240s are sports cars, the same way a celica or civic coupe is a sports car.

WILDACEX187 · 06-28-2005, 01:36 PM

then u could put fc's in that category too zenki. not to mention fd's. they are sports coupes period. weight distribution is almost perfect, 2 door, rwd and its hard to get out of. now thats a sports car.

Blues13 · 06-28-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by zenkiDori

and sure, 240s are sports cars, the same way a celica or civic coupe is a sports car.

Front wheel drive cars are not sports cars.

Chernobyl · 06-28-2005, 02:49 PM

sportY cars... damnit!

The bandwagon hasn't left... it's just become so commonplace that things don't excite you as much.

ZK · 06-28-2005, 02:52 PM

Geez, might as well start a new thread to define "sports" cars... In the USA, no it doesn't fall under the sports car catagory because we're raised around Mustangs and Camaros which are "real" sports cars.

Really, a sports car is any car that you use for sport, is made for that purpose, and marketed as such.

The 240SX does qualify and my insurance company seems to think so because I pay a "sports car" premium on my full coverage insurance bill every year.

Here is the wikipedia definition:

Quote:

A sports car is type of automobile designed for sporting performance. While opinions differ as to the exact definition, most sports cars have two seats and two doors, and are designed to excel at a combination of acceleration, top speed, braking, and maneuverability. Great emphasis is often placed on handling—the ability of the car to remain in the control of the driver under challenging condition such as when the car's tires begin to lose their grip on corners.

A car may be sporting without being a sports car. Performance modifications of regular cars, such as muscle cars, hot hatches and the like do not generally fall in the pure sports car territory.

A large, powerful engine is not required; many of the early British sports cars lacked a powerful engine and did not accelerate as quickly as, say, muscle cars, but were known for having exceptional handling characteristics due to their combination of light weight, carefully engineered/balanced chassis and innovative suspension designs. Lotus is often cited as an example of this approach. On tight, twisting roads, such a car has higher effective performance than a heavier, more powerful car with less cornering ability.

In many situations, the term "sports car" is used to refer to any car with more power or performance than is typical for cars in general. Often vehicles in the muscle car, performance sedan/saloon or grand tourer (GT) category are referred to as sports cars even though they tend to lack the light weight and excellent handling characteristics of a true sports car.

Due to bureaucratic restrictions in the North American market, many sports cars are not available for sale or use in the United States and Canada. In Britain and Europe, a more flexible attitude towards small-volume specialist manufacturers has allowed companies like TVR, Noble, Pagani, etc. to succeed.

aznpoopy · 06-28-2005, 03:25 PM

its just semantics

are you guys really going to argue over this

btw in NJ my s14 is classified as a 'compact car,' not a sports car
meanwhile a rx7 n/a (which is pretty similar performance wise) is a sports car = $300 more / 6 months

cheaper insurance = t3h yay

Sil Beer S13 · 06-28-2005, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aznpoopy

okay mr. grumpy

i typically see old two door compact cars, that could possibly be perceived as sporty by the non mechanically inclined non auto tuning public, listed for a value that is many times the fair free market determined 'book' value for the car in question.

No what i meant is that at least for me insurance doesnt consider them to be sports cars. Its considered passenger car.

Not trying to start a war. Just saying is all.

I love my 240 and my silvia.

Stock-S13 · 06-28-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chernobyl

The bandwagon hasn't left... it's just become so commonplace that things don't excite you as much.

Well said, but i have yet to see the efforts placed on making the transition to the RX-7 as was claimed. Or hell they can stick to corrolas as well, those things suck. Maybe even the starlet?

Gone? Well just take a looka t what questions are being asked here, and lok at the register daytes along with the maturity level(hahah Im one to talk!), this isn't going any where. Focus on your cars and just be done with it.

Or do what I do when some riced S chassis/or any car for that matter comes flying by you and stops to look, flip him off, or pick your nose and turn.

TheTicTac · 06-28-2005, 05:32 PM

Noobs are scared of Rotary Power, that is why they will never buy RX7's

CrazyIvan · 06-28-2005, 05:54 PM

i'd say not only n00bs are scared by rotaries, i love the looks of the fc/fd but dont want the hassle of having to rebuild a engine over and over again. ANYWAY, price on 86's and 240's are steadly going down here in TX. they cost around $1500 over here.

06-27-2005, 10:27 PM	#1
91CRXsiR Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: City of Industry, CA [626] Age: 38 Posts: 2,092 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	has the fad wagon passed? im seeing allot of kouki s14s forsale cheap as heck.. something happen and they aren't cool no more?

06-27-2005, 10:36 PM	#4
JtWo Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 408 Age: 32 Posts: 747 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Go buy all the s14s you can find before TFATF3 comes out! You'll be rich after that! __________________ -Jawn

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infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 39 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hahhahah yeah rite... its because these idiots see the amount of money it takes to build something they become pussies... oh well... should of stuck with hondas... and stop watching initial d __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way... Last edited by infinitexsound; 06-28-2005 at 09:38 AM..

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06-28-2005, 12:17 PM	#21
zenkiDori Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 384 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the fad hasn't passed. It won't pass untill people have something else to move on to. I have seen a few kids sell thier 240s for Evos, but not a huge amount, and 240s are still way expensive for the most part. and sure, 240s are sports cars, the same way a celica or civic coupe is a sports car. __________________ Zenki FC3S Zenki RHS13

06-27-2005, 10:28 PM	#2
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hopefully.

06-27-2005, 10:33 PM	#3
matlock Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: California Age: 36 Posts: 1,169 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	agreed I am in the market and I want another one and I don't want to have to be paying an arm and a leg.

06-28-2005, 02:43 AM	#8
dvdevo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: cali Posts: 1,469 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i wonder do those high priced s13s really do end up being sold for for $$ above kbb

06-28-2005, 05:13 AM	#11
Blues13 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: OC Posts: 435 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	This might be a little off topic, but are the AE86 prices dropping as well? They still seem to be fairly rare and expensive for what it is..

06-28-2005, 06:00 AM	#12
91CRXsiR Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: City of Industry, CA [626] Age: 38 Posts: 2,092 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	yea all the old skool ppl are selling thier hachis cuz its too stupid now ... soon we will be doing the same shit

06-28-2005, 06:40 AM	#13
JDMs13 BANNED Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New England Age: 37 Posts: 271 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Price of 86's has climbed if anything at this point.

06-28-2005, 09:43 AM	#17
SilviaNinja240 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Shibukawa, Gunma Posts: 1,152 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	another reason why you are seeing them sold that cheap, might be just beacause there may be a kajillion things wrong with it too. that, or thouse sellers can't sell worth shit

06-28-2005, 01:36 PM	#22
WILDACEX187 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: QUEENZ, NYC Age: 38 Posts: 3,103 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	then u could put fc's in that category too zenki. not to mention fd's. they are sports coupes period. weight distribution is almost perfect, 2 door, rwd and its hard to get out of. now thats a sports car. __________________ SR POWA COUPE LUVVV!!!

06-28-2005, 02:49 PM	#24
Chernobyl Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver, CO Age: 38 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	sportY cars... damnit! The bandwagon hasn't left... it's just become so commonplace that things don't excite you as much.

06-28-2005, 03:25 PM	#26
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 40 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	its just semantics are you guys really going to argue over this btw in NJ my s14 is classified as a 'compact car,' not a sports car meanwhile a rx7 n/a (which is pretty similar performance wise) is a sports car = $300 more / 6 months cheaper insurance = t3h yay

06-28-2005, 05:32 PM	#29
TheTicTac Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2002 Location: CA Posts: 449 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Noobs are scared of Rotary Power, that is why they will never buy RX7's __________________ GorgeousGarage L.oose S.ocks D.aisuke !

06-28-2005, 05:54 PM	#30
CrazyIvan Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Kissimmee, FL Age: 39 Posts: 1,820 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	i'd say not only n00bs are scared by rotaries, i love the looks of the fc/fd but dont want the hassle of having to rebuild a engine over and over again. ANYWAY, price on 86's and 240's are steadly going down here in TX. they cost around $1500 over here.

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