RWB Knock Off?

[Corbic]

Normally anytime something popular hits the knock offs quickly follow. Aero is one of the biggest. Porsche Aftermarket is saturated in knock off RUF, Gemballa, Stroskee (whatever) and all the various OEM and Racing parts; RSR, 930, GT2 etc.


Some of it is people don't want to pay RUF prices and others because it's impossible to get anymore, like RSR fenders.


So why is it, at $22,000.... No one has made a RWB knock off? It's an extremely simple kit.

RWB Kit:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6213/6293315796_0619b791fb_b.jpg


By comparison the BB 930 fenders are just over $300 for fenders and $300 each for bumpers. It's just no where near as wide.

http://www.betterbodiesmotorsport.com/interiors/accesories1/pictures/m930flares3.jpg

So is it just the industry respects Nakai that much?

[Matej]

Why not just PM the Extreme Dimensions representative instead of making a thread? Jeeeez.

[KiLLeR2001]

This thread is a direct result of owning an older Porsche while still living with the S-Chassis mentality.

Typical Porsche Owner: "$22,000? That's it?"
S-Chassis turned Porsche owner: "Why aren't there knock offs? / Cheap Chinese aftermarket? brb... Making thread..."

[Highway Riding]

IMHO your not just paying for a KIT you are paying for a Nakai san design and name etc.. Entry level for the cars themselves just aren't there yet with regards to price and then to hack it up? Your average new Porsche owner isn't gonna buy a car on loan and spend another let's say 5-20K for paint, body work, suspension and wheels even with a $900 knock off fender flare kit. It's actually refreshing

[RalliartRsX]

From what I understand, Nakai san interviews every individual in a 1-7 day sit down before even considering taking on one's project. That alone will turn off about 99.9% of the knockoff industry as they would be snuffed out before even getting to see the kit (much less making sure to have a vehicle, the several year wait time, the cost, etc).

Just doesn't quite work that way.

P.S I know the OP is trolling ;)

[Corbic]

IMHO your not just paying for a KIT you are paying for a Nakai san design and name etc.. Entry level for the cars themselves just aren't there yet with regards to price and then to hack it up? Your average new Porsche owner isn't gonna buy a car on loan and spend another let's say 5-20K for paint, body work, suspension and wheels even with a $900 knock off fender flare kit. It's actually refreshing

Put down the pipe.

RWB actually only makes kits for cars 1964-1997, not new ones.

Porsche owners also regularly destroy their cars to make them into race cars, RS, Turbo, RSR, GT2 and RUF clones. They use piles of "knock off" kits and wheels. Or should I just say "replica"? No body building a GT2 clone is using Porsche factory parts. Few, very few building a RUF of Andial use original parts.

Paying for Nakai's design? Then why doesn't that logic apply to Rocket Bunny, Amuse, Sexy Knights, and RUF?

[Corbic]

From what I understand, Nakai san interviews every individual in a 1-7 day sit down before even considering taking on one's project. That alone will turn off about 99.9% of the knockoff industry as they would be snuffed out before even getting to see the kit (much less making sure to have a vehicle, the several year wait time, the cost, etc).

Just doesn't quite work that way.

P.S I know the OP is trolling ;)

Several year wait time?

For what?

[RalliartRsX]

I think he only does 1 or 2 cars at a time.

Even then, regardless of the wait time, the amount of hoops one has to jump through to get one done is probably a major turn off for 99.9% of the knock off manufacturers (including buying a (skyrocketing prices) aircooled gloried VW bug to begin with). Aircooled Porsches have seen quite a price spike in the last 5-8 years.

P.S I would love to own a gloried aircooled bug ;)

[hobbs]

Oh look, another thread by Corbic.

[Corbic]

Oh look, another thread by Corbic.

Coming from the guy who only makes for sale threads.

Stay classy.

[Highway Riding]

Put down the pipe.



Paying for Nakai's design? Then why doesn't that logic apply to Rocket Bunny, Amuse, Sexy Knights, and RUF?

Because no one from Amuse or the others named fly out to mount the kit and name your car!

[Corbic]

Because no one from Amuse or the others named fly out to mount the kit and name your car!

Ain't that the truth, then again they don't charge $22k for their kits either.

I do believe RUF requires an authorized dealer to install their parts however.

[vanish1]

bc someone hasnt invested the time and money to make a knockoff?

[hobbs]

Coming from the guy who only makes for sale threads.

Stay classy.

I use the market place, I have no shame in that. I have a paid sub to support the forum and my threads are better than 95% of the other FS/FT threads on here. Don't see what the issue is?

Your hints that you own a porsche are getting less and less subtle, we get it, you own a old porsche. You should probably go hangout on a porsche forum.

Also, "stay classy" lol, what's next? Calling me a hater? #Hatersjustjelly #myporscheisgreen

[Corbic]

I use the market place, I have no shame in that. I have a paid sub to support the forum and my threads are better than 95% of the other FS/FT threads on here. Don't see what the issue is?

Your hints that you own a porsche are getting less and less subtle, we get it, you own a old porsche. You should probably go hangout on a porsche forum.

Also, "stay classy" lol, what's next? Calling me a hater? #Hatersjustjelly #myporscheisgreen

Not hinting at anything. I've owned two and sold one. Big whoop. Guys on here own GTRs and cars that cost 3-4 times what I spent. I spent $18k, nearly $10k less than the cost of a new FRS.

I was a premise for 10 years. I stopped paying this year because of all the spam and lack of moderation. Why should I financially contribute to something that is falling appart with no sign of getting better.

As for #stayclassy, it's a return shot. You made a snide comment implying my thread was not contributing. You predominately use the forms to profit from and I don't see any huge value-added thread production coming from you. So yeah, why you hating?

It's better than another picture thread or spam thread.

[collegekid]

Honestly you would probably be better off trying out some fiberglass work yourself. Some local guys have done it entirely one off. One of my customers has a 95 impreza L who did a widebody competely out of fiberglass or a major portion was fiberglass. It took him almost a year too because of work and social life.

I'm not saying start buying up tools to mass produce body kits just to attempt something

[dizzariot]

I think he only does 1 or 2 cars at a time.


Nooooo he's been quite busy in recent times. Go on Instagram and look up Christian Coujin (?)..the dude is basically a groupie and owner of the blue RWB out of Seattle. Nakai-san has been all over the globe this past year.

The $22k price tag is for the experience as well. Nakai-san flies out to you, does the interview, then gets to work on the car. For something that's one-off I think it's kind of cool. Would I buy something else for that money? Yes. If I were a rich man I'd consider a RWB one day...maybe.

Your hints that you own a porsche AND YOUR LOVE FOR MUSTANGS are getting less and less subtle, we get it, you own a old porsche. You should probably go hangout on a porsche forum.

Also, "stay classy" lol, what's next? Calling me a hater? #Hatersjustjelly #myporscheisgreen

Fixed.

Corbic is starting his own forum. Kind of like Zilvia (Z + Silvia = ZIlvia) his forum will be Porstang or Mustorche.

[Corbic]

Corbic is starting his own forum. Kind of like Zilvia (Z + Silvia = ZIlvia) his forum will be Porstang or Mustorche.

Honestly how hard do I rep the Porsche around here?

[Corbic]

Honestly you would probably be better off trying out some fiberglass work yourself. Some local guys have done it entirely one off. One of my customers has a 95 impreza L who did a widebody competely out of fiberglass or a major portion was fiberglass. It took him almost a year too because of work and social life.

I'm not saying start buying up tools to mass produce body kits just to attempt something

I bet you could just use the 3D model files from NFS to have it made.

[innovation]

Corbic how is your subie-powered Porsche coming along? I havent seen you update the thread in awhile.

[Kuma]

when I was working for FedEx I met a Porsche guy that was looking for upholstery... As we were talking about pricing, I think I screwed myself by saying I'd redo the front seats for $350. I think it turned him away because it was too cheap. He went on to say he recently paid $800 to replace an oil line that ran from the back to the front of the car.... When I asked why he didn't just buy some hose and fittings, he looked at me like I was high. I guess a lot of Porsche owners just feel better paying too much...

I met another guy with a 350sbc powered Porsche 914... that guy was cool as fuck, and that car was sketchy fast.

[Corbic]

He went on to say he recently paid $800 to replace an oil line that ran from the back to the front of the car.... When I asked why he didn't just buy some hose and fittings, he looked at me like I was high. I guess a lot of Porsche owners just feel better paying too much...
.

Absolutely fucking true.

How dare you suggest buying a part not made by Porsche and sold overturn counter sta dealer!

Some of the prices they pay for stuff is mind boggling. There is an EFI conversion thread in the 930 forum that makes me want to scream.

[Corbic]

Corbic how is your subie-powered Porsche coming along? I havent seen you update the thread in awhile.

It goes. No longer a premie so I don't update it here. It's still on Nasioc.
Wasted the summer dicking around with the Boxster and 240. Boxster is sold.

Hopefully the car will be on the road by spring. Got a new idea for the radiator.

[tlieberman240]

Paying for Nakai's design? Then why doesn't that logic apply to Rocket Bunny, Amuse, Sexy Knights, and RUF?

Hmm... I Didn't know Sexy Knights was a brand.

[collegekid]

Guys what the hell are we doing with our lives

[Reece]

Paying for Nakai's design? Then why doesn't that logic apply to Rocket Bunny, Amuse, Sexy Knights, and RUF?

This is a pretty good point

For example, pretty much every uras kit in existence has been knocked off, and no one is complaining about paying for Nomura's design in that case.

I think the main reason why a rep doesn't exist is because this kit's target market actually has that kind of money to spend on this kit if they so choose.

Not enough poor people own 964s to justify replicating this kit. The people who actually want this kit will pay that much for it. Unlike owners of S chassis, Z, AE86, FC, etc.

[Kuma]

Guys what the hell are we doing with our lives

Trying to chase a dream in cars that don't run...

[Corbic]

Hmm... I Didn't know Sexy Knights was a brand.

Sexy Knights is a team/group that developed their own body kit style years ago. This style became known as Sexy Style which is one of the most knocked off kits ever. Same for Hot Road and many others.

Go cruise Version Selet, Chase Aero and Shine Auto, all knock offs.

[Corbic]

Trying to chase a dream in cars that don't run...


#jellytillithurts

[Matej]

Whoever knocks off RWB should do the whole experience complete with Nakai-san-senpai coming over to mooch off you and stay in your guest bedroom for a week.
Except instead of him it would be like Ken Block's cousin or someone.

[!Zar!]

First someone has to purchase a real RWB kit.

Then that person would have to have a mold made of the kit.

After this happens, the individual with knockoff RWB aero would have to find people who would buy said kit. Being as how the market is smaller, the price of the knockoff aero would be quite expensive.


Most people can't seem to keep up with maintaining a Porsche which is stock, let alone try to make a knockoff race car one.

[Kuma]

Whoever knocks off RWB should do the whole experience complete with Nakai-san-senpai coming over to mooch off you and stay in your guest bedroom for a week.
Except instead of him it would be like Ken Block's cousin or someone.

This sounds like the life I want to live. I'll be the Mary Poppins of body kits, traveling from home to home, helping people's cars. Except I'll crash on the couch, smoke pot and scold your dog when it barks.

[dizzariot]

I read this:

Whoever knocks off RWB should do the whole experience complete with Nakai-san-senpai coming over to mooch off you and stay in your guest bedroom for a week.
Except instead of him it would be like Ken Block's cousin or someone.

...and then this:

This sounds like the life I want to live. I'll be the Mary Poppins of body kits, traveling from home to home, helping people's cars. Except I'll crash on the couch, smoke pot and scold your dog when it barks.

...and it was such a good one-two punch a farted when I laughed. A nice booger popped out of my nose when I exhaled out of laughter. Well done.

[Reece]

Matej and Kuma 2015 Zilvia Champs


Can this just be a porsche thread?
http://i.imgur.com/AfX4S1z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FxaX5M6.png
http://i.imgur.com/w0PpHgr.png

[gearhead55]

This sounds like the life I want to live. I'll be the Mary Poppins of body kits, traveling from home to home, helping people's cars. Except I'll crash on the couch, smoke pot and scold your dog when it barks.

fucking hilarious.

[ehhhregartless]

Matej gave me a good laugh

[HyperTek]

First someone has to purchase a real RWB kit.

Then that person would have to have a mold made of the kit.

After this happens, the individual with knockoff RWB aero would have to find people who would buy said kit. Being as how the market is smaller, the price of the knockoff aero would be quite expensive.


Most people can't seem to keep up with maintaining a Porsche which is stock, let alone try to make a knockoff race car one.

This. my first job i worked for a bodykit company.. It wont happen til someone gets a hold of one of his kits, and seems like the only way you getting a kit is through interview and flying the man in to put it together for you. I doubt anyone will want to sacrifice a built car that they paid the man to build.. Not until maybe he passes away and the brand goes with him.

He is smart, he isn't someone young, knows how the game works. Gotta keep food on his plate.

On that note, won't be long til more people get Rocket bunny s14 conversion kits, that one of those falls into the hands of someone with connections in china that will knock it off..

[Terry84]

Terrific Porsche cars.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Most people can't seem to keep up with maintaining a Porsche which is stock, let alone try to make a knockoff race car one.

Parts are actually pretty cheap, provided you don't break a rocker or decide to buy Mahle pistons and cylinders from the dealership.

Who gives a flying funk if someone knocks off RWB? RWB is a luxury brand- part of the whole reason for doing an RWB kit is the fact that the man himself comes out and installs it. If Nakai doesn't install it, you just have a widebody Porsche with knock-off parts.

As someone who's been in the Porsche restoration biz for the past eight years, I dislike Nakai's methods but I certainly cannot fault the man on the popularity of his end product. We have a certain panache associated with our name but it's nothing like the mark-up he achieves.

[Corbic]

Matej and Kuma 2015 Zilvia Champs


Can this just be a porsche thread?



Why not.

Old School RWB Circa 2002.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/Porsche%20911/5843F5AF-1491-44F0-965C-1316656BB3B0_zpsqugbzriu.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/Porsche%20911/5843F5AF-1491-44F0-965C-1316656BB3B0_zpsqugbzriu.jpg.html)


http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/Porsche%20911/F5FA793B-5479-43F1-99AC-2A4E84F36072_zpsdddwgpxc.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/Porsche%20911/F5FA793B-5479-43F1-99AC-2A4E84F36072_zpsdddwgpxc.jpg.html)
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/Porsche%20911/C3964001-6D51-49DB-B2BF-025059E3958B_zpsfnbdacni.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/Porsche%20911/C3964001-6D51-49DB-B2BF-025059E3958B_zpsfnbdacni.jpg.html)

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/Porsche%20911/3A1D7B12-2A6A-4F65-8250-2B82BB547CE4_zpseikoeuq8.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/Porsche%20911/3A1D7B12-2A6A-4F65-8250-2B82BB547CE4_zpseikoeuq8.jpg.html)


http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/Porsche%20911/96C58993-0A26-4404-B7DA-32432D3BA571_zpswf0tgzg1.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/Porsche%20911/96C58993-0A26-4404-B7DA-32432D3BA571_zpswf0tgzg1.jpg.html)

[RB25GUY]

Why not.

Old School RWB Circa 2002.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/Porsche%20911/5843F5AF-1491-44F0-965C-1316656BB3B0_zpsqugbzriu.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/Porsche%20911/5843F5AF-1491-44F0-965C-1316656BB3B0_zpsqugbzriu.jpg.html)


http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/Porsche%20911/F5FA793B-5479-43F1-99AC-2A4E84F36072_zpsdddwgpxc.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/Porsche%20911/F5FA793B-5479-43F1-99AC-2A4E84F36072_zpsdddwgpxc.jpg.html)
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/Porsche%20911/C3964001-6D51-49DB-B2BF-025059E3958B_zpsfnbdacni.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/Porsche%20911/C3964001-6D51-49DB-B2BF-025059E3958B_zpsfnbdacni.jpg.html)

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/Porsche%20911/3A1D7B12-2A6A-4F65-8250-2B82BB547CE4_zpseikoeuq8.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/Porsche%20911/3A1D7B12-2A6A-4F65-8250-2B82BB547CE4_zpseikoeuq8.jpg.html)


http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/Porsche%20911/96C58993-0A26-4404-B7DA-32432D3BA571_zpswf0tgzg1.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/Porsche%20911/96C58993-0A26-4404-B7DA-32432D3BA571_zpswf0tgzg1.jpg.html)


Is stella? if so wow shes come along way!

[Corbic]

Is stella? if so wow shes come along way!


Yes it is.

Also, I love how Japan calls some these cars "930s". It's actually just a regular Carrera (911).


Yes, lots of part numbers moved to 930.xxx.xxx with the '79 SC, but the car is still a SC bodied with a 915 transmission. 930 is the turbo car which not only has wider fenders but the actual suspension is different too.

Several articles stat Nakai's car has a 3.6L engine. I believe that to be a lie. If it was a 964/993 3.6L, it would be dual ignition and either have twin-distributor or a 12-plug 935 distributor. (Jaguar conversion was not available back then).

I do not believe there is a 3.2 -> 3.6 Big Bore conversion either. 3.4 is the only one I see all the time.

Without running dual-ignition I don't believe his car can be making much more then 250whp.

Here is speed hunters also calling it a "1985 930".

http://www.speedhunters.com/2008/09/car_feature_gt_gt_rwb_nakai_porsche_930/

Speed Hunters claims the car is a 3.8L with 360hp.

Eurotuner article showing this beast. "3.8L running on Carbs".

http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/30781888+w660+h440+q80+re0+cr1/eurp_1011_09_o%2brauh_welt_begriff_porsches%2bna_e ngine.jpg

Still not seeing it. Looks like single ignition still.


And finally, in 2011 -


“Stella Artois” 1986 Porsche 911 930
Owner: Akira Nakari
Hometown: Chiba, Japan
Power: 355hp
Engine: 3.8L naturally-aspirated flat-six; fully-built PROMODET engine; PMO individual carbs; RWB titanium exhaust; (2) MSD 7AL-2 ignition boxes, (2) Pro Power coils

Now it looks believable -

http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/34253752+w660+h440+q80+re0+cr1/sstp-1108-07-1986-porsche-911-930%2bengine.jpg

[Corbic]

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/aviary_1400868545094_zpsardh1lur.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/aviary_1400868545094_zpsardh1lur.jpg.html)

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/aviary_1400868167291_zps0lnbwrbc.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/aviary_1400868167291_zps0lnbwrbc.jpg.html)

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/aviary_1400868517080_zpsrzvty2ie.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/aviary_1400868517080_zpsrzvty2ie.jpg.html)

[Corbic]

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/P38s_zps2l5vn54i.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/P38s_zps2l5vn54i.jpg.html)

[RB25GUY]

I've read somewhere that stella started its life as a turbo car, whether he stripped the turbo and or motor swapped it is beyond me.... like you stated i doubt it was a 3.6l in its early life and the more recent pic definitely shows us that it looks like a 3.8L.

[Corbic]

I've read somewhere that stella started its life as a turbo car, whether he stripped the turbo and or motor swapped it is beyond me.... like you stated i doubt it was a 3.6l in its early life and the more recent pic definitely shows us that it looks like a 3.8L.


It was a 1985 SC bodied car (as shown) with a 915 transmission. This means it was a 911 3.2 Carrera (just like mine).

He likely ditched the EFI system and went with a ITB setup. He may have done a 3.4 Big Bore kit (just jugs and Pistons). It would have been a hoot of a car one way or the other.

2,100lbs is pretty standard for a track 911.

I've seen countless Japanese cars and blogs call the late model 1979-1983 911SC and 1984-1989 911 3.2 a "930".

Scans above show this, all three cars are called "930", one is a CIS 3.0, the other a EFI 3.2L.

I suspect the misconception starts with the engines being clearly stamped 930.xxx.xxx. The casting change was the result of the new cases being based off the 3.3 engine platform. A strong departure form the older 2.2, 2.4 and 2.7 engines.

[RB25GUY]

It was a 1985 SC bodied car (as shown) with a 915 transmission. This means it was a 911 3.2 Carrera (just like mine).

He likely ditched the EFI system and went with a ITB setup. He may have done a 3.4 Big Bore kit (just jugs and Pistons). It would have been a hoot of a car one way or the other.

2,100lbs is pretty standard for a track 911.

I've seen countless Japanese cars and blogs call the late model 1979-1983 911SC and 1984-1989 911 3.2 a "930".

Scans above show this, all three cars are called "930", one is a CIS 3.0, the other a EFI 3.2L.

I suspect the misconception starts with the engines being clearly stamped 930.xxx.xxx. The casting change was the result of the new cases being based off the 3.3 engine platform. A strong departure form the older 2.2, 2.4 and 2.7 engines.

You just dropped the knowledge hammer thanks for the info!

[Highway Riding]

I like where this thread ended up :) Porsche FTW

[RitzY33]

I just came here to LOL
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa366/Jave6888/joey-friends_zpsofbggios.jpg (http://s1194.photobucket.com/user/Jave6888/media/joey-friends_zpsofbggios.jpg.html)
Can't see any other reason then this to why this was posted here and not on a PORSCHE community forum. :facepalm:

[Corbic]

I just came here to LOL



Can't see any other reason then this to why this was posted here and not on a PORSCHE community forum. :facepalm:


You know how I know you've never been to Rennlist or Pelican?

[RitzY33]

do tell? because I own a boxster and no one took me seriously over there?

[Corbic]

do tell? because I own a boxster and no one took me seriously over there?


You do? What year? I just sold my '98. Was a hoot and really for what they go for, it's hard to beat the value. 210hp, VVT, pulls hard to redline, 2,800lbs and very easy to work on.

Also, Pelican is more Air Cooled focused, you should try Planet-9.

[RitzY33]

You know how I know you've never been to Rennlist or Pelican?

That was sarcasm I actually have an account with Rennlist when I used to own my 911 its gone now and replaced with a crx
I come here for the laughs and immaturity