View Full Version : I might be getting a 240z!
Brolewigi
07-08-2004, 07:36 AM
As I am finishing up my 240sx/Sr20det project, I have come up apon a 1971 Datsun 240z. It is going to be a project car with my father. I would be buying it off of my friend because he is going into the navy to buy a skyline and marry a 13 year old japaneese girl so he is getting rid of it. Im getting it for 350.00. It needs work. The floor is rusted out completly but he has the new ones so we would have to weld them in. The car runs and it runs well but I was interested in putting a new engine in it. I was wondering the possibilities of different engines for the car. I heard that you can put an Rb26dett in it. I would like to do that. I just want to let my father know what the options are for the car so he can buy all of the parts, hehe. Just wanting to know. Oh if anyone has any good Datsun sites for info, that would be good. thanks.
aznpoopy
07-08-2004, 07:53 AM
wow... i'm kinda jealous. good luck with the car! put up some pics when u get it. :)
brianglawson
07-08-2004, 11:17 AM
im going rb20det, but ther eis so many options
l20 6 cyl not 4
l24 stock but build it, you should have round su's and e31 head
l26
l28
l28 turbo
l31 (l28 bottom, l28 deisel crank, ka24e pistons..blah blah)
l31 turbo (same as above just boosted)
ca18det
fj20det
sr20det
rb20det
rb25det
rb26dett
rb30de
rb20de
rb25de
rb30det (rb30 bottom end with rb25det top)
2jzgte
7mgte
4age
vg30dett
ka24de
ka24e
ive seen all of these of course you could put a stupid american v8 in one, but who would do that?
i cant wait to start working on mine again, i had to put floor pans in mine as well, i have a 72 with l24 with rounds and e31, but rb20det will replace it, hoping for around 400whp:)
brianglawson
07-08-2004, 11:19 AM
oh yeah dont forget q45 v8's:):)
ForceofWill
07-08-2004, 11:23 AM
Put an LS1 in that biotch.
And here is a great site/forum for the old Z's. http://www.hybridz.org
Steeles
07-08-2004, 11:23 AM
motorsport auto in cali has the install kits for a chevy smallblock. I hear those things are damn sick when built. see all this Z talk really is gonna make me build mine up.... damn you people
Zoom8112
07-08-2004, 12:00 PM
i agree, LS1, LT1 are good options.
Bbandit
07-08-2004, 12:27 PM
and I have to second or third that...
LS1/LT1.. parts are easier to come by
and if for some reason, +300rwtq wont satisfy you, turbo that bioatch.
It will be an awesome learning experience too.
something new to play with instead of being stuck at the inline 4/6 cyl world.
well at least thats what i'm going to do if i have a old skool z's project :)
tsunami0ne
07-08-2004, 12:44 PM
wait what? 13 year old japanese girl?
goodjuan
07-08-2004, 01:44 PM
Do it just like this or it's worthless....JK!
http://zhome.com/Dec99/Miya030702.jpg
Good Luck man and keep us updated with pics!
rb powaaaa. I want a 240z badly. The first car I learned to drive on was my mom's 1982 280z and I loved it. I like the older model z's better though. :)
d r i f t swift
07-08-2004, 02:54 PM
i say go for the v8 swap lt1 ls1 even a carbureted 350 would give you more than enough power you could want..nm you could never have enough power. the v8 is probably one of the easier swaps also..
Zemus
07-08-2004, 03:09 PM
Its all about weight with those. Some guy on the forusm has a 500HP SR powered 1900lb 240z, its the SHIIIT, and he wants to throw a CA in their talk about weight reductions and overall awesomness!!
d r i f t swift
07-08-2004, 03:12 PM
holy shit 500hp 1900lbs thats like a go kart. haha
brianglawson
07-08-2004, 04:46 PM
screw v8, lighter cars benefit from fast revving motors, not to mention the sound of a nive I-6, and plus who wants to spend 5 grand on 310 hp when you can spend 4 grand with an sr-ca-rb20 and have just as much and be lighter and better balanced with great sound/revs/and keepin it nissan:)
Ghettokracker71
07-08-2004, 04:58 PM
What he said ^ lol. I was thinking bascially "no gay V8" when I was reading about the V8 thing....You want a chevy,go buy one.
Put an a VH45DETT in that bitch!!!! :rawk: (I found a site along time ago,with a VH45DETT in a fully restored 240z in japan,unfuckingbelieveable,unfuckingbelieveable I tell you! I'll try to find it again...)
mrmephistopheles
07-08-2004, 05:02 PM
SR20DET. Or KA24DET.
fogleroller
07-08-2004, 09:09 PM
SR20DET. Or KA24DET.
DITTO on the SR20DET
AKA Ryan
07-08-2004, 10:15 PM
I love the 240z!!! They look badass from the front with the huge mouth. I say got with an RB or SR. Not only are they lighter, but it will keep your weight distro better balanced. :rawk:
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/9/web/237000-237999/237263_1_full.jpg
ForceofWill
07-09-2004, 12:01 AM
The LS1 is actually a light engine, lighter i believe than the stock 280 motor.
If you think a v8 in there wont get you the power or speed that you want, check out Darius' procharged LT1 http://servinitup.com/videos.shtml Click on third pic for the video.
brianglawson
07-09-2004, 08:21 AM
that q45 v8 twin turbo z is at this site www.zparts.com
Shin_Kudo
07-09-2004, 02:30 PM
I've always liked Zs with Small Blocks. My friend and I have been considering taking this engineless, stripped, 280 and dropping in the biggest V8 we can fit in there.
brianglawson
07-10-2004, 09:19 AM
^^booooooooo
oojpeeoo
07-10-2004, 10:11 PM
mah friend has one and goin with an sr in it...beautiful lookin cars...ill try 2 post pix one hez finished...it should be comin around the corner
Ghettokracker71
07-10-2004, 11:27 PM
Thanks brian I been looking everywhere....
http://www.zparts.com/showcase/engines/pages/q45v8z-testfit.html
Check THAT shit out. (LS-1 that,bitch:fawk: )
RSX-NICE clip
Bbandit
07-10-2004, 11:38 PM
yea thats pimp.
But turbocharge the LS-1 and spend the same amount of $ and you can get the same thing.
Its just that the LS1 will be missing one thing... the dual overhead cams lol
Shin_Kudo
07-11-2004, 01:28 AM
^^booooooooo
Well, I've already got a car slated to have an SR. V8s are so much easier to put in Zs, anyway, 'cause they sell convo kits for 'em.
rednerd
07-11-2004, 01:59 AM
I have seen a 9 second 240z with a ferrari kit body on it. It had a small block chevy in it with a lot of laughing gas. It yanked the wheels wayyyyyyyy off the ground. The guy driver/own was probably in his late 60's.
I like the idea of updating the Datsun/Nissan straight 6 by changing it to an RB. The Z's were pretty heavy compared to a 240sx, I'd be afraid of the SR not having enough off boost torque. And lets face it RB engines just sound soooooo cooooool. Then again so do VQ engines with decent exhaust.
Push rods and spark plug wires suck.
mrmephistopheles
07-11-2004, 02:07 AM
The Z's were pretty heavy compared to a 240sx, I'd be afraid of the SR not having enough off boost torque.
Uhmm no. 240Zs are WAY lighter than 240sxs. On the order of 4-500 pounds lighter. I've seen MANY a modified S30 weighing in at around 2200lbs.
Also, SRs a good NA motors. Even though they're 2 liters, they're not like Honda motors where you have to rev them to infinity to go somewhere. Besides... How often will you be staying out of boost in an SR powered Z?!
bkfill
07-11-2004, 05:44 AM
What he said ^ lol. I was thinking bascially "no gay V8" when I was reading about the V8 thing....You want a chevy,go buy one.
u can't say shit like this
its like saying
u want a rb25det go buy a skyline
go check out www.v8rx7.com
there site is pretty cool usualy they do LS1 swaps but, some guy did a maxima motor in a rx7 2nd gen that was nice
to all the people who hate v8s theres nothing wrong with a v8 its prob even cheaper to find aftermarket parts(if your in the US)
and if u think about it witch 1 will last longer? a 400HP v8 or a 400HP i4
i don't know what to say about the i6/v6s they're cool..
same thing with money wise how much do you think it'll cost you to do the HP you want with a lower cyl car, and how much would it cost you to do it with a 8cyl car
well i dunno what the hell i just said but, what im trying to say is, ALL MOTORS ARE OUR FRIENDS, FROM 3 CYL TO WHATEVER 12CYL
and don't even try to say BLAH BLAH BLAH GAS GUZZLER, turbo cars eat gas too
brianglawson
07-11-2004, 07:24 AM
an american v8 ruins the characteristics of a nice japanese sports car. they dont rev high and scream(without oodles of work) they dont rev all that fast(without some more oodles) the really dont run that smooth, the big and gawky, and they are heavy. you want an american car go buy one, you want japanese, but any jap motor in it, nissan preferably, but so toyota motors are nice:)
brianglawson
07-11-2004, 11:37 AM
thats jsut wrong it looses its japanese characteristics with an american pushrod, chunk of iron.
put a jap motor in it, nisssan preferably, or just build a l28 they can produce mad power
if you want an american motor buy an american car
ForceofWill
07-11-2004, 04:05 PM
I don't think so. And do you know how good a straight piped LS1 sounds coming from an old Z? :yum: :drool:
G_Fish240
07-11-2004, 05:37 PM
I was thinking about a 240z but im afraid of rust!
brianglawson
07-12-2004, 08:19 AM
sorry for the double post back there my computer isnt letting me see like that 5 posts, so i thought the 1st one had messed up
Steeles
07-12-2004, 09:15 AM
thats just dumb. the old Z only had a 7000 redline..oooh a whole 500 RPM. motorsport auto sell your mount kit that plants the Ls1 low and towards the firewall which actually brings the weight closer to the center of gravity than the straight six l26 so how has it affected handling? hmm more power equal the LS1 does NOT weigh a significant amount more than the old L26 and it sits lower and more towards the center of gravity. PLUS you can get crate motors parts etc from damn near anywhere service fromthe most backwoods country bumpkin mehanic in the world and get the motor with a factory warrenty. why wouldnt yuou put one in? cause its not JDM? thats about as dumb a thing as Ive ever heard.
brianglawson
07-12-2004, 10:03 AM
not because its not jdm, i would be happy with a built l28T actually but i want something twin cam, and a little more advanced, but in my personal opinion, a lt1-ls1-or just a plain old 350 do not fit in a sports car, they fit in muscle cars, id love to have a 71 ss 396 camaro, but i wouldnt want a 71 ss 396 240z, the z's are light, nimble SPORTS CARS, that need a sporty motor, not muscle cars, that scream in a straight line only, and rumble the earth on which it rests. the mood of the motor doesnt fit the manor of a z in my opinion. And i know someone is going to say the vette has an lt1 and its a sports car, but thats an opinion all on its own. i like new vettes, and i love new gtos, but they fit with a 350 well, for their namesake, that is the most perfect motor for them, but they are not sports cars in my opinion they are whats left of the muscle car era, and may they live on:) not to mention where can you get a smooth transmission like a jap tranny. Anyone ever heard this about american trannies, "Grind And Go" mustang getrags(same as a supra basically) arent to bad, but a world class t5 chevy or a tremec chevy or t56 is awful in my opinion, very sloppy boxes. but i suppose you could go automatic and kill it a little more....
p.s. i am in no way trying to start a war, i am expressing my opinion, i like muscle cars with americna v8's but they dont belong in a sports car. dont turn this into a flame war, just have an aggressive debate, if anyone cares to reply.
Zemus
07-12-2004, 10:24 AM
If I had to throw a V8 in a Z, Id throw in a Z28 302 (Thats right I said a CHEVY 302) from the 68-69 Camero Z28. Redline is near 9k or somthing crazy like that, along with about close to 400HP stock, bascily a race motor. Also im sure it weights less than a strait 6 iron block
bkfill
07-12-2004, 11:04 AM
an american v8 ruins the characteristics of a nice japanese sports car. they dont rev high and scream(without oodles of work) they dont rev all that fast(without some more oodles) the really dont run that smooth, the big and gawky, and they are heavy. you want an american car go buy one, you want japanese, but any jap motor in it, nissan preferably, but so toyota motors are nice:)
k blah blah blah blah blah blah
LS1s are lighter then a 13B Rotory and those motors are small
it doesn't ruin anything, have you ever heard a real nice set of cams?
that glug glug glug sound sounds so sweet man, a REAL set of cams sound like
potat, potat, potat, potat, potat, potat, potat, potat
high hp the sound of the car will never sound smooth
bkfill
07-12-2004, 11:08 AM
thats just dumb. the old Z only had a 7000 redline..oooh a whole 500 RPM. motorsport auto sell your mount kit that plants the Ls1 low and towards the firewall which actually brings the weight closer to the center of gravity than the straight six l26 so how has it affected handling? hmm more power equal the LS1 does NOT weigh a significant amount more than the old L26 and it sits lower and more towards the center of gravity. PLUS you can get crate motors parts etc from damn near anywhere service fromthe most backwoods country bumpkin mehanic in the world and get the motor with a factory warrenty. why wouldnt yuou put one in? cause its not JDM? thats about as dumb a thing as Ive ever heard.
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Grant
07-12-2004, 11:33 AM
yea thats pimp.
But turbocharge the LS-1 and spend the same amount of $ and you can get the same thing.
Its just that the LS1 will be missing one thing... the dual overhead cams lol
sooo does that mean ya have to use an LT-5? :D
Steeles
07-12-2004, 12:54 PM
not because its not jdm, i would be happy with a built l28T actually but i want something twin cam, and a little more advanced, but in my personal opinion, a lt1-ls1-or just a plain old 350 do not fit in a sports car, they fit in muscle cars, id love to have a 71 ss 396 camaro, but i wouldnt want a 71 ss 396 240z, the z's are light, nimble SPORTS CARS, that need a sporty motor, not muscle cars, that scream in a straight line only, and rumble the earth on which it rests. the mood of the motor doesnt fit the manor of a z in my opinion. And i know someone is going to say the vette has an lt1 and its a sports car, but thats an opinion all on its own. i like new vettes, and i love new gtos, but they fit with a 350 well, for their namesake, that is the most perfect motor for them, but they are not sports cars in my opinion they are whats left of the muscle car era, and may they live on:) not to mention where can you get a smooth transmission like a jap tranny. Anyone ever heard this about american trannies, "Grind And Go" mustang getrags(same as a supra basically) arent to bad, but a world class t5 chevy or a tremec chevy or t56 is awful in my opinion, very sloppy boxes. but i suppose you could go automatic and kill it a little more....
p.s. i am in no way trying to start a war, i am expressing my opinion, i like muscle cars with americna v8's but they dont belong in a sports car. dont turn this into a flame war, just have an aggressive debate, if anyone cares to reply.
hehe I love aggressive debates havernt you noticed? its just to me the engine dosent make it a sports car. I consider muscle cars sports cars. alot of people dont consider anything with 4 cyl a sports car. insurance companies didnt consider the pontiac fiero a sports car. its all semantics. if it goes fast handles great I dont see a problem with it no matter what the combonation. some of the greatest sports cars in history came about because someone had the idea that "hey I like this chassis but the engines lame, lets shove something bigger in there!" its the natural progression of sports cars. the Z went from a 2.4l I6 to a 2.6 to a 2.8 to a 3.0l V6 to a 3.5l...
brianglawson
07-13-2004, 08:28 AM
yeah, but dont forget the 2.0 litre l series though, they had a L20 straight 6, and an l20 inline 4(L20b) :) very very early vin z's had em...and then theres the s20 too, and the l28 with crossflow heads:) but back to main discussion, to me the sound of straight sixes, and inlin 4's, and almost any euro motor, has that nice metallic sound, mostly from the head....there really isnt any american motor that gives ME the same sensation of WOW MAN(tommy chong style) like some good metallic snarl. An american v8 is cool, in muscle to me, the rumble, scattered idle, and roar on the throttle just fits the big, overbearing cars they adorn.
STEELES: a sports car can have any engine to me, but there is a big difference between say a BENZ V8 and a CHHEVY V8, or a FERRARI V8 form a modena, but hell, frankly give me a 88 porsche Twin Turbo, and call it a day, or a nice V12 Jaguar XKE Coupe but hell i really like old triumph TR3's i llike em all, but im more of a sports guy that can go through the twisties, not someone that just likes goin in a straight line, and i like smooth metallic sounding motors, with alot of head noise, not rumbling roaring, peices of detroit iron, but i woukl llike to have at least one muscle car one day, GTO baby:) THE JUDGE, few others i like, not to mention a 74 caddy hearse with a ZZ502 would be the hotness, its all in peoples personal preference
brianglawson
07-13-2004, 08:31 AM
zemus, a chevy 302, honestly i think was only around in 67 alone, but man were they beasts, especially when yenko got a hold of a few of them, my friends father ran across one by complete accident, and ran the vins, through chevy, it was a 67 302 from a camaro, tuned by yenko:):) he got aroun 4k for BARE block with heads,
brianglawson
07-13-2004, 08:35 AM
just did some reading they were around all three years:) no wonder they revved high 4:00 inch bore 3:00 inch stroke:) talkin about oversquare:)
EchoOfSilence
07-13-2004, 03:13 PM
i've seen really clean v8 swaps in Z's. They're fucking sweet.
but the rotary community loves 240z's. Whos' to blame them? with a really small powerplant that sits so low and so far back?
13B streetport + 240Z = FUN
Zemus
07-13-2004, 03:30 PM
zemus, a chevy 302, honestly i think was only around in 67 alone, but man were they beasts, especially when yenko got a hold of a few of them, my friends father ran across one by complete accident, and ran the vins, through chevy, it was a 67 302 from a camaro, tuned by yenko:):) he got aroun 4k for BARE block with heads,
If it was 67 it was a 1968 Modle and made in 67 cuz they only made them for 2 years 68-69.
And yes, id throw a 13B in their, the REV, yum
Ghettokracker71
07-14-2004, 08:46 AM
If it was 67 it was a 1968 Modle and made in 67 cuz they only made them for 2 years 68-69.
Technically you are right,technically your wrong. They sold the camaro,model year 1967 with the 302 engine;it was at the latter part of the year.
It was called the 'MO302' wich nobody wanted at the time b/c nobody wanted small cubes(not knowing of course) and therefore it was hardly sold at all that year. The next year the name was then changed to "DZ302" and by that time the word had started to get out...
The 302 was also tuned by Copo(chevys tuning arm of old,kinda like the TRD back then.) and Berger who tuned/built camaros all the way until their untimely death.
Ghettokracker71
07-14-2004, 08:52 AM
Either way,I still agree with Brian on keeping it Japenese. I'd rather see a 13B in there than an LS-1. Yes,the LS-1 is badass,but if you want an LS-1 retro sports car than buy a 195_ /196_ Corvette and drop it in there:)
brianglawson
07-14-2004, 02:13 PM
mo302 was what it had on it:) sounds like you know them:) its funny though the guy that got it is a ford head and some guy just sold him a 302, and he was tearing it apart, and he said it looked a hell of alot like a 350, so he looked at it a lil and said he got jipped and bought a 350 when someone told him it was a 302(bought sight unseen for one of his many projects) but the guy didnt say it was a ford 302:) he paid like 100$ for the motor too some guy lost alot of money:)
WongFeiHung
07-14-2004, 02:29 PM
All an engine does is put power to the wheels, who cares what country the engine was made/engineered in...
focused
07-14-2004, 03:17 PM
in my personal opinion, a lt1-ls1-or just a plain old 350 do not fit in a sports car, they fit in muscle cars
Isn't a sports car just something that has well rounded; power, braking, and cornering?
All this could be achieved with an LT1.
But if we want to get into it, almost anything, with enough money can be fall into that category.
bkfill
07-14-2004, 07:37 PM
you guys have the wrong idea about rotory man, well one day if you guys do try rotory you'll understand, why would people even start to think about putting v8s in rx7s
well lots of reason but theres 1 more big reason, its more reliable, and man im always paranoid about the apex seals going
and don't listen to some rotory people all they do is have rotory pride, blah blah blah it has no limit to reving
the next time you get in a rotory do me a favor and redline it and tell me where that needle stops at
and when they tell u helicopters use it thats why its so good, tell them helicopters always get checked up
and the blah blah blah about the 3 main moving parts well maybe thats a cool part
if i find the post about rotorys in the forums i'll come back and put it here
Ghettokracker71
07-14-2004, 08:47 PM
mo302 was what it had on it:) sounds like you know them:) its funny though the guy that got it is a ford head and some guy just sold him a 302, and he was tearing it apart, and he said it looked a hell of alot like a 350, so he looked at it a lil and said he got jipped and bought a 350 when someone told him it was a 302(bought sight unseen for one of his many projects) but the guy didnt say it was a ford 302:) he paid like 100$ for the motor too some guy lost alot of money:)
Wow. Well yeah,ford is more famous among young car lovers for having the 302....How do you think they got the idea for it? When they first made it,they litterally posted Chevys MO/DZ302 spec sheet on the wall and went at it :jerkit:
Yes,I used to study chevys way to much :bash:
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