Lol overpriced 240sx are getting stupid

[S13slida]

lol who would consider buying this pos for his asking price??

1992 Nissan 240sx 5-Speed S13 (http://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/3825519368.html)

People are getting crazy with this drift tax lmao

[KiwiZenki]

That's why it's an asking price. Dude would probably be happy if he knew you posted about it.

[Driftwurks]

lol who would consider buying this pos for his asking price??

1992 Nissan 240sx 5-Speed S13 (http://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/3825519368.html)

People are getting crazy with this drift tax lmao

You should see the people asking 11k for a stock Kouki S14 with factory dual cam engine....

[240boi115]

ok wait....thats clean compared to this:1990 NISSAN 240SX S13 MANUAL FACTORY STOCK (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/3824136789.html)
regardless you were that pissed at this that you had to make a thread about it??

[KiLLeR2001]

I think we've hit the threshold at this given point in time. These cars haven't been in production for 15 years. Supply and demand is starting to take effect.

[240boi115]

hahahaha does anyone remember that mint s13 coupe that was on here a while ago that was in some dealership still for sale?? it was going for like 10k. xD

[FORZA MILAN0]

I was just searching craigslist for a new s14 and I thought the same thing.
Im trying to get back in the 240 game, but I do not want to pay anywhere near these asking prices.

And I most certainly do not want somebody's halfassed sr20/rb swap.

[240boi115]

^^^because racecar. lmao. yeah im looking for another s13 coupe and shiiiiiiiiiiz sooo high prices!!!

[theronin]

Its a given, new FnF movie drops, all popular niche imports skyrocket in price. Not that I'm complaining about FnF movies in any way. Just what typically happens.

[breakindrifts]

That's my car & posting.

Thanks for the publicity and your public display of stupidity.
Anyone who uses the term "drift tax" is uneducated and likely broke.

It's called supply & demand to the rest of us who understand basic economics.

[drift freaq]

You noobs have to get off this whole drift tax whining bullshit. 5 years ago complaining about the drift tax might have been valid. Why because they were a ton of cars available compared to today but prices were still up(unless you knew were to get them) . Today finding a clean 240sx is like finding a needle in haystack.

Its not a drift tax its called supply and demand as in every single high school boy wants a 240sx and guess what? There are none!! Usually the only thing for sale is some beat piece of crap some kid put up for sale because he bought it 2-3 years ago trashed it and now wants out.

Sorry if this comes of harsh but its the truth. Cold hard facts. No drift tax more like a lack of supply tax.

[KiLLeR2001]

And to give you guys a little more perspective you can view these threads I made...

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/513402-s13-240sx-breakdown-model.html

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/513294-production-numbers-rare-240sx-colors.html

[FORZA MILAN0]

I completely get the whole supply & demand and its getting harder to find clean ones... but what annoys the shit out of me is when a stock s13 looks like a combination of diarrhea juice,jizz and puke was spread all over it and sat in 115 degree weather and the guy is asking 5k firm.

But I guess I'm "uneducated and likely broke" for not wanting to pay 5k for a shit box filled with vagina spiders.

@breakingdrifts this isn't about your car. just an example.

[breakindrifts]

Msgglength

[FORZA MILAN0]

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[breakindrifts]

Sorry, that is my fault...
I'm just tired of dealing with noobs saying "DRiFt tax" omg! every time I post an unmolested, stock car for sale.

[FORZA MILAN0]

its all good bruh bruh

[cbcm2435]

id buy it, looks like a clean chassis

[humilde_s13]

Lol also over populated broke-ass lowballers dont forget that.

[aziankingz]

I miss my s13's..

WTB unmolested stock s13 for 1500! How many of you guys would laugh at me if I were to open a thread with that subject? Probably a lot of you would - That is why we are seeing an increase in the price for our rust buckets (east coasters). Hell, even if i was asking 3k for a stock s13, some would snicker lol.

[exitspeed]

You noobs have to get off this whole drift tax whining bullshit. 5 years ago complaining about the drift tax might have been valid. Why because they were a ton of cars available compared to today but prices were still up(unless you knew were to get them) . Today finding a clean 240sx is like finding a needle in haystack.

Its not a drift tax its called supply and demand as in every single high school boy wants a 240sx and guess what? There are none!! Usually the only thing for sale is some beat piece of crap some kid put up for sale because he bought it 2-3 years ago trashed it and now wants out.

Sorry if this comes of harsh but its the truth. Cold hard facts. No drift tax more like a lack of supply tax.

Yep. I've said it for years that these cars are going to hold their values and eventually start increasing in value. A lot of people disagree with that, it we're already seeing it starting to happen.

In another 10 years, when everyone just wants to mod 350z's and FRS's, 240's will be old and shit and there will be even less of them around, and that will cause their value to rise further.

[simmode1]

I used to be upset by 'drift tax' prices. Then I realized these cars were actually just remarkably undervalued. Check the prices of Miata's or Z32's. They're all about the same. On the other hand... FC RX7's, MK3 Supras & Lexus SC's are still pretty cheap. Go get one of those.

The more ppl destroy these cars drifting, the higher the remaining chassis's will be valued at. We don't have an endless supply here. Prices will probably settle around what you might see for a decent 510 or 240Z.

Z33's value is plummeting like a rock. Wait a little bit a grab one of those.

[cchondro]

Honestly looking at that car I'd give 2500$
Its not a bad price when you look at the car.

But the problem op of craigslist ad is the title situation
I wouldn't even touch that car nor buy it for that price.

Its a clean car but 3000$ for a salvaged title car is ridiculous and I think that's where op of thread is seeing the whole "drift tax" bs

[Nissansota240]

I used to be upset by 'drift tax' prices. Then I realized these cars were actually just remarkably undervalued. Check the prices of Miata's or Z32's. They're all about the same. On the other hand... FC RX7's, MK3 Supras & Lexus SC's are still pretty cheap. Go get one of those.

Looks like the price of rx7's are on the rise as well hahahaha

1986 Mazda RX7 GXL (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/cto/3822384232.html)

http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc362/Nissansota/Riced/rx7lol_zpsfab86149.png (http://s1208.photobucket.com/user/Nissansota/media/Riced/rx7lol_zpsfab86149.png.html)

[simmode1]

^^^That's FD asking price. That guys crazy. Well, FC's are still cheap in Texas.

Hell, I can buy an RX8 for $5000 down here. Not that I would though...:dead:

[!Zar!]

Don't like it?

Don't buy it.

[TougeLove]

did the you see the 94 FD in here for 12k?!?!?! just cuz toretto drove it, shitttt.

thats not a bad beginning price though.

Have you seen hondas and integras with similar mileage? they are around 3-5k. i think they hit their threshold.

what you need to be on the lookout for is Zs Gs and is300's. they dropped like flies the past couple years and a lot can be had for under 10k which is a deal.

[redline racer510]

Even adults are doing it here in the bay area. There is this old black lady with a dark red s13 hatch 5-speed has like 226K miles and she is asking $3100. I told her nobody is gonna buy it and good luck with sale and she was trying to convince me it was rare and what not and just laughed my ass off all the way to my car and drove off.

[Om1kron]

lol who would consider buying this pos for his asking price??

1992 Nissan 240sx 5-Speed S13 (http://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/3825519368.html)

People are getting crazy with this drift tax lmao

Um I would pay 4000 dollars for an unmolested s13 with an uncracked dashboard and un-ripped seats. As long as all oem emissions equipment was there granted I wanted a daily driver. Maybe even a little more if the paint is immaculate.

People want a high priority item car that's popular and want to complain about entry price, and as soon as you buy it you slap megan this and xxr that on it run it into the ground and then try to make your money back like the shit mods you added, increased the value of the piece of shit car.

I see these threads all of the time, it's fairly simple. Buy a car you can afford, and then keep it to yourself when it doesn't work.

[Kingtal0n]

I literally jumped out of a moving vehicle landed running at 15mph to flag down the owner of this pearl

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/pearl_kouki/P1140451_zps988fdd85.jpg

Im screaming at the top of my lungs while running through traffic "SELL ME YOUUR CARRR!! AHHH (dodges moving vehicle) "HEY HEY SELL ME YOU.." (almost died right there) "pleeease!!!!"

the 16 year old girl driving was like WTF!! But I got it. thats all the counts right? They are worth the risk of death? Nah, Im quick.

[simmode1]

what you need to be on the lookout for is Zs Gs and is300's. they dropped like flies the past couple years and a lot can be had for under 10k which is a deal.
Oh shit yeah... I forgot about the IS300. Just found a couple a 5spds for sell under $9k. Nice.

I guess you should not forget about BMW 3 series too. 330ci isn't bad at all & can be found under $10k too.

[TougeLove]

Haha I was just looking at those last night. 2003 330ci with 98k for 8900. Not a bad track car haha.

[HyperTek]

stock s13s should only cost $800 bucks, so we can all buy them and become the next ken block. =)

Its ludicrous to ask for more, I can only afford $800 so I can put the rest of my money on godspeed coilovers, weld the diff and xxrs. =)

I saw that craigslist ad yesterday and knew some kids where gonna complain, i thought it was fare, good luck finding an unmolested S13.

You can always buy one of these for cheap, im sure this is more up your alley.
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[simmode1]

Damn that fools spring popped out! lol

[tiggertsi]

i've been looking for about 14 different cars for the last 4 months before i finally bought a 96 240sx. i have been to look at more than a few modifed 240's and all of them were utter garbage, as in ruined frame rails and dented body panels. also all of the ones i walked away from shared this in common as well, they were owned and operated by younger "drifters". not one of them would i have paid half of what the buyer was asking after crawling underneath the car and checking the condition of the frame rails and overall health of the chassis.

i finally found an unmolested, all stock, all original, clean titled, 96 240sx base that i paid $3900 for. it runs good, it shifts smooth as silk, it has a crackless dash and more importantly the frame rails have not one dent or scratch on them and the chassis, including body work, is straight. now for the bad; along with a few other minor problems the rear shocks are shot, it has minor timing chain rattle and the clear coat on the roof is peeling. all of which, except the clear coat, will be taken care of in the next week. Just waiting for all the parts to arrive.

[h2v7]

I literally jumped out of a moving vehicle landed running at 15mph to flag down the owner of this pearl



Im screaming at the top of my lungs while running through traffic "SELL ME YOUUR CARRR!! AHHH (dodges moving vehicle) "HEY HEY SELL ME YOU.." (almost died right there) "pleeease!!!!"

the 16 year old girl driving was like WTF!! But I got it. thats all the counts right? They are worth the risk of death? Nah, Im quick.

lol nice snag! may try this someday

[KiwiZenki]

I agree tiggertsi, clean, stock s14s should be priced around 3-4k. I got mine for 3500. The real dilemma is when you throw money into the thing and can't get what it's worth to you back.

[Kingtal0n]

I agree tiggertsi, clean, stock s14s should be priced around 3-4k. I got mine for 3500. The real dilemma is when you throw money into the thing and can't get what it's worth to you back.

thats why/when you do everything right, and keep it.

[FRpilot]

That car actually looks pretty clean and stock. If it was a clean title, I would gladly drop up between $3000 - $3,500 for it. With it being salvaged, I would not pay more than $2,500 for it (Yes, salvage title makes that much difference to me) and even then, I will not buy it.

Even adults are doing it here in the bay area. There is this old black lady with a dark red s13 hatch 5-speed has like 226K miles and she is asking $3100. I told her nobody is gonna buy it and good luck with sale and she was trying to convince me it was rare and what not and just laughed my ass off all the way to my car and drove off.

I think even ordinary people check craigslist to see how much their cars are going for and be like “whoa, people are asking 4000 for these cars, I may as well get mine too”

[wangan_cruiser]

broke asses will always complain about the price of the car.


peasants haha

[tricky_ab]

I agree tiggertsi, clean, stock s14s should be priced around 3-4k. I got mine for 3500. The real dilemma is when you throw money into the thing and can't get what it's worth to you back.

I usually stay out of these conversations, but this part gets me....

Cars in general are the WORST items (Won't use the term investment since there's no real monetary gains) that you could throw money at. Seriously, if you're planning to modify a car, pay to play and enjoy it while you own it.

[Driftwurks]

1994 240sx s13 hatch PEARL WHITE 5-Speed manual (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/3825609198.html)

There you go.

[240boi115]

I usually stay out of these conversations, but this part gets me....

Cars in general are the WORST items (Won't use the term investment since there's no real monetary gains) that you could throw money at. Seriously, if you're planning to modify a car, pay to play and enjoy it while you own it.

im actually going to top you and say a boat is the WORST item to throw money at:keke: but cars come pretty damn close lol i asked the OP to post pics up and its pretty clean but its salvaged which is a nono for me:down:

[240boi115]

1994 240sx s13 hatch PEARL WHITE 5-Speed manual (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/3825609198.html)

There you go.

my god.......its sooooo cleeeean!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tiggertsi]

I usually stay out of these conversations, but this part gets me....

Cars in general are the WORST items (Won't use the term investment since there's no real monetary gains) that you could throw money at. Seriously, if you're planning to modify a car, pay to play and enjoy it while you own it.

yeah you are right. cars are bad investments. unless you can see into the future and know which cars to buy that will increase in value way down the road. there are plenty of muscle cars that i could have gotten "cheap" when i was younger that would have increased in value IF i had a place to store them and not drive them more than once a month and kept them all original.

and you'll never get what you think a car is worth after dumping a lot into it. sometimes, at least this is the case for me, an unmolested, clean titled, stock car is worth far more than a car that has been modified. some mods are just annoyances to the majority of people that are going to buy said car.

[KiLLeR2001]

1994 240sx s13 hatch PEARL WHITE 5-Speed manual (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/3825609198.html)

There you go.

Must be a typo because they never made hatchback models for 1994...

[theronin]

Must be a typo because they never made hatchback models for 1994...

What I was gonna say, but good lord, that's a steal right there. Someone better snatch that up quick.

[05subysti]

id pay 2500 for it lol forreal the car is really clean tho.

[TougeLove]

Must be a typo because they never made hatchback models for 1994...

i believe in japan there were a few hatchbacks that were officially '94.


edit. found a "source"

First generation
(S13)

Production 1989–1994
Body style 2-door coupe
3-door hatchback
2-door convertible

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_240SX

[2slow2go]

damn that hatchback is clean. Fair price for 5 lug+ pearl job+ kouki tails

the rest of the cars in this thread are fuken junk overprice shit. fuck your supply and demand. whoever buys that shit is retarded and not what a normal educated person would buy

and salvage title? you fucken high

[LB 180SX]

i remember i bought my first 240. similar to the one OP put up.. for $500. i guess times have changed.. i think most people that have been around 240's for a while got used to the cheap prices they were going for and the fact that you can find anything you wanted anywhere from forums to junk yards. now days the people new to the 240 scene dont mind paying the 2500 for stock cars people are asking because they never saw how cheap they used to be, so i dont blame the people selling it for that price because they know someone will pay it.. i know it wont be me though! lol

[KiLLeR2001]

i believe in japan there were a few hatchbacks that were officially '94.


In Japan they made the S13 hatchbacks until 1998... They DID NOT produce any hatchbacks for the USA in 1994. If someone can get me the VIN from the vehicle in question I can confirm this through the Nissan FAST database.

[imotion s14]

I paid $13,500 for my kouki. I got ripped off.

[KiLLeR2001]

I paid $13,500 for my kouki. I got ripped off.

Nah. I'm sure you bought a 1998 5 speed, LE, Deep Fuschia, mint conditioned with less than 15,000 miles. Right???

[Driftwurks]

1997 Nissan 240sx (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ctd/3813825497.html)

This is the biggest joke of all. Flat black paint with what i'm assuming is the original Cobalt Green on the door jams, "SE" model with base model interior. This car is complete trash.

[theronin]

1997 Nissan 240sx (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ctd/3813825497.html)

This is the biggest joke of all. Flat black paint with what i'm assuming is the original Cobalt Green on the door jams, "SE" model with base model interior. This car is complete trash.

Automatic, ewwwwwww

[imotion s14]

Nah. I'm sure you bought a 1998 5 speed, LE, Deep Fuschia, mint conditioned with less than 15,000 miles. Right???

pearl white automatic with 64k on the OD of course that was 14 years ago haha

[Kingtal0n]

yall are forgetting something about the cost and value of storage. Take a random SE model Kouki for instance. One sits outside for years and the other sits in a garage.

Today both are for sale. One was beat on by the sun and rain the other sat in a cool calm environment. They both cant be worth the same price? Obviously the one that sat in the garage is worth more. Now, imagine a single owner that also never drove the car. Say he bought it brand new, put a couple miles on it, THEN let it sit in the garage for 16 years.

Now, isnt that car worth MORE than when he bought it originally? forget about color/transmission/5lug/etc. The price of the chassis has gone up because it came through to us from 16 years ago untouched.

[VNG704]

It depends on why it was salvage titled. Was it in an accident or theft? What was damaged during theft? What kind of accident? Did it roll over? Frame damage? Because an insurance company will salvage title a vehicle based on cost to repair vs a certain percentage of the car's price. That means the car isn't necessarily f*cked up just because of it being a salvage or rebuilt titled. In fact, the cheapskates should be looking into a salvage or rebuilt titled car. Especially since most these guys will ruin it anyway. Prestine condition cars, majority of the time, will come with a premium price. Specialty cars will hold value to certain people. I bought an e36 m3 sedan for $6k and sold it for $5.6k, 5 years later at 150k miles. How? I sold it to someone who was especially looking for exactly what an e36 m3 is. The general population would look at kbb and turn away but not the enthusiast who knows what to look for. Hell, e30 M3s cost more than e36 m3s these days. I don't know if a 240sx is a specialty car but I know that for the most part, only certain people search for a 240sx, so in a way, it is a specialty. That is why their prices stay up there. Basically, if you think the price is too high and others think it's fair, then the car isn't for you.

[FRpilot]

1997 Nissan 240sx (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ctd/3813825497.html)

This is the biggest joke of all. Flat black paint with what i'm assuming is the original Cobalt Green on the door jams, "SE" model with base model interior. This car is complete trash.

Is that from that one shady shop in socal that list themselves as a dealer on CL ads and has a ton of s14s, s13s, and AE86 in stock? It sure looks like it based on all those s14s in the background and the location.


It depends on why it was salvage titled. Was it in an accident or theft? What was damaged during theft? What kind of accident? Did it roll over? Frame damage? Because an insurance company will salvage title a vehicle based on cost to repair vs a certain percentage of the car's price. That means the car isn't necessarily f*cked up just because of it being a salvage or rebuilt titled.

I get what you're saying, but to me, salvaged is salvaged. Even with theft, some dude has violated that car and you don't know what they did to it or with it. Some people with OCD will never get over that fact.

It's like if a girl got raped, would you call her a virgin still? Some people may consider her a born again virgin if she was celibate for a few years, but I think most people wouldn't. (I know this analogy sounds harsh to rape victims, but it's a fact by definition and how each person interprets things. I guess that's why I am an Atheist)

[tiggertsi]

some dude has violated that car and you don't know what they did to it or with it.


i have had exactly the same feeling looking at clean titled cars in my search for a 240 so i really do not know how this would apply any differently to a salvaged titled vs non-salvaged titled car. either way you have no way of knowing what the previous owner has done to "violate" the car. 2 of the 240s i went to look at, according to the CL ad, had "never been drifted" and yet when i went to look at the car the frame rails are shot to hell and the whole underside of the car is sketchy. now that doesn't mean the cars were drifted in any way but some kind of abuse had to account for the condition of the underside of the cars. i definitely wouldn't call those cars "virgins" by any means, which is why i walked away from them.

it's also always amusing to see how the seller of a car reacts when you start to crawl under the car so you can inspect things. though some people never worry about doing that when they look at a car.

[FRpilot]

Yea that's true with previous owners but thieves tend to be more harsh towards cars. I wouldn't want to deal with a car that cut wires that was fixed by soldering them back or an ignition that got something jammed in it. I could probably deal with a clean title car that was semi trashed with mismatched primered panels and tons of knockoff parts since those are easier to replace. Most of all, to me the "salvage" title means it has a blemish. I know, OCD kicking in again.

[Matej]

Have you fellows seen the prices of running KA24DE's lately?
I think it fantastic how high the 240SX prices are climbing.
It will be a glorious day when poor people cannot afford to buy these cars anymore and treat them as throwaway drift cars or whatever silly reason they want them for.

[SharkMan]

Have you fellows seen the prices of running KA24DE's lately?
I think it fantastic how high the 240SX prices are climbing.
It will be a glorious day when poor people cannot afford to buy these cars anymore and treat them as throwaway drift cars or whatever silly reason they want them for.

Ya, ka's used to be hella cheap. IMO out here in cali prices are being inflated duet to the fact that the newer smog/emissions laws are tearing it up.

[tiggertsi]

Have you fellows seen the prices of running KA24DE's lately?
I think it fantastic how high the 240SX prices are climbing.
It will be a glorious day when poor people cannot afford to buy these cars anymore and treat them as throwaway drift cars or whatever silly reason they want them for.

which is why i'd rather spend more money for a clean stock 240 than for one that has been drifted and modded or turned into an mp3 player with wheels.

[johnydoesit]

totally agree with Matej

I love the fact that with a higher price, fewer idiots will own them.

I got lucky and only payed 1200 for my running s13 coupe with a single cam.

As stated before, supply and demand is the cause for the higher prices.

I assure that all you people complaining wouldn't be if you were already owners.

Sure these cars aren't and were never Ferraris or Porshes, but they obviously are special in some way if they have such a demand.

So now why would we owners not try to get as much possible for a special car that has such a demand?

[tiggertsi]

As stated before, supply and demand is the cause for the higher prices.
So now why would we owners not try to get as much possible for a special car that has such a demand?

i see the same thing happening to geo metros just look on CL or ebay. it's not just 240s. particularly in this worsening economy.
but that could also have alot to do with inflation as well, meaning it takes more dollars to buy the same thing that it took less dollars to buy in the past. because the value of said dollar is declining every year. i remember when paying 1.50 for a gallon of gas was horrendous. but i am just rambling now so .....................

[johnydoesit]

i see the same thing happening to geo metros...

This is also definitely part of it.

I remember when you could find a mint 90's corolla for just over 1000. Now the same corolla is at least 2000

[Kanto]

Maybe with the higher prices, the community will lose more broke drift kids and the 240 name can become more respectable

[VNG704]

It's like if a girl got raped, would you call her a virgin still? Some people may consider her a born again virgin if she was celibate for a few years, but I think most people wouldn't. (I know this analogy sounds harsh to rape victims, but it's a fact by definition and how each person interprets things. I guess that's why I am an Atheist)Ofcourse she's not a virgin. But I would date her if she had the characteristics I was looking for if I was looking. You only date virgins? Man, must be a hard search. If you know what to look for in a car, then you have an good idea of how a car was handled. Remember, a clean title can be just as bad, you just wouldn't know because the title is clean.

[ZX88]

i paid 3500 for my s13 8 years ago. 3k is far in my books if the chassis is straight, clean, and stock.

[FRpilot]

I know what you mean. A clean title car could be just as neglected and abused as a salvage title car and a salvage title car could have just been a minor theft that the insurance company decided to not pay for and just salvage.

It was a bad analogy. I should probably have compared the salvage title to someone who has a criminal record and finding employment. Dude could have went to jail for robbery, spent some time in jail, and found their calling to give their life to god, AND most employers would not give him a chance and hire him because of the blemish he has on his record.

In all honesty, the car in the OP's post looks really clean and even if everything else checks out, I would still not buy it because it has a salvage title because like I stated earlier:

Most of all, to me the "salvage" title means it has a blemish. I know, OCD kicking in again.

Maybe I can be picky because I live in California and there is still a very small handful of good cars left (even though it's pretty rare to see one pop-up for sale nowadays), which allows me to be more picky because both salvage and clean title cars are available to me. I don't have a reason to settle for a salvage title car if I can find a clean title car that I would be willing to pay a premium for.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Nah. I'm sure you bought a 1998 5 speed, LE, Deep Fuschia, mint conditioned with less than 15,000 miles. Right???

Thats what I paid for my red 1997 5 speed LE, red, mint from a dealer with 26,000...




















in 2001...

[Boost_Fiend]

I was thinking of selling my sr coupe for 4k. If you think that stock hatch is worth that much then you are crazy... especially with that salvage title. Call it what you want but thats a drift tax. I just sold a vert with 75,000 on the dash for 2500 and I thought that was a little to high. Get back to reality bro.