Thinking about buying a Skyline? READ THIS THREAD FIRST!!!

[MC.Understeer]

Sold!!!!!!

[xGUNKX]

I might be interested in this soon

[Superaison]

i very much will be soon i def am interested

[rb27dets14]

Lsx turbo Kouki mint.....u ship both :)

[hobbs]

This should go quick, any pictures of the rust?

[MC.Understeer]

This should go quick, any pictures of the rust?


I will have more pictures today and will keep updating pictures till it sells.

[jk26]

Great price for a fed legal r32, gtr or not this is gonna sell really quick and someone's getting an awesome deal.

[wvexeaterw]

Pm sent thanks

[jcruz85]

First one ive seen since I joined that that's federally approved....free bump.

[kcsil80]

free bump! this things crispy!

[Knuckshaft]

Can you post pics of the bond release, and the vin on the vehicle?

[MC.Understeer]

Can you post pics of the bond release, and the vin on the vehicle?


Yeah not happening. Might as well make a post explaing the hell I went through to do this. Not having this info on the internet. This is between me and the buyer. Sorry

[Mofuhcka]

Great price goddamn, glws sexy R32

[Knuckshaft]

It was for me. I'm looking for a federally legal car and that is by far the cheapest fed legal one ive seen. Makes me kinda Leary about it.

Second off how the heck does that explain how you got it legal. I know what a bond release states and it doesn't tell you how it made it legal, it just states that it now conforms.

[RHDAmerica]

^^^ I wouldn't give out personal info on a car either... If you're serious I would pm and maybe give info like that... ;) ...

[MrSanchez925]

It was for me. I'm looking for a federally legal car and that is by far the cheapest fed legal one ive seen. Makes me kinda Leary about it.

Second off how the heck does that explain how you got it legal. I know what a bond release states and it doesn't tell you how it made it legal, it just states that it now conforms.


this.

10k for a fed legal skyline?

something isn't right.....

[zane]

this.

10k for a fed legal skyline?

something isn't right.....

:squint:
this............ glws

[Knuckshaft]

Not only that but 96-98 r33s are the only one on the import list

[brewster240]

In for pics of accord headlights

[Rag]

In for actual proof of legality apart from buyer word of mouth.

[ng26]

bump for a dope car! hope its all legit.

[MC.Understeer]

In for actual proof of legality apart from buyer word of mouth.

When someone comes to pick up the car they'll have all the proof they need before handing over any money. I don't to prove anything to everyone on zilvia, I've sold 4 skylines on here I don't need to start posting federal documents on the internet.

[MC.Understeer]

Not only that but 96-98 r33s are the only one on the import list

Are you posting facts or things you read online? I don't think you've actually imported a jdm car let alone as many as I have. This is THE only one Federally legalized that I own.

[singlecamslam]

Black 2002 Is 300 WAGON? Pm me if interested at all. 111k miles runs great. I'm guessing even though its legal in the US its probably still not legal in CA? Since we're our own communist car country down here.

[Vandrel]

Are you posting facts or things you read online? I don't think you've actually imported a jdm car let alone as many as I have. This is THE only one Federally legalized that I own.

I could spend all day quoting the federal rules and regulations for importing but it'd be a waste of my time because Knuckshaft already pointed out the blemish of this sale post.

If this car is a bond released car then you can simply PM me the VIN and I'd be happy to verify it and vouch for this car on here. If you don't know who I am you can stroll over to SkylineOwnersUSA.com and read a bit ;)

[MC.Understeer]

I could spend all day quoting the federal rules and regulations for importing but it'd be a waste of my time because Knuckshaft already pointed out the blemish of this sale post.

If this car is a bond released car then you can simply PM me the VIN and I'd be happy to verify it and vouch for this car on here. If you don't know who I am you can stroll over to SkylineOwnersUSA.com and read a bit ;)

I could spend the day quoting things on the internet but as I pointed out already I don't need to prove anything about the car to anyone other than the buyer. I have all my paperwork for what ive stated I have for sale. So I don't care who you are on the internet.

[Knuckshaft]

No but if you knew who he was in real life and what he has been through you might be singing a different tune. You can read all kinds of shit on the Internet and it looks like that's all you've done. If you can't post up a vin and bond release you are full of shit or its vin swapped.

[Vandrel]

I could spend the day quoting things on the internet but as I pointed out already I don't need to prove anything about the car to anyone other than the buyer. I have all my paperwork for what ive stated I have for sale. So I don't care who you are on the internet.

That is perfectly fine. We (SOUSA) have seen hundreds of sellers just like you since 2006. Same deal different person.

The offer stands. By not posting the bond release, HS7 or VIN you are only opening yourself up to having DHS paying you a visit after they find this thread.

Again, only trying to help you out here. Offer stands.

EDIT: For anyone thinking of buying this car, please do some research. Jump on SkylineOwnersUSA.com and ask before investing any time or money in travling to visit a shady car. We have plenty of people who have been there and done that in this market.

For everyone's information, R32's are not open for import except for NISMO GTR models under show/display. 96-98 R33's are open to import but there's only one known place that can do the OBDII for the EPA conformance and they are refusing to do any more. Only select R34's are open for import and they are few and far between (basically don't exist).

The only other bond released Skylines you will find are old Motorex cars, period.

Cars from Canada are not federally legal and do not carry a bond release from OVSC (NHTSA). Taking a Canadian titled Skyline to the DMV and managing to get a U.S. title for the car does not mean it's federally legal. If there's no bond release from NHTSA/OVSC, no HS7, and no EPA form then it's not legal.

18 months and you can all get a 89' R32 for practically nothing.

I'm not crapping on your thread but I've seen far too many buyers spending time and money to go out of their way to look at and purchase an illegal car that they had no idea was illegal because they were not educated enough. Some people are fine with getting a non-federally legal car, to each their own. But fact is, U.S. title does not = legal. No bond release = always subject to seizure.

EDIT: Adding this to my fist post so it's more visible to folks who have no clue about this sort of stuff

Clearly you cannot read and have went onto a new subject of your own. Read a little better. I have my Federal paperwork all lined up for the person that's buying the car. Anything you're saying is meaningless.

Ok cool....... it's been years since I really needed to use this and I don't feel like retyping it.

I'm just going to leave this right here



(Note Telephone Area Code is "202" Except for San Angelo Test Facility)

IMPORT AND CERTIFICATION
DIVISION (NVS-223)
Coleman Sachs, Chief
Kristi Bragdon, 366-5291
Administrative Assistant
E-Mail: [email protected]
FAX: 366-1024

Dick Merritt
- Compliance Certification of Canadian Imports
- Show or Display Exemption
- Temporary Importation for research,
investigations, demonstrations, or training
- Importation of Small Motor
Scooters (pocket bikes, mini-ninjas,
mini-choppers, etc)
- Importation of Race Vehicles
Both of them hate Skylines to the fullest. Even Sean Morris will tell you that.

All you have to do is say, "Hey, I have a company called Next Level Motorsports selling me a Nissan Skyline R34 from Japan, they said that Nissan of Japan is making it meet FMVSS and EPA regulations and then Next Level Motorsports is shipping it to the US. Is that legal and will my Nissan Skyline R34 clear customs and be able to be titled and used for On-Road use?"

Answer from them, "No, and can you give me the contact information for Next Level Motorsports?"

Then we'll see Next Level Motorsports on the latest headlines for being raided by ICE like Kaizo and the rest of the yahoos.

Again, Next Level Motorsporst is NOT a Registered Importer nor a Independant Commercial Importer and Nissan of Japan cannot and will not certify Japanese Domestic Market vehicles as meeting U.S. Federal Motor Vehcile Safety Standards when it's already been proven that they do not meet those standards and are not legal for import.

That means they cannot legally bring a car into this country in any way, shape, or form. That furthermore means that whatever car they try and get you to pay for so they can ship it to the U.S. will have a 80% chance of being marked for serizing before it even lands at the port. There was a service member stationed in Japan that had his R32 GTR sent to California when he PCS'd, needless to say it was tagged and bagged before it even landed.

In order for a vehicle to enter this country, a Bill of Lading must be sent in along with a HS-7. What those documents contain are the VIN# and year/make/model of any vehicles that are arriving and what they are arriving for. In order for a vehicle to leave customs it has to be "cleared" and "approved" by Customs Boarder Patrol (CBP) who in turn clears it through the NHTSA.

Ports are secure locations, meaning Joe Shmuckatelli cannot just walk up in that place, you have to go to a entry checkpoint office and check in with the duty, you have to state your business, you have to have papers for your shipment that you are picking up and they must review them. They physically call down to the docks and varify everything and "IF" you are allowed to enter you must be escorted the entire time. Nothing enters or leaves without being checked and rechecked, just like a military entry control point for a base but worse.

To keep things simple, when you call the OVSC and talk to either Coleman Sachs or Dick Merritt, simply give them the VIN# to the vehcile you are trying to import or just the year/make/model and ask them if it's legal for importing. They are the final, say all, end of ends, word. No matter what Joe Shmoe at Next Level tells you, what those folks at the OVSC tell you is the LAW.

For reference: http://skylineownersusa.com/files/ovscorgchart.pdf

I don't care what you say or what papers you have there showing you had someone drive the car into the country from Canada in December 2012. Your car is NOT federally legal, period. You simply had a lucky stroke (if your papers are legit) where CBP did not do their job. That car is subject to seizure at all times.

For those who did not read the above quote I made years ago, simply call the above provided phone number and give them a VIN to verify. They keep a complete active database of all cars (Skylines included) that have entered the country legally. If they don't have a record of the VIN it's not legal. End of story.

18 U.S.C. §545
"Whoever knowingly and willfully, with intent to defraud the United
States, smuggles, or clandestinely introduces any merchandise which
should be invoiced, or makes out or passes, or attempts to pass, any
false, forged or fraudulent invoices, or other document or paper; or
whoever fraudulently or knowingly imports or brings into the United
States any merchandise contrary to law, or buys such merchandise after
importation, knowing the same to have been imported or brought into
the United States contrary to law may be fined or imprisoned."

Items that fall under 18 U.S.C. §545 are subject to seizure and forfeiture.

JDM Imports and Next Level are not approved or authorized to conduct
importation of motor vehicles subject to FMVSS and EPA regulations.
Regardless of whether they do so or not, any attempt they make is,
again, a violation of law as noted above per 18 U.S.C. §545. Any
vehicle that they handle which is required to be bond released will be
subject to seizure and forfeiture, even after they've entered the
country and received a U.S. motor vehicle title. Only a "Registered
Importer" approved by the NHTSA may import and modify such vehicles
that require a bond release, vehicles that do not pass through the
proper channels are forever subject to seizure and forfeiture per 18
U.S.C. §545, even after they reach exemption year (25 years old).


I am quoting Next Level Motorsports info from years ago because it's relevant to whoever imported that car. I'm also shocked that http://www.pcbusa.com/ would have signed off on such a case.

As others stated, no one cares if the car isn't legal. People care when the car is misrepresented to be legal. It's nothing shy of shady and utter bullshit to try and dupe a buyer into thinking that car is legal at all. Tell the truth, let them know what they are getting into, you will find people who are willing to accept the risks.

Lastly, with a Canadian VIN I'm sure posting pictures of that car over on GTRCanada.com would yield some interesting feedback from the community there. People talk.

[Piggy]

http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/500197-2001-lexus-gs300-bagged-crazy-color.html


I'd be willing to do anything and everything in my power to work out a deal.

[MC.Understeer]

That is perfectly fine. We (SOUSA) have seen hundreds of sellers just like you since 2006. Same deal different person.

The offer stands. By not posting the bond release, HS7 or VIN you are only opening yourself up to having DHS paying you a visit after they find this thread.

Again, only trying to help you out here. Offer stands.

EDIT: For anyone thinking of buying this car, please do some research. Jump on SkylineOwnersUSA.com and ask before investing any time or money in travling to visit a shady car. We have plenty of people who have been there and done that in this market.

For everyone's information, R32's are not open for import except for NISMO GTR models under show/display. 96-98 R33's are open to import but there's only one known place that can do the OBDII for the EPA conformance and they are refusing to do any more. Only select R34's are open for import and they are few and far between (basically don't exist).

The only other bond released Skylines you will find are old Motorex cars, period.

Cars from Canada are not federally legal and do not carry a bond release from OVSC (NHTSA). Taking a Canadian titled Skyline to the DMV and managing to get a U.S. title for the car does not mean it's federally legal. If there's no bond release from NHTSA/OVSC, no HS7, and no EPA form then it's not legal.

18 months and you can all get a 89' R32 for practically nothing.

I'm not crapping on your thread but I've seen far too many buyers spending time and money to go out of their way to look at and purchase an illegal car that they had no idea was illegal because they were not educated enough. Some people are fine with getting a non-federally legal car, to each their own. But fact is, U.S. title does not = legal. No bond release = always subject to seizure.

Clearly you cannot read and have went onto a new subject of your own. Read a little better. I have my Federal paperwork all lined up for the person that's buying the car. Anything you're saying is meaningless.

[two40z]

man its so damn difficult to even buy a skyline and even more difficult to sell one, it seems like. OP glws!

[garagespec]

Clearly you cannot read and have went onto a new subject of your own. Read a little better. I have my Federal paperwork all lined up for the person that's buying the car. Anything you're saying is meaningless.

Haha.

You're arguing with the wrong dude. And someone will still buy it even if its grey especially for your asking price.

[Knuckshaft]

Actually it's not meaning less. Federal law is federal law. Only r32s with bond releases are motorex. Pretty simple actually. I guess you didn't get the part where I said I'm VERY interested in the car. If you do have the federal paperwork at least email or pm me photos of it. I have not seen a fed legal r32 sell that cheap. And if it is legit I want it. I'm not flying all the way up to Washington to look at the paperwork, and find out its bogus. If I buy, I plan on driving this thing home back to Texas. Prove its legit so we can make this happen.

[thedr1ftkid]

i think his point was to shut the fuck up and get out of his thread.

PNW bump, sweet r32

[drscooper]

glws man everyone is blowing up this thread

[maxmumboom]

I could spend the day quoting things on the internet but as I pointed out already I don't need to prove anything about the car to anyone other than the buyer. I have all my paperwork for what ive stated I have for sale. So I don't care who you are on the internet.

I call bullshit. Show proof the hs-7 document, you bond release from the Nhtsa, your vin, what company did such conversion and when?

If its just a state titled car thats fine. To misrepresent it as anything else is wrong. I pmed about this. Im all for people owning these, but to misrepresent something isnt right
As for prices, motorex cars have gone between $20-80k. A 96-98 jk tech r33 is close to $100k and theres plenty of documention on it.

Op where is your documentation to support your claim?
Ill pay double of your asking price once it release is confirmed.

[MC.Understeer]

stateI call bullshit. Show proof the hs-7 document, you bond release from the Nhtsa, your vin, what company did such conversion and when?

If its just a state titled car thats fine. To misrepresent it as anything else is wrong. I pmed about this. Im all for people owning these, but to misrepresent something isnt right
As for prices, motorex cars have gone between $20-80k. A 96-98 jk tech r33 is close to $100k and theres plenty of documention on it.

Op where is your documentation to support your claim?
Ill pay double of your asking price once it release is confirmed.


You guys are the only ones misrepresenting anything. I never said I had it state titled or
Bond released. I said it was federally approved and imported legally and 100% meets dot regulations with a registered Canadian vin. I know the difference, clearly its you guys that can't read and assuming its state registered and titled.

[ryandh]

I call bullshit. Show proof the hs-7 document, you bond release from the Nhtsa, your vin, what company did such conversion and when?

If its just a state titled car thats fine. To misrepresent it as anything else is wrong. I pmed about this. Im all for people owning these, but to misrepresent something isnt right
As for prices, motorex cars have gone between $20-80k. A 96-98 jk tech r33 is close to $100k and theres plenty of documention on it.

Op where is your documentation to support your claim?
Ill pay double of your asking price once it release is confirmed.

I'd pay double too john.

to OP: It's not bond released, and it's not federally legal. You and I know both know it. whether or not you have sold skylines before is beside the point. You managed to slip between the cracks, which is fine...But don't misrepresent the car as federally legal. If it is federal, you would have no issue posting the bond release, but you won't. It's an awesome car, and I hope you sell it, but it's just not fed legal, so don't say it is. There is nothing wrong with having a state legal/titled car.

[ryandh]

state


You guys are the only ones misrepresenting anything. I never said I had it state titled or
Bond released. I said it was federally approved and imported legally and 100% meets dot regulations with a registered Canadian vin. I know the difference, clearly its you guys that can't read and assuming its state registered and titled.

:picardfp:
you won't have an issue selling at this price.... But your statement is just wrong. good luck, I'll leave it at that.

[MC.Understeer]

:picardfp:
you won't have an issue selling at this price.... But your statement is just wrong. good luck, I'll leave it at that.

No you retards are just reading what you want to hear. In order to get this car in the states legally it has to be approved by the feds. Which is what I did and have all the paperwork with the federal goverment stamped approval. Once again you guys keep saying state titled and I never said it was.

[ryandh]

No you retards are just reading what you want to hear. In order to get this car in the states legally it has to be approved by the feds. Which is what I did and have all the paperwork with the federal goverment stamped approval. Once again you guys keep saying state titled and I never said it was.

no reason to get upset.
Good luck with your sale broham!

[brewster240]

No you retards are just reading what you want to hear. In order to get this car in the states legally it has to be approved by the feds. Which is what I did and have all the paperwork with the federal goverment stamped approval. Once again you guys keep saying state titled and I never said it was.

Prove it.
:drama:

[Knuckshaft]

Prove it.
:drama:

That's what I'm saying, prove it and its sold.

[MC.Understeer]

That's what I'm saying, prove it and its sold.

posting custom bond release and nothing else. Price is going up now.

[MC.Understeer]

That's what I'm saying, prove it and its sold.


I'm not selling you the car even if you had 20k cash.

Posted proof I have NHTS paperwork so kick rocks.

[Oakville]

Even 15 is a little low mon frere. Not a bad setup, its rare to find JDM cars that were revinned in Canada with government 17-digit vins. Ontario stopped doing that a few years back (word of mouth). I still roll with the 12-digit vin.

GLWS dude!

[Vandrel]

Clearly you cannot read and have went onto a new subject of your own. Read a little better. I have my Federal paperwork all lined up for the person that's buying the car. Anything you're saying is meaningless.

Ok cool....... it's been years since I really needed to use this and I don't feel like retyping it.

I'm just going to leave this right here



(Note Telephone Area Code is "202" Except for San Angelo Test Facility)

IMPORT AND CERTIFICATION
DIVISION (NVS-223)
Coleman Sachs, Chief
Kristi Bragdon, 366-5291
Administrative Assistant
E-Mail: [email protected]
FAX: 366-1024

Dick Merritt
- Compliance Certification of Canadian Imports
- Show or Display Exemption
- Temporary Importation for research,
investigations, demonstrations, or training
- Importation of Small Motor
Scooters (pocket bikes, mini-ninjas,
mini-choppers, etc)
- Importation of Race Vehicles
Both of them hate Skylines to the fullest. Even Sean Morris will tell you that.

All you have to do is say, "Hey, I have a company called Next Level Motorsports selling me a Nissan Skyline R34 from Japan, they said that Nissan of Japan is making it meet FMVSS and EPA regulations and then Next Level Motorsports is shipping it to the US. Is that legal and will my Nissan Skyline R34 clear customs and be able to be titled and used for On-Road use?"

Answer from them, "No, and can you give me the contact information for Next Level Motorsports?"

Then we'll see Next Level Motorsports on the latest headlines for being raided by ICE like Kaizo and the rest of the yahoos.

Again, Next Level Motorsporst is NOT a Registered Importer nor a Independant Commercial Importer and Nissan of Japan cannot and will not certify Japanese Domestic Market vehicles as meeting U.S. Federal Motor Vehcile Safety Standards when it's already been proven that they do not meet those standards and are not legal for import.

That means they cannot legally bring a car into this country in any way, shape, or form. That furthermore means that whatever car they try and get you to pay for so they can ship it to the U.S. will have a 80% chance of being marked for serizing before it even lands at the port. There was a service member stationed in Japan that had his R32 GTR sent to California when he PCS'd, needless to say it was tagged and bagged before it even landed.

In order for a vehicle to enter this country, a Bill of Lading must be sent in along with a HS-7. What those documents contain are the VIN# and year/make/model of any vehicles that are arriving and what they are arriving for. In order for a vehicle to leave customs it has to be "cleared" and "approved" by Customs Boarder Patrol (CBP) who in turn clears it through the NHTSA.

Ports are secure locations, meaning Joe Shmuckatelli cannot just walk up in that place, you have to go to a entry checkpoint office and check in with the duty, you have to state your business, you have to have papers for your shipment that you are picking up and they must review them. They physically call down to the docks and varify everything and "IF" you are allowed to enter you must be escorted the entire time. Nothing enters or leaves without being checked and rechecked, just like a military entry control point for a base but worse.

To keep things simple, when you call the OVSC and talk to either Coleman Sachs or Dick Merritt, simply give them the VIN# to the vehcile you are trying to import or just the year/make/model and ask them if it's legal for importing. They are the final, say all, end of ends, word. No matter what Joe Shmoe at Next Level tells you, what those folks at the OVSC tell you is the LAW.

For reference: http://skylineownersusa.com/files/ovscorgchart.pdf

I don't care what you say or what papers you have there showing you had someone drive the car into the country from Canada in December 2012. Your car is NOT federally legal, period. You simply had a lucky stroke (if your papers are legit) where CBP did not do their job. That car is subject to seizure at all times.

For those who did not read the above quote I made years ago, simply call the above provided phone number and give them a VIN to verify. They keep a complete active database of all cars (Skylines included) that have entered the country legally. If they don't have a record of the VIN it's not legal. End of story.

18 U.S.C. §545
"Whoever knowingly and willfully, with intent to defraud the United
States, smuggles, or clandestinely introduces any merchandise which
should be invoiced, or makes out or passes, or attempts to pass, any
false, forged or fraudulent invoices, or other document or paper; or
whoever fraudulently or knowingly imports or brings into the United
States any merchandise contrary to law, or buys such merchandise after
importation, knowing the same to have been imported or brought into
the United States contrary to law may be fined or imprisoned."

Items that fall under 18 U.S.C. §545 are subject to seizure and forfeiture.

JDM Imports and Next Level are not approved or authorized to conduct
importation of motor vehicles subject to FMVSS and EPA regulations.
Regardless of whether they do so or not, any attempt they make is,
again, a violation of law as noted above per 18 U.S.C. §545. Any
vehicle that they handle which is required to be bond released will be
subject to seizure and forfeiture, even after they've entered the
country and received a U.S. motor vehicle title. Only a "Registered
Importer" approved by the NHTSA may import and modify such vehicles
that require a bond release, vehicles that do not pass through the
proper channels are forever subject to seizure and forfeiture per 18
U.S.C. §545, even after they reach exemption year (25 years old).


I am quoting Next Level Motorsports info from years ago because it's relevant to whoever imported that car. I'm also shocked that http://www.pcbusa.com/ would have signed off on such a case.

As others stated, no one cares if the car isn't legal. People care when the car is misrepresented to be legal. It's nothing shy of shady and utter bullshit to try and dupe a buyer into thinking that car is legal at all. Tell the truth, let them know what they are getting into, you will find people who are willing to accept the risks.

Lastly, with a Canadian VIN I'm sure posting pictures of that car over on GTRCanada.com would yield some interesting feedback from the community there. People talk.

[garagespec]

He got lucky as hell. Only person to have a 32 that's that lucky.

[Aviator]

hellaaa sketch...

[MC.Understeer]

Just because it's legit you guys don't have to rain on my thread. 2 years this car will be legit no matter what anyways so all of you doubting it then get the F*** out. I will sell the car either way im not saying anything that it isn't. I haven't state titled it and I plan on doing it if I end up keeping it. Don't care either way

[Vandrel]

Just because it's legit you guys don't have to rain on my thread. 2 years this car will be legit no matter what anyways so all of you doubting it then get the F*** out. I will sell the car either way im not saying anything that it isn't. I haven't state titled it and I plan on doing it if I end up keeping it. Don't care either way

18 U.S.C. §545
"Whoever knowingly and willfully, with intent to defraud the United
States, smuggles, or clandestinely introduces any merchandise which
should be invoiced, or makes out or passes, or attempts to pass, any
false, forged or fraudulent invoices, or other document or paper; or
whoever fraudulently or knowingly imports or brings into the United
States any merchandise contrary to law, or buys such merchandise after
importation, knowing the same to have been imported or brought into
the United States contrary to law may be fined or imprisoned."


Items that fall under 18 U.S.C. §545 are subject to seizure and forfeiture.

Please let me know how that works out for you. By the way, the car is a 91 according to your papers so it's not 25 years old in 2014. Furthermore, illegal cars do not become legal at 25 years old, they must first enter the country legally in order to be legal at all. Illegal entry means forever illegal and always subject to seizure, even after 25 years of age.

How do I know this? I had ICE at my house in 2011. http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/breaking-news-us-government-turns-up-heat-on-skyline-owners.html

But what do I know?

[MC.Understeer]

Please let me know how that works out for you. By the way, the car is a 91 according to your papers so it's not 25 years old in 2014. Furthermore, illegal cars do not become legal at 25 years old, they must first enter the country legally in order to be legal at all. Illegal entry means forever illegal and always subject to seizure, even after 25 years of age.

How do I know this? I had ICE at my house in 2011. US Government Turns Up Heat on Skyline Owners (http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/breaking-news-us-government-turns-up-heat-on-skyline-owners.html)

But what do I know?

Not sure if you didn't notice my updated pictures of my paper work but I imported it legally so what you're saying has nothing to do with me or the car.

[Vandrel]

Not sure if you didn't notice my updated pictures of my paper work but I imported it legally so what you're saying has nothing to do with me or the car.

Oh I looked at them. The car is not legal, sorry. I really don't know what to tell you here other then you are either completely ignorant of the laws and really do not understand what I'm saying here or you are a bonified scammer in which case you are 1 of 500 we've seen since 2006.

I guess you missed the part where it's really as simple as calling the OVSC and giving them your VIN# to verify if it's legal. I of course leave this up to the buyer to verify but if you want to really make this thread interesting I'm happy to entertain this and call the OVSC in the morning when I get to the office.

Since it was never stated or confirmed on this thread, what RI and ICI did you use to import the car?

[ryandh]

I'll show you what's legal paperwork OP. What you have is not legal paper work.. its luck.
Hold on...

[garagespec]

He's not saying that you don't have the paperwork. What he is saying is that someone made a mistake. No r32 are legal here, other than the very few motorex cars that were grandfathered in. Its common knowledge. Someone within the system made a mistake for you to have the paperwork if its legit. And unfortunately that makes it not legit. So yes you may have paperwork that shows that the car is legal, but it is not. There are simple ways I find out. You should call the number he posted from a pay phone somewhere and have them run the vin and see if it shows legal in the system. That would be the true test.

[ryandh]

Here is just 2 pieces of legal gold...
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z390/ryanhuerta1/20130129_223434.jpg
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z390/ryanhuerta1/20130129_223447.jpg
The bond release and epa paperwork. I have other documents but this is the most important. If you don't have them, its not federally legal.
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z390/ryanhuerta1/stewie.jpg

[garagespec]

Myth busted

[Vandrel]

The bond release and epa paperwork. I have other documents but this is the most important. If you don't have them, its not federally legal.


This x100000000

and [email protected]

[garagespec]

Ryan, that looks just like the ones I had. I'm looking for pics of mine as I sold the car. I know I have pics somewhere.

[ryandh]

This x100000000

and [email protected]

I thought the Stewie Griffin picture put the perfect touch on it. I'll see you over at SkylineownersUSA

[bigv69er]

http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z390/ryanhuerta1/stewie.jpg

LMAO^^^^^^^^^^^^


hahah this thread is golden as well, He thinks evryone shops at costco and buys nothing but Haterade.

[ryandh]

Nobody cares if it's not fed legal... just don't say it is. Good luck with sale op!

[bigv69er]

Nobody cares if it's not fed legal... just don't say it is. Good luck with sale op!

+1 do not be deceitful

[Vandrel]

Exactly, keep buyers informed and everyone is happy. Not only that but it legally covers your ass as a seller. Technically if the buyer has the car seized by ICE he/she can come slam you with a lawsuit.

[MC.Understeer]

Just sold the car. You guys can suck a dic* ahahahahahahahaha

[bigv69er]

Just sold the car. You guys can suck a dic* ahahahahahahahaha

lmao sure buddy

[Vandrel]

LOL probably the fastest Skyline sale thread in the history of the US community, and at 2:49AM too.

You've fooled no one kiddo. I feel sorry for whoever buys this car from you and I'm sure they find their way to SkylineOwnersUSA.com soon enough asking questions about their car and you.

[Oakville]

I feel sorry for that guy!

[Piggy]

Well darn. I never even got an acknowledgement, yet it's sold. Magic

[MC.Understeer]

LOL probably the fastest Skyline sale thread in the history of the US community, and at 2:49AM too.

You've fooled no one kiddo. I feel sorry for whoever buys this car from you and I'm sure they find their way to SkylineOwnersUSA.com soon enough asking questions about their car and you.

Actually I've had the car on craigslist for 3 weeks and the person who bought it, isn't even driving it on the streets or on Zilvia. Also wasn't 2:49am either because I'm on Pacific standard time, yet you're acting like you're soo smart once again. I feel sorry for everyone on SkylineOwnersUSA knowing they have to deal with people like you on there. I'll be back selling more skylines too piss you off soon.

[Vandrel]

Sure thing kiddo, have fun when ICE shows up at your door.

[hobbs]

I'll be back selling more skylines too piss you off soon.

Yes, piss off the guy who has been engaged with I.C.E for the last couple of years... wouldn't be surprised at all if they show up at your residence soon.

[Knuckshaft]

Actually I've had the car on craigslist for 3 weeks and the person who bought it, isn't even driving it on the streets or on Zilvia. Also wasn't 2:49am either because I'm on Pacific standard time, yet you're acting like you're soo smart once again. I feel sorry for everyone on SkylineOwnersUSA knowing they have to deal with people like you on there. I'll be back selling more skylines too piss you off soon.

First off, how can the guy drive it on zilvia.

Second off I doubt your pissing him off or anyone else. Sell all you want. I was a for sure buyer at that price if it was legit. All you were asked was to prove it was fed legal so it could be bought. Your the one playing in the sand box with no panties on.

[Vandrel]

Just going to leave this right here, [MC.Understeer] Another 10k skyline, the guy claims is fed legal - Nissan Skyline Owners U.S.A. - Forum (http://skylineownersusa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12945)

[MC.Understeer]

Sure thing kiddo, have fun when ICE shows up at your door.

Ooooo threats now. I'm soo scared. They can show up at my door and find nothing. Don't give a damn. Grow up, don't be a b*tch because you're the shady one having them at your door already.

First off, how can the guy drive it on zilvia.

Second off I doubt your pissing him off or anyone else. Sell all you want. I was a for sure buyer at that price if it was legit. All you were asked was to prove it was fed legal so it could be bought. Your the one playing in the sand box with no panties on.

Why would you consider buying something that you're claiming is impossiable to have? I posted enough proof. I don't need to prove anything to you or anyone else anymore.

[Knuckshaft]

I didn't say it was impossible just NOT common. I think there were only 10-15 r32s that were grandfathered in through motorex. And I want a r32. If I can find one in my price range that is fed legal I would have already been there and picked it up. But yours isn't legal and your claiming it is. That's where the problem lies.

[Vandrel]

Try re-reading my posts. No threats from me. You're digging your own hole. The community does a good job at weeding out the trash.

[b14 se-rious]

I cant believe all this talk is over a r32 gtst. I love me some nissans, but an r32 gtst is straight junk

[Oakville]

Its a sensitive topic, guys like Vandrel have had their cars seized by ICE. Just out to protect the guy that gets duped into buying a shady car, especially one thats being portrayed as federally legal. I'm not even a part of this US skyline scene and I know that "federally legal skyline" is a hefty claim, there aren't many out there.

[maxmumboom]

Originally Posted by MC.Understeer
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxmumboom
Please dont mislead people here. The r32 is not a car that meets US compliance in any way shape or form. If it was brought into the states and titled, it only meets state legal , not federal, epa, or crash compliant. No r32 ever has been. Not even motorex r32s. Please correct your ad as it is misleading. I wanted to PM you instead of calling you out in a public forum.
Label it as STATE titled, no bond release. that way knowone is mislead.
Ok I think you didn't read my whole post or you're just assuming its not possiable because its not a motorex r32. This car was inspected by the Federal goverment and passed inspection and legally imported. I have all the paper work to prove all of this so I think you're the one that dosn't know what I have here. I've state titled many cars before, this is no way the same deal so post anything you want but I have all my paperwork for this car so I really don't care to be honest.
Im a serious buyer. I will pay your asking price if not a little more. I want to see proof of your legal documentation. Thank you
Already posted it and not interested in selling you the car after you filtered my thread with negative bs.

I offered twice the offering price if it was legit. This is the message you sent me. After me warning you about lying about a federaly legal car.
People dont care you have a smuggled car thats illegal and for sale, the car is a fraudulent and your selling it fraudulantly as something that its not.

Listen up little boy, If you dont like that you can suck a D_CK.
Feel free to appologize to us all for looking out for you first, and the poor buyer second.
If that not enough cal the NHTSA to verify its legality. Coleman Sachs or Dick Merit will help you.
Oh btw glws.

[MC.Understeer]

Originally Posted by MC.Understeer
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxmumboom
Please dont mislead people here. The r32 is not a car that meets US compliance in any way shape or form. If it was brought into the states and titled, it only meets state legal , not federal, epa, or crash compliant. No r32 ever has been. Not even motorex r32s. Please correct your ad as it is misleading. I wanted to PM you instead of calling you out in a public forum.
Label it as STATE titled, no bond release. that way knowone is mislead.
Ok I think you didn't read my whole post or you're just assuming its not possiable because its not a motorex r32. This car was inspected by the Federal goverment and passed inspection and legally imported. I have all the paper work to prove all of this so I think you're the one that dosn't know what I have here. I've state titled many cars before, this is no way the same deal so post anything you want but I have all my paperwork for this car so I really don't care to be honest.
Im a serious buyer. I will pay your asking price if not a little more. I want to see proof of your legal documentation. Thank you
Already posted it and not interested in selling you the car after you filtered my thread with negative bs.

I offered twice the offering price if it was legit. This is the message you sent me. After me warning you about lying about a federaly legal car.
People dont care you have a smuggled car thats illegal and for sale, the car is a fraudulent and your selling it fraudulantly as something that its not.

Listen up little boy, If you dont like that you can suck a D_CK.
Feel free to appologize to us all for looking out for you first, and the poor buyer second.
If that not enough cal the NHTSA to verify its legality. Coleman Sachs or Dick Merit will help you.
Oh btw glws.

First off you offered to pay a little more than asking price not twice. I sold the car locally for 15k and he was more than happy with the stack of papers I had to go with the car. I don't know what it is about you guys, is it the fact you don't want to accept that I imported the car legally through customs and got it approved with NHTSA paperwork and you're mad it was easier for me to do so or is it because I had something you guys wanted. Either way the car is sold now and it was to someone who's using it for track use. It's not grey market when I imported the car legally. Everyone knows how to do it Illegally, this wasn't the case. I don't need help from anyone, these car's sell themselves, I don't need to lie to sell these cars. I sold gtr's for more than twice this price with Canadian registration.

[Vandrel]

Please, continue to give us more details on how you are smuggling cars in the country and selling them illegally.

There is no such thing as bringing a Skyline in for off-road use only. There is a Race Only exemption but the car has to meet specific requirements to be approved for that and it's only temporary.

There is legal FMVSS import, 25 year exempt import, Race import, Show/Display import, non-resident import, and then there's illegal.

Your shit is illegal

I said good day, Sir

[MC.Understeer]

Please, continue to give us more details on how you are smuggling cars in the country and selling them illegally.

There is no such thing as bringing a Skyline in for off-road use only. There is a Race Only exemption but the car has to meet specific requirements to be approved for that and it's only temporary.

There is legal FMVSS import, 25 year exempt import, Race import, Show/Display import, non-resident import, and then there's illegal.

Your shit is illegal

I said good day, Sir

LoL yes illegally with customs paperwork. Got it, you caught me. Find something better to do.

[Vandrel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ




http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/files/import/i-8b8e8e8f306eaa5dc490c5b4587d6331-Good_day_sir_.png

[ryandh]

Hahaha yes!!! ^^^ sums it up perfectly

[Og Bobby Johnson]

This car doesant have a bond release its not from motorex, kaizen speed and its not a gtr .I dont get why you name dropped Sean morris

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd399/waynebuilt5/r32%20gtr/8356c856.jpg

[dorkidori_s13]

this thread has been suggested to the moderators for permanent sticky status in the cars for sale forum. it is quite possibly one of the most important and informative threads on the topic of importing, legalization and sale of skylines zilvia has ever seen. there have been TONS of skylines for sale on zilvia of the past 10 years ive been on this forum (my old user name was registered in 2003) and i dont think there has ever been a thread like this with information coming from members who have legally owned one and fought the feds!

[VegasDrifterS13]

I cant believe all this talk is over a r32 gtst. I love me some nissans, but an r32 gtst is straight junk

The Best Said Statement Over All this Pussy Bickering. ^^^^ You wanna buy a Skyline? Think its NOT LEGIT? Owner Claims it is, has paperwork, & is Confident. CALL ICE AND HAVE THEM TAKE A LOOK AT THE PAPERWORK & CAR WITH YOU BEFORE YOU BUY IT. DONE. IF ITS B.S. THEY WILL TAKE THE CAR, POSSIBLY HIM TO PRISON, AND YOURE NOT FUCKED IN BUYING AN ILLEGAL CAR. WTF. THINK.

P.S. SKYLINES SUCK. THE ONLY THING THEYRE GOOD FOR IS CUTTING UP IN JAPAN AND DONATING RB'S FOR S CHASSIS SWAPS.

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[GabeS14]

Just out of curiosity, I just wanted an explanation of why Vandrell thinks this guys paper work is not good enough?
Is his paper work fake?
just saying it's fake and saying it has to be bonded, isn't everything, how about explaining why this paper work isn't good enough.

btw the SkylineownersUSA thread sounds like a bunch of haters,
wishing him to chrash into a wall in his newly built car, assuming he is a scammer, comparing him to other scamming sellers who sold fake cars..etc...

You can tell what kind of person they are by the way they go about their criticism:

[Knuckshaft]

Vandrel is actually a importer also. He knows all of the rules. He has also been through a lot of bs over skylines. He is a very genuine guy, follows the rules and doesn't try to go around them. Unlike a few who end up not being deliver what they say or promise. Vandrel is awesome. He does his best to stop people from buying cars that could end up seized. I would use him over some other self proclaimed importer or self proclaimed skyline king.

[GabeS14]

Like I said I just wwnt to know what makes this guys papers illegal, I am not disputing Vandrels legitimacy, I know who he is.
Btw the comment about haters was directed to the posters in the skylineownersusathread not just him.

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[Knuckshaft]

The car wasn't 25 yrs old. So it would have to be bonded and have the bond released once it clears. There was no bond on the car. The only way you don't have to have it bonded is if it's 25 yrs or older.

[GabeS14]

The car wasn't 25 yrs old. So it would have to be bonded and have the bond released once it clears. There was no bond on the car. The only way you don't have to have it bonded is if it's 25 yrs or older.

Ummm gracias!
so he got lucky that it slipped by.

[Knuckshaft]

Yes exactly. I wanted the car if it was legal. Turns out it wasn't.

[Vandrel]

Ummm gracias!
so he got lucky that it slipped by.

This is exactly right. There's many ways these cars get into the country and in the end a lot of it has to do with poorly educated and poorly informed government employees who don't know what to look for. They don't know their own rules and laws and end up signing a customs clearance document for these vehicles when they shouldn't. OR the cars come in as parts and people put them back together.

There's the right way to do and then there's completely illegal. There's no grey area or middle ground.

Knuckshaft is correct, not only do I run the Skyline Owners USA community but I also own a company that imports these cars legally.

http://rivsuimports.com/images/20140201_172151a.png
http://rivsuimports.com/images/20140201_172114a.png
http://rivsuimports.com/images/20140201_172722a.png


There's far too many people out there who don't care about the next guy and well tell them anything just to sell them a car that is dirty as hell and subject to being seized. We see it every year in the community, same thing different person.

[g35gabby]

I feel the need to chime in and recommend both Vandrel and Steven at Rivsu. They both know exactly what they are talking about. If you want a Skyline, just be patient. They are right around the corner. Don't try to work the system. Don't try to sneak one in. Don't import one until after it is 25 years old to the year and month. It's not complicated. If you don't want to deal with importing yourself and don't want to be ripped off deal with a legitimate importer who specializes in these sorts of cars like Rivsu.

pretty glowing recommendation from the "competition".

Much respect for both of you guys. Steve is taking care of my R32 and has been nothing short of an amazing experience. top to bottom he has taken care of everything I have asked and seeing what he has already accomplished for others, made me more than comfortable trusting him to bring my car state side.

[Vandrel]

Raising this topic from the dead after a few months. Not Skyline related but import related nonetheless.

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=566750

People will tell you anything to get you to purchase something from them and get your money. Be sure to ask questions if things don't add up. If it's legal it WILL have a huge stack of papers to go with it.

http://rivsuimports.com/images/papers_legal.jpg

[VIPDRFT]

I thought of an interesting question yesterday. Would there be issues with importing a B324R (R32 with Bee*R R34 front end conversion) if the chassis itself met the 25 year rule?

[g35gabby]

I thought of an interesting question yesterday. Would there be issues with importing a B324R (R32 with Bee*R R34 front end conversion) if the chassis itself met the 25 year rule?

no, it is Vin # to the chassis, and the engine that matter.

Steve had one F/s a while back for 30k in Bright Island blue. was a really clean car

[maison]

thinking of buying a skyline? then buy my RB25 e36!

[heychris]

@maison.......why would someone do that when the body style matters too....If I wanted a bimmer with a straight 6 I'd buy an s52....

Skylines are a whole different animal...IMHO...much cooler. .(but I likes me some bimmers too)
Ch

Ch

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[Radeon]

Found R33 at the auction https://1bid1.com/search?category=1 . What do you think, is it worth to be regarded?