60mm Extended Studs, Spacer & Coilover question

[Breitling]

I am running Kei Office coilovers, 60mm studs, and a 17mm spacer in the front of my s14. The wheels are 18x10+36 (effectively 18x10 +19). tires are 235/40 Federal 595's. I AM BUYING NEW COILOVERS SOON. I want to find one with better clearance than the Kei Office.

Here's what it looks like inside.... It's fine now, but i want to go lower.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/540497_10100913500295114_2008288803_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/538642_10100914405156764_1749821150_n.jpg

Here are my questions:
1. Is there a coilover besides Megan (and their extended bracket) that offers better clearance than these Kei Office?

2. How big of slip on spacers can i run with 60 mm studs? (currently at 17mm spacer)

[tengo240]

I dont think different coilovers are going to really give you that much more clearance .maybe the megans will. I have an18x10 +9 in the front with gold tein coilovers and I just run a small tire and the inner lip rides in between the coils of the spring . Why are you getting new coilovers ? Just for clearance issues?

[Breitling]

3 out of 4 coilovers are blown

[shoguner]

You could always run a skinnier wheel. 8 9.
Then you could find a lower offset.

As for the longer studs Ive seen 20 mm slip ons before on 60mm studs.

[Breitling]

Ever seen 25mm slip Ons with 60mm studs. Is that safe?

[Breitling]

Kill the spam!!! ^^^

Answer my questions please!!

Here are my questions:
1. Is there a coilover besides Megan (and their extended bracket) that offers better clearance than these Kei Office?

2. How big of slip on spacers can i run with 60 mm studs? (currently at 17mm spacer) Can i go 25mm?

[Breitling]

Kill the spam!!! ^^^ x2

Answer my questions please!!

Here are my questions:
1. Is there a coilover besides Megan (and their extended bracket) that offers better clearance than these Kei Office?

2. How big of slip on spacers can i run with 60 mm studs? (currently at 17mm spacer) Can i go 25mm?

[slider2828]

1. I think Power by Max (Part shop max) might have an extended base.... But I think that might be the only company... I would check their coilover review which I think you can find here on the sight.

2. Seriously, 25mm is pretty dangerous man.... get some real wheels with better offsets. I would get some ARP studs.... 25 ish pushing it though on a 60mm....

[JFoxx]

+1 for pbm coils, i do believe they have extended brackets....
+1 for better wheel offsets, im running an 18x12 +20 with a 335 rear tire, and an 18x10 +10 with a 265 front tire, and i have decent clearance

[Breitling]

1. I think Power by Max (Part shop max) might have an extended base.... But I think that might be the only company... I would check their coilover review which I think you can find here on the sight.

2. Seriously, 25mm is pretty dangerous man.... get some real wheels with better offsets. I would get some ARP studs.... 25 ish pushing it though on a 60mm....


Thanks for the insight about PBM.

I do have real wheels (3piece and all). Is 25mm dangerous because of the lack of threads for the lug nuts to grab on to? Or is it dangerous because of the extra stress it would put on the geometry?

[Breitling]

+1 for pbm coils, i do believe they have extended brackets....
+1 for better wheel offsets, im running an 18x12 +20 with a 335 rear tire, and an 18x10 +10 with a 265 front tire, and i have decent clearance

I searched 6 different ways for PBM coilover reviews and all i got was an intercooler review and a review o ntheir arms. No coilover review.



Right now my 18x10 +19 clears in the front with my Kei Office.... but if i lower it more the springs will hit the tire. (see pic above).

what's this i hear about loosening the coilover-to-knuckle bolts and pulling the whole thing outwards while someone else tightens the bolts back up? Has anyone tried this? what were your experiences?

[JFoxx]

what's this i hear about loosening the coilover-to-knuckle bolts and pulling the whole thing outwards while someone else tightens the bolts back up? Has anyone tried this? what were your experiences?


yes but in most cases this is for people who have slotted coilover bases or modified theirs to be slotted. it is usually used as an attempt for more camber....

[fliprayzin240sx]

I posted up on the wheel fitment thread but I'm running 2 10mm spacers on mine. Can maybe add another 3mm tops but your lugs would barely be threaded into the studs. My mutekis are almost threaded all the way in minus 2-3 threads.

[slider2828]

I searched 6 different ways for PBM coilover reviews and all i got was an intercooler review and a review o ntheir arms. No coilover review.



Right now my 18x10 +19 clears in the front with my Kei Office.... but if i lower it more the springs will hit the tire. (see pic above).

what's this i hear about loosening the coilover-to-knuckle bolts and pulling the whole thing outwards while someone else tightens the bolts back up? Has anyone tried this? what were your experiences?

Yeah, I would just call them up. They have a shop in CA, so they can give you some information....

Pulling it out.... I don't think any bolt with that amount of force exerted on the wheel can stay there for long.... Don't bother...

both problems.... For street rolling, 20mm spacers, is probably OK..... Do any tracking and would never go over 10-12 is the general consensus.... Just a lot of force on the stud especially without hubcentric lips on them (HR Spacers).

Also it will be close to short and you asking for it lol.... no having enough thread lol....

[blusx]

Same problem here compared my megans to some gsp's and there 3 1/2" bigger than mine, someone should have some extended collar mounts

[Breitling]

Same problem here compared my megans to some gsp's and there 3 1/2" bigger than mine, someone should have some extended collar mounts

What do you mean by 3.5 inches bigger? in what aspect?

Also, for now... we know that MEgan and PBM make extended brackets. anyone else? anyone ever make/mod their own?



Lastly, my wheels are 3 piece and i can buy new inner barrels for the front. Shoudl i back it of .5 inch or a full inch?

[Breitling]

Just called PBM in Cali... talked to a guy named Nate. He said that they dont offer an extended bracket.

Anyone?

[blusx]

What do you mean by 3.5 inches bigger? in what aspect?

Also, for now... we know that MEgan and PBM make extended brackets. anyone else? anyone ever make/mod their own?



Lastly, my wheels are 3 piece and i can buy new inner barrels for the front. Shoudl i back it of .5 inch or a full inch?

the bottom of the coilover the piece were it bolts up to the knuckles that piece is that much bigger than mine (were the 2 bolts go the flat pieces that go towards the cylinder that screws to the bottom of coil over)

[blusx]

http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/m/m9Pmsxss5y7a3QMcThDhilA/140.jpg check it:confused:

[Breitling]

are you saying that they went 3.5 inchs further this way?

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/539399_10100917519410774_934446235_n.jpg

[slider2828]

I don't know anyone who makes them other than megan at this point.... Sorry.....

[shoguner]

Seriously. I think you are going to need a skinnier wheel with a higher offset. do you REALLY need a 10in wide wheel on the front?! you are only running a 235/40 anyway. You said your wheels are 3 piece. get some new barrels to get a skinnier wheel and lower offset. Or you could put some s14 LCA on and effectively move your wheel out 15mm...

[Breitling]

Or you could put some s14 LCA on and effectively move your wheel out 15mm...


Please explicate on this

[slider2828]

S14 LCA's are just a tad bit longer than S13 LCA's... is what he means..... All else I think the sway bar should fit and the tension rods must be extended a little more to fit the S14 LCA.

[zooopreme]

Find out what the ID is for the megan extended brackets & see if the coils you are getting have the same ID.

EDIT: nvm, found that they will not work for any other company. Disregard my post.

[Breitling]

S14 LCA's are just a tad bit longer than S13 LCA's... is what he means..... All else I think the sway bar should fit and the tension rods must be extended a little more to fit the S14 LCA.


my car is an s14....

[fckillerbee]

Buy PBMs cause they are sweet.

Get lips re-done. Go less of an offset with same wheel. running 10's. Go with something like a +10 offset. It will move the wheel away from the coilover.

Spacers do exactly what lower offset wheels do...they move the wheel farther away from the coil. You are trying to do too much, and it's really simple.

[Breitling]

Well, i am considering PBM, my goal is to be at or under 1K shipped for coilovers. Suggestions? I have heard good things about Fortune, PBM, and Stance.

[zooopreme]

Well, i am considering PBM, my goal is to be at or under 1K shipped for coilovers. Suggestions? I have heard good things about Fortune, PBM, and Stance.

Under 1K for coils + extended brackets? Megans.

Fortune, PBM, Stance > 1,000 budget.

[Breitling]

What about BC and Ksport? yay or nay?

[zooopreme]

What about BC and Ksport? yay or nay?

Nay and nay.

Since you really want to run extended brackets, Megan is the only company that offers them and fits your budget.

They completely suck but hey, you get what you pay for. And to answer your initial question 60mm allows for a 2.5-2.75" safe range for spacers. That 3" range is a little sketchy.

My suggestion would be to get your wheels done with less offset.

[Breitling]

And to answer your initial question 60mm allows for a 2.5-2.75" safe range for spacers. That 3" range is a little sketchy.

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I dont understand what this means (the numerics).

Thanks in advance for your explanation.


BTW, i might as well just rebarrel the wheels.

[zooopreme]

I dont understand what this means (the numerics).

Thanks in advance for your explanation.


BTW, i might as well just rebarrel the wheels.

60mm is about 2.36", I misinformed you in my initial post. My fault.

17mm to inches is about 0.66".

2.36" is not the widest spacer that you can run, that about how much room you'll have to work with. Your range should be shorter than the 60mm studs themselves for that structural piece of mind.

I would say 1.75"-2.25" range so ~44 mm to ~57MM.

[GuardianLlama]

60mm is about 2.36", I misinformed you in my initial post. My fault.

17mm to inches is about 0.66".

2.36" is not the widest spacer that you can run, that about how much room you'll have to work with. Your range should be shorter than the 60mm studs themselves for that structural piece of mind.

I would say 1.75"-2.25" range so ~44 mm to ~57MM.

If you ran a 57mm worth of spacing, how would you mount the wheel? 3mm of threads?

[zooopreme]

If you ran a 57mm worth of spacing, how would you mount the wheel? 3mm of threads?

Oh I wasn't under the impression that we were talking about sketchy ass slip on spacers. I was referring to the safer ones that bolt on.

[GuardianLlama]

Oh I wasn't under the impression that we were talking about sketchy ass slip on spacers. I was referring to the safer ones that bolt on.

He'll be trimming studs if he uses bolt ons. Unless the wheel mounting location has clearence for additional studs.

[zooopreme]

He'll be trimming studs if he uses bolt ons. Unless the wheel mounting location has clearence for additional studs.

Am I missing something here?

I (along with another person) suggested getting the wheels fixed in terms of offset. Running huge ass spacers is stupid. He asked for sizes in his original post so I provided with that anyway.

Anybody with common sense would not run spacers that big.

[Breitling]

So, are my 17mm hubcentric slip on spacers no safe? I though as long as they are hubcentric I should be fine. Am I wrong?

[Sirius]

Thanks for the insight about PBM.

I do have real wheels (3piece and all). Is 25mm dangerous because of the lack of threads for the lug nuts to grab on to? Or is it dangerous because of the extra stress it would put on the geometry?

its not dangerous for the rigors of daily driving. track with 350+ hp/tq then maybe.
but im running pbm coils and i had the same issue with 16x8.5 ... its bc you need a lower offset on your rim.. or a 25mm bolt on spacer. they are safe as long as they are not "slip ons" and torque them to about 80-85 ft-lbs. then about 75-80 for the rim studs or what ever you normally do.. thats how ive been running but im slammed on the powered by max coils and with a 38mm hub-centric ichiba spacer... and shitty budget enkei rims... good rims bad rims/safe dangerous.. blah blah. its not like widening the track of your tires with a mostly stock suspension arm set up as well as lack of race stiffness despite having coils,, will make a noticeable if at all dangerous set up. in other words the more suspension mods you have and the lower and stiffer you are the more dramatic the effects of your geometrical changes will be noticed. and easily dialed in. but always beware of pot holes and debris as the impact may lead to failure of any sort not limited to spacer strength.

[iLOVEASIANGIRLSS]

HEY guys, so i installed my STANCE GR+ a few weeks back and i am having trouble to figure out how to adjust the stiffness and or dampning. i searched on google and it didnt come up with any stance threads, thanks in advance

[shoguner]

my car is an s14....
Doesn't matter. All the mounting points are the same. BUT you will either have to drill your knuckles to accept the s14 balljoint OR press out the s14 ones and put new s13 ball joints in.

Get lips re-done. Go less of an offset with same wheel. running 10's. Go with something like a +10 offset. It will move the wheel away from the coilover.

Spacers do exactly what lower offset wheels do...they move the wheel farther away from the coil. You are trying to do too much, and it's really simple.
QFT Seriously. you don't need a 10" wide wheel upfront. Get the front re rebarreled for cheaper than doing new coilovers.

[Breitling]

I need new coilovers regardless

[zooopreme]

So, are my 17mm hubcentric slip on spacers no safe? I though as long as they are hubcentric I should be fine. Am I wrong?

With 60mm extended studs, you're fine. Having 57mm spacers that were slip on...now that's a different story.

[Breitling]

Okay, I went and test-fitted a wheel with a 5.5 inch inner barrel instead of 6 inch inner barrel. STILL USING THE 17MM SPACER.

Effectively this would be an 18x9.5 +13 (+30.... but utilizing the 17mm hubcentric spacer.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/563901_10100920031012504_653249695_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/563999_10100920031601324_1288106943_n.jpg



Should I do 18x9.5 +30 and continue to use the 17mm hubcentric slip-on spacer....

OR

Should I do 18x9 +24 and use no spacer....

[zooopreme]

Should I do 18x9.5 +30 and continue to use the 17mm hubcentric slip-on spacer....

OR

Should I do 18x9 +24 and use no spacer....

That's entirely up to you. Do you want to do it the right way or the easy way?

[Breitling]

Well, i want to retain some wheel width by not having to go down to an 18x9 (the easy way?) but i also want to be good and safe (the right way).

[CleanAndLegit]

18x9 up front is perfect anything bigger is either for nothing or nothing, buy a bolt on get new studs problem solved its not hard to figure out something so easy as this.

[CamryOnBronze]

This tire rack article lists the minimum threads of engagement that are safe for a number of different lug thread pitches:

Wheel Tech - Wheel Lug Torquing (http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=107&affiliate=HJ3)

As long as your specific lug thread pitch has the specified minimum number of turns or more, I think it would be considered safe.

[ericcastro]

take your extended studs off,
put regualr studs in,
buy bolt on spaces.
i run 38mm in the front, 50 mm in the rear.
done and done.

[Boorito]

That's entirely up to you. Do you want to do it the right way or the easy way?

I really like this quote.

[Breitling]

take your extended studs off,
put regualr studs in,
buy bolt on spaces.
i run 38mm in the front, 50 mm in the rear.
done and done.

are you stating that bolt on spacers are more safe than hubcentric slip ons?

[Breitling]

18x9 up front is perfect anything bigger is either for nothing or nothing, buy a bolt on get new studs problem solved its not hard to figure out something so easy as this.


i'd like to be 9.5 or 10 up front.

[ericcastro]

are you stating that bolt on spacers are more safe than hubcentric slip ons?

When you do a bolt on, you still get all the thread of the lug.

If you start putting spacers on you start to get to the point where the lug cant get all its threads connected.

So if you are gonna start stacking spacers, then I would say it was safer.

Whats the tire look like on the fender side?
IF there is room to push it out an inch and be flush, then i would say spend under $180 on a set of 4 bolt ons and be done with it.

Or spend over $1000 on new coil overs to fit rims that prolly arent worth that much anyways.


And as far as bolt ons and slip ons as a general question. bolt ons of course, they are bolted on, slip ons are just pinched between two parts. I actually dont like the idea of slip ons at all.

[Breitling]

I will address a couple of points.


If you start putting spacers on you start to get to the point where the lug cant get all its threads connected.

I got 60mm studs (18mm longer than stock, then put on 17mm spacers in order ot be the same length as stock plus 1 mm of thread)



Whats the tire look like on the fender side?
IF there is room to push it out an inch and be flush, then i would say spend under $180 on a set of 4 bolt ons and be done with it.

looks like this

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/303332_10100913496557604_1322621884_n.jpg



Or spend over $1000 on new coil overs to fit

Its not an "OR" Situation, my KEi Office are blown.





rims that prolly arent worth that much anyways.
.

Wrong

Fabulous Profounds....

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/179967_10100905375407454_543782108_n.jpg

These are just the rears. Fronts only have 4 inch lip instead of 6

[ericcastro]

Well if you are buying new coils anyways, I would go to the fitment thread and see if you can find your rims sizes and see what coils they run.

Are you gonna be drifting or time attack/scca with the rims, or just daily driving.

If you can get away with spacers cause its a nice daily, then i wouldnt worry so hard, as long as you get a coil over thats close.

I would think you could call some of the vendors and ask them the size from the bolt whole to the cylinder?

[Breitling]

Those wheels will be to fuck around town with. The car will be driven at SCCA and HPDE events and the occasional drift practice. But, i will use different wheels for that where I wouldn't have to use the spacers.....

I will have to see what coilovers have the MAX clearance (without going Megan racing plus extended brackets). I will ask in the Wheel fitment Q thread.

[fliprayzin240sx]

So, are my 17mm hubcentric slip on spacers no safe? I though as long as they are hubcentric I should be fine. Am I wrong?

Like I said, I'm running 20mm stacks up front on some 18x10 +22 Equips with Dunlop Star Specs...tracked the living shit of my last two cars using the same hubs. Never had any issue.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8153/7279509208_2c9a4e4979_b.jpg

Personally, Id rather run stacks than bolt on spacers. I've had bolt ons that the lugs would get loose for some reason, everytime I took my wheels off, I'd have to check the torque on the spacers and they're loose. I've never had issues with my lugs coming loose with slip ons.