Why use a Thorough Concepts High Pressure Power Steering Setup??

[Thorough Concepts, LLC]

Why would you want to keep the use of your sensor on your high pressure power steering setup??
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Here's why!
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Check out our high pressure power steering setup with our patented distribution block to retain the use of the stock sensor along with our other products at:
Our Retail Store (http://www.thoroughconceptsretail.com/Default.asp)

For more information on who we are and what we do, check out:
Home - Thorough Concepts, LLC (http://www.thoroughconcepts.com/)

[S13x88]

Are there any plans to sell that distribution block? My sensor is fine and I still have some left over braided hose. All I would need are the fittings.

[GeneStarWindGSW]

Are there any plans to sell that distribution block?.

x2, interested in the distribution block as well

[Wake]

Signs me up for a distribution block too. Lol

[fullthrottle]

So this idle up is going to help my steering while im bouncing my car off the rev limited? Maybe i dont understand.

[snafupossum]

So this idle up is going to help my steering while im bouncing my car off the rev limited? Maybe i dont understand.
You'r not always going to be bouncing off your rev limiter at full lock.

[DavidEspiau]

That's a clean looking little setup ya got there. How much?

[dkim1985]

also interested in just the block. how much?

i have the chasebays powersteering setup. would the block be compatible with that?

[iamtheyi]

lol I must be retarded because I read it four times and still don't get it. Can someone tell me what this is in layman's terms?

[DavidEspiau]

It's just saying that we should keep the sensor so our cars won't bog down at full lock when our rpms are low. Basically this sensor sends a signal to bump up the idle during full lock to reduce strain on the motor.

[Thorough Concepts, LLC]

It's just saying that we should keep the sensor so our cars won't bog down at full lock when our rpms are low. Basically this sensor sends a signal to bump up the idle during full lock to reduce strain on the motor.

:bigok:

(Thats the closest I could find to a thumbs up lol) And that is exactly right. I should have added a brief explanation which is my bad.

[Thorough Concepts, LLC]

To everybody looking to buy the sensor and the fittings, YES! We will be selling just the power steering block and appropriate fittings. In fact we're going to go ahead to get it done extra quick based on the interest in this thread. When we do (which should be within the next couple of days) we'll be posting both back on this thread, as well as on the front page of zilvia.

[Thorough Concepts, LLC]

also interested in just the block. how much?

i have the chasebays powersteering setup. would the block be compatible with that?

To my knowledge it is not directly compatible (we will certainly look further into it), however as with anything, it comes down to hose lengths, fittings, and ends.

If anybody has already tried tweeking their Chase Bays setup to be compatible with ours let us know what you find!

NOTE: to my knowledge the Chase Bays kit is simply a replacement setup with an aluminum reservoir and not a full high pressure system (see here (http://www.chasebays.com/product/nissan-240sx/chase-bays-products/chase-bays-power-steering-kit-for-nissan-240sx)). Our system is a full high pressure setup using all stainless steel braided, teflon inner coated lines as well as high pressure fittings with o-rings and all appropriate fittings are pre-installed with teflon paste into the distribution block to the correct torque specifications. We also test-fit all setups before shipment to triple check quality and fitment.

[Thorough Concepts, LLC]

That's a clean looking little setup ya got there. How much?

We're currently selling the full base setup for $219.99 on our retail store here (http://www.thoroughconceptsretail.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=TCHPPS).

You can check out more details and pics here (http://www.thoroughconcepts.com/products/high-pressure-power-steering-line-setups/)!

[hOngsterr]

you should have the option to not run it also, maybe more people would jump on it.

[S13x88]

To everybody looking to buy the sensor and the fittings, YES! We will be selling just the power steering block and appropriate fittings. In fact we're going to go ahead to get it done extra quick based on the interest in this thread. When we do (which should be within the next couple of days) we'll be posting both back on this thread, as well as on the front page of zilvia.

:hyper:

Awesome! Thanks a bunch, I thought I was the only one :P

[INeedNewTires]

would a PowerFC or AEM EMS take the sensor into account? do they even see it? do they care?

[Thorough Concepts, LLC]

would a PowerFC or AEM EMS take the sensor into account? do they even see it? do they care?

Basically any vehicle specific, plug and play system should account for all factory sensors unless configured otherwise i.e. race applications. :cool:

[matts13vert]

I hope you realize that this block is useless for anything other than having the OEM idle bump. It will not affect anything when the throttle is open i.e. normal driving, time attack, drift, whatever it may be.

Most small 4 cylinder engines do not produce enough power at idle to compensate for the power loss caused by the pump which is why that sensor is there, it bumps IDLE speed to keep the engine from bogging down/stalling.

Its the same reason the idle is bumped up when you engage the A/C the compressor.

Only situation i see this being functional is if your off throttle long enough for the engine to come down to an idle, and car is at full lock.

[Thorough Concepts, LLC]

I hope you realize that this block is useless for anything other than having the OEM idle bump. It will not affect anything when the throttle is open i.e. normal driving, time attack, drift, whatever it may be.

Most small 4 cylinder engines do not produce enough power at idle to compensate for the power loss caused by the pump which is why that sensor is there, it bumps IDLE speed to keep the engine from bogging down/stalling.

Its the same reason the idle is bumped up when you engage the A/C the compressor.

Only situation i see this being functional is if your off throttle long enough for the engine to come down to an idle, and car is at full lock.

You are absolutely correct in the function of the sensor! That is indeed exactly what it does. Which, as you stated, is very useful in situations when "your off the throttle long enough for the engine to come down to an idle, and the car is at full lock".

When would such a situation occur?
1) Downshifting or e-braking in drift/competition scenarios. You would be in a little bit of trouble, for ex., if your car died going into the downhill section of horse thief at our upcoming competition! (June 2nd AND 3rd, signup here! (http://www.thoroughconcepts.com/competition-signup/))
2) Parallel parking during everyday street driving. Not everybody's car is purely for competition and they may be fine with deleting the sensor for their track car (which we do NOT recommend) but it's certainly a useful thing to have on a daily driver as well.

You are correct in the idle being bumped for the A/C which at the fundamental level is an accurate comparison. But people should remember that although the function (of bumping the idle) is the same, the load types are different. The A/C being a constant load, and one that is generally not seen on the track. (Not arguing with your comparison, just adding a note for readers)

Additional benefits of our system and would be the actual position of our High Pressure lines. We route them the same as the OEM lines which serves multiple functions:
1) Keeps the lines cooler than other systems that delete the sensor and run the lines close to the exhaust (additionally we thermal sleeve the line for a bit of added protection)
2) Longer lines result in cooler fluid. It can be argued how much cooler, but cooler nonetheless.

Thanks for helping us educate readers about our product and how it functions :D

Additional details can be found on our website here (http://www.thoroughconcepts.com/)! And be sure to check out our retail store here (http://www.thoroughconceptsretail.com/Default.asp)! where you can both purchase product AND signup for our upcoming event. Hope to see you out there! :wavey:

[Sugoi_Style]

That was thoroughly indepth, thanks Matt and TC LLC.

[Thorough Concepts, LLC]

Ask and you shall receive! We have now listed for sale our patented distribution block with fittings and all necessary hardware for $62.99!

Buy it HERE! (http://www.thoroughconceptsretail.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=TCDBF)

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NOTE: photograph is shown with optional stainless steel lines + optional OEM sensor. These are not included in this newly listed product.

We'll be posting this great news on the zilvia front page shortly.

[hOngsterr]

so are you guys thinking of making some without the sensor?

[Thorough Concepts, LLC]

so are you guys thinking of making some without the sensor?

Yea in the sense that we'll sell the block and the lines separately, but as of now we don't have plans to sell a setup of lines that delete the sensor. There are plenty of companies out there selling that and we believe in our product. We may revisit the idea if we find additional ways in which we can improve upon what's currently out there on the market, that's just who we are and what we do! If we're gonna make something, then it has to be the best out there no matter what it is. :bigok:

[hellion240sx]

did anyone find out if this is compatible with the chase bays power steering set up?

[dkim1985]

did anyone find out if this is compatible with the chase bays power steering set up?

i would like to know this too.
tc, i couldn't find fitting sizes on your website.
chasebays hp fittings are -6AN.

i have the chasebays kit..but would like to include this block.
looks like someone in my position would need the block and an extra line(?)

[Wake]

It should work with chasebays, given you have the right fittings.

This isnt rocket science people.

[dkim1985]

It should work with chasebays, given you have the right fittings.

This isnt rocket science people.
^not helping
obviously it will work with the right fittings, which is what we're trying to find out.

[Thorough Concepts, LLC]

Hi all,

The fittings (line side) are dash 6AN.

In response dkim1985, yes you would need another line in order to incorporate the block into the existing chase bays setup.

Thanks for the interest and apologies for the late response!

[hellion240sx]

Basically you need tyhis to work with the cb kiy correct?

HPPS Setup for Nissan 240sx '91-'02 + Power Steering Rack Bushings (http://www.thoroughconceptsretail.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=TCHPPS%2DB)

[Thorough Concepts, LLC]

Hi guys,

Hopefully this will help for some. Basically with the Thorough Concepts High Pressure setup we're only dealing with the high pressure line(s) and distribution block that incorporates the OEM sensor. When incorporating this into the Chase Bays kit, that would mean that you are either replacing their stainless steel line with one of our full setups (recommended because this definitely works), or you are purchasing our distribution block with the following assumptions:

1) the stainless line that comes from chase bays is the correct length to be used either from the power steering rack to the distribution block, or from the distribution block to the pump.
2) you can make/purchase a line the correct length to be used on the other side of the block (where you don't have the CB line) again either from rack to block or block to pump.

Here are a couple photographs with references on each (red circle on pump, yellow on rack), I apologize that one is a bit blurry.

This first picture is of the Chase Bays kit's stainless steel line running directly from the pump to the rack. NOTE: this photograph is directly from Chase Bays installation guide.
http://s18.postimage.org/jyt1pqoll/CB_top_view.jpg

This second picture is a side view of an installed Thorough Concepts High Pressure Power Steering Setup on one of our jigs for better visibility. Please take note that the green circle is around the installed distribution block.
http://s7.postimage.org/42h72g2m3/HPPS_on_Jig81.jpg

I hope this helps some people. It basically is all about the lengths of the high pressure side line(s). Hope this was useful to some.

Keep the questions coming and we'll keep doing our best to answer them!

You can also email us directly at:
[email protected] and we'll respond ASAP.