The Ecoboost V6 thread from Ford

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One of my friend just told me about this videos about testing Ford EcoBoost engine
very interesting and amazing...

http://image.trucktrend.com/f/34527741/2011-Ford-F150-ecoboost-v6-engine.jpg

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YouTube - 2011 Ford F-150 - V6 Ecoboost Torture Test - Capital Ford (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-fCzBHVFTY)
YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 2: Hauling Timber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0yTTvh_Ikg)
YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 3: 24 Hours of NASCAR Track Testing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxN3JnQ47b0)
YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 4: Head to Head (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W_bbzRLdDM)
YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 5: Baja (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4Pi00oBv3Q)
YouTube - Ford F-150 EcoBoost Torture Test Episode 6: Teardown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lToZuwbQhLk)


*365 hp (272 kW) @5500 rpm, 350 lb·ft (475 N·m) @5000 rpm
- 2010– Ford Taurus SHO
*355 hp (265 kW) @5700 rpm, 350 lb·ft (475 N·m) @5000 rpm
- 2010– Ford Flex
- 2010– Lincoln MKS
- 2010– Lincoln MKT
*365 hp (272 kW) @5500 rpm, 90% 420 lb·ft (569 N·m) @1700-5000 rpm, peak torque at 2500 rpm
- 2011– Ford F-150

Discuss....

[K_style]

Wonder if there is Manual transmission for it ? V6 Mustang transmission???

[Freddy]

I just watch these videos the other day, it pretty impressive. specially that part with up hill acceleration and baja

[s14>integra]

Man, that's pretty impressive. But as i was watching the Baja video i noticed that the piping for the turbo didn't exactly look stock. So it would be cool to know what things they changed for it to race in Baja.

[HyperTek]

Cool, something their engines should have been doing 20 freaking years ago!!!


on that note, i do like ford trucks over chevy and dodge.

[TheWolf]

Being in the diesel pickup truck business, I've seen some good stuff from ford and I've seen alot of bone headed maneuvers over the last 5 years.. This is ford diesel pickups from the last 5 years...

things like..
Run truck out/low on gas, injectors hammer themselves to pieces.. it's ok.. new set only $2200. Surprise :)

Need to light off soot trap, we'll inject extra fuel into cylinders on exhaust stroke.. sure it won't cause washdown and premature wear.. result blown motor..

Next year.. since last years fuel into cylinder idea wasn't the best (but we won't admit or warranty it) we put an injector into the down pipe... soon duct tape will be standard...

result from both, exhaust pipe hot enough to light your pants on fire if you walk by.. melted body work..

EGR is cooled with onboard coolant.. EGR clogs.. engine overheats YAY!

Neither of the above ideas lasted longer than 2 years so this is the new and improved idea for 2011-2012.
Onboard 10 gallon chemical tank that injects a proprietary urea water into exhaust and a very high pressure. Good thing to. It's only $12 a gallon and should only need to be refilled every oil change!

and well.. on all these screw ups... we made one small boo boo.. um.. well... on these motors we kinda didn't put alot of headbolts on them but we did put alot of boost... and so when these things blow headgaskets there's a slight problem.. the last 4 bolts on each cylinder head are kinda trapped.. so we weren't kidding when on step one of headgasket replacement it said "Remove and Lift Cab 4 inches".


So would I run out and buy a new twin turbo'd direct injected variable cam computer controlled gas pickup? Not on their track record for the past 5-10 years with twin turbo'd direct injected diesel pickups.

Prob not.

[exitspeed]

Bums me out they haven't put the Ecoboost in the Fusion yet as a real Sport model.

[omgRWDgoodness!]

Fixed
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As Mr. Gump would say, that's all I have to say about that.

[exitspeed]

Fixed
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As Mr. Gump would say, that's all I have to say about that.

Another uninformed person. I suppose you still think Honda and Toyota are leading the industry with technology and engineering right? lol

I feel sorry for you mother.
http://listentoleon.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/ifeelsorryforyourmother.jpg

[K_style]

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As Mr. Gump would say, that's all I have to say about that.


Really...??? Do I even have to say anything???

I've heard many different combination of "FORD" and I never liked FORD before..
But recently I changed my mind... why don't you test drive one of those new ecoboost engine models...

you will like it...



Unless you own something like GT-R or SLR or LFA that makes you think those Ford is still garbage...

[bb4_96]

How do you find out about longevity from a test drive? I could care less how the test drive goes, i want to see it 40k down the road.

[K_style]

How do you find out about longevity from a test drive? I could care less how the test drive goes, i want to see it 40k down the road.


I don't think I said you could find out about longevity by test driving...

that guy was just being negative and I assumed he has not even seen or drove the this engine..

[exitspeed]

How do you find out about longevity from a test drive? I could care less how the test drive goes, i want to see it 40k down the road.

Have you been reading dependability, quality, customer satisfaction studies?

if not, I suggest you go get your read on.

[jacobs13]

I dont get the shit talking, that just amazed me. Really changed my mind about ford. I want one now...

[omgRWDgoodness!]

I feel sorry for you mother.


I feel sorry for her, too. She used to own a Taurus.

Another uninformed person. I suppose you still think Honda and Toyota are leading the industry with technology and engineering right? lol

Now now, before everyone gets too upset, I don't speak completely out of ignorance. My folks are what you'd consider "average consumers" and they choose imports for a reason. They've owned and driven several domestically-made vehicles over the years and they were less than satisfied. My personal dislike of domestic automakers stems from other, rather irrelevant reasons. With that said, I am not saying these new "EcoBoost" engines Ford has introduced are unimpressive, but I find it interesting that this is so groundbreaking only because it's coming from Ford. Have no other automakers ever offered cars with factory-turbocharged engines before? Also, (if you ask me) EcoBoost sounds strangely familiar to something called Ecopower SAAB introduced almost 2 decades ago. Like it was said previous, yes these engines are nice now, can take a beating and I'm sure they're a pleasure to drive, but I'm quite curious as to how they will perform 100- and 150-thousand miles down the road. Domestic manufacturers simply do not have the greatest track record. Don't even get me started on Honda and Toyota.:zzz:

[exitspeed]

I feel sorry for her, too. She used to own a Taurus.



Now now, before everyone gets too upset, I don't speak completely out of ignorance. My folks are what you'd consider "average consumers" and they choose imports for a reason. They've owned and driven several domestically-made vehicles over the years and they were less than satisfied. My personal dislike of domestic automakers stems from other, rather irrelevant reasons. With that said, I am not saying these new "EcoBoost" engines Ford has introduced are unimpressive, but I find it interesting that this is so groundbreaking only because it's coming from Ford. Have no other automakers ever offered cars with factory-turbocharged engines before? Also, (if you ask me) EcoBoost sounds strangely familiar to something called Ecopower SAAB introduced almost 2 decades ago. Like it was said previous, yes these engines are nice now, can take a beating and I'm sure they're a pleasure to drive, but I'm quite curious as to how they will perform 100- and 150-thousand miles down the road. Domestic manufacturers simply do not have the greatest track record. Don't even get me started on Honda and Toyota.:zzz:

What you said is true up until about 2007. At least for Ford and GM.

[axiomatik]

My wife's '97 Expedition just won't die. It has 180k on it and still runs great. I want to replace it, but can't bring myself to get rid of a vehicle that is still in such great shape and costs so little to keep. Over the last 7 years of ownership, I've only had to replace the alternator, replace an ABS sensor, and replace the rear air springs (old age).

[K_style]

My wife's '97 Expedition just won't die. It has 180k on it and still runs great. I want to replace it, but can't bring myself to get rid of a vehicle that is still in such great shape and costs so little to keep. Over the last 7 years of ownership, I've only had to replace the alternator, replace an ABS sensor, and replace the rear air springs (old age).


I personally own 1991 Explorer.. it has 186,xxx miles..
As most people know those things have Transmission issue. previous owner replaced transmission 70k miles ago.... but I changed oil after purchased..

Jeez... it was like 50/50 water and oil and assume incorrect type of oil...

My point is, it maybe manufacturer's bad product but owners who does not take care of their vehicles causes it to break down...

[exitspeed]

I try to avoid basing my opinion off of one person or even several people's past experiences. I also try not to base it off of just one study. I LOVE ready vehicles studies. Some people claim that some are skewed by the manufactures, or just wrong based off of where/how the data is provided. Which again is why I sit and read them all. Hell, I even go the library and read stupid stats in Wards each year. Yes, lame. But I feel it makes me a better consumer when it comes to vehicle purchases.

Statistically, domestics up until recently have not been as dependable as Japanese brands, but the last 4 or so years, most recently even more, they have made incredible strides in engineering and dependability.

I should keep links to articles just for this reason. My mind is cluttered with far more important (people with kids, and careers know what I'm talking about) things nowadays for me to remember exact numbers, but mental notes are always taken. I might have to start doing that.

[dirtdiggler666]

well for all the kids that think only imports will last.

my parents have a 98 ford f150 v8 with 350k i would say my dad changes the oil about every 30-40k no fucking joke. he has replaced the plugs wires and some part that was about $100 thats it.

i thought bullshit he just got lucky well nope he also owns a 97 ford expedition same engine with just about 400k i think. and has replaced the same parts as the f150.

he bought both of them new so i know everything about them.

[K_style]

Let's share discussion about EcoBoost V6 new engine from Ford not their other previous engines..

[atutt]

If my 04 F150 5.4 wasn't such a failure I might have faith in this one... But I'm already on engine number two..... So I believe this will result in failure a few years down the road.

[K_style]

If my 04 F150 5.4 wasn't such a failure I might have faith in this one... But I'm already on engine number two..... So I believe this will result in failure a few years down the road.


Guess you just missed other post up there....


sorry for your pain though.

[ATLspeed]

i have faith in the new EcoBoost motor. after watchin the vids that is really good. I wish they had more "in-depth" documents as like:

- Motor oil (brand/how long between changes/etc)
- spark plugs (" ")
- just normal things.

[drift freaq]

Every automobile company out has its times of good or bad. When I was a kid we had a Ford Country Squire Station wagon that ran forever. My friend has a 4 door 66 Fairlane sedan that he drives on a daily basis. 44 years the things been on the road.
For every person that says Ford fix or repair daily blah blah I can show both the bad GM and the good GM.
What Exitspeed says is correct. Ford and GM today have come along way in the past 3 years. The products Ford is making today are good. They are reliable, they are not pieces of shit.
Same can be said for some of GM's current products as well.

Its time for people to open their eyes, when it comes to looking at Domestic Auto's.
Yup I said that. I love Imports but I cannot in no way find fault with a lot of the new products coming from Domestic manufacturers.

[dsastr_clan]

my dad has a 00 sport explorer and the tranny blew up when it had 70k then the engine started to throw all sorts of codes at 100k, that car has been serviced by the ford dealership so many times and it still runs like shit, i will no take my chances with a ford again. not even my 240sx that is 20 years old

[K_style]

Every automobile company out has its times of good or bad. When I was a kid we had a Ford Country Squire Station wagon that ran forever. My friend has a 4 door 66 Fairlane sedan that he drives on a daily basis. 44 years the things been on the road.
For every person that says Ford fix or repair daily blah blah I can show both the bad GM and the good GM.
What Exitspeed says is correct. Ford and GM today have come along way in the past 3 years. The products Ford is making today are good. They are reliable, they are not pieces of shit.
Same can be said for some of GM's current products as well.

Its time for people to open their eyes, when it comes to looking at Domestic Auto's.
Yup I said that. I love Imports but I cannot in no way find fault with a lot of the new products coming from Domestic manufacturers.

Thanks Dave for your opinion !!!!

Hell.. I am not even from this country and trying to support Domestic companies.
Show your love to your own Domestic automakers !!

[K_style]

my dad has a 00 sport explorer and the tranny blew up when it had 70k then the engine started to throw all sorts of codes at 100k, that car has been serviced by the ford dealership so many times and it still runs like shit, i will no take my chances with a ford again. not even my 240sx that is 20 years old

Could you please read other posts before you make one???
It is getting annoying...

[driftn_silvia]

I agree with drift freaq, Ford & GM have stepped up their game up in the last 3 year. I test drove my co workers 2010 Ford SHO earlier today and that thing picks up for being a big sedan and AWD.

[atutt]

All it takes is one bad apple to ruin it.

Actually, my family has owned F-150's since 1985... Never had one issue with any of them. Except my 04... Then it killed it for everyone.
I used to speak highly of Ford. Now I'll talk shit about them every chance I get.

I'm sure it's like that for a lot of people.
Just saying.... Can't expect everyone to be all giddy about the new Ford stuff

[drift freaq]

All it takes is one bad apple to ruin it.

Actually, my family has owned F-150's since 1985... Never had one issue with any of them. Except my 04... Then it killed it for everyone.
I used to speak highly of Ford. Now I'll talk shit about them every chance I get.

I'm sure it's like that for a lot of people.
Just saying.... Can't expect everyone to be all giddy about the new Ford stuff

I think you are to quick to judge. You had a problem and they warrantied it. Which means they were willing to take care of it.
Plus like we said earlier, the Ford of the last 3 years is not the Ford of 04. Now if you can't see beyond that? Then that blindness is your problem.

I could sit there and say the GM of 2002 was utter crap and falls apart. Guess what I would be right. Though I keep my eyes open and am willing to say hey maybe they have it right now. Check it out, wow they actually did get it right.

You miss many chances in life if you adopt your attitude of one bad apple ruins it.

You would screw yourself at the Grocery store based on that approach. LOL.

[atutt]

I think you are to quick to judge. You had a problem and they warrantied it. Which means they were willing to take care of it.
Plus like we said earlier, the Ford of the last 3 years is not the Ford of 04. Now if you can't see beyond that? Then that blindness is your problem.

I could sit there and say the GM of 2002 was utter crap and falls apart. Guess what I would be right. Though I keep my eyes open and am willing to say hey maybe they have it right now. Check it out, wow they actually did get it right.

You miss many chances in life if you adopt your attitude of one bad apple ruins it.

You would screw yourself at the Grocery store based on that approach. LOL.


Groceries and $50k truck are different.

First off..... NONE of this was warrantied. Aside from Ford terrible engineering. My problems also lie within the incompetent mechanics who worked on it.

It seems more people are taking offense to others not liking Ford more than anything. Ranting and raving that it's so amazing. But one person thinks otherwise. Suddenly it's an issue....

It's not just the 04's I have issues with either.

The bosses 2010 powerstroke... 3 faulty turbos in 6 months...
I just simply have no faith in Ford anymore. I see this ecoboost motor. And all I see are problems coming to light in the next few years.
I'd love to be proven wrong.

But close to $20k in repairs in 4 years...? Would you have any faith in a motor company?
"Hey my last Ford cost me my balls! I want another one!" I don't see that as a likely scenario... For anyone.
Even Ford's parts stamped "revised" fail incredibly quick.

[HyperTek]

-tnIen8Ru74
I like the motor and power output, but if i own a mustang it has to be a v8

[K_style]

I like the motor and power output, but if i own a mustang it has to be a v8

Agreed.... if I ever own a Mustang... it has got to be V8.... can't beat that roaring exhaust sound...

[drift freaq]

Groceries and $50k truck are different.

First off..... NONE of this was warrantied. Aside from Ford terrible engineering. My problems also lie within the incompetent mechanics who worked on it.

It seems more people are taking offense to others not liking Ford more than anything. Ranting and raving that it's so amazing. But one person thinks otherwise. Suddenly it's an issue....

It's not just the 04's I have issues with either.

The bosses 2010 powerstroke... 3 faulty turbos in 6 months...
I just simply have no faith in Ford anymore. I see this ecoboost motor. And all I see are problems coming to light in the next few years.
I'd love to be proven wrong.

But close to $20k in repairs in 4 years...? Would you have any faith in a motor company?
"Hey my last Ford cost me my balls! I want another one!" I don't see that as a likely scenario... For anyone.
Even Ford's parts stamped "revised" fail incredibly quick.

Nothing personal here. Just a counter point. I always love how the minute you give counter points to people on Zilvia they think you are taking it personal.

For instance, if there were mechanics involved that might have made the problem worse, perhaps you are laying the blame in the wrong place?

Now again this is just a counter point. If you cannot take it then do not post.

I only have you word. Nothing personal, but until I have both sides of the story? Perhaps I cannot even pass judgment against Ford, based on your words.

You have your opinion, I have mine. You speak of something I cannot verify so I call to question. That is all.
Nothing personal at all beyond opinions.

[atutt]

Nothing personal here. Just a counter point. I always love how the minute you give counter points to people on Zilvia they think you are taking it personal.

For instance, if there were mechanics involved that might have made the problem worse, perhaps you are laying the blame in the wrong place?

Now again this is just a counter point. If you cannot take it then do not post.

I only have you word. Nothing personal, but until I have both sides of the story? Perhaps I cannot even pass judgment against Ford, based on your words.

You have your opinion, I have mine. You speak of something I cannot verify so I call to question. That is all.
Nothing personal at all beyond opinions.

My cam phasers

They're not supposed to come apart.....

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/atutt/th_DSC_4859.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/atutt/?action=view&current=DSC_4859.jpg)

These failing resulted in my timing chain coming off and completely destroying my guides, tensioners, timing case, and because it's an interference motor.. I bent almost all my valves.

Oil changes every 3000-5000km... All regular maintenance....

Sure. I got a lemon... But why would something like this entice anyone to ever buy from that company again?

[pacotaco345]

We had a '96 explorer with a v6 and an auto that had 230xxx miles on it before we sold it. When we sold it EVERYTHING on the car still worked, the only thing wrong with it was a timing chain rattle and half of us who own 240's with a ka deal with that on a daily basis. As long as you take care of your car, and keep up on the "secret recalls" that EVERY manufacturer puts out then you'll be fine.

[exitspeed]

All it takes is one bad apple to ruin it.

Actually, my family has owned F-150's since 1985... Never had one issue with any of them. Except my 04... Then it killed it for everyone.
I used to speak highly of Ford. Now I'll talk shit about them every chance I get.

I'm sure it's like that for a lot of people.
Just saying.... Can't expect everyone to be all giddy about the new Ford stuff

No, personal experiences definitely play into things. However if you educate yourself on the subject of dependability you will find out that in general ALL car manufactures are super dependable today compared to even 15 years ago.

I had a 99 Grand Am GT in 99, brand new, like 12 miles on it. Thing was an absolute pile. At the time, admittedly, I wasn't nearly as educated on the subject as I am today. And it was years and years before GM would start making GOOD vehicles and convince me to buy another one. Now, I haven't bought another one yet, but I would not hesitate. And I recommend them to all my friends and family that depend on me for information regarding car purchases.

[PoorMans180SX]

I work on Ford, GM, and Chrysler products every day from 1985 to 2010. I can say that yes, they have made long strides (well except for Chrysler), but they're still a ways away.

I do think the new ecoboost engine looks really good and cool. The videos were awesome for sure.

But even modern 4.6 and 5.4 exhaust manifolds still warp and rot off the engines along with the exhaust studs. And that kind of thing is such a pain in the butt. Until they fix those kind of problems, I'll stick with the Japanese import world.

[exitspeed]

I work on Ford, GM, and Chrysler products every day from 1985 to 2010. I can say that yes, they have made long strides (well except for Chrysler), but they're still a ways away.
.

Yeah, Chrysler still has a waaaays to go.

[lewisfk]

the engine sounds great, the hype around it sounds great, but i will never buy a first year model anything! i own a nissan armada and that bitch is a beast! she takes away all my money on gas and i feel raped! I can tow to my hearts content and they stand out. Ford has made some radical changes in the last 5 years, and they may be the only one standing in a few years out of the big three. I swore to myself i will never buy a so called made in America vehicle until their actually are made in America and they can beat the other competitors hands down! Maybe in the next two years i will have an ecoboost in my garage! (maybe) what has chevy or dodge brought to the table? i know this there still accepting bail out money! :bowdown:

[K_style]

NVMD !! (http://www.google.com)

[Davidna2fi]

Chiming in here... I have yet to have a new Ford Ecoboost come into the shop lately, but I know for a fact that the engine was designed by a company Ford owns over in Sweeden... SAAB. I think SAAB has turbocharging down pretty good IMO, every turbo car needs maintence, if you don't maintain it, things break. I haven't had any SAABs come in to the shop for major failures, no turbo replacements, valve tick, injectors failing, etc. And most are over 140K on the clock due to the extreame distances ppl travel in Houston on their daily commute to and from work. I'm actually pretty confident that SAAB engineered this engine with little help from Ford truck division, and just said... more power more TQ... make it so!!!

[exitspeed]

Ummmm....Saab isn't owned by Ford...Spyker Cars NV does...and Ford doesn't own the them. And before the recent ownership change GM owned them.

So I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

[statickx991]

Ummmm....Saab isn't owned by Ford...Spyker Cars NV does...and Ford doesn't own the company them. And before the recent ownership change GM owned them.

So I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.


Correct!! ding ding ding. and chrysler is just screwed.

[tqstarburst]

Finished watching the videos,and i must say that im impressed with what Ford brought up to the table. Even though i have had shitty experiences with Ford and always thought of it as complete shit,i never thought i'd change my mind about it.

[Flicktitty]

I drove a Taurus SHO a few weeks after they came out, the power i thought felt very smooth. I just got a chance last week to drive a 2011 F150 with the new Eco-boost, and that puts my brothers 5.4L V8 in the 07 F150 to shame. they just sound kinda "goofy"

[fyneyoungstunna]

When all the domestics stop looking alike then I'll consider giving one a chance. Focus looks like a caliber, all the cryslers look alike, and ford...well I've rebuilt more than two ppl's shares of ford engines. Thank god for chevy and gm hahaha

[exitspeed]

When all the domestics stop looking alike then I'll consider giving one a chance. Focus looks like a caliber, all the cryslers look alike, and ford...well I've rebuilt more than two ppl's shares of ford engines. Thank god for chevy and gm hahaha

Chevy is a GM, and GM is domestic, therefore you also said all GM's look alike...

I don't see how this:
http://www.distrocars.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/2011-Ford-Focus-Sedan-Front-Side-590x441.jpg

Resembles this at all:
http://wheelscolorado.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/dodge-caliber-rt.jpg


They look nothing a like at all. Other then having, wheels, doors, and headlights.

[lewisfk]

Guys while in Texas i test drove the new F-150 ecoboost truck and it was great! I gave the guy my military id and he said go for it! I drove it around for almost an hour in the Austin area! Its got so much torque that i broke free a couple of times turning. The truck had little under half a tank so i drove it damn near to San Marcos TX and back to the dealership! I almost bought the damn thing there but i realized i wouldn't have room for my wife's friend to ride back with us to Cali! They also didn't give me a good trade in for my armada! they offered me 14500, carmax told me 15000 even! For some reason i only qualified for 2500 in rebates. Im going to wait for the 2012 to be out, when that happens the will give big rebates for the 10 & 11.
Let the wait begin!:2f2f:

[K_style]

One of my friend is looking into Ecoboost swap for S14... I will update if I hear any progress

[JDMJNKY]

Being in the diesel pickup truck business, I've seen some good stuff from ford and I've seen alot of bone headed maneuvers over the last 5 years.. This is ford diesel pickups from the last 5 years...

things like..
Run truck out/low on gas, injectors hammer themselves to pieces.. it's ok.. new set only $2200. Surprise :)

Need to light off soot trap, we'll inject extra fuel into cylinders on exhaust stroke.. sure it won't cause washdown and premature wear.. result blown motor..

Next year.. since last years fuel into cylinder idea wasn't the best (but we won't admit or warranty it) we put an injector into the down pipe... soon duct tape will be standard...

result from both, exhaust pipe hot enough to light your pants on fire if you walk by.. melted body work..

EGR is cooled with onboard coolant.. EGR clogs.. engine overheats YAY!

Neither of the above ideas lasted longer than 2 years so this is the new and improved idea for 2011-2012.
Onboard 10 gallon chemical tank that injects a proprietary urea water into exhaust and a very high pressure. Good thing to. It's only $12 a gallon and should only need to be refilled every oil change!

and well.. on all these screw ups... we made one small boo boo.. um.. well... on these motors we kinda didn't put alot of headbolts on them but we did put alot of boost... and so when these things blow headgaskets there's a slight problem.. the last 4 bolts on each cylinder head are kinda trapped.. so we weren't kidding when on step one of headgasket replacement it said "Remove and Lift Cab 4 inches".


So would I run out and buy a new twin turbo'd direct injected variable cam computer controlled gas pickup? Not on their track record for the past 5-10 years with twin turbo'd direct injected diesel pickups.

Prob not.

I believe you here. However to say a company can never change is naive. Take Hyundai and Kia for example. They have re-invented themselves by changing or advancing technology. I'm not saying I'd run out and buy one either, but you can't ignore proven results. I'm a believer in that engine, still skeptical on FORD. No car manufacturer is perfect, but I'd love to have that engine in a project car if it wasn't $5,000+. The astounding part is the motor is not even huge, it's a v6 w/ a displacement of an engine found in a passenger car. Using 2 Garret GT15's....Those turbos are for 1.0L-1.6L engine and only net 100-150whp.

To say the least, it would be the best bet for a consumer to let them work out the real world kinks before buying the ecoboost system w/ it's revisions for 2011.


Bums me out they haven't put the Ecoboost in the Fusion yet as a real Sport model.

They have. It's not marketed because
1: It's an expensive engine, and it would drive up the price tag of a Fusion.
2: IT SLAYS MUSTANGS, FORD "bread winners' WITH EASE! ( if

[Prime]

Something I didn't notice anyone point out... Ford has done something really cool with the new Coyote 5.0, and I'm hoping they'll do the same thing with the Ecoboost. You can not only buy the motor in a crate from them, but they also sell a wiring kit designed for custom installations. Makes it nearly plug n' play for any chassis. If I had a few grand to drop, I'd be looking at putting one in my hatch. <3000lbs and 412 RWD horses?

Yes please.

[BOROSUN]

Got any site addy where you can check those crate motors

[DHall243]

I was seeing a girl who had one, I gave that truck the baja experience....lol Ill probably buy one soon.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5221/5635842985_9b58e43276_z.jpg

[Prime]

Got any site addy where you can check those crate motors

Ford Racing Performance Parts (http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=11829) for the motor and Ford Racing Performance Parts (http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=12284) for the wiring kit.
For the 5.0. But as I said earlier. I'm hoping they do it with the Ecoboost motor. Especially considering it's already set for boost. They're both incredible motors, but without swapping pistons you won't be getting much of a blower strapped on @ 11:1 compression.

[JDMJNKY]

Not necessarily. All you will need to throw more boost at the ecoboost engine is higher octane, and a better tune. However if you just want dyno numbers/drag car I suggest use a cheaper engine. Using this would be a waste unless you bought it for what it is. A true economic beast. The reason why this motor works so well is because it is designed properly to begin with. Great fuel efficiency, great whp, great TQ. Does it have more potential assuredly, but you'll kill the "lure" of fuel efficiency.

High Compression + Twin GT15's = no lag

....so someone out there wants to buy this engine, go lower compression, bigger turbo(s) = back to lag for higher dyno numbers??? essentially the same as any other turbo setup on the market right now except those can be had @ 1/3 of the price. Pointless.


p.s.
Just my/one point of view, doesn't mean it's right.


Joel

[Prime]

Not necessarily. All you will need to throw more boost at the ecoboost engine is higher octane, and a better tune. However if you just want dyno numbers/drag car I suggest use a cheaper engine. Using this would be a waste unless you bought it for what it is. A true economic beast. The reason why this motor works so well is because it is designed properly to begin with. Great fuel efficiency, great whp, great TQ. Does it have more potential assuredly, but you'll kill the "lure" of fuel efficiency.

High Compression + Twin GT15's = no lag

....so someone out there wants to buy this engine, go lower compression, bigger turbo(s) = back to lag for higher dyno numbers??? essentially the same as any other turbo setup on the market right now except those can be had @ 1/3 of the price. Pointless.


p.s.
Just my/one point of view, doesn't mean it's right.


Joel

Well, the only thing is you completely misunderstood me. But as a result, you agreed with me, so it's not like I'm mad.

I was talking about the V8 5.0 TI-VCT and swapping pistons, not the Ecoboost 3.7. The 5.0 runs at 11:1, not the Ecoboost. I don't even know the CR on it, but I doubt it's that high. Which was my point. It's already set to go for more boost.

For the most part, NA motors nowadays are hard to get much more power than they come with from the factory. They're just too efficient to begin with. If you want much more than what it's giving, you need to go forced. Less work and headache to push more into the 6 than any at all into the 8.

[DHall243]

I was talking about the V8 5.0 TI-VCT and swapping pistons, not the Ecoboost 3.7. The 5.0 runs at 11:1, not the Ecoboost. I don't even know the CR on it, but I doubt it's that high. Which was my point. It's already set to go for more boost.

Try 10:1 on the Ecoboost, Thats pretty high.

[Prime]

Try 10:1 on the Ecoboost, Thats pretty high.

It's lower than the 5.0, and it's direct injected. Big difference there.

[JDMJNKY]

I agree. My error.

[blownmotor]

The 5.0 is direct injected also.

[Prime]

The 5.0 is direct injected also.

Wrong. Direct injection is "protected" in the engines design. That means it can be added later without re-engineering. The motor as it comes from Ford is port injected, not direct.

Editorial: Do Not Buy A 2011 Mustang 5.0 | The Truth About Cars (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/08/editorial-do-not-buy-a-2011-mustang-5-0/)
Pictures of a cutaway showing the casting area where DI can be added.
2011 Mustang Engine - Fuel System and Boost Capability - Hot Rod Magazine (http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/engine/hrdp_1004_2011_mustang_engine/fuel_system_boost_capability.html)
Article explicitly stating what I said above.

[blownmotor]

That sucks

[lewisfk]

I own a Ford F-150 Ecoboost and I just hit 5,500 miles. My gas mileage improved after 4000 or so miles. I towed my boys car to Corona, Ca. My total weight towing was 5-5.5k, I average 15.8mpg. In my eyes that is great, due to the hills and bull shit stop and go traffic on the 15. I started to shop for aftermarket parts, but there far and between. Most void warranty or dont work. I read about a guy who through more timing at the truck and improved the spark, he says he netted an extra 12tq, 16hp. I want a dyno sheet before I do that. His truck has 80k miles and is 2010. First gen Ecoboost.

[simmode1]

Bump! It's been about 5 years since this motor was released and the swaps have begun. 435whp & 500ft/lbs sounds pretty nice for just a tune. Anyone thinking of swapping one into S-Chassis or Z?
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[turbronegro]

Lol at everyone saying the motor was going to be a huge failure 6 years ago.

[exitspeed]

My stance is the same as the beginning of the thread.

Anyone know what these are going for? Is it worth it as a swap over a LS? Curious.

My cousin has anFovus ST pushing 300hp to the wheels. I'm impressed still.

[lewisfk]

I still have my truck and I plan on keeping it until the disel version is out for 2 years. If that version sells the 3.5 low compression engine will decrease even more. 2018 Raptor has a H.O. engine and better timming chain and internals.

[turbronegro]

I'm trying to wait and see what the diesel f150 is about. Can't buy a first year.

[midnightreaction]

i reeeeally want a new ecoboost raptor, but they are so expensive

[simmode1]

My stance is the same as the beginning of the thread.

Anyone know what these are going for? Is it worth it as a swap over a LS? Curious.

My cousin has anFovus ST pushing 300hp to the wheels. I'm impressed still.
Just looked on ebay, saw a bunch of the 3.5TT for under $3k. Crate engine is $8.4k.

Christ. I just saw a 15k mileage 2.3t listed for $2100. Fuck an SR at that price.

Not gonna lie, been dreaming of different cars to swap the 4 bangers into. Can you imagine the Z32 with the 2.3t? Power like the VG30DETT, but probably 200lbs+ lighter and simpler.

I think these engines might become to preferred swap of the future. There are over a million of these motors in circulation right now.

Ford's already getting ready to update the 3.5TT with even more power since the recent 2.7TT was apparently overperforming.

[exitspeed]

Just looked on ebay, saw a bunch of the 3.5TT for under $3k. Crate engine is $8.4k.

Christ. I just saw a 15k mileage 2.3t listed for $2100. Fuck an SR at that price.

Not gonna lie, been dreaming of different cars to swap the 4 bangers into. Can you imagine the Z32 with the 2.3t? Power like the VG30DETT, but probably 200lbs+ lighter and simpler.

I think these engines might become to preferred swap of the future. There are over a million of these motors in circulation right now.

Ford's already getting ready to update the 3.5TT with even more power since the recent 2.7TT was apparently overperforming.

Sounds like a shop needs to get busy on a swap kit package.

[lewisfk]

If you still watch Auto Nation on Spike they did a Ecoboost swap into a f100. The company makes other swap parts but I would only be concern about the ecu options and a/c.

[lunchmeat]

Classic Recreations is putting the v6tt and 2.3t eb in 60s mustangs.

[d9m13n]

How much info is there on tuning these engines? Is it still mostly out of the box tunes and the odd shop build or is there some real in depth stuff about how much power the block/internals can take, weak points, etc? Its easy to see the potential of the 2.3 and 2.7/3.5 in an s-chassis. Could be a new generation of sr/rb swaps if theyre as receptive to tuning as the old stuff

[lewisfk]

How much info is there on tuning these engines? Is it still mostly out of the box tunes and the odd shop build or is there some real in depth stuff about how much power the block/internals can take, weak points, etc? Its easy to see the potential of the 2.3 and 2.7/3.5 in an s-chassis. Could be a new generation of sr/rb swaps if theyre as receptive to tuning as the old stuff

Gas Monkey has info they dropped it into a Pantera, and spoke with Ford about the ecu. They also upgraded the turbos

[simmode1]

Well, there is already a 9 sec Ecoboost Mustang, so I'd say they probably have plenty of support.

Not sure about the 3.5tt. I did see i post where ppl where complaining about not having a better intake manifold offered by the aftermarket yet & there not being much support since it's not in a sports car originally. But isn't the 3.5tt a detuned version of what's in the Ford GT though?

Oh btw...i was wrong about there being a million Ecoboost motors floating around. There's at least 5 million of them.

[driftsucky]

Not for nothing, but the ecoboost is in almost EVERYTHING ford sells, in one form or another. Fiesta, Focus (2), Fusion(3), Taurus, Mustang, Escape(2), Edge, Explorer (2), Flex, F-150 (2ish), and GT all have ecoboost motors. I think even the Transits are getting them for 17. And they range, in displacement, from 1.3 up to 3.5. So, you've got plenty of them floating around. Take your pic.

Hopefully with the two most popular ecoboost motors being in the Focus, some more aftermarket support will pop for them. ONly time will tell.

[turbronegro]

Are they no longer making the 1.0 ecoboost?

[drift freaq]

Wait till you see the 1.5 3 cylinder Ecoboost 2018 Fiesta ST engine that's gonna put out mor HP and TQ than the current 1.6 4.

[lewisfk]

I use to work at PepBoys in Gretna LA, aka the Westbank of New Orleans, and the Transit vans do come with the Ecoboost engine. This was last AUG 2016. I had a hard time trying to see how they did it without overheating the engine in commercial application but they did.

[feito]

I had a hard time trying to see how they did it without overheating the engine in commercial application but they did.
why is that?

[lewisfk]

Everything is tucked under the cab and seemed so cramped together. This was the first time I dealt with this engine layout. The vehicle lacked a good size intercooler as well.

[feito]

Radiators and cooling fans have come a long way. This, mixed with more technologically advanced turbos that stay cooler I'm sure has a lot to do with it. I laugh everytime I see a water-cooled turbo with its water lines not being used, that shit makes the heck of a difference. Air charge coolers (aka intercoolers) have also come a long way, and most of the times are cooled by the same fan that cools the radiator (and sometimes oil cooler too). The rest is pretty much left to the ducting, wherever the engine is mounted.
In fact, I dare to say that in many cases, people who change their radiators/intercoolers for a "high performance" one, they're actually downgrading, I say again, MANY CASES...
But back in topic and about this engine, mehhh.... It does look like it's a great engine and all, but I think Im going backwards and turning more into a purist, so Im just gonna sit back and watch you guys have all the fun.

[simmode1]

So what Ecoboost swapped cars are you guys most looking forward to seeing or hoping for a swap kit?

I wanna see:
2.0t MR2
2.3t & 3.5tt Z32
2.3t RX8

Naturally want to see some in 240's too.

[simmode1]

Not for nothing, but the ecoboost is in almost EVERYTHING ford sells, in one form or another. Fiesta, Focus (2), Fusion(3), Taurus, Mustang, Escape(2), Edge, Explorer (2), Flex, F-150 (2ish), and GT all have ecoboost motors. I think even the Transits are getting them for 17. And they range, in displacement, from 1.3 up to 3.5. So, you've got plenty of them floating around. Take your pic.

Hopefully with the two most popular ecoboost motors being in the Focus, some more aftermarket support will pop for them. ONly time will tell.
Yeah, i was looking for production number data for each Ecoboost engine but these things are so plentiful, what's the point? They're going to be all over salvage yards soon.

The era of the LS is coming to an end.
Ecoboost all the things!!! Lol

[Standard]

I wrench on these things at work everyday and I'm not excited about them like you guys are lol
Not saying they're bad engines, but from my experience the front/awd engines have many flaws. Seeing oil leaking from the turbo, trans fluid seeping from the axle seals, etc, is commonplace at low mileage. I'm talking 20-40k

The rwd/4wd engines seem better, had a modified ecoboost f-150 in the other day that was pretty badass, and pushing good numbers from what the owner claimed :)

[simmode1]

Ahhh, that's good to know. That may be why the 1st gen 2.0t only lasted 4 years before it was completely replaced & why they're dropping a new 3.5tt...