vis 25mm rear over fender install gone wrong?

[airhead]

vis 25mm rear over fender
they only make 25mm & 50mm
Carbon Fiber Hood, Trunk, Hatch, Body Kits Megastore - Vis Racing Sports Inc. (http://www.visracing.com/newcatalog/Nissan/240SX/1989-1994-240SX/Body-Kit-108/Fender-36)


but why does the passenger side look bigger then driver side?
I used:
-SEM multi-purpose panel adhesive
-rivets just to hold the panel to stick to metal n cure for 24hrs

look at the pics tell me wat u guys think?
passenger side
http://i33.tinypic.com/jr4hmr.jpg
driver side
http://i36.tinypic.com/561qo.jpg


EDIT:the fenders are on now.
just to finish off this thread.
finished wet sand and guide coat
everything is straight no low or hight spots:)
so smooth!

i have kouki aero so it will just go over the bottom sections

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/89/l_6a0bf91836f64a408f4bbe9c58f7b899.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/79/l_aee8ff97b76c46d1b0b2fea39862d6c5.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/1498nc6.jpg

anyone have questions on how to ill be glad to help out.

[Kouki_monstr]

passenger side looks like a 50mm..cant tell you whats wrong..i have some dmax over fenders waiting at my house to be put on..im ganna have a shop do it just to make sure everythings done right.

[airhead]

i bought these from sonic motor i called they said these fenders could be mod. to go 30mm or 25mm

im going to have to stop by their shop so they can take a look

ahh so much work to put these on ...:/

[ILoveJDM]

looks like you got one 50 and one 25.

[Kouki_monstr]

hmm thats weird and confusing. I live right by moval. off the 60 and van buran lol.. anyways good luck man. Im real anal so im hoping if i have a shop do my overfenders that it will be perfect. id hate to fuck something up.

[airhead]

its not hard just time consuming :/ now one side has to come off shit

[airhead]

http://i34.tinypic.com/1i0g1l.jpg

[CrazyIvan]

bad pictures, cant really see the difference in details, but maybe you bowed one of the fenders a little and one looks wider than the other...

[JVD]

Ya, you probably just bowed one. Pretty fucking useless to fit the fenders without proper fitting wheels on. What did you use as a guide when mounting? Just line up and rivet on?

Wheels first.

Then fenders.

No one ever gets that right.

[airhead]

Ya, you probably just bowed one. Pretty fucking useless to fit the fenders without proper fitting wheels on. What did you use as a guide when mounting? Just line up and rivet on?

Wheels first.

Then fenders.

No one ever gets that right.

i knew there was going to be a smart ass

no your wrong.

body work then paint then wheels.

you dont want to get paint on your wheels. so you use wheels that you dont really care about.

stay on topic no smartasses

[CrimsonRockett]

You don't get it.

He means having the proper fitting wheels first(aka sticking way past stock fenders for you to need overfenders.)

Both of them would be sticking out evenly if your desired alignment is set.

THEN install overfenders and play with the overfender fitment to be as flush as possible with the wheel fitment. That way, both are bowed or fitted to be the same size on both sides.

You'd be a dumbass to paint your car with expensive wheels on it.(That's what rollers are for).

[davirene]

Hey bro...its me David.. Im getting ready to the same to my car.... Ive done a few bodykits but no widebodys yet. I do know the heat and how long they have been sitting at the warehouse make a big difference.

The rear of this kit was actually 3 inches wider on one side...I had to heat it to get it to fit right.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/davirene/240rear.jpg

[airhead]

yes i do have the proper wheels.
and proper offset for 25mm overfender with a good camber to set them in.
and my car is slammed

as you can see in my signature.

Im doing BODY work so i raised the car and put my stock SE wheels.
raised it so i can get paint under the wheels wells
and stock wheels so i dont get over spray on my good wheels

im just asking if one side looks bigger then the other thats all.
thanks

[SoCal-s130]

I had bought some over fenders from VIS around a year ago and they were packaged up and everything. Installed them and same thing as you. One was a 30mm and one was a 50mm. Took about 2 months of driving around with one over fender until they gave me another one. Also we recently put some over fenders on "TheSquidds" new car that were also purchased through VIS. Same thing happened with him and the opposite side was the 50mm. Weird. It is not Sonic Motors fault. If anything VIS is slacking on that packaging.

[airhead]

http://i34.tinypic.com/1i0g1l.jpg

i used clecos
Sheet holders provide the quickest method for holding sheets together for drilling or riveting. Drill the size hole needed for the rivet and insert the sheet holder.
Sheet Holders Sheet Metal Tools from Aircraft Spruce (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/to/sheet_holders.html)


and sems panel adhesive
http://semproducts.com/images/product_images/88_a_medium.jpg

ill show some more pics on how i install these in a bit

[airhead]

I had bought some over fenders from VIS around a year ago and they were packaged up and everything. Installed them and same thing as you. One was a 30mm and one was a 50mm. Took about 2 months of driving around with one over fender until they gave me another one. Also we recently put some over fenders on "TheSquidds" new car that were also purchased through VIS. Same thing happened with him and the opposite side was the 50mm. Weird. It is not Sonic Motors fault. If anything VIS is slacking on that packaging.

thanks for the info
yeah thats prob what happend to me ahh...:(

i talked to sonic motors already they just said maybe i installed them wrong??
they also said they want to take a look at it. so i might roll threw 2morow.

hopefully they can replace the fender without taking to long

kinda sucks that the fenders are glued on. so much work to line up and put these on and i might have to grind them off.

[airhead]

Hey bro...its me David.. Im getting ready to the same to my car.... Ive done a few bodykits but no widebodys yet. I do know the heat and how long they have been sitting at the warehouse make a big difference.

The rear of this kit was actually 3 inches wider on one side...I had to heat it to get it to fit right.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/davirene/240rear.jpg

maybe it was in storage to long and made one side smaller then the other.
idont think i can heat it. if i did it will get worse and maybe crack

[JVD]

i knew there was going to be a smart ass

no your wrong.

body work then paint then wheels.

you dont want to get paint on your wheels. so you use wheels that you dont really care about.

stay on topic no smartasses

No, I'm right.

Put your good fitting wheels on with your coils set at the ride height you drive at. THEN fit the fenders TO THE WHEELS. Once you see everything fits right, raise it back up and put the stock wheels on for paint.

I wasn't being a smart ass.

Although like socals130 said you might have two different fenders. So.... when(if) you get your new fenders install the way I recommended. It will make for better fitment.

Good luck.

[airhead]

1 grind to metal
http://i34.tinypic.com/2mzilcj.jpg

2 clean with wax grease remover and apply panel adheisive
http://i37.tinypic.com/2w58sxv.jpg

3 hold in place with clecos
http://i37.tinypic.com/xoii3p.jpg

let it sit for 24hrs then remove clecos and your done

[YoungGun]

Holy shit thats a lot of rivets.

[fuk240sx]

Holy shit thats a lot of rivets.

+1000

you only really need like 10 rivets per side....or 8 i dunno

[pyshin]

http://i37.tinypic.com/xoii3p.jpg

let it sit for 24hrs then remove clecos and your done

Wow. At least rivet in a consistent manner so it looks clean..

[Russ]

so isnt all that bare metal going to rust now? i undestand some of it will actuall be sealed between the fender but it looks like a lot will remain exposed in the fender

[wh0aitznic0]

That shit looks jacked up.

[godrifttoday]

1 grind to metal
http://i34.tinypic.com/2mzilcj.jpg

2 clean with wax grease remover and apply panel adheisive
http://i37.tinypic.com/2w58sxv.jpg

3 hold in place with clecos
http://i37.tinypic.com/xoii3p.jpg

let it sit for 24hrs then remove clecos and your done


loks good how it came out but what about all the bare metal u left exposed? it will rust? did u spray at least some treatment anything? ill be worried about that

[airhead]

you can evenly spread that epoxy threw the metal try to cover wat you can.

clecos was used to line up the fender in place.

and rivets are temporary just to sandwich the epoxy to metal and fiberglassl untill it cures for 24hrs then they come off.

these are goign to be molded in so they wont be no rust.
this epoxy only bites into metal or fiberglass and it used on panels like on what im doing.
heres a short video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZc7qvwPycE

im using evercoat fiber tech filler to mold these in
and finishing it off with evercoat everglass short strand
maybe even a small coat of SEM Finishing Glaze on top

it should come out smooth these fillers are strong and flexible onced cured.


so i called sonich motors again they said yes they have been having that problem with VIS packaging the wrong fenders sizes.
they are going to try to replace the fenders for me and get the right size.
so i need to grind these overfenders off and put the right size fenders on all over again...:(

[airhead]

+1000

you only really need like 10 rivets per side....or 8 i dunno

just maybe just 8 or ten rivets on perside if your not going to mold them in.

not when you use that epoxy all pressure has to be evenly on all sides.
and i used smallest rivets 1/8 so it will be easier to cover up.

[!Zar!]

What the fuck is going on here.

[JVD]

What the fuck is going on here.
I don't know...

Apparently he needs a water tight seal or something so he uses some sort of glue + 40 rivets.

:ugh:

[airhead]

I don't know...

Apparently he needs a water tight seal or something so he uses some sort of glue + 40 rivets.

:ugh:

some people just dont get it tsk tsk. your prob stuck on typical internet diy overfender threads.
this is the correct way to attach fiberglass to quater panels if your planning on molding the overfenders

SEM Products - Catalog (http://semproducts.com/Catalog.asp?prod=88)

[nathanong87]

some people just dont get it tsk tsk. your prob stuck on typical internet diy overfender threads.
this is the correct way to attach fiberglass to quater panels if your planning on molding the overfenders

SEM Products - Catalog (http://semproducts.com/Catalog.asp?prod=88)

i'd understand if they were going to be molded.... but even those who've molded overs in the past dont seem to have 40+ rivets, unless they are also filling over those.

if it was me (which it isn't), i'd view the overs as somewhat disposable and if the car was meant to be running into shit, then why would u want to kill yourself in becoming hercules to remove overs =(

to the OP, i hope u work out this weird mis sized over situation

[timtiminy]

im looking into molding my over fenders when the time comes. I was thinking about using a pneumatic hammer to make a recess the over fender would fit into so less filler would be used around the edges, ill lose like 2-3mm from the over fender but it should look super clean done this way. good info on the panel adhesive.

[ThatGuy]

if it was me (which it isn't), i'd view the overs as somewhat disposable and if the car was meant to be running into shit

Cars are not MEANT to "run into shit".

Stupid fucking drifters. :duh:

[punxva]

Cars are not MEANT to "run into shit".

Stupid fucking drifters. :duh:

I love you barry, ignorance is bliss though let them think that haha.

[kalypso123]

molding is excessive.

[David B S12]

what the fuck

[airhead]

ill post a step by step once im done with molding process.

and it looks like VIS is sending me another set :)

[airhead]

im looking into molding my over fenders when the time comes. I was thinking about using a pneumatic hammer to make a recess the over fender would fit into so less filler would be used around the edges, ill lose like 2-3mm from the over fender but it should look super clean done this way. good info on the panel adhesive.
just sand the edges 80-40grit a bit no to thin or it will begin to crack.
you might want to cut the edges shorter so you will have more room for featheredging
or just mold them all around evenly from OF to door to quater glasswindow to rear light area.

they will look more natual this way. ill post up some pics once im done

[aa87]

JVD is right though, you fit it to the wheels because you bow or compress them as you need for fitment. Not just slap them on .

[YoungGun]

Cars are not MEANT to "run into shit".

Stupid fucking drifters. :duh:
I lol'd .

[airhead]

just to finish off this thread.
finished wet sand and guide coat
everything is straight no low or hight spots:)
so smooth!

i have kouki aero so it will just go over the bottom sections

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/89/l_6a0bf91836f64a408f4bbe9c58f7b899.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/79/l_aee8ff97b76c46d1b0b2fea39862d6c5.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/1498nc6.jpg

anyone have questions on how to ill be glad to help out.

[Black240Ct]

looks smooth. molding isnt my thing... i like to 'run into shit'

but it came out nice..

was it the set of fenders you got or just formed a bow when you put them on?

[g e n k i]

Doesn't look like you cut too much off your stock quarter panels? 0_o

[RBD240]

i like rivets, 50 in each side, =)

But that looks real smooth, very nice.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/d13soccer13m/l_fc66a0741c454da0ad09687456dc075a.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/d13soccer13m/l_f96c30f7754d459ab5cfbbe9e7deda7a.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/d13soccer13m/l_33e2079b2d3f4a949289eebc1be4e751.jpg

[airhead]

i slammed the rear low low on my 18's to make sure i cut high enough.
its good:)


wow thats alot of rivets. alot of work to cover those up....

[!Zar!]

I contemplated slitting my wrists just now.

[dub40sx]

what are these kids thinking now a days?

[RBD240]

Not planning on covering them up. Seen many cars with overfenders in japan where the left em, looks just fine.

[240sxrb25]

thatll rust for sure. why didnt you use a low grit scratch (40-80) and use an ahesion promoter? factory paint finish is sometimes suggested for new paint and other materials because its so tough. thats a bunch of bare metal to be concerned about.

besides if you were plannign to rivet, then whats the point of being so concerned with the glue job
btw im not a DIY thread reader and doer haha...1st hand experience at school and working in body shop

[RBD240]

Aluminum doesnt rust

and i did it cause i like the look of it.

Spent two years in japan, Been to ebisu circuit on many occasions and alot of people just leave the rivet look.

[240sxrb25]

Aluminum doesnt rust


im talking about all that bare STEEL on your quarters

[RBD240]

Only bare steel is where the holes were drilled.

and eh, it'll be ok.

[airhead]

thatll rust for sure. why didnt you use a low grit scratch (40-80) and use an ahesion promoter? factory paint finish is sometimes suggested for new paint and other materials because its so tough. thats a bunch of bare metal to be concerned about.

besides if you were plannign to rivet, then whats the point of being so concerned with the glue job
btw im not a DIY thread reader and doer haha...1st hand experience at school and working in body shop

there is no more panel adheisive i got a another set of VIS fenders and i had to re do it again.

same here alot experiece at school no body shop but i do all my work my self.

and yes i do know about rust and metal im not an idiot to leave it to metal
there is many things to treat bare metal keeping it from rusting.

[airhead]

heres a nice video on a widebody:)
video get me pumped for some body work lol
YouTube - VeilSide RX-7 Fortune Model in Dubai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM--ZXs88_k)

[airhead]

oh and that panel adhesive
is a strong epoxy you just have to spread it and cover the bare metal
epoxy pretty much water prof rust free if you cover correctly.
that picture i didnt show

i only have 40min work time or it will harden like a rock no time to take pics for that lol


alot of cars today use that on roof skins,1/4 panels,ect. before they spot weld.

[datboibrad]

pics of said proper fitting wheels. i hope you redeem yourself with said wheels because so far this is not going well. i also hope you didnt chop up some probly decent quarters just to run wheels that would have cleared stock body with a bit of camber like 70% of the cars posted up around here.

[240sxrb25]

oh and that panel adhesive
is a strong epoxy you just have to spread it and cover the bare metal
epoxy pretty much water prof rust free if you cover correctly.
that picture i didnt show

i only have 40min work time or it will harden like a rock no time to take pics for that lol


alot of cars today use that on roof skins,1/4 panels,ect. before they spot weld.
i got ya, as long as it covers all the metal, epoxy would work good

[koolaider]

oh my , that doesn't look good

[sliding_josh]

I order B-magic 50mm overs and they were awsome only used 14 rivits per side, did not have any problems puting them on!

[deadghost]

This is why I refuse to use over fenders.

[kalypso123]

molding fenders is lame...

let the rivets show.

[widebodyseven]

This thread has a lot of stupid comments!

The OP is doing everything right and by the looks of it it came out good so far(waiting for wheel fitment).

I do my own bodywork too and molded panels also and i prefer it better then having them just riveted on.

Good luck with your project

[airhead]

lol showing rivets in the paint and body community will be wrong i guess.

some people like showing rivets. some dont.
plus when you rivet something flexlible it will leave a dip look around the rivets.
almost like a small dent.

im planning on painting my car black... idk wat company to go with yet.
maybe house of kolor black.

im still waiting for ED to re send me front overfenders the mold they sent me was all F&@K up.
im also working on my front bumper
trying to get everything staight and perfect for black paint.

[240T1R]

I know this is an old thread but here goes nothing, what things did you need to apply the SEM multipurpose panel adhesive? thanks

[fliprayzin240sx]

You could have just PM'd him. He probably dont even know this thread still exist.