The BIG marijuana discussion

[S14_Kouki]

So this is the perfect place for this thread. Ok this has everything to do with hotly debated political controversial things. Im not starting this thread with the thought of just talkin about getting stoned. What this thread is about, what government figures are for or against marijuana, What marijuana can do to help or hurt our country, What taxes, money, jobs, ect ect marijuana can do for america. This thread is here for everyone to give there opinion on what is going to happen in our future. So with that being said how do you feel, what info do you have to share??

[ESmorz]

Dooooooooomed

[S14_Kouki]

^ lol I figured that but I thought I could try this is the place for this article of discussion and it is a very big thing happening in america at this time.

[BustedS13]

it should be legalized, it's as harmful as the legal drugs we already have.

that said, people who can't stop talking about pot and pot laws and blah dee blah are fucking annoying.

inb4 "IT'S JUST A PLANT MAN MOTHER NATURE HERBS DUR DUR DURR"

[los_inc]

legalizing pot and taxing the piss out of it
is better then keeping it a black market item.
i'm sure selling legal pot would take a major chunk
out of that 9 trillion dollar deficit were going to have
<33
-los

[S14_Kouki]

it should be legalized, it's as harmful as the legal drugs we already have.

that said, people who can't stop talking about pot and pot laws and blah dee blah are fucking annoying.

inb4 "IT'S JUST A PLANT MAN MOTHER NATURE HERBS DUR DUR DURR"

excellent, this section of the forums needs help now there are more things ppl can express the views on in the political world :D

[DreamN]

^^ we might as well legalize a lot of the other drugs as well if it's to benefit the economy lol.

I'm cool with marijuana being legal. Tax it heavily. Get some cool brand names out there. Put an age limit on it.
Treat it like a mix of cigarette and alcohol laws. You can smoke in public, but not in doors. Can't operate any vehicles.
Bring on some heavy fines when people are caught driving under the influence. Milk it as much as possible.

[S14_Kouki]

legalizing pot and taxing the piss out of it
is better then keeping it a black market item.
i'm sure selling legal pot would take a major chunk
out of that 9 trillion dollar deficit were going to have
<33
-los


and u r 100% right its 1 Big way to make the government money they r passing up a great thing knocking at there door. I have heard one reason for it to still be illegal is because there is no way to test how high u r say driving like u can drinking and driving.

[aNskY]

Thats the thing.. if it were legal, they would tax the shit out of it. So instead of paying taxes out the ass, people would just grow their own. If you can grow a tomatoe you can grow some weed... thus no more tax money...

also the alcohol and pharmaceutical companies that the gov't has in their ass lobby hardcore against legalization because they think it will take some of their business. agreed on all fronts.

i smoke and i dont mind it being illegal, because i am responsible about it. also its only a violation (like a speeding ticket; not even a misdemeaner) and under $100 fine for posession of less than 28g in NY

if you drive around with quantities, blazin L's with the windows down, you deserve to get busted.

[ronmcdon]

Well the taxing would have to be done in moderation.
I think black markets would be inevitable even without tax.
ppl would always want more of whatever is avail (such as an even higher thc content product).

Overall, I am for it, but I do think there has to be some level of regulation of use.
At the very least, you can NOT have drivers who are hallucinating driving,
just as you would discourage likewise unsafe drunk drivers.

It can't be taken to the extreme and be a 'free for all' affair.

[DreamN]

we need cigarettes back in vending machines. do the same with marijuana.

[aNskY]

Well the taxing would have to be done in moderation.
I think black markets would be inevitable even without tax.
ppl would always want more of whatever is avail (such as an even higher thc content product).

Overall, I am for it, but I do think there has to be some level of regulation of use.
At the very least, you can NOT have drivers who are hallucinating driving,
just as you would discourage likewise unsafe drunk drivers.



Kouki is correct too in what he said above me ^^ , a cop cannot prove that you are DWI on weed, so that is probably a big issue with federal legalization

we need cigarettes back in vending machines. do the same with marijuana.

man, those were the good ol days. cigarette machines were everywhere!!

[S14_Kouki]

aNsKY
I dont mind it being illegal as well if I had the NY laws in FL, down here u get busted with weed you go to jail. Like u say if your smart and dont do stupid ass things u will be just fine. Ppl will grow ether way, what is stopping you or anyone from making there own alcohol or growing there own hops for the beer??

ronmcdon
I as well think it would be taxed in moderation. Ppl do always want more even if it illegal or legal pot is just going to keep getting better/stronger with advances in technology there is no stopping that.

Has anyone seen Marijuana Nation on Discovery channel or Marijuana on CNBC??

[Touge Noob S13]

Marijuana is trashy, dont do it.:)

[jorge1190]

I also think that in the current situation the government really could benefit from something like this. My dad and I got in an extensive convo on this and he agrees because its short term effects are not as bad as alcohol i dont think. You've never heard of anyone getting poy poisoning. Testing if caught under suspicion would be as simple as passing or failing a sobrierity test. In VA even if under legal limit if you fail a field sobrierity test you can be booked for DUI.

[aNskY]

aNsKY
I dont mind it being illegal as well if I had the NY laws in FL, down here u get busted with weed you go to jail. Like u say if your smart and dont do stupid ass things u will be just fine. Ppl will grow ether way, what is stopping you or anyone from making there own alcohol or growing there own hops for the beer??


Has anyone seen Marijuana Nation on Discovery channel or Marijuana on CNBC??


Because it's a lot easier to go buy a 12 pack. It depends on how heavily taxed it is i guess, but if cigarette taxes are any indication, it would be OUTRAGEOUS.

are you talking about the documentary about nor-cal? i watched that a couple times lol

[obsolete]

Thats the thing.. if it were legal, they would tax the shit out of it. So instead of paying taxes out the ass, people would just grow their own. If you can grow a tomatoe you can grow some weed... thus no more tax money...

also the alcohol and pharmaceutical companies that the gov't has in their ass lobby hardcore against legalization because they think it will take some of their business. agreed on all fronts.

i smoke and i dont mind it being illegal, because i am responsible about it. also its only a violation (like a speeding ticket; not even a misdemeaner) and under $100 fine for posession of less than 28g in NY

if you drive around with quantities, blazin L's with the windows down, you deserve to get busted.

are the laws really that lax now? cause 28g is a good amount of bud.

I don't care what anyone says, driving while high does not compare in any way to driving while drunk.

[S14_Kouki]

aNsKY
yes it is alot alot more easier to buy a 12 pack. But maybe if u know, it does cost alot to grow great plants. You just dont plant it and you have the best shit on the street. So if ppl want good stuff they will pay or take it in your own hands and do it right just like building a car. And yes the documentary it is great and answers alot of questions. But from what I have heard Oakland, CA has started taxing and the crime rate has gone down alot.

obsolete
You r 5000000% right that driving high does not compare to driving drunk


BTW Chuck Norris is never late Your just early

[ManoNegra]

legalize it
tax it
use money to pay for universal health care

in the words of placebo:
"a friend in need is a friend indeed, a friend with weed is better..."

[S14_Kouki]

:bigok: could not of been said any better

[SlideWell]

and u r 100% right its 1 Big way to make the government money they r passing up a great thing knocking at there door. I have heard one reason for it to still be illegal is because there is no way to test how high u r say driving like u can drinking and driving.

blood test at the police station, just like they pull samples from drivers who dont want to or are unable to blow. take a better peek into sobriety test consent as breifly put on your driver license. you dont have to blow, you can always consent to a blood sample at the station, and that would be a test required by law to determine if you are under the influence of drugs.
at any rate, im pro legalization. its unfortunate how socially unaccepted marijuana is across the globe. people can be pretty dumb smoking weed, but dumber when drinking IMO. ive made some really shitty choices after drinking alcohol that i would have never made while smoking some pot, other than eating too much food :faint:

[LongGrain]

i think marijuana laws should be harsher

i also think cigarettes should be outlawed..

[SexPanda]

This is America. The legality of marijuana should be left up to the states. That whole deligated rights thing in the constitution that has been conveniently forgotten by the federal government.

But I believe marijuana should be treated the exact same as alcohol. 50% tax, strict oversight, and a minimum smoking age. I don't smoke anymore, because it just isn't fun to me. I like being in control of my body. and I don't exactly need to be having cravings for a big mac without a job right now lol.

[S14_Kouki]

SlideWall
Yes they could take a blood sample but that would not show how high u are at the time. It would just show you smoked within the past couple weeks. Since it stays in your system for awhile. Here is what i found and I quote "Alcohol is metabolized at the rate of .015 of blood alcohol concentration (BAC) every hour. 1 Thus a person with a very high BAC of .15 will have no measurable alcohol in the bloodstream after ten hours (.15 divided by .015 = 10).

LongGrain
Just wondering Why do you feel this way??

[S14_Kouki]

This is America. The legality status of marijuana should be left up to the states. That whole deligated rights thing in the constitution that has been conveniently forgotten by the federal government.

But I believe marijuana should be treated the exact same as alcohol. 50% tax, strict oversight, and a minimum smoking age. I don't smoke anymore, because it just isn't fun to me. I like being in control of my body. and I don't exactly need to be having cravings for a big mac without a job right now lol.

ahahahahahahahahahahahah I dont have a job ether (just laid off) :( I cry myself to sleep

its should be treated the same as alcohol

[reflexdb]

That's exactly the problem with America, too many state rights. It screws up so much shit without any benefit. For instance, look at emissions requirements for vehicles. Is there any reason that other states don't have the same strict emissions requirements that CA has? No. Just that the other states are either too ignorant or lazy to act.

And to get back on topic...marijuana should be legal. There should be NO drinking age so people learn from the start not to overuse alcohol. And cigarettes should be legal too - they are the most addictive of the 3, so we can tax the hell out of them.

Problem solved.

[SexPanda]

Yep... Me too. I have bills to pay and no means to pay them. sucks sooo bad.

in lighter news, Im watching James Bond right now and the asian woman he was sleeping with just trapped him behind a fold down bed and shot it up with a machine gun lol.

[Uookaa]

Legalize it.
Tax it heavily, along with tobacco and alcohol.

And if that's the case and you smoke weed...
Grow your own.

DONE!

[SexPanda]

That's exactly the problem with America, too many state rights. It screws up so much shit without any benefit. For instance, look at emissions requirements for vehicles. Is there any reason that other states don't have the same strict emissions requirements that CA has? No. Just that the other states are either too ignorant or lazy to act.

And to get back on topic...marijuana should be legal. There should be NO drinking age so people learn from the start not to overuse alcohol. And cigarettes should be legal too - they are the most addictive of the 3, so we can tax the hell out of them.

Problem solved.

too many states rights? This is a UNION, not just 1 giant country. The UNITED STATES, not AMERICA.

While I do agree California, and every state, has some stupid laws... They are there for a reason. Usually because some dicks abused the system, so they had to make a law to punish those people.

[S14_Kouki]

reflexdb
ummm im pretty sure that pot is less addictive out of the 3. And I disagree with u on drinking, I think kids these days r fucking stupid and they would all die someway if there was no age law on drinking, just because they dont know responsibility, I thought when I was younger that there should be no age limit but now im older they should wait for there own safety. And do you mean ciggs should be illegal because they r already legal. unless you meant that differently.

SexPanda
Im with you man I right now have $1200 a month in bill from school and loans, with no job cause I keep getting laid off WTF mang lol.

Im watch Chuck Norris maybe he can help, HELP us Chuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SexPanda]

yeah after I lost my job, I swallowed my pride and moved back in with my parents... saves me 400 a month. Still got 500 a month for my car.

Anyhow, imagine the tax money that would bring in! OBAMA COULD ACTUALLY FUND HIS HEALTH CARE SYSTEM!

who am I kidding thats not enough money.

[Slammed180]

Drugs are bad, Mkay?

With that said, Cops couldn't care less about it, unless you're trafficking pounds of it, or are blatantly using it in public. I don't really care one way or another if it gets legalized since there aren't any major consequences for using. It would probably cost more to buy it, if it were legal and taxed to the nuts, than it is to buy it illegally.

:2c:

Edit: Obviously, this is from a Canadians point of view. I realize it's not totally transferable to American customs.

[SlideWell]

Drugs are bad, Mkay?

With that said, Cops couldn't care less about it, unless you're trafficking pounds of it, or are blatantly using it in public. I don't really care one way or another if it gets legalized since there aren't any major consequences for using. It would probably cost more to buy it, if it were legal and taxed to the nuts, than it is to buy it illegally.

:2c:

Edit: Obviously, this is from a Canadians point of view. I realize it's not totally transferable to American customs.

if you use it, you tend to have it, and some states slam you for possession, others are more lax. treatment is a big pain in the ass as well as having a criminal record. funny how i used to smoke with a bunch of people at microsoft and all their legal issues are handled by the company. OP...here's a quick link for you. Go Ask Alice!: Marijuana: How long does it hang out in the body? (http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/1034.html)

[pignose4life]

Honestly I could careless if we get fully legalized marijuana because we have medicinal marijuana, all you have to do is go to a special doctor say you have insomnia or something hand them $100 and get a little card that legally in the state lets you smoke weed. If you have a medical card you also have the choice of growing either 12 baby plants or 6 adult plants which is tits. Im not sure if anyone is familiar with the prices of weed from dispensaries but it is really cheap, you basically get 2gs of BOMB ass herb for 20 bucks(at least here in cali). You always get more than what you pay for at dispensaries. So people please stop asking when weed is going to be legal and buy a medical card!

[BustedS13]

we need cigarettes back in vending machines. do the same with marijuana.

you guys don't have cigarette machines? there's one in every bar in this st-
OH WAAAIIITT LOLOLOLOLOL :D
no but seriously. smoking bans are bullshit. i don't smoke but if i go to a bar and get hammered, i do smoke.

Thats the thing.. if it were legal, they would tax the shit out of it. So instead of paying taxes out the ass, people would just grow their own. If you can grow a tomatoe you can grow some weed... thus no more tax money...

very few people grow their own tobacco.

[I LUV MY S13]

^^ we might as well legalize a lot of the other drugs as well if it's to benefit the economy lol.

I'm cool with marijuana being legal. Tax it heavily. Get some cool brand names out there. Put an age limit on it.
Treat it like a mix of cigarette and alcohol laws. You can smoke in public, but not in doors. Can't operate any vehicles.
Bring on some heavy fines when people are caught driving under the influence. Milk it as much as possible.

totally agree with this...heavy taxes, heavy laws, heavy penalties, age limit, limitations...i think it would work out ok

[BustedS13]

i honestly have no problem with anything and everything being legalized, with the same age restrictions and laws we have for beer and tobacco being used. tax coke, make some money. tax heroin, make some money. let the meth heads in the hills out here do what they do, stop wasting time raiding them.
it'd SAVE a ton of money because we wouldn't need police hunting down people/grow houses/labs/etc
it'd SAVE a ton of money/aggravation because cops wouldn't be getting killed in raids.
it'd KILL OFF the black market scum that get the hard shit here to begin with
MEXICO BORDER TOWNS would change because drug cartels would be pointless
it'd MAKE a ton of money from people paying for legal weed and whatever else
it'd DARWIN THE FUCK OUT OF OUR COUNTRY, too. legal heroin and meth? lots of dead people you wouldn't want to hang out with anyway.

[sblack13]

In all honesty, I think it should be legalized.
Its a natural herb and no one dies from using it.
They could tax the hell out of it.
Penalties should be harsh/costly.

[S13Boosts]

Just look at that beautiful thing.:yum: UM idk if there was something about not posting pics or whatever so just pm me if it has to be taken down and i have my Medical Marijuana Card,and oh yeah some DANK:tinhat:

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/752/bombc.jpg

[BustedS13]

^i mean, what you have is a federal offense, so I wouldn't openly admit use/possession anywhere it would be saved, electronically or otherwise. but that's your call.

[Touge Noob S13]

DARWIN THE FUCK OUT OF OUR COUNTRY, too. legal heroin and meth? lots of dead people you wouldn't want to hang out with anyway.

I wouldn't mind this, there are people in the world that don't deserve to be living anyways.

[BustedS13]

denver's rethinking their possession charges:

DENVER - A city panel in charge of overseeing marijuana possession crimes in Denver recommended on Wednesday that the fine for possession be set at $1.
If Denver's presiding judge accepts the recommendation from the Denver Marijuana Policy Review Panel, the fine would be the lowest in the entire nation for marijuana possession.
The panel was created by Mayor John Hickenlooper in December 2007 after voters passed an ordinance that made it so adult marijuana possession is the city's "lowest lawn enforcement priority."
In May 2008, the city attorney's office made it so those cited for the crime can mail in their fines instead of having to appear in court. At that time, the city attorney's office assigned the value of the fine at $50.
"By setting the fine at just $1, we are sending a message to Denver officials that the era of citing adults for using a less harmful drug than alcohol is over. It's simply not worth the city's time or resources," said panel member and SAFER Executive Director Mason Tvert, who coordinated the successful Denver marijuana initiatives.
Lt. Ernest Martinez with the Denver Police Department is also part of the panel and voted against lowering the fine.
"There's no indication that there's a problem with the fine schedule," Martinez said. "The panel is going outside the bounds of the language of the ordinance."
Martinez thinks there should be more dialogue about the changes.
(Copyright KUSA*TV, All Rights Reserved)

9NEWS.com | Colorado's Online News Leader | Fine for pot in Denver could go down to $1 (http://www.9news.com/rss/article.aspx?storyid=122082)

[deolio]

it really doesn't matter one way or another. people still smoke it no matter what.

[ESmorz]

i honestly have no problem with anything and everything being legalized, with the same age restrictions and laws we have for beer and tobacco being used. tax coke, make some money. tax heroin, make some money. let the meth heads in the hills out here do what they do, stop wasting time raiding them.
it'd SAVE a ton of money because we wouldn't need police hunting down people/grow houses/labs/etc
it'd SAVE a ton of money/aggravation because cops wouldn't be getting killed in raids.
it'd KILL OFF the black market scum that get the hard shit here to begin with
MEXICO BORDER TOWNS would change because drug cartels would be pointless
it'd MAKE a ton of money from people paying for legal weed and whatever else
it'd DARWIN THE FUCK OUT OF OUR COUNTRY, too. legal heroin and meth? lots of dead people you wouldn't want to hang out with anyway.

I :love: you

[Teddy]

Marijuana is retarded but do whatever you want with it, I don't really care. Legalize it, let people do whatever.

I don't give a rat's ass. To me it's all a bunch of baloney anyway.

[obsolete]

Just look at that beautiful thing.:yum: UM idk if there was something about not posting pics or whatever so just pm me if it has to be taken down and i have my Medical Marijuana Card,and oh yeah some DANK:tinhat:

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/752/bombc.jpg

Salivating.....yum

where is nj at with medical marijuana? Heard rumors about it getting legalized.

[shmiddy]

Im totally for legalizing the drug for medical and requreational use. im behind it 110%. i think i would rather smoke pot, than get shit faced drunk. Alcohol is POISON!!!!! I hate drinking to get drunk now, I just rather have my joint and a few beers and im GOOD! lol.

What ppl also over look is the growing of hemp. Hemp growing is also illegal here in the United States. But hemp is one of the strongest fibers known to man. It’s used to make close, shoes, rope, paper, and pretty much everything. That will stop our dependency on foreign products. if we had the farmers grow hemp, jobs would shoot up cuz AMERICAN ppl, and companies can use the hemp for goods. AMERICAN goods made by AMERICANS, with AMERICAN GROWN materials.

Like I said, hemp can also make paper. So instead of cutting down a 100yr old tree to make a few 1000 sheets of paper, it takes less hemp plants to make as much paper as one tree. (I don’t know if that makes sense, im kinda stoned jkjkjk). PLUS its cheaper to manufacture....

I JUST DONT GET IT.......... it makes no scene...... just legalize it already ppl do it anyways

[Phlip]

Let the record show that this thread only lasts as long as people keep the discussion legal, we have no interest in seeing anyone's stash or gear.
Touch and go, first time anything goes awry, I close.

*edit*
Oh damn, looks like someone has blown it already.
Thanks for playing, folks!