Chevy volt to get 230 mpg

[bboyswoosh87]

What you guys think?

Chevy Volt To Get 230 MPG City Fuel Economy Rating - chevy volt - Gizmodo (http://gizmodo.com/5334669/chevy-volt-to-get-230-mpg-city-fuel-economy-rating)

[BustedS13]

yeah, but it doesn't do that on its own. you have to plug it in. so, 230mpg plus added cost on your home power bill.

[exitspeed]

yeah, but it doesn't do that on its own. you have to plug it in. so, 230mpg plus added cost on your home power bill.

That's explained here:

Under the new methodology being developed, EPA weights plug-in electric vehicles as traveling more city miles than highway miles on only electricity. The EPA methodology uses kilowatt hours per 100 miles traveled to define the electrical efficiency of plug-ins. Applying EPA's methodology, GM expects the Volt to consume as little as 25 kilowatt hours per 100 miles in city driving. At the U.S. average cost of electricity (approximately 11 cents per kWh), a typical Volt driver would pay about $2.75 for electricity to travel 100 miles, or less than 3 cents per mile.


So either way, it's awesome.

According to the guys working on the Nissan Leaf EV the Leaf will get 367.

Nissan Leaf = 367 mpg, no tailpipe, and no gas required. Oh yeah, and it'll be affordable too!

[FRpilot]

sounds like it is like 90% electric, and 10% gas. so it's not that astonishing.

[exitspeed]

^
Do you know of another production vehicle currently on the market that can achieve numbers like that? Gas, Hybrid, Desiel, etc etc? The answer is no, because there isn't.

And unlike cars like the Prius and Insight this car will a deliver sports sedan ride.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Hey Mel you quoted the Leaf having 367mpg with no tailpipe. What is it running off of besides power?

[Matej]

Without the Chevrolet badge, I would think it is a Civic.

[exitspeed]

Hey Mel you quoted the Leaf having 367mpg with no tailpipe. What is it running off of besides power?

It's a zero emmissions Electric car ie no tailpipe.

Check it out.
Nissan Leaf Electric Car | Nissan USA Official Site (http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/)

[VROOOM]

it only gets 230mpg if you drive low miles everyday. the gas milegage goes down alot if you drive more than 40 mile a day. it runs 40 miles on electric power and then switches to gas. so if you drive 80 miles a day you wont get 230mpg.

its a good start but the way they figure out the MPG just doesnt sound right

[murda-c]

who drives 80 miles a day anyway, lol

[VROOOM]

i used to with my old job.


here is an explanation of how they measure the MPG, doesnt sound right that the mileage goes down the more you drive.




"When gasoline is providing the power, the Volt might get as much as 50 mpg.

But that mpg figure would not take into account that the car has already gone 40 miles with no gas at all.

So let's say the car is driven 50 miles in a day. For the first 40 miles, no gas is used and during the last 10 miles, 0.2 gallons are used. That's the equivalent of 250 miles per gallon. But, if the driver continues on to 80 miles, total fuel economy would drop to about 100 mpg. And if the driver goes 300 miles, the fuel economy would be a just 62.5 mpg."


http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/11/autos/volt_mpg/index.htm?postversion=2009081108

[exitspeed]

who drives 80 miles a day anyway, lol

No kidding. My wife and I drive more then almost anyone I know and we put on like 300 miles a week. Which is like 42 miles a day.

Some weeks though we put on 500-600 miles. We also do a lot of 4 hour road trips.

I'd still be happy getting those numbers during a regular work week.

[FRpilot]

who drives 80 miles a day anyway, lol

i drive close to that. 34miles 1 way x 2 = 68. Add in little errands around the day for lunch/dinner, shopping, etc. and i'm pretty close.

[LongGrain]

are you guys being serious? what is the difference, even if you cut your gas mileage IN HALF (unlikely) by driving 80 miles a day, thats still 115mpg.

its not like its going to drop to 15mpg if you exceed 40 miles. lets be real...

[exitspeed]

are you guys being serious? what is the difference, even if you cut your gas mileage IN HALF (unlikely) by driving 80 miles a day, thats still 115mpg.

its not like its going to drop to 15mpg if you exceed 40 miles. lets be real...

That's what I'm thinking. People are actin like they don't want their car to get 100mpg. And that they aren't impressed that this car under normal driving conditions gets 230mpg.

[VROOOM]

are you guys being serious? what is the difference, even if you cut your gas mileage IN HALF (unlikely) by driving 80 miles a day, thats still 115mpg.

look at the link i posted it says 80 miles would get you 100mpg. so you double the miles and you lose more than half theMPG. its still great but hardly 230mpg as advertised.

american consumers are going to buy the car thinking they will get 230mpg.
the cars now will get thier advertised MPG for a whole tank as long as you stay out of the gas. this car is mileage dependent which i think is goingthe wrong way about it. well at least its opposite of what the consumer is used to. its going to cause alot of confusion.

[murda-c]

Are any of you confused?

[exitspeed]

look at the link i posted it says 80 miles would get you 100mpg. so you double the miles and you lose more than half theMPG. its still great but hardly 230mpg as advertised.

american consumers are going to buy the car thinking they will get 230mpg.
the cars now will get thier advertised MPG for a whole tank as long as you stay out of the gas. this car is mileage dependent which i think is goingthe wrong way about it. well at least its opposite of what the consumer is used to. its going to cause alot of confusion.

You are missing the point. If you drive it under the circumstances they mention, which is 40 miles, which is also what 80% of the country drives a day, you DO achieve those numbers.

It's not like they are being deceiving at all. It's the same as say a Corolla getting XXmpg under normal driving conditions. If you drive 115mpg though you won't get as good of gas mileage.

[aznpoopy]

look at the link i posted it says 80 miles would get you 100mpg. so you double the miles and you lose more than half theMPG. its still great but hardly 230mpg as advertised.

american consumers are going to buy the car thinking they will get 230mpg.
the cars now will get thier advertised MPG for a whole tank as long as you stay out of the gas. this car is mileage dependent which i think is goingthe wrong way about it. well at least its opposite of what the consumer is used to. its going to cause alot of confusion.

that's a fair concern, but it's a problem with chevy marketing (trying to make the car look as good as possible) and EPA standards (how to address a hybrid of a plug in and a standard hybrid)

simple solution. it's really just one number (plug in mode) for the first 40 miles, and then a second mpg number (electric motor on gas generator mode) for all the miles after. chevy could get its advertising points in too by jamming in an average mpg rating for 40, 60, 80 and 100 etc. miles before plug in.

the concept itself is awesome. give americans a plug in that corresponds to their average daily commute, so they get the gas savings of a plug in; but give it a gas motor too so it doesn't have super limited range like a real plug in would.

too bad it costs $40,000. 32.5k after tax credit. maybe i'll buy in when the 2nd or 3rd gen comes out.

[VROOOM]

im not confused, but im also a car enthusiast and these things interest me. the general public are not car enthusiasts and will see 230mpg and think well since my corolla gets 38mpg(all the time) and this car gets 230mpg. they will think it always gets 230mpg.


i think its a good idea. i just think GM is marketing the wrong way.

[S13Boosts]

Toyota will FOR SURE have a come back after this!

[exitspeed]

too bad it costs $40,000. 32.5k after tax credit. maybe i'll buy in when the 2nd or 3rd gen comes out.

Which is what a Camry Hybrid costs that only gets 33(city)/34(hwy) mpg.

Sooo lets see...

The average American can who commutes less then 40 per day can buy a Camry for $32k, and get 34mpg or for the same price they can get a Volt for the same price that gets 230mpg...

Again this being based off of what 80% of the countries commuting habits. Not 10%. Not 30%. Not 50 or 60%. 80% of the countries habits.

[OptionZero]

Yawn.

Where's the hydrogen fuel cell shit that'll make "electric" cars a joke?

[exitspeed]

Yawn.

Where's the hydrogen fuel cell shit that'll make "electric" cars a joke?

20 years off. See ya then.

[OptionZero]

Which is what a Camry Hybrid costs that only gets 33(city)/34(hwy) mpg.

80% of the countries habits.

That's more of an indictment against the Camry Hybrid, which is a joke. Actually, all of those "hybrid" versions of regular cars are a joke. Sticking an electric motor in a regular car doesn't do jack - as a I understand it, the power-to-weight ratio of batteries/electric motors severely limits the actual gain from throwing in that electric power.

The Prius gets gaudy numbers because its relatively light compared to other cars of its size, it has good aero, the gas engine has no power, and it has tires with no grip at all. Strip away all that shit and get a "Regular" car and you get marginal improvements over the gas version (i.e. camry v. camry hybrid).


Take all this stupid safety and luxury out of cars, get the curb weight down, and train people to drive smarter.

[OptionZero]

20 years off. See ya then.

Until then, I'll get a used civic for a couple grand to commute with, and then i can kill the planet with my 240 on the weekends.

[exitspeed]

That's more of an indictment against the Camry Hybrid, which is a joke. Actually, all of those "hybrid" versions of regular cars are a joke. Sticking an electric motor in a regular car doesn't do jack - as a I understand it, the power-to-weight ratio of batteries/electric motors severely limits the actual gain from throwing in that electric power.

The Prius gets gaudy numbers because its relatively light compared to other cars of its size, it has good aero, the gas engine has no power, and it has tires with no grip at all. Strip away all that shit and get a "Regular" car and you get marginal improvements over the gas version (i.e. camry v. camry hybrid).


Take all this stupid safety and luxury out of cars, get the curb weight down, and train people to drive smarter.

Yeah the Camry hybrid does suck actually. Even compared to the Prius though, there's no comparison here under the same conditions.

The only car that is worth it's weight as a hybrid right now for me is the Fusion Hybrid. That thing actually performs like a sporty vehicle AND gets 43 mps in real world conditions.

Until then, I'll get a used civic for a couple grand to commute with, and then i can kill the planet with my 240 on the weekends.

It's an infrastructure thing with hydrogen more then anything. The technology is there. It's still expensive, but not as expensive as getting the infrastructure lined up.

[atutt]

GM will kill it just like they did the EV-1...

Oil companies can't make any money on this crap... And they rule the world...

[OptionZero]

I've only given the hydrogen stuff a cursory glance (and seen that Top Gear ep on it), but it seems like a far more promising direction than "plug-in" garbage that simply shifts the oil-burning process from the engine to a power plant. I'm sure you get gains because a bigass power plant somewhere is more efficient than a gas engine you can fit into a car, but you're still using using fossil fuel. On the other hand, we aren't running out of hydrogen anytime soon.

Doesn't Honda already have some refueling stations in Socal already? If the only thing holding this shit back is the politics and initial start up costs, then it's quite sad.

I still don't think the entry price of new hybrid vehicles is "worth it" compared to getting a shitbox to bum around in (which not everyone is willing to do, admittedly) and there's the whole South Park thing where most Prius drivers are absolute tools.

[BustedS13]

Which is what a Camry Hybrid costs that only gets 33(city)/34(hwy) mpg.

Sooo lets see...

The average American can who commutes less then 40 per day can buy a Camry for $32k, and get 34mpg or for the same price they can get a Volt for the same price that gets 230mpg...

Again this being based off of what 80% of the countries commuting habits. Not 10%. Not 30%. Not 50 or 60%. 80% of the countries habits.

or i could buy an '88 Caddy and $31,000 worth of fuel. hmm.

[exitspeed]

or i could buy an '88 Caddy and $31,000 worth of fuel. hmm.

4000lbs paper weights are pretty cool. lol.

[VROOOM]

there is or used to be a charging station at Healthsouth hockey rink(where the kings practice).

[theicecreamdan]

San Diego, and several other areas are building charging stations in the next year for the release of the Nissan leaf. 1,000 leafs are supposed to come to San Diego in a year.

[exitspeed]

San Diego, and several other areas are building charging stations in the next year for the release of the Nissan leaf. 1,000 leafs are supposed to come to San Diego in a year.

Yeah it's being released in like 4 test markets IIRC.

[axiomatik]

Yawn.

Where's the hydrogen fuel cell shit that'll make "electric" cars a joke?

Hydrogen has huge hurdles still to overcome. How do you generate the hydrogen? If it's through electricity, it will take more electricity to first generate the hydrogen, compress it, distribute it, and then convert it back into electricity through a fuel cell than if you had just charged up a battery in the first place. Also, there is no distribution system yet, every house already has electricity. Storage in the car is still an issue that hasn't been resolved.

That's more of an indictment against the Camry Hybrid, which is a joke. Actually, all of those "hybrid" versions of regular cars are a joke. Sticking an electric motor in a regular car doesn't do jack - as a I understand it, the power-to-weight ratio of batteries/electric motors severely limits the actual gain from throwing in that electric power.

The Prius gets gaudy numbers because its relatively light compared to other cars of its size, it has good aero, the gas engine has no power, and it has tires with no grip at all. Strip away all that shit and get a "Regular" car and you get marginal improvements over the gas version (i.e. camry v. camry hybrid).


Take all this stupid safety and luxury out of cars, get the curb weight down, and train people to drive smarter.

I see Mel already mentioned it, but the Fusion Hybrid is rated at 41/36mpg, the standard 4-cyl, 22/31, an 86% improvement in city mileage. The Escape Hybrid gets 34/31mpg, whereas the 4-cyl Escape gets 20/28mpg, an 85% improvement in city mileage. I have a theory that Toyota is just lazy in applying their hybrid drive to other models, more interested in raking in cash on green-cred that actually maximizing gas mileage.

I've only given the hydrogen stuff a cursory glance (and seen that Top Gear ep on it), but it seems like a far more promising direction than "plug-in" garbage that simply shifts the oil-burning process from the engine to a power plant. I'm sure you get gains because a bigass power plant somewhere is more efficient than a gas engine you can fit into a car, but you're still using using fossil fuel. On the other hand, we aren't running out of hydrogen anytime soon.

Doesn't Honda already have some refueling stations in Socal already? If the only thing holding this shit back is the politics and initial start up costs, then it's quite sad.

I still don't think the entry price of new hybrid vehicles is "worth it" compared to getting a shitbox to bum around in (which not everyone is willing to do, admittedly) and there's the whole South Park thing where most Prius drivers are absolute tools.

I've already mentioned several of the major hurdles hydrogen faces. However, in this post you act as if hydrogen is just free for the picking. True, hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, but it isn't readily available as hydrogen gas. On earth, all hydrogen is is bonded into other substances. We can't just drill for hydrogen gas, it doesn't exist on earth. Hydrogen gas has to be made. One method is to strip hydrogen out of petroleum, which certainly doesn't address the oil issue. The most talked about method is to electrolyze water, which takes electricity. More electricity, in fact, than it would take just to charge the batteries in a car parked in your garage.

[aznpoopy]

+1

On the other hand, we aren't running out of hydrogen anytime soon.


we're not running out because we never had any to begin with. we have to manufacture hydrogen.

the most common production method currently is to extract hydrogen from (you guessed it) fossil fuels. or electrolysis from water (in which case the energy source is whatever powers the electric current).

it's an energy carrier, NOT an energy source. currently, it's no different than a battery.

[ayuaddict]

or i could buy an '88 Caddy and $31,000 worth of fuel. hmm.

i agree with this man. (i would prefer a Galaxy, but to each his own)

if being cool is not a priority, pick up a EF civic hatchback, 45mpg at least.

so, say you pick up a REALLY nice one, you might pay a hefty $2000.

so then you have $38,000 left for fuel.

fuel is at around $3 per gallon, being generous, so that comes out to 12,667 gallons, or 570,000 miles.

and thats without factoring in all the problems you will have with the GM car and pricier insurance.

[BustedS13]

i agree with this man. (i would prefer a Galaxy, but to each his own)

if being cool is not a priority, pick up a EF civic hatchback, 45mpg at least.

so, say you pick up a REALLY nice one, you might pay a hefty $2000.

so then you have $38,000 left for fuel.

fuel is at around $3 per gallon, being generous, so that comes out to 12,667 gallons, or 570,000 miles.

and thats without factoring in all the problems you will have with the GM car and pricier insurance.

THANK YOU.

you're going to look like a geek in either an EF civic or a Volt or a Prius. why not pick the car you can fix in your garage and enough gas to drive it for over a decade?

[!Zar!]

So how can an electric car get any mpg without any gallons in the first place?

HHHHHHMMMM?

[aznpoopy]

energy equivalence

Under the tentative guidelines, which rate vehicles in kilowatt hours per 100 miles rather than miles per gallon, the Leaf would achieve the equivalent of 367 mpg despite the fact that it doesn't actually use any gasoline.

[bboyswoosh87]

GM will kill it just like they did the EV-1...

Oil companies can't make any money on this crap... And they rule the world...


Too bad i heard oil is running out, so thats why they are looking at the alternatives.

[Genovese.Jr]

how about just gas lol

[TheWolf]

I heard it runs on hopes and dreams and a magical unicorn is under the hood powering it. Instead of HP they now have UP.

will Gm go broke making this car? who knows. I'd like to give it 3 years to see a toyota/honda competitor. Building it with the same drivetrain layout as a diesel locomotive makes sense. I hope it actually does what it's supposed to or the electric car is gonna be killed again.

[kandyflip445]

It's a zero emmissions Electric car ie no tailpipe.

Check it out.
Nissan Leaf Electric Car | Nissan USA Official Site (http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/)

So it's not really MPG then! :kiss:

So to be correct for electric cars, what takes the place of MPG? (serious question)

Mother-effer it was answered on the second page, kinda. Is there going to be a term to replace MPG?

[Bubbles]

I'm already tired of this thing.

It's fucking up my youtube.

[BustedS13]

nobody heard of the EV-1 until it was dead. this has been hyped for years. anybody saying they're going to "kill" this is retarded.

you can buy it. you think they're going to come to your house and steal your property in the night?

[HyperTek]

maybe superstreet and modified mag will start covering these things and they will become the next trend car, then they will be the next hot theft car. hahah jk

[Chad4061]

yea electric charge ups are only gonna run up electricity so not saving much i guess...hopefully hydrogen technology comes along

[axiomatik]

where do you think the hydrogen is going to come from? It takes energy to produce hydrogen.

Electricity consumption follows a bell curve, high during the day when everyone is at work, peaking in the afternoon when AC's are on full blast, and much lower at night when lights are off and AC usage is at a minimum. By charging electric cars at night, when usage is at it's lowest, you could add millions of electric cars to the road with out having to increase electrical generating capacity at all. Electricity is cheaper than gasoline, and electric motors are better than 90% efficient, compared to gas engine's 30% efficiency, so it takes a lot less energy too.