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axiomatik
04-04-2009, 02:14 PM
So, I'm a little stumped. Redtop SR in a '89.

One day a few months ago, I started up my car and it ran like crap. After determining that it was running on 3 cylinders, I narrowed it down to the #1 injector. Swapping the #1 and 2 injectors caused the problem to swap to cyl #2. For a while, I was trying to mess around with some used injectors I bought off a fellow premie, but I was not getting anywhere. I couldn't get the car to start at all, even though it had previously started no problem on 3 cylinders. I was starting to worry that another problem had arisen.

I made sure that I had spark on all four cylinders, and I pulled the fuel rail out to check if the injectors were indeed firing. As expected, injector #2 wasn't. I swapped it back to cyl #1, pulled the rail out a bit (though still had the injectors aimed into the manifold), had my wife crank it, and voila, I had ignition, even though cyl #1 had no fuel. I had her kill it right away, since my oil is full of gas from pulling injectors so many times.

So, I bought a new injector, put it in, thinking my problem was solved, cranked it, and got nothing. It just turns over and I never get ignition. I decided to pull the fuel rail again to make sure cyl #1 was now getting fuel. I had my wife crank it, and again, I got ignition. So I bolted the fuel rail back in, go to crank it, and I get nothing. It just cranks and cranks.

What could be going on here? If i pull the fuel rail out 1/2", it'll start, but if the rail is properly installed, I get no ignition. The engine is probably pulling a little more air in the cylinders than it otherwise would, but it seems unlikely that my MAF would have just so happened to fail exactly at the same time.

Last question, and it may be pertinent. When I pulled my fuel rail and watched the injectors, I was surprised to find that they all fire at the same time. Are they supposed to?

Apologies for the novel.

supreme_1
04-05-2009, 03:34 AM
yes they are all supposed to fire at the same time upon start up.

im having the same problem also, i never tried pulling the rail out tho. i will try that

ssao1
03-17-2010, 06:28 PM
Does anyone have an update on this? I am having the same problem with my Ka24De. I have to pull the fuel rail with the injectors to get the car start. And when it does start after about 10 seconds, it dies again.

What is going on? My injectors aren't leaking... But i do notice on the floor there is a fresh oil/fuel stain from the car when it was breifly running.

axiomatik
03-17-2010, 07:14 PM
I still haven't driven my car, but it does start normally. I'm not sure exactly what was preventing it from starting, but I suspect that I do indeed have a bad maf or tps or whatnot because my car runs quite rich. rich enough that I don't drive it until i find the time to fix it.

SleepR 240sx
03-17-2010, 09:40 PM
Could be bad MAF or TPS, or more annoyingly you could have some loose wiring in your harness which when you pull the rail out is actually causing them to connect, thus it starts.

That might be a long shot but it's the only thing I can think of for why it would be acting like that.

ssao1
03-17-2010, 10:29 PM
Thanks guys for responding in a timely manner. I greatly appreciate it.

As for the MAF and the TPS, i will check and test the sensors per service manual. As for the loose wire, I am not doubting it. I will go through it and see what i can come up with.

axiomatik (http://zilvia.net/f/members/axiomatik.html) ,

On you SR, check the signal wire from the MAF. You have a ground, 12V, and Signal. Make sure your signal has continuity from the sensor to the ECU. The car will start and run up to ~2500rpm if your MAF is bad.

As for your TPS, make sure you have installed it correctly so the throttle body is turning the TPS. I have seen one too many SR, 4AGE "mechanics" install them incorrectly and as in result, the engine just bogs/cut out when the gas peddle is pressed.

Thanks guys for the repspond. Keep the ideas coming...

Jaketenpointo
03-17-2010, 11:08 PM
Does anyone have an update on this? I am having the same problem with my Ka24De. I have to pull the fuel rail with the injectors to get the car start. And when it does start after about 10 seconds, it dies again.

What is going on? My injectors aren't leaking... But i do notice on the floor there is a fresh oil/fuel stain from the car when it was breifly running.

Your timing is off. Practically 99% sure. Quadruple check it. Mine was doing the same thing. The car will start from all the gas sitting in the cylinders getting pressurized and sparked, it'll idle for a bit then die.

I'd guess, oil leak is unrelated. But you should change your oil once you've fixed the timing because there's probably a bunch of gas in you oil.

ssao1
03-17-2010, 11:18 PM
When i was setting the timing, i set the crank pulley to TDC, and I took off the valve to inspect the cams. And the front cam intake and exhaust lobe was pointing in opposite direction. I set my distributor rotor to the #1 plug wire after it rotate ~10degrees.

On the web, I am unclear on what people meant to set your timing on TDC on the compression stroke. Can someone clarify that for me?

Thanks again guys!