4G63 in An S13??

[Damnthecops]

Hey guys, this has recently been in my head. I am in fact a DSM guy, i also used to be a Nissan Guy. Ever since i sold my s13 i have wanted one back, i also have learned to love the 4G63. So i figured maybe i can combine the best of both worlds.

I was wondering if anyone has ever heard of putting a 4G63 in an S chassis?

I have heard that i can use a mustang trans, but i was curious about a bell housing and also what clutch i would use.
Any advice or ideas would be greatly apprciated, please i am just looking for advice, so if you have some wise ass comment just try not to take up too much space on this thread

thanks

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

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I'm working on the same thing. not with a eclipse motor though. my evo 8 motor!

[MadScientist]

I have a S14 Kouki and an EVO9MR... I dunno if I would dare atempt this.

I did an Unsprung Twin Plate Clutch swap and Pull to Push Conversion on the Evo... that alone would crusify most the guys on here. I see blood shed just on the TOB Release Pin.

BTW... flame suit please... dunno how this is going to go over with the natives!!

-Drew

[Flicktitty]

i always thought the 4G63 was one of the best 4 cly. out there. i would love to see someone do this. I love when people do the 4G63's in the Honda's lol.

[s13 @ fullboost]

OMGZZZZZ haha it would be cool but I really dont think it would be worth the money if you want to do something wild and amazing I would love to see a V12 from a BMW 850i some how fitted into a s-chassis that would be freaking awesome untill that day a 4G63 would be cool but not a real big deal

[drift freaq]

I am going to refrain from commenting on this idea.

[racepar1]

I swear to god I wanna kill you all in the fucking face for this! A mitsufuckingshitty motor? DIE!!! This is even worse then the honda motor in the s-13 vert!

:down:
:rl:
:hahano:
:rant:
:smash:
:ghey:
:duh:
:axe:
:spank:
:loco:
:jerkit:
That is all, have a nice day.

[s13 @ fullboost]

^^ haha Like I said when you got the V12 in let us know =]

[racepar1]

^^ haha Like I said when you got the V12 in let us know =]

Huh? What v-12?

EDIT: Nevermind, when you actually completely read posts you get comments that at first appear out of nowhere.

[4sfed180]

only if its an evo motor or an older 6 bolt. i love evos. in fact more then s-chassis, so i would rather have AWD evo then a RWD evo-powered nissan :)

[Phlip]

I am going to refrain from commenting on this idea.

No you didn't

[s13 @ fullboost]

Huh? What v-12?


In a earlyer post I pretty much said it would be wayy cooler to see someone throw in a v12 from a BMW 850i into a s chassis I would deff like to see that shit.

[steve shadows]

:lfault: ha ha

cough - I have converted many 4G people to SR world - they would never go back - they also had their cars tuned properly and I consulted their whole builds - this probably helped a bit - (as compared to people getting their SR s tuned by shops because they have reputation in the honda community---errr. I guess that qualifies them right? ) or hey if they can afford to sponsor a drft car that must also qualify them as a Nissan expert shop? right?

I almost gave up on SR's for a while - then i taught myself how to tune them and would never see any other engine that should really belong in these cars- that's just personal preference I guess...

[racepar1]

In a earlyer post I pretty much said it would be wayy cooler to see someone throw in a v12 from a BMW 850i into a s chassis I would deff like to see that shit.

Ya I actually took the time to fully read your post and the comment didn't seem so out of nowhere. Reading helps I guess.

[s13 @ fullboost]

its all good no worrys it would be cool though huh?

[racepar1]

its all good no worrys it would be cool though huh?

Except for the whole motor weighing eleventy billion pounds thing. v-12's sound dope though.

[NISMO_tuner]

if ur gonne go through with that idea, please use the real JDM 4G and not the chrysler POS that comes in the lower mitsu models. I've dealt with that motor once and I swear, that motor absolutely doesnt want me to touch it. I wouldnt suggest putting a Mitsu motor into a Nissan tho. Ive always believe in putting Nissan motors into where they belong, Nissans, but thats my opinion.

[s13 @ fullboost]

You could load the rear with heavy bricks haha and get super good suspen set up front and you would be walking all over Ls1 240's

[jrbump]

I have a local friend who got started on this. Using a mighty max tranny and some other crap.

All I have to say is: no.

[lazysk8er2]

stay away from the 7 bolt...muhahahaha

[Damnthecops]

WOW i had no idea this thread would stir up so many thoughts. Look I know the SR is an amazing engine, BUT I can get my hands on a 4G very easily for very cheap... the swap itself would not cost too much. And for anyone insulting the 4G63 , you obviously don't know very much about how capable that motor is. If i were to be doing it i would be using a 6 Bolt anyway, I will agree with all of you and say that yes the DSM is a fairly shitty platform, they are only good at going straight and they even suck at that sometimes, but the 4G63 is an amazing motor that loves boost. I appreciate all you help, for those of you that have provided it.

[TUnity2]

i have worked on both the SR and 4G pretty extensively so in my honest opinion if your doing it because you want to build a car for high hp (well over 500) then i would say it would make sense, but if not then it isnt worth all the work to make it work correctly. the SR is just as responsive to boost as a 4G but is much heavier and your also going to a weaker setup of timing belt.

So if you did it it would only be for either the neato factor or because you want to build a very high HP car.

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

OMGZZZZZ haha it would be cool but I really dont think it would be worth the money if you want to do something wild and amazing I would love to see a V12 from a BMW 850i some how fitted into a s-chassis that would be freaking awesome untill that day a 4G63 would be cool but not a real big deal

speaking o V12's
put the bi turbo one out of an AMG Mercedes. That shit would be incredible brabus tunes those for like 1400 torque. That would be so epic. And if an rb fits maybe a V12? Some baller needs to do this

[zorak]

i dont understand the point in this swap.

vk56 into s13 = win!

[burnsauto]

damn interracial engine swaps...(yeah call me a car racist, whatever.) Engine swaps like that just wanna make me punch myself in the balls.

[5150Fab]

You can put any engine in any chassis with mods.

If you are trying to just do this because you think its going to be cheaper, your out of your mind.

If your trying to do this because you want to do something different and you have the funds to build on with the project than go for it. Its your car, money, time, and problem not ours so if you think thats the best thing for you to do, knock yourself out brother.

If i had the resources i would do it, with an evo motor! It has run through my mind a couple times becaue my buddies evo has about 1g into it and hes making 390 whp.

I love interracial! the world would be a better place with more of it.

[OBEEWON]

It would be cool but lets face it. 4 cylinders are homosexicall.

I know...I own one.

4G is a beast of a motor though.


PACKARD STRAIGHT 8 with ONE turbo the size of a man. Get summmmm!!!

[OBEEWON]

I love interracial! the world would be a better place with more of it.


Mixed women are the most beautifullest thing in this world...

There should be a law that you cannot marry in your own race, so that eventually everyone would be grey and war would stop cuz we would all be cousins.

Or I could just pour this jar of jungle feaver into the main water supply...

[5150Fab]

4 cylinders are homo huh....
watch this tell me if you feel the same.
Not all engines are built equally. ;)

YouTube - 4000_HORSEPOWER_DRAG....avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWUgbsMhzLM)






yea its a honda...

[racepar1]

WOW i had no idea this thread would stir up so many thoughts. Look I know the SR is an amazing engine, BUT I can get my hands on a 4G very easily for very cheap... the swap itself would not cost too much. And for anyone insulting the 4G63 , you obviously don't know very much about how capable that motor is. If i were to be doing it i would be using a 6 Bolt anyway, I will agree with all of you and say that yes the DSM is a fairly shitty platform, they are only good at going straight and they even suck at that sometimes, but the 4G63 is an amazing motor that loves boost. I appreciate all you help, for those of you that have provided it.

The MOTOR is good, it's the ELECTRICAL that sucks ass. Mitsushitty electrical is bunk, especially on the mitsuchryslershitty stuff that we get over here. Wait 5 years or so. All those cool bells and whisles on the evo's will start taking a shit, just like they did on the DSM's. I just HATE mitsubishi. Subaru FTW!

[5150Fab]

Mixed women are the most beautifullest thing in this world...

There should be a law that you cannot marry in your own race, so that eventually everyone would be grey and war would stop cuz we would all be cousins.

Or I could just pour this jar of jungle feaver into the main water supply...


HAHAHA do it! I agree totally. Same with cars, its a the most beautiful thing ever. 2jz 240=Black and Asian(my favorite interracial combos).

Pour away!

[stiizy]

I saw a integra with a Ej25 in it so i think this is possible

[Damnthecops]

yeh i def know it will not be an easy feat, but like you said i am doing it to be different and i know and love that motor.

i appreciate your input.


You can put any engine in any chassis with mods.

If you are trying to just do this because you think its going to be cheaper, your out of your mind.

If your trying to do this because you want to do something different and you have the funds to build on with the project than go for it. Its your car, money, time, and problem not ours so if you think thats the best thing for you to do, knock yourself out brother.

If i had the resources i would do it, with an evo motor! It has run through my mind a couple times becaue my buddies evo has about 1g into it and hes making 390 whp.

I love interracial! the world would be a better place with more of it.

[VanduzerLancerES]

FAIL!.
I love mitusbishi, I love nissan. But the two i wouldnt mix.
I dont like this idea. But more power to you.

[turtl631]

EJ would be cool due to the different layout. Having it so low and far back would be nice for front weight, especially using the JDM STi EJ20s that get all the cool parts instead of our retarded 2.5L. But 4G, eh. Seems pointless unless you're going for ultimate power output over the SR. A lot more 700+ hp 4Gs out there than SRs.

[5150Fab]

you wont build an awd 240...YOU WONT!

[schmauster]

A 4g63 would be awesome in an S chassis, they have the 2nd highest flowing head... second to the k20.. third is the KA24DE... Anyone who says this motor is homo hasnt looked at the size of the ports on the 1G head... not to mention destroking is easy and 10,000 rpm would be fun... Problem is the mighty max tranny is glass and fwd you would have no traction.... i would do it Rear engine rear wheel drive style in the back with a fwd tranny :D

[drift freaq]

This whole thread is exactly whats wrong with the current 240 community. No one back in the day would ever dream of putting a Mistubushi engine in a 240.

With all the great Nissan engines available this whole exercise is a exercise in futility in my opinion.

Yes I was not going to comment but this thread has gone on to long. If you have to put a non Nissan engine in? Go LS1.

[A Spec Products]

I would do this in a video game

Maybe a Playstation 1 video game

Not so much in real life

This is kinda one of those things you discuss with your friend, he looks at you funny, then you're like HAHA JUST KIDDING TOTALLY TRICKED YOU



With all the great Nissan engines available this whole exercise is a exercise in futility in my opinion.


I agree

I don't get why people want to always be so different or reinvent the box

Don't like the KA?

Go SR...

Don't get a CA18, don't get a RB20, don't get a VQ30, etc

I hardly can see the justification for those that put motors other than the SR

I'm more old school when it comes to 240's...I can't really imagine using anything NON-Nissan in my 240, much less a motor other than a KA or SR....that's just my personal taste though (if I wanted a VQ, I'd go buy a 350z...if I wanted a LS, I'd go buy a Corvette...)

If you want to be unique or different that's fine, its your car more power to you

But if you try to argue based on any kind of performance grounds, its really hard to make like the SR isn't the most logical/realistic idea for a motor into a S chassis

I think if you want to put a 4G63 into a S chassis, just DO IT

DO IT and then report back to us the result

Otherwise its just people arguing their opinion into a huge circle

[Damnthecops]

i agree with you 100% and the sole reason i am even thinking about this is to try and think outside the box, any joe shmo mechanic can drop in a sr... and im not knocking it at all i know its an amazing motor, but what is the big deal if i wanna mix things up. Look at Top secret, they throw so many different motors into many chassis and people dont hate on them... why? because its something different and unheard of. We are into a lifestyle full of modification and fabrication. I am sure the 1st time some guy wanted to turbo a civic, everyone said he was a dumbass and it was a waste of time and money. Just cause its not the same make motor does not mean that this can not be just as good if not better then an sr or rb or any motor.... ITS CALLED MODIFICATION someone needs to think..."What If" This thread is getting ridiculous, all i asked for was a little help and knowledgeable advice, only few people on this forum have been a help or motivation and i thank them all.

I would do this in a video game

Maybe a Playstation 1 video game

Not so much in real life

This is kinda one of those things you discuss with your friend, he looks at you funny, then you're like HAHA JUST KIDDING TOTALLY TRICKED YOU



I agree

I don't get why people want to always be so different or reinvent the box

Don't like the KA?

Go SR...

Don't get a CA18, don't get a RB20, don't get a VQ30, etc

I hardly can see the justification for those that put motors other than the SR

I'm more old school when it comes to 240's...I can't really imagine using anything NON-Nissan in my 240, much less a motor other than a KA or SR....that's just my personal taste though (if I wanted a VQ, I'd go buy a 350z...if I wanted a LS, I'd go buy a Corvette...)

If you want to be unique or different that's fine, its your car more power to you

But if you try to argue based on any kind of performance grounds, its really hard to make like the SR isn't the most logical/realistic idea for a motor into a S chassis

I think if you want to put a 4G63 into a S chassis, just DO IT

DO IT and then report back to us the result

Otherwise its just people arguing their opinion into a huge circle

[tre4s13]

d00d fuck these idiots, i'm a fellow diamond star lover myself. fuck what they say...when you do the swap take LOTS of pics for the next guy +1 for you.





..............................oh and to those who disagree get the fuck off?

omfgdiekthx.

[SHIFT_*grind*]

Did the 4G ever come any other way besides transversely mounted?

[xs240]

Actually fyi a v12 bmw motor has been fitted in a 200sx (european equivalent).

Honestly it sucked.

If you can do it I guess do it, but honestly I rather just get an evo 8 or 9 or something... urgh...

[smelly240]

nope... theres a mighty max pickup here in philly with a 4g tho. shits sweet.

I started out modding cars back in the 90's with mitsus. first the 3000 VR4, then my next car was gvr4 - and then i got a coupe and have owned nothing other than s chassis (except the GEO) since.

[OBEEWON]

Thats cuz you use the Geo to attract middle schoolers with you indicator beam pattern.

[timtiminy]

I want to see you do it, why dont you just use the mighty max rwd trans?

[hottscennessey]

Why swap 4cyls for 4cyls?

The only reason for this swap is to be different. If you want to go fast, there is better response and power with more displacement / cyls. Just my honest opinion.

[bmhossain]

I would do this in a video game
I'm more old school when it comes to 240's...I can't really imagine using anything NON-Nissan in my 240, much less a motor other than a KA or SR....that's just my personal taste though (if I wanted a VQ, I'd go buy a 350z...if I wanted a LS, I'd go buy a Corvette...)

Sorry but I'm gonna have to disagree on that one.
If you want a 4G63 in your S chassis then do it. If you do it yourself and do all the fabricating yourself then good on you. Its your car, do it, make it quick, and do it nicely.

[RUTH'LESSDET]

i dont understand the point in this swap.

vk56 into s13 = win!

vk56 into s13 = Lose!!!!
4g's are cheap motors and they make lots of power. A friend of mine had one in a old school toyota starlet mated to a 7m supra tranny.... car was hella fast. I would like to see you put the new evo motor rwd into an s13 that would be hot

[xs240]

^x2 . and then some

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/prizangel/Gadgetmobile-InspectorGadget.jpg

[EDT007]

We have some funny people on this forum. As a fellow DSM head for over 10 years, people should really look into stuff before talking sh*t. The 4G63T (6-bolt|) is by far one of the most stout, 4-cyl engines ever made. PERIOD. As for issues, any motor will have it's little quarks. The electrical system is not one as previously stated. Stock coils pushing over 700whp, I wouldn't call that shitty. In fact the only real issue these cars have (if done right) are drivetrain. Too much power and you would start sheering off gears/rings/shafts in the tranny. To the OP, goodluck!

[stiizy]

..............................oh and to those who disagree get the fuck off?

omfgdiekthx.


haha this post kills me...

What a fucking homo.......

Relax tough guy, it's the NET hahaha:mrmeph:

[ROUGE180]

Here is your v12 in a 200SX across the pond.
Nissan 200sx with BMW V12 swap- Video (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Nissan-200sx-with-BMW-V12_125073.htm)

[ROUGE180]

I think if you want to put a 4G63 into a S chassis, just DO IT

DO IT and then report back to us the result

Otherwise its just people arguing their opinion into a huge circle


what he said [/thread] msglngth

[murda-c]

Swap a bmw m5 v10 plz.

[deukalionS14]

Do what you want bro. but personally i dont like the idea. I dont even like DSM AT ALL. period. DSM FTMFL but that's just me. just like i wont buy a honda. I LOVE Nissan and that's just where i stand.

Do it if you can bro. enjoy it! you're right about the modification. however, i dont like the idea of mixing Nissan with other companies. yes, that means Nissan with Toyota or Nissan with whatever else company.

Mor power to you bro and there's no hating on my end.

[tre4s13]

Did the 4G ever come any other way besides transversely mounted?

Most of the vehicles that it came in is FF with part time 4x4 from what i've read.

Some earlier models with the 4g63 had a FR setup:

Mitsubishi Starion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Starion)
Dodge Colt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Colt)
Mitsubishi Galant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Galant)

...yes it DOES say galant...both non and us spec. =D

Hope this helps.

[tre4s13]

haha this post kills me...

What a fucking homo.......

Relax tough guy, it's the NET hahaha:mrmeph:

homo? nah...i just got done boinking this white chick sun-mon....nor was I being a "tough" guy, I just hate when people thread jack with their "omfg dont do that cause I cant" speeches... heh.

[Edgar]

Stick 2 ls1's i your car and win

[tre4s13]

v16 roflfail!

[A Spec Products]

Someone sent me a PM:

would you like me to link you to say, 5 badass CA's that would make lunch meat of SR20's?

and not blow rocker arms off in the process.....ever : )

buuh-byye

****

Just to clarify

I wasn't knocking the CA, RB, LS, 4G, or any motor for that matter

I'm not saying the SR is supreme motor

I'm just saying that for

- practicality
- ease of install
- in stock availability of parts
- knowledge base

For some of those reasons its the most logical swap...TO ME

Keyword: me

My opinion, I'm not saying that anyone who feels otherwise is wrong or needs to prove to me why their motor is better

[tre4s13]

Meh, screw him...nice website, pm me price for that FLT-A2 ;)

[A Spec Products]

Meh, screw him...nice website, pm me price for that FLT-A2 ;)

Nah its not like that

I dont think he was trying to be malicious, I took it as sarcasm

Haha we sold the FLT-A2's for S13 man, only S14 left

[SHIFT_*grind*]

Mitsubishi Starion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Starion)
Dodge Colt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Colt)
Mitsubishi Galant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Galant)

The Galant was FWD/4WD by the time it got the 4G63, so it'd be a transverse layout...The Colt never got the 4G63, at least not according to that wiki...

But I didn't know that about the Conquest. I thought they only ever had the 2.6L turbo 4.

[tre4s13]

The Galant was FWD/4WD by the time it got the 4G63, so it'd be a transverse layout...The Colt never got the 4G63, at least not according to that wiki...

But I didn't know that about the Conquest. I thought they only ever had the 2.6L turbo 4.


yea i noticed that...was skimming
looking at the links off of Mitsubishi Sirius engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Sirius_engine#4G63)

and just copy/pasting whatever had FR setup...some had the 4g63 in their first gen years.

[steve shadows]

We have some funny people on this forum. As a fellow DSM head for over 10 years, people should really look into stuff before talking sh*t. The 4G63T (6-bolt|) is by far one of the most stout, 4-cyl engines ever made. PERIOD. As for issues, any motor will have it's little quarks. The electrical system is not one as previously stated. Stock coils pushing over 700whp, I wouldn't call that shitty. In fact the only real issue these cars have (if done right) are drivetrain. Too much power and you would start sheering off gears/rings/shafts in the tranny. To the OP, goodluck!

SR's are capable of 700 WHP on stock Coil Packs also - IF YOUR EMS, WIRING HARNESS GROUNDS AND PLUGS are to spec - just as with the 4G.

I would be interested to see this too, I just think the lengths people will go to try to be unique and different with the 240SX platform lately is getting kind of rediculous. A properly built SR will be equal with an 4G build up for about the same price - My point is there seems to be more experienced 4G tuners than SR tuners - Most of the SR tuners are just trying to cash in on the current trend in drifting imo.

[tre4s13]

True, sr is too common, like a riced out honda.

[Damnthecops]

True, sr is too common, like a riced out honda.

Thats exactly my point... trust me, i have been debating just tossing in a SR but i wanna be different, hell look what my little post started... in 3 days it has made 3 pages worth of talk... imagine, if i do a very clean exterior and interior along with a clean swap.. im just looking to be different... plus i love my 4g63 and i know it very well

[tre4s13]

Thats exactly my point... trust me, i have been debating just tossing in a SR but i wanna be different, hell look what my little post started... in 3 days it has made 3 pages worth of talk... imagine, if i do a very clean exterior and interior along with a clean swap.. im just looking to be different... plus i love my 4g63 and i know it very well

I feel the same way, hell, seeing this reminds me of the love I had for my 4g63. I was thinking about going SR, but no...that's played out like Lil Kim's taint. And the next runner up would be the JZ platform, which is the trend lately...I already see LSx next....So, i'm thinking either 7mg(t)e or vg30e(t)....or just put a 20B in it. Whichever has the WTF factor to it, i'll probably do. So I say again, go for it. I might even join your fad >_<

[s13dan]

well sounds odd, but i would like to see it. Some would call it sacrilege and i would never do it. But i love seeing different things like that with 240s.
Do it right, no seven bolts.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/S13Dan/crankwalk.gif

[civilized_drifter]

my good friend all ready has a 4g in his old s13, he is currently working on it for a drag car

[tre4s13]

my good friend all ready has a 4g in his old s13, he is currently working on it for a drag car

Ask him to make a write up?!

[tre4s13]

Searching around for a 4g63 I ran into this...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/[email protected]/EVOrwdPLATE11.jpg
EVO 4g63 now able to be used in RWD's. - evolutionm.net (http://forums.evolutionm.net/vendor-announcements/380587-evo-4g63-now-able-used-rwds.html)

[steve shadows]

True, sr is too common, like a riced out honda.

I don't even know what that means?

Too common is SR20 Motors that run like complete ass, I only know of a handful of SRs on the web that anyone with real knowledge could even specify as running properly (mostly off of Freshally Advanced Forum Section members if you want to learn a thing or two about the motor's capabilities)

You can't even compare the SR motor to anything other than maybe the RB26, 2JZ and MAYBE if you stretch the 4G63.

It is one of the most well engineered 4 cylinder turbo motors, the head design lifted straight from engines designed by Alpha Romeo and used to develop formula race cars.

The only thing too common is people who are obsessed (from the sidelines) with drifting and JDM in general imo

PS. On the Bell Housing - what transmission do you use with the motor and that plate? I think that is for Power Glide and Full Drag set-ups...

[stupendousdanny]

I believe noris designs green evo is rwd with a skyline transmission? its the 2door evo
http://www.norrisdesigns.com/demo9-phase2.asp

[Flicktitty]

lol,

there sure is alot of hate on here over the 4G63.

[Phlip]

homo? nah...i just got done boinking this white chick sun-mon....nor was I being a "tough" guy, I just hate when people thread jack with their "omfg dont do that cause I cant" speeches... heh.

Bullshit, homie, there are no white women in Forsyth county.

[Spoolpigeon]

Most of the vehicles that it came in is FF with part time 4x4 from what i've read.

Some earlier models with the 4g63 had a FR setup:

Mitsubishi Starion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Starion)



you can't always trust wikipedia. the starions/conquests all had the 2.4l g54b engine. they have never had a 4g.

[Spoolpigeon]

correction.... no US cars had it, some australian cars had it.

[alzahakar]

my good friend all ready has a 4g in his old s13, he is currently working on it for a drag car

I believe the saying is, "pics or it never happened"

I believe noris designs green evo is rwd with a skyline transmission? its the 2door evo
Norris Designs Nissan, Mitsubishi and Subaru Tuners - +44 1225 700748 (http://www.norrisdesigns.com/demo9-phase2.asp)

Just because it looks like an evo and may have some of the chassis still left doesn't make that car an evo. The 4g63 only ever came from the factory in ANY chassis in a FWD/AWD configuration, never RWD. For those of you that don't know the real difference, RWD has something called a transmission tunnel. Evos don't. That Norris Designs evo is a purpose built race car with more money in development and fabrication than most of you will ever spend on a S-chassis in your life.

Can a 4g63 be mounted in a S-chassis? Yea, sure. With enough money, you can put whatever motor/trans combo you want in any vehicle.

Why does it have to be bad to put anything other than a Nissan engine in a S-chassis? People argue the 2jz vs RB all the time. Fact is they are both very potent straight 6 motors that are capable of lots of power. When it comes down to it, you either turbocharge your KA24 or drop it in a lake and swap in anything else to make some decent power.

I'll keep my eyes out for someone doing a writeup on this. Like a few of the other guys said, I love the 4g63 and I love Nissans.

[A Spec Products]

True, sr is too common, like a riced out honda.

I don't get how being "common" can be bad

So....is a 240sx played out?

Cause everyone on here got one

LOL

Nah but I'm obviously exaggerating, but that whole "oh its common/oh it's played out" logic really doesn't make sense

Cause back in the day, a bunch of people had FN01RC's, then people started saying "FN's are played"

But if a bunch of people had 300zx, then are 300zx brakes played out too?

And then if you really analyze it....just cause a set of people on a forum across a nation own an item...how does that make it played?

lol,

there sure is alot of hate on here over the 4G63.

I don't think the hate lies on the 4G63, but just the idea that it's going to be a lot of work, when there are more easily attainable and installed options instead of it

I just come from the school of logic and practicality

No sense in doing something the difficult way unless there's a specific reason why it needs to be done that way

It's like someone making a 6 bolt hub cause they don't want to be 4 or 5 lug like the rest of us

Sure, 4,5, or 6 lug wheels roll the same and work the same, but you want to be different, right?

[EDT007]

SR's are capable of 700 WHP on stock Coil Packs also - IF YOUR EMS, WIRING HARNESS GROUNDS AND PLUGS are to spec - just as with the 4G.

I would be interested to see this too, I just think the lengths people will go to try to be unique and different with the 240SX platform lately is getting kind of rediculous. A properly built SR will be equal with an 4G build up for about the same price - My point is there seems to be more experienced 4G tuners than SR tuners - Most of the SR tuners are just trying to cash in on the current trend in drifting imo.

I agree that both can be built to similar levels. I just find it stupid that people that have no idea about the motor are trying to "convince" the OP from not doing it. If he wants to do it, his choice. As for tuning, I agree, there are alot more 4G tuners around my area than SR. Speaking of, I think you should come over to the east coast Steve..make a killing :hsdance:

[Flicktitty]

i see where your coming from on the anti unique thing, but then agian i'm someone who is doing a 2J in a S-chassis.

[zugoi]

There was a post on here couple months back with a green s13 with a bmw v12 in it. I remember it having an ugly body kit and it was a show car but still, its been done. Now if i can only find the pictures.

[BustedS13]

http://www.photodump.org/stored/crankwalk_001.jpg

not a bad way to spend ten thousand dollars

[murda-c]

There was a post on here couple months back with a green s13 with a bmw v12 in it. I remember it having an ugly body kit and it was a show car but still, its been done. Now if i can only find the pictures.

Did you even read the thread?

EDIT: i just realized how stupid i look for asking that.

[Pblesh85]

Thats exactly my point... trust me, i have been debating just tossing in a SR but i wanna be different, hell look what my little post started... in 3 days it has made 3 pages worth of talk... imagine, if i do a very clean exterior and interior along with a clean swap.. im just looking to be different... plus i love my 4g63 and i know it very well

I like the idea of being different and doing something cool/worth while to a car. After all we just want something fun to drive that is of our own creation.

Personally the only motors that I would put in an s chasis would be s13/14/15 sr, ka24de/det, or an lsx swap. Im batting around with the idea of an ls2 swap after deployment seeing as how money is not going to be an issue.

The down side to putting another genre of motor into a nissan is it takes away from the intended feel of the car and the essence of what its legacy is. Im sure someone is smart enough to put a 600hp "D" series into a camero. But is it still a camero after that ??? Do you even care what it becomes afterwards ???

In the end the deciding factor for me as far as what motor I will use will be:

HP goal(400~450whp/TQ), 6 speed, drivability, reliability, efficiency, availibility, fun factor, and cost.

So If it is cheaper to put a lsx, sr, or ka-t in and get to my goals... Well that is what decides it for me.




But people have been taking evo motors and putting them in starions/conquest's for years as rwd drag cars. Im sure if its been thought of it can be done.

But to put a mistu into a nissan is a bit of bold move. Kinda like the post on here were someone put a 13b into an s14.

[s13 @ fullboost]

back to the v12 bmw motor in the s13 I think maybe if it had the 6speed trans it would have been alot better but props to them for doing it how many people do you know who drive an s-chassis can say "naw man its not ka or sr its a V12" haha and I bet you that car on the freeway is a freaking monster. the guy messed up though he should have put a CSI and not just the basic v12 w/e though still bad ass

[S13 curtis]

A 4g63 would be awesome in an S chassis, they have the 2nd highest flowing head... second to the k20.. third is the KA24DE... Anyone who says this motor is homo hasnt looked at the size of the ports on the 1G head... not to mention destroking is easy and 10,000 rpm would be fun... Problem is the mighty max tranny is glass and fwd you would have no traction.... i would do it Rear engine rear wheel drive style in the back with a fwd tranny :D

WOW... About that.:ughug:

SR20 Head easily out flows the KA24de head.

and another thing, alot of people have SR's that are slow as fuck and run like ass, because they only want to slide.
Most people that go Ka-T do it for performance/Drag.

[s13 @ fullboost]

WOW... About that.:ughug:

SR20 Head easily out flows the KA24de head.

and another thing, alot of people have SR's that are slow as fuck and run like ass, because they only want to slide.
Most people that go Ka-T do it for performance/Drag.

I agree not so much about most people have shitty SR's but about the fact that the SR head indeed does flow better than the KA's and also most people w/ SR use it for drift and majorty of people who have KA-T do performance/Drag

[OBEEWON]

The 24E head flows better than the DE head. I've HEARD its better than the SR but I dont know for fact.

[smelly240]

I actually heard that too - but only the FWD SR heads. Apparently the y have smaller valves than the rwd???

[stiizy]

homo? nah...i just got done boinking this white chick sun-mon....nor was I being a "tough" guy, I just hate when people thread jack with their "omfg dont do that cause I cant" speeches... heh.


Okay...

I feel that...

I hate e-thugs but since your not it's okay...:bow:

[rc1honda]

Hell while your at it make it a v-12 mid-engine like a lambo or a ferrari, that shit would be really badass. It would be Chuck Norris' personal transportation.

[racer98]

I swear to god I wanna kill you all in the fucking face for this! A mitsufuckingshitty motor? DIE!!! This is even worse then the honda motor in the s-13 vert!

:down:
:rl:
:hahano:
:rant:
:smash:
:ghey:
:duh:
:axe:
:spank:
:loco:
:jerkit:
That is all, have a nice day.

omg i want to build one now. :hyper:

but wait I want to use a transaxle as well.

[steve shadows]

The 24E head flows better than the DE head. I've HEARD its better than the SR but I dont know for fact.

No.

That would be cool though.

But no.

[timtiminy]

F20C supposedly has one of the best flowing heads of all time, doesnt mean im going to put it in my 240... I do like the 4g63 idea for the sake that the aftermarket is ridiculously large for that motor and they are stout in stock form, I say do it and show it off, otherwise throw an SR in there. Honestly i think fro balance sake its probably best to go with the SR since its the lightest engine in the bunch so it keeps the weight distribution good, plus there is huge aftermarket for it, its plug and play basically and its a good stout 2.0 turbo engine.

[tre4s13]

It's very sad the SR is a trend... anyway, I was thinking about a 6g72 out of the third gen eclipse and of course the GTO, with that said...it is awd, so I think it'd be easier...just have to mate it to a tranny and yer good to go >_<

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://g3systems.g3sys.biz/avenger/G3%25203%2520liter%2520avenger/DSC00093.jpg&imgrefurl=http://g3systems.g3sys.biz/avenger/perf.htm&usg=__g-x-VBLEgR6WDXFuStrJ80oPbGY=&h=600&w=800&sz=101&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=EixmvcOgFVejZM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3D6g72%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfi refox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3Dynv%26sa%3DNhttp://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://g3systems.g3sys.biz/avenger/G3%25203%2520liter%2520avenger/DSC00093.jpg&imgrefurl=http://g3systems.g3sys.biz/avenger/perf.htm&usg=__g-x-VBLEgR6WDXFuStrJ80oPbGY=&h=600&w=800&sz=101&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=EixmvcOgFVejZM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3D6g72%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfi refox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3Dynv%26sa%3DN
http://www.toms4n.com/iu/101/v/080774-6.jpg

Just looks like the coolant lines would have to be extended (dunno if thats a bad thing) and the intake has to be switched around....but since this is an awd/ff layout it might just go in the way it is and just block off whatever it is that spins the front wheels. Just an idea.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://g3systems.g3sys.biz/avenger/G3%25203%2520liter%2520avenger/DSC00093.jpg&imgrefurl=http://g3systems.g3sys.biz/avenger/perf.htm&usg=__g-x-VBLEgR6WDXFuStrJ80oPbGY=&h=600&w=800&sz=101&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=EixmvcOgFVejZM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3D6g72%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfi refox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3Dynv%26sa%3DN

[s14kouki_]

i was wondering the same thing, this is a good idea since the 4g63 is the best 4 banger in the world.

castrol top shop challenge

[Akiros]

I just bought one of these to throw in my 240

eBay Motors: 2006 Ford GT 40 complete engine package (item 230319543214 end time Jan-21-09 06:33:52 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__2006-Ford-GT-40-complete-engine-package_W0QQitemZ230319543214QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20A ccessoriesQQadiZ2865QQddiZ2811QQadnZCarQ20Q26Q20Tr uckQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQcmdZViewItemQQptZ Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item230319 543214&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A3|39%3A1|240%3A1318)

[Flicktitty]

Meh

No LS1 No Care.

but seriously 28K? FUCK THAT SHIT!

[wangan_cruiser]

since this swap looks doable.



however. i skimmed through the thread. and would this swap would be smog legal since those motors we talking about came out here?

[racer98]

I just bought one of these to throw in my 240

eBay Motors: 2006 Ford GT 40 complete engine package (item 230319543214 end time Jan-21-09 06:33:52 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Parts-Accessories_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__2006-Ford-GT-40-complete-engine-package_W0QQitemZ230319543214QQddnZPartsQ20Q26Q20A ccessoriesQQadiZ2865QQddiZ2811QQadnZCarQ20Q26Q20Tr uckQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQcmdZViewItemQQptZ Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item230319 543214&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A3|39%3A1|240%3A1318)

that car still can be fixed, :hide:

[Mr Hyde]

Sorry I am responding waaay late bro.

Things have changed since you posted this question.

Bill Hincher makes a bellhousing that mates to the t-56, the Toyota W58, or the R156.

If you're still on this site, hope this info helps


Geoff
5th Naval NSA Base
Bahrain

[dreamin240sx]

hey man i have heard and seen a truck with the 4g63. i believe if you check out whiplash website they are the onees who have the truck . its actually quite interesting. i would talk to them cause you could probably use the same drive train as they did. goodluck by the way

[HellsDrifter 666]

I say go for it. People told me that the NX1600 cluster swap was a waste of time and money, and that it couldn't be done......but I did it to shut them up. I definitely would do it, and the fact that it pisses so many people off makes it even better. So when you get it done and show people you can be like :fawkd:, lol.

[TheRealSy90]

dunno if it was posted but, mightymax engine mounts on the 4g63 line up to the stock motor mount holes on the 240sx crossmember... do the swap already.

[smelly240]

they sell the kit to turn the motor for rwd... magnus, buschur

and dont you think the nx cluster is janky?

I mean theres a reason the NX guys swap em out (besides the ugliness - and the crappy tach).

[CaptainVlad]

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll24/Vladimir91/RANDOM/dcbcd7b8.jpg

[GripTerror]

I had a dsm crank walk on me but it was a 2g 7 bolt.

Uhm... do it... there was that bellhousing posted in here for rwd... just frickin do it.... ignore the homosexual retardation in this thread and the hate.

[iwishiwas-all*]

God bless zilvia and it's epic amount of retardation. Dude if you got the money, go the fuck ahead. I think it's an absolute fucking waste of time and in the end you will probably wish u jus stuck an rb or sr in there and modded it. Why Dnt u just rwd a ego like kumakubo.

[lazysk8er2]

time for a 4b11 swap out of the genesis

[SinGarage]

If you have the means OP, go ahead and do it. The 4G is a great little engine and could take a lot of abuse. Just make sure to get the 6 bolt. I've stuffed an EVOIII engine (RS type) including drivetrain to 7th gen Galant it was a blast to drive. Boosting at 2 bars and a lot (and I mean a lot) of tuning. I did a lot of work and modifications but that's what I meant by having the means. If you don't, then it's going to take a lot of money and kinda pointless like what other people are saying. People ask me why would I put that engine and trans in one of the heaviest Mitsu chassis out there? I just tell them that "cause I felt like it and I can". Build a car to what you like and not because it will be approved by the rest of the world. It's your car, your money, your enjoyment. Just my :2c:.

[fishboi]

Retarded in a different kind of way -_-

[HellsDrifter 666]

they sell the kit to turn the motor for rwd... magnus, buschur

and dont you think the nx cluster is janky?

I mean theres a reason the NX guys swap em out (besides the ugliness - and the crappy tach).

I was referring to the digital one, which both B13 and other NX guys spill blood over to acquire.

[Markae86]

just wanted to bump a 4 year old thread and see how many people talk about it.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/MarkAE86/IMG_20121018_191255.jpg

[NHTKID]

siick.. i bet that thing is a blast to drive, if ofcourse you've gotten to drive it! looks like you took the time to do it right. props

[Markae86]

siick.. i bet that thing is a blast to drive, if ofcourse you've gotten to drive it! looks like you took the time to do it right. props

I havent driven it yet. We break in the motor on thursday the tune it on friday. then hopefully a test session sometime the week after. Fingers crossed all goes well.

[MrSanchez925]

god damn thats sick

[future]

Clean swap. More pictures?

[project-D180]

more piics

[Markae86]

ask and you shall recive.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/MarkAE86/2012-08-25_12-02-28_78.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/MarkAE86/2012-08-31_18-11-28_765.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/MarkAE86/IMG_20120831_190527.jpg

i thought i had more good pics but i guess not. ill try to get some more tomorrow. anything in particular you guys want to see? also check out a few more pics on facebook.

http://www.facebook.com/mark.sanchez.39501?ref=tn_tnmn

and here

http://www.facebook.com/MarkSanchezDrifting?ref=hl

please like both pages if you like what you see and tell you friends about it too.

[Slims]

shit.is.sick. amazing job man. props to you! i might have to do this to the datsun 620 instead of the KA.

[TheRealSy90]

Awesome. So did you go mighty max mounts like I suggested or custom route?

[Markae86]

Awesome. So did you go mighty max mounts like I suggested or custom route?

Mighty max mount do work but only on older blocks. Like EVO 7 and down i think. The blocks from the EVO 8 and 9 dont have holes in the right spot for the might max mount brackrts. So long story short, yeah custom mount brackets.

[Markae86]

shit.is.sick. amazing job man. props to you! i might have to do this to the datsun 620 instead of the KA.

Thanks for the love man. And if you do decide to do the swap feel free to hit me up if you have any questions.

[TheRealSy90]

Awesome, I can't wait to see video of this in action and hear it.

[future]

What trans?

[Markae86]

What trans?

Toyota trans (W55)

[Kostos]

From Russia with love)))
http://a.d-cd.net/4f58aeu-960.jpg
2.4 BC stroker, 3076, Apexi d-jetro, Toyota R154 trans
http://a.d-cd.net/db58aeu-960.jpg

http://f4.foto.rambler.ru/preview/r/668x445/502df55b-3a2f-bef5-a4e8-5ca79dbe0207/IMG_2625_6_7_tonemapped.jpg
first ride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiexH5HPw2k&feature=youtu.be
first training before competition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PvOsfdpf98&feature=youtu.be

p.s sorry for bad English)

[project-D180]

any ids of this thang runnin

[memphis180sx]

still pointless

[bataangpinoy]

good for you man.

and the comments from earlier in the thread had me loling. what a bunch of circle-jerking purists.