Stop the rattlecanning! i have the solution

[yokotas13]

OK, we all know that i love to flat black my shit. Well i am here to tell you STOP DOING IT. I actually found that doing it the right way, not only looks better, but takes less time, less after work, and looks 100 better than a rattle can.

I did this in my FRONT YARD. no cover, no garage, nothing. It came out fantastic, side form a few bugs in the clear, i am super happy with it. after i wetsand and buff it, it should look almost damn near good. only problem is all the overspray that settled and the wind made the surface a tad rough. I sprayed almost 8 layers of clear so i have plenty to wetsand.

It took me a day....a single solitary day from 7am to 5pm from start to finish with two people.

so please, no more rattle cans.
total, this cost me 500.00
paint was 250
35 gallon compressor i got on sale for 125.00
and a gun and supplies.

yeah it costs a tad more, but fuck, its better than rattle cans guys.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3241/3067862910_7406aa40db.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3015/3067862104_ef321d9307.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3293/3067861362_422e26a93b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3031/3067859946_7a082e53ac.jpg

and where i painted it
http://farm4.static.flickr.%20com/3161/3067021125_8c14a39f37.j%20pg http://farm4.static.flickr.%20com/3161/3067021125_8c14a39f37.j%20pghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/3067021125_8c14a39f37.jpg

so please, save the spraypaint for your interior

[andmattsayd]

pics dont work.

[10-66kruk]

if you by any chance have the process that would be cool to see.

[ILoveMyRHS13]

I didn't know until the other day that you had a Legacy. Hook me up with some JDM projectors from one? Hahah.

Paint looks good, but I'm not a fan of flake on white.

[ThatGuy]

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2198/raycantseeshitle6.jpg

[yokotas13]

shit, they arent linking from my flickr like they should. ill take are of it later, and do a whole process of it.

[10-66kruk]

sweet that would be cool

[origin_s135]

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2198/raycantseeshitle6.jpg

i literally busted out laughing.

[Pank]

OK, we all know that i love to flat black my shit. Well i am here to tell you STOP DOING IT. I actually found that doing it the right way, not only looks better, but takes less time, less after work, and looks 100 better than a rattle can.

I did this in my FRONT YARD. no cover, no garage, nothing. It came out fantastic, side form a few bugs in the clear, i am super happy with it. after i wetsand and buff it, it should look almost damn near good. only problem is all the overspray that settled and the wind made the surface a tad rough. I sprayed almost 8 layers of clear so i have plenty to wetsand.

It took me a day....a single solitary day from 7am to 5pm from start to finish with two people.

so please, no more rattle cans.
total, this cost me 500.00
paint was 250
35 gallon compressor i got on sale for 125.00
and a gun and supplies.

yeah it costs a tad more, but fuck, its better than rattle cans guys.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3150/3067862660_5a8f44ac7b.j pg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3015/3067862104_ef321d9307.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3150/3067862660_5a8f44ac7b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3293/3067861362_422e26a93b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3031/3067859946_7a082e53ac.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3031/3067859946_7a082e53ac.jpg
and where i painted it
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/3067021125_8c14a39f37.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/3067021125_8c14a39f37.jpg


so please, save the spraypaint for your interior
you had spaces all over your URLs

gg learn to internet nubbo.

(looks good btw)

[origin_s135]

wow it looks great, i'll do it on my friend's car when he's ready to get it painted.

[yokotas13]

ok fixed, thats what i get for not logging into my flickr and using the pictures and shit.

[allntrlundrgrnd]

looks fly man. i kinda liked the stockish look more though

[yokotas13]

thats not the point if you like it or not

its hte point that you dont HAVE to have a paint booth to get decent results. this shit looks 10xs better than what MIKE did to ruin my other cars. and i did it in the front yard, with nothing special other htan a paint gun, compessor, and scale

[allntrlundrgrnd]

looks fly man.



you gonna make a writeup?

[Vision Garage]

now are those speckles in your paint (as in thats how you wanted it) or you didnt paint it fully?

[BustedS13]

you should have flown a guy in from california to do it, lawll

looks good but what's going on where the skirts meet up with the rear flares?

[norcal_black240]

Good stuff, painting your own car saves sooooooooooo much money.

I got a paint setup at my shop and works great.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/530_kat/Picture003-2.jpg

One of my friends cars getting painted rx8 blue w/clear coat for under 420 bucks for all materials. You can do it a lot cheaper than that to if you know what your doing.

[!Zar!]

Of course painting it like this would look better.

Because your car does look good.


$500 for a painted car is cheap.

It's still $490 too much for the average zilvian.

Got to remember, most of the people who primer their car are too cheap to even buy enough cans.

[blackrms13]

Of course painting it like this would look better.

Because your car does look good.


$500 for a painted car is cheap.

It's still $490 too much for the average zilvian.

Got to remember, most of the people who primer their car are too cheap to even buy enough cans.
that is sooooo true....
hell...ppl usually use like 7-8 for the whole car

[Vision Garage]

haha. Nice comparision zar!

10 dollar paint job vs 500 paint job.

Yea, i think for most zilvians, an upgraded turbo would win over a new paint job.

[Dousan_PG]

duh
this how all our cars are painted
next time ill rent a booth though
its all in the prep work.....and i hardly do that!

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/new%20s13/new066.jpg


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/new%20s13/track1215004.jpg
it isnt a show car
10 footer
but thats fine on a track car, imo

[CrimsonRockett]

Most zilvians, a knock off body kit with mismatched body panels would win over the $10 paint job.

My paint materials were $400 total for everything. Primer, activator, base, reducer, clear, hardener, strainers, stirrers, etc etc.

Redline Red, which is an even more expensive color because of the pigments.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h172/dude5672000uk/P7080003.jpg

http://www.aspecproducts.com/forums/my350z/Wheels/AME/hypersilverFS01.jpg

[Vision Garage]

you didnt paint that did you johnny?

[CrimsonRockett]

No. I'll be spraying my own car that color.

I've delayed it because I'm making sure I have it all down.

Everything from the body work to the paint guns.

The new Iwata guns I'm ordering are going to run me $900ish.

[silpena]

what gun did u buy? i'm guessing the lph400? i have 100 and love it. Ppl thought the fan pattern is too small but its good for little cars. I sure do want the lph400 extreme or maybe pickup a devilbiss plus gun and gti millenium. Iwata is the shit but buying parts sucks. Next best thing to satajet. It only cost me about 300 to paint my car and i'm doing it again so it should be only 150 this time since i'm dong mostly spot jobs and blending.

btw 900? are u buying 2 guns or one bc/cc and one for primer? i would advise you to go devilbiss 670gfg plus gun for cc. I heard its amazing for it.

[Matej]

Most of my car is spraypainted. Who cares.

[ayuaddict]

i hear some fools spray paint their WHOLE car.

...oh wait.

[KA-T_240]

I am not a big fan of spray paint. I have painted body panels with it... However, I use automotive single stage paint in a spray can.

If i could do the body work my car needs, I would be all over painting it myself. I will probalby be doing the bumpers on my WRX on my own.

My first bumper repair results using automotive sinlge stage from spray cans...

From this(scratch, faded, bad clear ect):
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2203/401/5505200230_large.jpg


To this:
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3662/41/21652520203_large.jpg

Compaired to the rest of my 20 year old paint :(
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a265/90_240sx/P10%20Car%20pics/134.jpg?t=1228293427



To the guys painting cars in there garages/shops/ect. Do you use any fans to pull overspray away from the car?

[silpena]

they should be using a fan of some wort as an exhuast to pull over spray away so i doesnt all sit on the car and give dry spots. Usally these are cross draft type set up's. The best out there is a true down draft where u have a man hole under you car that sucks all of the fumes/over spray down under the car and recircualtes out. On the top fresh air is being sucked as an intake. Way cleaner job and less materials used. On a cross draft u start on the side away from where ever the exhaust is and on a down draft u can start from the roof down. There are semi-down drafts but those suck and u never really see those alot.

[SmogSUX]

Myself and norcal black240 had a basic fan pointed out the window lol does that count?

Rattlecan FTW!!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/SmogSUX/IMG_0004.jpg
^My old S13, Rustoleum gloss black hahahaha those were the days

[yokotas13]

they should be using a fan of some wort as an exhuast to pull over spray away so i doesnt all sit on the car and give dry spots. Usally these are cross draft type set up's. The best out there is a true down draft where u have a man hole under you car that sucks all of the fumes/over spray down under the car and recircualtes out. On the top fresh air is being sucked as an intake. Way cleaner job and less materials used. On a cross draft u start on the side away from where ever the exhaust is and on a down draft u can start from the roof down. There are semi-down drafts but those suck and u never really see those alot.
dude, we are talking about painting cars in front yards and shit.
not the thread to talk about booths.



but seriously. i wetsanded a fender, and its like nice and shiny and stuff

[silpena]

i know u are talking about outside painting and not inside a booth. The man asked and i gave him an answer. I do not approve outside since dirt and stuff will get in it and ur nieghbors shouldnt have to smell the fumes but i dont care its ur $ and car and area. If u like it then do it. I paint my cars in a great booth where i can paint and bake the car at 140 degrees in 20-40 min and drive the car away.... dont get me wrong i have painted outside but not too proud of it and it was only small things. NEver a full car. Id get arrested before i could finish a car lol.

u wetsanded the fender? just wetsanded it or you wetsanded then buff it out? buff it out and itll be shiny as hell . What did u clear coat it with? flatting agent in the clear?

[yokotas13]

why the fuck would i use flatteners with flake?

you dont belong in this thread. this is for half assers that are one better than spraypaint

[SochBAT]

this is for half assers that are one better than spraypaint

lol. all 2 of them.

[yokotas13]

lol true....true that

[DOOK]

grant can I fly you here to paint shit?

[ballinnmiami240sx]

Harbor freight gun and a 27gal compressor.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/s13coupefresh/100_4469.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/s13coupefresh/100_4341.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/s13coupefresh/100_4347.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/drifting/IMG_0272copy.jpg

[NemeGuero]

Hahahaha, he discovered the wheel all over again.

Really, who didn't know this?

[norcal_black240]

they should be using a fan of some wort as an exhuast to pull over spray away so i doesnt all sit on the car and give dry spots. Usally these are cross draft type set up's. The best out there is a true down draft where u have a man hole under you car that sucks all of the fumes/over spray down under the car and recircualtes out. On the top fresh air is being sucked as an intake. Way cleaner job and less materials used. On a cross draft u start on the side away from where ever the exhaust is and on a down draft u can start from the roof down. There are semi-down drafts but those suck and u never really see those alot.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/530_kat/Picture014.jpg

My ghetto ass fan setup haha. Its better than nothing i guess...

[exitspeed]

Looks good Grant.

I agree.

Let's make 2009 Rattle Can Free!

[silpena]

why the fuck would i use flatteners with flake?

you dont belong in this thread. this is for half assers that are one better than spraypaint
You wouldnt use a flatting agent in the flake or base coat you would use it in the clear coat. It flattens the clear coat to get it flat look and still the same characteristics of of regualr clear. Want sure by looking in ur pics if u were going for a flat look but i guess that was just a picture of the base coat with out the clear on my bad.

yeah i dont belong here:confused: just trying to help but i guess ppl dont want it becuase i know my shit. Sorry i bothered to pop into this thread. Ill just stay out and let you guys do your thing.

Oh btw 8 coats of clear wont stay on well and it will chip of easily.

[NemeGuero]

EVERYONE STOP!!

If you do it right, it looks GOOD!

Can you believe it? WOW.

[DUFFM4N]

Hahahaha, he discovered the wheel all over again.

Really, who didn't know this?

seriously...

you act like your some pioneer of painting a car yourself in the front yard or garage

[yokotas13]

You wouldnt use a flatting agent in the flake or base coat you would use it in the clear coat. It flattens the clear coat to get it flat look and still the same characteristics of of regualr clear. Want sure by looking in ur pics if u were going for a flat look but i guess that was just a picture of the base coat with out the clear on my bad.

yeah i dont belong here:confused: just trying to help but i guess ppl dont want it becuase i know my shit. Sorry i bothered to pop into this thread. Ill just stay out and let you guys do your thing.

Oh btw 8 coats of clear wont stay on well and it will chip of easily.
if you put a flattener in the clear you put the flake in, flake will be flattened

if it chips off...ill do it again. i really dont care lol

seriously...

you act like your some pioneer of painting a car yourself in the front yard or garage

prolly not, but apparently like 5 of us are. jesus

what it comes down to, is its something you can do yourself with decent results. you dont have to pay 1500-2000 for a paintjob if all you want is your car one color. besides, you can always use hte stuff you bought for impact guns, repaint your aero after you rip it off and get new stuff.


just be rattlecan free! im now a convert

[dirtdiggler666]

i am going to try this soon i tired of paying people to do my shit

what psi do run?

do you use a water seperator ?

[Matej]

Personally I don't see how this rivals spraypainting a car. Of course it will look better, but that's because this is on a whole different level. If everyone was willing to spend 500$ on painting their car, everyone would at least have a Maaco paint job. The reason some settle for spraypaint is because it costs 20$.

[Xandy Boosts]

I have no place to put an air compressor

once I move to a place with my own garage, it will be the first thing I buy

[norcal_black240]

i am going to try this soon i tired of paying people to do my shit

what psi do run?

do you use a water seperator ?

yes, use a water separator.

[silpena]

the flake wont flatten just the clear..... u cant change the flake but you can change the depth of it by flatting it. Oh why are u gonna do it again? isnt the point saving money in the long run and not spending 1200-2000? for about 800-1000(my own car) in materials i can do a car in show car status. Its not the materials that add up its the time and detail that makes its expensive. I can just scuff a car up with a fine scoth brite and a gallon single stage acrylic enamel and one gallon of cheap nason clear for like 240.00 and paint a car but it wont look great just shiny again.

to dirtdiggler..... first look at the gun your gonna use for the job and buy a compressor that match it. As for what psy to paint. use the paint msd's to the gun u are using to figure that out. Use a water separator/oil separator at the compressor and at the gun if ur having problems with moisture. Just drain ur tank every so often to remove the moisture in the tank.

[dirtdiggler666]

cool thanks do you think i can use a 22 gal to paint bumpers and hoods?

[yurisfriendevan]

you can have good results doing this pretty much anywhere.




http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb177/rocketcar110/rsx/rsx20.jpghttp://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb177/rocketcar110/rsx/rsx18.jpg

painted 3 stage over dirt with a 10 gallon compressor came out great.

the only reason i would ever rattle can a car is if it had body panels that were waaay off in color to the rest of the car.

You have to remember that most rattle cans are a lacquer and if you spray an enamel (automotive paint) over it, it will wrinkle. i charge more when cars come to me rattle canned, you gotta get it all off before you can spray it.

[silpena]

you can have good results doing this pretty much anywhere.




http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb177/rocketcar110/rsx/rsx20.jpghttp://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb177/rocketcar110/rsx/rsx18.jpg

painted 3 stage over dirt with a 10 gallon compressor came out great.

the only reason i would ever rattle can a car is if it had body panels that were waaay off in color to the rest of the car.

You have to remember that most rattle cans are a lacquer and if you spray an enamel (automotive paint) over it, it will wrinkle. i charge more when cars come to me rattle canned, you gotta get it all off before you can spray it.
looks great man. I'm guessing it wasnt windy lol. Yeah i also never mess with rattled cars. I've seen ppl do that. I would use maybe sealer to save time i would just take all of the crap off and start over to get great finish.

a 22 gallon can work just make sure the gun can handle it. U dont want to be stopping every 20 seconds. For a hood u might run into trouble or get dry spots and heavy spots but like bumpers, side squirts and little pieces you'll be ok.

[yurisfriendevan]

looks great man. I'm guessing it wasnt windy lol. Yeah i also never mess with rattled cars. I've seen ppl do that. I would use maybe sealer to save time i would just take all of the crap off and start over to get great finish.

a 22 gallon can work just make sure the gun can handle it. U dont want to be stopping every 20 seconds. For a hood u might run into trouble or get dry spots and heavy spots but like bumpers, side squirts and little pieces you'll be ok.


lol no it wasnt windy, but it was windy when i blended the trunk, i just covered the whole car in plastic and buffed out the little bits that landed in it when it was dry

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb177/rocketcar110/rsx/rsx21.jpg

[yokotas13]

shit was windy when i painted my car. i had to stop it was so windy at one point. and it started drizzling at one point for liek 3 minutes as well

[!Zar!]

cool thanks do you think i can use a 22 gal to paint bumpers and hoods?

It's not so much how many gallons, but the ccf or whatever that is important.

Most of the cheaper ones can't flow fast enough for a quality job.

Or so I've heard.

[DisEpyon]

Looks sick Yokotas, great job. You need to hurry up and get that thing wet sanded and polished and waxed up for pics. want to see them.

Anyone try this with there car? not sure if this is expensive or not. (not my car just found it on another forum)
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/disepyon/g4.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/disepyon/g5.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m271/disepyon/g7.jpg

[Antihero983]

wait. grant has a car with poor fitment?

WTF? did someone divide by zero?

and yeah my rattle can job has lasted 3 years, but it'll be time for a legit paint job at some point.

[SimpleSexy180]

ey ey, screw you and your compressor and paint.

im going to go rattle can my wheels now.

thanks grant.

[silpena]

It's not so much how many gallons, but the ccf or whatever that is important.

Most of the cheaper ones can't flow fast enough for a quality job.

Or so I've heard.
do u mean scfm? thats the true amount a compressor can flow at a given psi. Its not that can flow enough. Its the pump that can flow enough air at a continous psi without refilling or over load the motor or burning up the pump. Cheap ones just die or flow very little scfm. most hvlp guns run around 35-45psi.

[punk138]

looks good!

when i painted my first car outside it came out shitty and got grass and dirt on the clear.

never again! ill use a garage next time.

[rednissan180]

I want to do this, what would be a good gun to use and where to get it from?
Im used to just spraypainting shit...:down:

[Pank]

Oh btw 8 coats of clear wont stay on well and it will chip of easily.

Tell that to every single pre 1972 show car owner.

[chibo]

Tell that to every single pre 1972 show car owner.

Those aren't really driven around and subjected to rocks and stuff are they though?

[silpena]

Those aren't really driven around and subjected to rocks and stuff are they though?
no they are not they are garage queens and they have thick steel bodies. Flex under normal conditions is not an issue but yeah it will chip easy with all the thick clear if driven on the road. I allways see those tow their cars in trailers. They never drive them to shows unless they are crazy. All those "guys" dont use clear. They use lacquer paints and they crack and spider web in the sun due to poor uv protection and dont hold their gloss well.

These day true show cars only have about 2-3 coats of clear. originally they may have put on around 7-8 coats but they do it in stages where they keep on color sanding it into finer grits till the clear perfectly flat as glass. I've done this on one qp to experiment. It works but alot of $ and time.

[silpena]

I want to do this, what would be a good gun to use and where to get it from?
Im used to just spraypainting shit...:down:
a good gun will run u from a basic DIY at 90-140.00. Some guns come with mulitple tips. These guns are ideal for a DIY and if u dont paint much.
professional/production guns that are made to be designated guns run from 230-800.00. My best gun cost me 350.00. Its an iwata and i love it compared to all the guns i've used.


good companys in my list is:*the last 4 only offer basic beginner guns*
satajet
anest iwata
devilbiss(almost or as good as iwata)
graco
binks
accuspray

[UfoZ8myCow]

Looks decent... But for $500 bucks I'd rather take the shit to Earl Scheib and have them do the work. I did that on my 240, the paint job came out great, it was a 24 hour turn around, and it came with a lifetime warranty.

$500 = metallic paint (black with gold pearl)/ color change of door jambs, trunk jamb, underside of trunk lid, etc, everthing but engine bay.

http://a907.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/31/l_391db6b3238d4e2d2ed685e53cddc2c2.jpg

Shitty pic. But you get the idea.

[!Zar!]

do u mean scfm? thats the true amount a compressor can flow at a given psi. Its not that can flow enough. Its the pump that can flow enough air at a continous psi without refilling or over load the motor or burning up the pump. Cheap ones just die or flow very little scfm. most hvlp guns run around 35-45psi.

Yeah, that.

[yokotas13]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/3082218392_e1eb31bdf4_b.jpg

this is with no sanding, or anything.
havent washed it sinc ei painted it either

[yurisfriendevan]

it came out good. lets see some shots in the daylight!

[silpena]

what paint is that? looks cool. Its like a grainy color.

[yurisfriendevan]

what paint is that? looks cool. Its like a grainy color.


its the paint he sprayed in the op. i believe he said its a flake he added to the clear coat. good call because flake wouldnt show very well if you just add it into the white.

[yokotas13]

Just a random white paint from the store, house of color fusha flakes in clear, then more clear

[DreamN]

lol didn't mehsilvia post a $300 DIY Paint Job thread in the premie section?

That paint does look pretty cool though. :bigok:

[ALTRNTV]

Don't rattlecan, just send it to widegts.

[SexPanda]

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p279/sexpanda69/pimpwagon.jpg

Just say yes to rattlecan... My wagon is le shit.

I kicked a hole through the rear 1/4 panal today though... lol a little more rusted then I thought.

[DUFFM4N]

Don't rattlecan, just send it to widegts.

id rather have my 2 year old daughter finger paint my car in that case :eek3:

[TravisSW]

500 bucks. That's about the same as going to Maaco and having them do it.

Your call though. :)
Looks awesome btw.

[ballinnmiami240sx]

500 bucks. That's about the same as going to Maaco and having them do it.

Your call though. :)
Looks awesome btw.


and you dont get the honor of saying you did it yourself. +maaco is not going to do a better job than you are. As for myself, I rather learn how to do things on my own. Painting is really time consuming and this is why shops charge so much. The paint process is the easiest part. Stop rattle canning your cars. They look like garbage.

I use cheap guns and get great results. This gun is from harbor freight and for the standard gravity feed gun is $14.99 WTF. The HVLP gun runs $49.99.

I use the gravity feed for primer and the HVLP for base / clear. I do get great results, but with any DIY garage job there will be some imperfections that will have to be sanded and buffed out.

http://www.fugertech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/004-spray-gun.jpg


Another $250 dollard job. This materials, primer, reducer, paint.

Single stage white: first car I ever painted. I first rattle canned it $65 dollards and after coming out like shit I went out and bought single stage paint for $100 and it came out like this.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/vert/100_2025.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/vert/100_2026.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/vert/100_2020.jpg

And here is the latest car I painted. You can also see my fan set up. I usually install an ac filter to aid in overspray. I also use 10x20 drapes from lowes paint department.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/mickey/100_4572.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/mickey/100_4569.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/mickey/100_4582.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/mickey/100_4583.jpg

[rednissan180]

a good gun will run u from a basic DIY at 90-140.00. Some guns come with mulitple tips. These guns are ideal for a DIY and if u dont paint much.
professional/production guns that are made to be designated guns run from 230-800.00. My best gun cost me 350.00. Its an iwata and i love it compared to all the guns i've used.


good companys in my list is:*the last 4 only offer basic beginner guns*
satajet
anest iwata
devilbiss(almost or as good as iwata)
graco
binks
accuspray

thank you for the info!

[silpena]

and you dont get the honor of saying you did it yourself. +maaco is not going to do a better job than you are. As for myself, I rather learn how to do things on my own. Painting is really time consuming and this is why shops charge so much. The paint process is the easiest part. Stop rattle canning your cars. They look like garbage.

I use cheap guns and get great results. This gun is from harbor freight and for the standard gravity feed gun is $14.99 WTF. The HVLP gun runs $49.99.

I use the gravity feed for primer and the HVLP for base / clear. I do get great results, but with any DIY garage job there will be some imperfections that will have to be sanded and buffed out.

http://www.fugertech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/004-spray-gun.jpg


Another $250 dollard job. This materials, primer, reducer, paint.

Single stage white: first car I ever painted. I first rattle canned it $65 dollards and after coming out like shit I went out and bought single stage paint for $100 and it came out like this.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/vert/100_2025.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/vert/100_2026.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/vert/100_2020.jpg

And here is the latest car I painted. You can also see my fan set up. I usually install an ac filter to aid in overspray. I also use 10x20 drapes from lowes paint department.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/mickey/100_4572.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/mickey/100_4569.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/mickey/100_4582.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c333/ballinnmiami240sx/mickey/100_4583.jpg

i like how to mounted all your parts!

[yokotavia]

grant. we ARE painting my car when i finish the swap and get aero.

dam, reading all this diy shit just makes me want to sell a kidney and get all my shit done in 1 weekend. ha

[40daws]

How bad do the fumes get when you spray at home ? Does it penetrate the house at all ?

[ballinnmiami240sx]

I have a detached garage FTW!!!!!!

I dont think the fumes will creep that much into the house. Using an HVLP gun will minimize lots of over spray also. Try to use some kind of fan to move the fumes outside of the space you are working in.

I decided to go this route because it was better than spray paint, I can change colors when ever i wanted, fix driftscars, and learn something new.

[yurisfriendevan]

when i painted in my garage the fumes didnt penetrate the house. Also if you leave the bottom of your garage door open and then open the outside access door open it makes a weak cross draft booth.

Paint fumes are heavier than air so they sit on the ground and accumulate. Be sure to turn off your water heater and clothes dryer if its in the garage, you dont want any fires!

[dirtdiggler666]

ok i got a question

what outside temp should you paint it?

and say im going to paint in my garage but its like 40 degrees outside how can i heat up the garage?

[ballinnmiami240sx]

I use 2 kerozyne heaters for pre-warm up. I cant remember the BTU's I use, but I pre heat the garage for an hour. Turn them off when I start spraying and then turn them back on when I'm done. I just finished my last car and it came out great for 40 degree weather. I'm done unttil it gets hotter though. I painted a few cars and all of the sudden I had people asking me to spray their cars. A little side money doesnt hurt ;)

[silpena]

idealy u you want around 70-80 degree's with zero humidity but yeah u might want something to heat up the garage. At 40 degrees your paint will be hella cold and so would the surface of the metal of the car. Youll have a good chance of running the paint or not letting it flash off enough to where your gonna trap solvents in between coats and have issue down the road. I would get like 2 10,0000 btu heaters and if u can control the temp of the garage. If your lucky get another like oh idk 30-40,0000 btu and when u are done painting bake that garage upto 130 degree's. Your paint will cure in about 20-35min lol.

as for the fumes they shouldnt get into the hosue unless u have vents or ducting that goes inside the house or ur house is so old that they sneak through all the cracks. Get an intake somewhere to bing in fresh air and an exhuast to keep the fumes/over spray away from the car and you.

yuris made a good point on the heater and everything. Turn those off or could possibly blow ur urself in there or have a flash fire. another thing is try to get explosion proof lights. The fumes can ignite from those too.

and if u cant do anything of this then ask around u and see if someone will rent you out a paint booth and make sure its heated so u can control the weather.Fortunely i have access to one booth thats a cross draft for pretty much free but in the winter i dont like it and i have access 3 down draft booths. 2 are infrared heated and 1 is force heated with a furnace.

[Yuri]

Evan's made a good point on the heater and everything. Turn those off or could possibly blow ur urself in there or have a flash fire. another thing is try to get explosion proof lights. The fumes can ignite from those too.



Fixed .

[RedStage]

grant...want to practice on a multi colored 180SX????

also, if you know anyone looking for a cheap ($1500) 180...let me know.

[dirtdiggler666]

silpena do you think this is a good gun to start with

DeVILBISS FinishLine 3 Waterborne HVLP SPRAY PAINT GUN - eBay (item 190267432252 end time Dec-16-08 13:55:53 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/DeVILBISS-FinishLine-3-Waterborne-HVLP-SPRAY-PAINT-GUN_W0QQitemZ190267432252QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item190267432252&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A543%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C2 40%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

oh and will this work ok for air/ water http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-OIL-WATER-SEPARATORS-FOR-AIR-COMPRESSOR-PAINT-GUN_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2 Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3 a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem 360090886218QQitemZ360090886218QQptZMotorsQ5fAutom otiveQ5fTools

[yokotas13]

grant...want to practice on a multi colored 180SX????

also, if you know anyone looking for a cheap ($1500) 180...let me know.
man, if you can get me in that booth i can paint your shit in a weekend

[PBucch]

Nice posts in this thread silpena. Thanks.

[silpena]

no problem glad to help. Now if only i could get my own shop going. Probably wait another 5+ yrs for that.

[silpena]

yes on the gun but i would get the starting line becuase i highly doubt u need the stain less internals for waterborne paint. Great gun thought btu for the same price u an get a a primer gun/touch up gun/ bc/cc gun. Unless u plan on painting more cars in the future i get the starting line kit. I'm not too big of a fan on those cups. They discolor and over time when using them for bc/cc.

with the touch up gun u can use it for jambing and tight areas. Believe u will need it.

as for the water separator/oil seperator it will work just make sure to check/replace them often and drain ur compressor alot since its very humid in this time of the year.


silpena do you think this is a good gun to start with

DeVILBISS FinishLine 3 Waterborne HVLP SPRAY PAINT GUN - eBay (item 190267432252 end time Dec-16-08 13:55:53 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/DeVILBISS-FinishLine-3-Waterborne-HVLP-SPRAY-PAINT-GUN_W0QQitemZ190267432252QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item190267432252&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A543%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C2 40%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

oh and will this work ok for air/ water eBay Motors: 2 OIL & WATER SEPARATORS FOR AIR COMPRESSOR PAINT GUN (item 360090886218 end time Dec-19-08 11:13:30 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-OIL-WATER-SEPARATORS-FOR-AIR-COMPRESSOR-PAINT-GUN_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2 Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3 a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem 360090886218QQitemZ360090886218QQptZMotorsQ5fAutom otiveQ5fTools)

[dirtdiggler666]

cool thanks for all the help man this is when i wish we still had rep

[RedStage]

man, if you can get me in that booth i can paint your shit in a weekend

I'll look inyto it tomorrow...only have 45 days to peddle the 180.... :(

[yokotas13]

if you can swing me getting in there without a resperator class bullshit i can do it over xmas break

[worangejuice]

My apt. parking lot sadly does not permit me to do this. I can hardly spray pieces w/o it getting on other cars:(. I need a garage:/
Good thread. I would be all over this if so.

[RedStage]

if you can swing me getting in there without a resperator class bullshit i can do it over xmas break

forgot that was the problem...all that money to build that paint booth and no one can use it....

[yokotas13]

pretty much
hook me up with the dates of the class. maybe it will fall on a day off this christmas break

[RedStage]

/\ will ask tomorrow and see what they say

[liv2drift045]

the respirator course is online... nko (navy knowledge online)... it may also be on your equivalent airforce training site as well... but don't quote me.

[HyperTek]

yokota i like how your car came out.

this pic is from yesterday
http://i33.tinypic.com/107rqrn.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/29594dc.jpg

i woulda had it sprayed back in march but then my financial situation changed and was no longer a priority.

i got a 21 gal air compressor and a gal of some plc poly primer, i feel like blasting it one of these days to get it a solid grey base..

Money is tight right now, i cant really look at considering painting right now, my friend wants to spray it too. but I also want to take my time to spray it....

sadly i may raise it up a lil bit, i cracked my other fender comin out of my driveway this morning *im fixing it now*
really discourages me from leaving my house having to deal with it lol
http://i34.tinypic.com/14e8dn9.jpg

I freaking love the look esp with the fiberglass fenders, its just hard to come to the idea of changing it away from what it was set at.

I should have blasted this a few months ago when i still had some money.. even now would be a good time since im unemployed.. I just cant spare a few bucks right now for this.

[Matej]

Speaking of rattlecanning, these guys paint a car at the track, haha.
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[HyperTek]

they probably did it for the video? the car looked good before

[HyperTek]

bump this awesome thread
i bought this HF gun on the right thinking i was gonna use it, but i still have access to my friends matco silver eagle hvlp gun so i just grabbed it from him today
http://i32.tinypic.com/34ezs41.jpg

the HF gun has a 1.4mm nozzle, and the silver eagle has 1.3mm nozzle.. Ill use the HF gun to spray primer, think the nozzle is too small for primer? I need to throw some primer on some bare metal on my car.

Ill need to pick up some new primer because the stuff i had I sad on it for 3 years and didnt realize it has a shelf life, any one got some recommendations?

I also got a gallon of single stage white im gonna hit it with.

Im no longer employed so figured i could knock this out b4 i get serious again with work.

[Kouki_Love]

damn how did i miss this thread.. i hate rattle can... i painted my shell myself in my garage for less that 200 bux.. luckily my friend let me borrow his compressor and i bough the paint.

i had never done any body work in my life.. so it was an interesting experience..

here are some pics.. i still have to wet sand and buff. just waiting for my front to be on... not bad for a first timer imo..

pics..

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa38/YB2FastEVO/s13%20DRFT%20Build/blahhhh003.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa38/YB2FastEVO/s13%20DRFT%20Build/blahhhh005.jpg

[HyperTek]

dam didnt think about this but the top portion of my car is bare metal clear coated.. im debating which primer to use.. really hating this because im on a no job budget and looking at different primers i may need raise the price up alot just to take care of that bare metal area.. =(

[Kouki_Love]

dude your FC is sick man, if i was you i would just get a light primer to get it as close as how it looks now...

[HyperTek]

i live i socal, flat black is pretty risky imo. otherwise id be all for some hot rod flatz colors. i bet flat red or yellow would be crazy lol

I need to find out what primer will be ok on this thing.. im gonna wetsand the whole care, and i need to clean up that bare metal area.. what primer can i use for all? Im gonna take teh car body apart so everything will be sprayed in pieces. What would you guys suggest?

[KrazyS13]

This thread has just inspired me to get a compressor/separator setup so I can spray my own shit instead of getting ripped by local body shops! I've got my own garage now so I can throw down!!!

I'm gonna get the same compressor my dad just got, it's a bad [email protected]#%^& and it's not tooo bad $$$ wise.

HyperTek, Sweeet FC man! I love those cars, I miss mine!!

[ms!3]

spray paint can actually turn out pretty decent sometimes.

just have to take your time.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/527/018vtv.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/018vtv.jpg/)

[duffman1278]

I need to find out what primer will be ok on this thing.. im gonna wetsand the whole care, and i need to clean up that bare metal area.. what primer can i use for all? Im gonna take teh car body apart so everything will be sprayed in pieces. What would you guys suggest?

I'm using SPI aka Southern Polyurethanes, since you're in socal you'll have to order it but let me tell you! This stuff is great! and the dude in charge has unmatched customer service. I've pretty much heard nothing but great stuff from this product. There's also a forum dedicated to this product and the people on there are really good help.

If you're sanding to bare metal you could go like how I went, epoxy primer, then 2k high build over that and then paint and clear.

I'm currently finishing up my car, I bought myself a Devilbiss Finish Line kit and I love this thing. I used the HF gun in attempts to just shoot the primer with it but it ended up shooting like crap halfway through the hood so I junked it and just used my Devilbiss.

Rattle Canning is junk, I'm so glad I did more work and went this route. May not be professional work but it still didn't come out that bad.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/duffman1278/S13%20Kit%20build/DSC_2485.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/duffman1278/S13%20Kit%20build/DSC_2469.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/duffman1278/S13%20Kit%20build/DSC_2466.jpg

[HyperTek]

nice, well im hopping to get away with just getting 1 primer since again im on a no job budget lol. its just partial area thats bare metal because prior owner decided to do it like that. more of a hassle down the road instead of actually looking cool