Change

[Brian]

So, we have all seen those Obama "change" shirts/posters/images.


My question is...


For those who support Obama and this "change", what does CHANGE mean?

I would like to know.


discuss.

[lflkajfj12123]

its an abstract idea

for

obama needs to change his underwear

[raz0rbladez909]

It's a slogan to make people think that he will actually be different from any other candidate looking to make money, and make himself look good.:coolugh:

[niSm095]

enough..christ...republican..we get it...John McCain says he's not like George Bush...how is he so different...discuss..
haven't there been enough political threads already

[TX-S13]

Well this country is pretty bad off right now and picking a president can only make it worse. Esp. if you picked Obama. Seriously the guy is an idiot, not a GW Bush Idiot but a different kind of Idiot, Bush was set on his ways and was just an idiot. Obama is so wishy washy that he is an idiot. Looks like Biden will be president after about say 6 months.

[niSm095]

another genius...Fox News called..they want to offer you a job.

[Brian]

enough..christ...republican..we get it...John McCain says he's not like George Bush...how is he so different...discuss..
haven't there been enough political threads already

I'm not pro Bush or pro Obama.... I didn't vote.

I'm honestly wondering what the deal is.

[shishcabobers]

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thats what change is.... ^ hate that video btw

[cc4usmc]

Wow that video is retarded.

[raz0rbladez909]

another genius...Fox News called..they want to offer you a job.

Maybe if you learned how to read you would see that I said "It's a slogan to make people think that he will actually be different from any other candidate looking to make money, and make himself look good." Maybe I wasn't clear in saying it but no matter who the candidate they are always A. Looking out for #1 which is themselves, and B. Will say anything to get you to vote for them.:snoop:

[RJF]

Change was a good slogan since for the past eight years the media has been constantly whipping up the anti-GWB, GWB is the devil sentiment and BHO took advantage of that.

Compare how BHO ran during the primaries against HRC and how he magically came towards the political center for the general election. With the help of the media, who never exposed any of BHO's questionable positions in issues the public was fooled. If you only watch the MSM and believe everything they say, BHO sounds like the best thing sliced bread.

Don't be surprised if with the majority in both the House and the Senate, his policies take a sharp turn to the left on many areas including guns, freedom of speech, energy, taxes, etc. and there will be a change that many people won't like, because if you look at the map, most of the country is still red and based on the popular vote the country is still pretty much 50/50.

As an aside, when BHO gets inagurated, will Supreme Court Justice Roberts be allowed to say his full name like they have for every other President? Think about it.

[niSm095]

Maybe if you learned how to read you would see that I said "It's a slogan to make people think that he will actually be different from any other candidate looking to make money, and make himself look good." Maybe I wasn't clear in saying it but no matter who the candidate they are always A. Looking out for #1 which is themselves, and B. Will say anything to get you to vote for them.:snoop:

and maybe if you would learn to follow logical order you'd see that I wasn't talking to you. Get back in your hole.

[RJF]

and maybe if you would learn to follow logical order you'd see that I wasn't talking to you. Get back in your hole.

Watch the attitude.

[shishcabobers]

and maybe if you would learn to follow logical order you'd see that I wasn't talking to you. Get back in your hole.

whoa whoa man no need to get all defensive not all internet is serious business.

http://www.qwantz.com/fanart/DinoComicInternetSerious.png

[niSm095]

Don't be surprised if with the majority in both the House and the Senate, his policies take a sharp turn to the left on many areas including guns, freedom of speech, energy, taxes, etc. and there will be a change that many people won't like, because if you look at the map, most of the country is still red and based on the popular vote the country is still pretty much 50/50.

As an aside, when BHO gets inagurated, will Supreme Court Justice Roberts be allowed to say his full name like they have for every other President? Think about it.


And that's why this country's political system is fucked. Regardless of whether or not I agree with you is moot. As long as the country is split 50/50 we most likely won't get anywhere productive. I'm sorry but 51% certainly doesn't seem like a majority.

[KwKouki]

Well this country is pretty bad off right now and picking a president can only make it worse. Esp. if you picked Obama. Seriously the guy is an idiot, not a GW Bush Idiot but a different kind of Idiot, Bush was set on his ways and was just an idiot. Obama is so wishy washy that he is an idiot. Looks like Biden will be president after about say 6 months.

Location: TX

:keke::keke::keke:

[raz0rbladez909]

and maybe if you would learn to follow logical order you'd see that I wasn't talking to you. Get back in your hole.

Ok well if you used logic you would see that your post came right after mine and you had not quoted anyone directly with what you were saying. Try taking a bit of your own advice.

[Icy13]

well, maybe he is actually different?

strange, how he might actually be?

wow, w/e

oh, and change, why do you think everyone keeps calling him a damn socialist? (well actually it IS because people are fucking morons, socialism is only old USSR or mao-ist china, but if you mean social democracy then yes, that is pretty much what he has been saying and it means that maybe, maybe, the bullshit that reagan started 30+yrs ago will finally be put right and america wont be the laughing stock of the developed world. We are the laughing stock of the developed world, period. Why we are can be discussed if you want, although you can probably guess which side i will be arguing, however the basic fact that people find americans to be a bit of a joke is incontrivertable. They may fear or respect us but we are a bit of a joke because we are always (red and blue) holier than thou and yet our country ranks on most social (poor, healthcare, education, etc.) measures about equal with 3rd world countries.

[Brian]

It is sad that I can't even ask a question without somebody throwing back some rude remark.

[niSm095]

I'm not pro Bush or pro Obama.... I didn't vote.

I'm honestly wondering what the deal is.


Fair enough then. But you have to admit it seems to come off a little snide. Change is a general term (which, to be fair, both candidates have used in the latter part of their campaigning) that is meant to be a diversion from the "past 8 years" mentality. I believe Obama made a speech somewhere saying that change can mean different things for different people. I guess that sums it up best.

[shishcabobers]

It is sad that I can't even ask a question without somebody throwing back some rude remark.

Well ddddduuuuudddddeeeeee, its a political thread, what do you expect everyone holding hands and putting flower in each others ear? I THINK NOT!

[niSm095]

Ok well if you used logic you would see that your post came right after mine and you had not quoted anyone directly with what you were saying. Try taking a bit of your own advice.


My post that you quoted didn't come directly after yours. Look again. Enough...back to topic.

[SexPanda]

Change is something I dont want. I want whole dollars, but with his plan, I'll get nothing but change.

[Brian]

This is how I feel about this election...

I'd say that I have seen Obama advertisements EASILY 10 to 1 for McCain.

CHANGE... ok great

Change what.


I am just worried about all the people... the "record amount of people" that vited this year for Obama and "change" when they have NO idea what is even going on.

As far as I'm concerned, the record number of voters is useless. What good is a million voted for a guy if those voters have no idea what is even going on.



Anyways..... I hope the country still stays at the top of the world with this "CHANGE"

I'm not so sure it will....

[RJF]

well, maybe he is actually different?

strange, how he might actually be?

wow, w/e

oh, and change, why do you think everyone keeps calling him a damn socialist? (well actually it IS because people are fucking morons, socialism is only old USSR or mao-ist china, but if you mean social democracy then yes, that is pretty much what he has been saying and it means that maybe, maybe, the bullshit that reagan started 30+yrs ago will finally be put right and america wont be the laughing stock of the developed world. We are the laughing stock of the developed world, period. Why we are can be discussed if you want, although you can probably guess which side i will be arguing, however the basic fact that people find americans to be a bit of a joke is incontrivertable. They may fear or respect us but we are a bit of a joke because we are always (red and blue) holier than thou and yet our country ranks on most social (poor, healthcare, education, etc.) measures about equal with 3rd world countries.

Look at BHO's policies, they are leftist and socialist....Spread the wealth around? can't get more socialist than that.

And if you didn't grow up during the Reagan presidency don't comment on it. I still remember before Reagan having to do fallout shelter drills in case the USSR attacked and hearing on the news that Soviet bombers were patrolling the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. Granted it wouldn't have mattered, but we can all thank him for winning the Cold War and getting both ours and their nukes off hair-trigger alerts.

[niSm095]

Change is something I dont want. I want whole dollars, but with his plan, I'll get nothing but change.

Another problem with this country. People can never get enough. As long as all people care about is themselves.. unfortunately the hard-lined conservative followers are correct.. nothing will change for the better.

[anthony240]

I didn't vote either, I told a buddy no matter how it goes, we haven't seen the last of those Obama shirts.

[SexPanda]

Another problem with this country. People can never get enough. As long as all people care about is themselves.. unfortunately the hard-lined conservative followers are correct.. nothing will change for the better.

No, my family makes more than 43 grand a year (its like 45 a year), with 4 kids, alimony and all that stuff we have to pay for like bills and what not, if we get our taxes raised, we'll be up shit creek without a paddle.

Spread the wealth? Shit, he'll be taking what little wealth we have (middle class) and giving it to the people who decided to drop out of highschool, not use a condom, and now live in a trailer with 6 kids working at McDonalds. Thats not my problem, thats theirs.

[Icy13]

Location: TX

:keke::keke::keke:

tears, texans for obama bitch!:fawkd::fawkd::fawkd::fawkd:

[niSm095]

Look at BHO's policies, they are leftist and socialist....Spread the wealth around? can't get more socialist than that.


And on that note I must digress...changing peoples' minds won't happen...there IS a difference between "socialism" as you seem to define it and social democracy...watch out...those socially-democratic Canadians are poised to strike at our American hearts, minds and wallets...

[40daws]

My vote initially went to Ron Paul. Paul is about radical,needed,change. Seeing as how Mr. Paul is not even close,I went with Obama.

[98s14inaz]

So, we have all seen those Obama "change" shirts/posters/images.


My question is...


For those who support Obama and this "change", what does CHANGE mean?

I would like to know.


discuss.

I'll tell you what it means. Let's say we go out to dinner. Your waiter does a fantastic job. He brings you the bill, you pay it, then take the waiter's tip, walk outside and give it to a homeless guy. The waiter looks pissed and you explain that even though he earned that tip the homeless guy needed the money more. So there is your change :bigok:

[S14DB]

Well when the LMNOP gets control over the ABC we are all screwed.

Don't forget 789...

[niSm095]

No, my family makes more than 43 grand a year (its like 45 a year), with 4 kids, alimony and all that stuff we have to pay for like bills and what not, if we get our taxes raised, we'll be up shit creek without a paddle.

Unfortunately, no where in his policies does it say you would be taxed more..seeing as you aren't a small business making 200k + a year...

[40daws]

Change is something I dont want. I want whole dollars, but with his plan, I'll get nothing but change.

Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future.’

RFK

[SexPanda]

Unfortunately, no where in his policies does it say you would be taxed more..seeing as you aren't a small business making 200k + a year...

The money has to come from somewhere. With all the fat cats in washington (democrats, republicans, it doesnt matter) and a war on multiple fronts, they'll raise taxes on the middle class. You can mark my words.

READ MY LIPS: MORE TAXES.

[anthony240]

I guess we're about to find out what this change really is about, it should be an interesting next 4 years...

[RJF]

When the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010 everyone's taxes will go up.

[Icy13]

Look at BHO's policies, they are leftist and socialist....Spread the wealth around? can't get more socialist than that.

And if you didn't grow up during the Reagan presidency don't comment on it. I still remember before Reagan having to do fallout shelter drills in case the USSR attacked and hearing on the news that Soviet bombers were patrolling the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. Granted it wouldn't have mattered, but we can all thank him for winning the Cold War and getting both ours and their nukes off hair-trigger alerts.

alright, so big strong reagan saved america from the damn commies, and stagflation didnt happen, and the stock market didnt just crash because a devout reaganomics follower implemented his policies vigoruously.

Second, fear mongering isnt a reason to pick a president, and honestly I trust colin powell's military advice more than rumsfeld, chenny, or captian mccain. Now i might trust Admiral or Admiral Mccain, but w/e.

Third, you lost and that is always fun :)

Fourth, there is not talk at all about spreading the wealth. There is discussion of sharing the profits of america with americans (not just transnational coorporations or OPEC) but again, when has america ever been about that.

Oh, and gg mccain. RJF, gg as well

[SexPanda]

whats GG mean?

[HalveBlue]

Good Game.

Damn Californians and their ultra elitist ACRONYMS.

[SexPanda]

oh lol...

acronyms should be limited to these:

lol
roft
wtf
gtfo

[RJF]

alright, so big strong reagan saved america from the damn commies, and stagflation didnt happen, and the stock market didnt just crash because a devout reaganomics follower implemented his policies vigoruously.

Second, fear mongering isnt a reason to pick a president, and honestly I trust colin powell's military advice more than rumsfeld, chenny, or captian mccain. Now i might trust Admiral or Admiral Mccain, but w/e.

Third, you lost and that is always fun :)

Fourth, there is not talk at all about spreading the wealth. There is discussion of sharing the profits of america with americans (not just transnational coorporations or OPEC) but again, when has america ever been about that.

Oh, and gg mccain. RJF, gg as well

And what makes Colin Powell so qualified?

Re: Spreading the wealth - Those were words right out of Obama's mouth.

[chibo]

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee200/bigbear62/november-4-2008.jpg

[40daws]

If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading.

Lau Tzu

[Brian]

I'll tell you what it means. Let's say we go out to dinner. Your waiter does a fantastic job. He brings you the bill, you pay it, then take the waiter's tip, walk outside and give it to a homeless guy. The waiter looks pissed and you explain that even though he earned that tip the homeless guy needed the money more. So there is your change :bigok:

I think I understand what you are saying.

So, next year when I work every single day, I'm going to lose MORE money to taxes, right?

Or what?
Will I lose less?


I am afraid I will lose more...

[Matej]

I'll tell you what it means. Let's say we go out to dinner. Your waiter does a fantastic job. He brings you the bill, you pay it, then take the waiter's tip, walk outside and give it to a homeless guy. The waiter looks pissed and you explain that even though he earned that tip the homeless guy needed the money more. So there is your change :bigok:
No, because the homeless guy will have a job, dear comrade.

Proletariat!

Down with the Bourgeoisie!

[surreybc]

Change obviously is referring to the skin colour of the people who have power. This is why people were so concerned about non-white immigration. People fragment by ethnic group. Voluntarily allowing yourself to become an ethnic minority in your own country or in the world is madness.

[lflkajfj12123]

i hate the stupid fucking obama shirts oh my god

no racist but at my local college today i saw a handful of BLCKPPL wearing shirts with plastic diamonds that silhouette obama's head

really i didn't think that was of any importance in politics??????

i voted mccain

that is all

[lflkajfj12123]

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

-Winston Churchill

[SexPanda]

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

-Winston Churchill

Quoted for truth...

[Matej]

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

-Winston Churchill
Quoted for truth...
So you guys support socialism now?

Wat?

[SexPanda]

So you guys support socialism now?

Wat?

Nope, but it is the truth. The average person is completly uninformed and ignorant.

Hence why Barack Obama is now the 44th president.

[lflkajfj12123]

wat

i have one for that too you're talking about obama

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

-Winston Churchill

[Matej]

wat

i have one for that too you're talking about obama

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

-Winston Churchill
So what kind of government does Winston Churchill believe in?

British monarchy?

[lflkajfj12123]

he was conservative

and was a nobel prize winning writer

[firm tofu]

what does CHANGE mean?

I would like to know.


discuss.

simple.

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[Matej]

he was conservative

and was a nobel prize winning writer
I know that.

But you quoted his anti-democracy quote, as if democracy was suddenly bad and everyone who doesn't share your political views is an idiot, only because the candidate you voted for did not win.

You wouldn't be quoting it if McCain won.

In my opinion Obama was the better choice and democracy actually worked today, and the idiots did not prevail this time. But that's just my opinion and you may call me an idiot because you assume you're the one who knows better.

[LongGrain]

This is how I feel about this election...

I'd say that I have seen Obama advertisements EASILY 10 to 1 for McCain.

CHANGE... ok great

Change what.


I am just worried about all the people... the "record amount of people" that vited this year for Obama and "change" when they have NO idea what is even going on.

As far as I'm concerned, the record number of voters is useless. What good is a million voted for a guy if those voters have no idea what is even going on.



Anyways..... I hope the country still stays at the top of the world with this "CHANGE"

I'm not so sure it will....

brian i dont want to sound rude, but do you expect posters and T shirts to have an entire book printed on them about the meaning of his slogan?

if you really wanted to know you would have listened to him speak or at least done some honest research online.

[98s14inaz]

So you guys support socialism now?

Wat?

No, but Winston Churchill was an ass kicker. I would have voted for him.

[98s14inaz]

I think I understand what you are saying.

So, next year when I work every single day, I'm going to lose MORE money to taxes, right?

Or what?
Will I lose less?


I am afraid I will lose more...

Go ahead and bookmark this page so when this happens you'll see I was right. Bush's tax cuts drop off in 2010. Be prepared to pay for all these social programs and universal health care. You think you are paying now under Bush lol. I wonder how long Obama keeps us in Iraq?

[90hatchie]

i wonder how many of obamas votes were from actual living people lol

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