Dear Red States

[Andrew Bohan]

Dear Red States,

We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us. In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington , Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.

To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood.

We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.

We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.

We get 85 percent of America 's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama .

We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.

Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and
they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq , and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high-tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.

By the way, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico.

Peace out,

Blue States

[Rey of Spots]

We also have the Governator.

Crips and Bloods.

[shishcabobers]

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[ESmorz]

The only thing red states were good for was slaves and presidents who like dome.

[ILoveMyRHS13]

You get socialism... We get our constitutional rights.
Har dee har har.

[MudRacer]

That was a great insight. Thank you.
It applies to the population of the red states and clearly describes the essence of these states and the people within.

[Walperstyle]

...and canada gets control of its resources again

[ESmorz]

...and canada gets control of its resources again

Don't be silly.

[exitspeed]

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[SexPanda]

YOu guys can have a fucked up country. I'll move my happy ass back to Ireland. At least I'll get drunk all the time and have a sweet 200sx turbo.

[azndoc]

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[shishcabobers]

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[DUFFM4N]

*ICE-T picture*

really getting some use outta this one eh mel?

[Matej]

So glad Missouri is a blue state this year.
Too bad everyone assumes Kansas City is in Kansas.

[kablam]

Sounds like it's time to get the hell out of Alabama. :ugh:

[Rey of Spots]

Sounds like it's time to get the hell out of Alabama. :ugh:
It was time to get out of Alabama back in 1776.

[ESmorz]

Cause Alabama was one of the 13 colonies...

[spikNspan]

^^^ lol

cool thread.

[Rey of Spots]

Who said anything about the 13 colonies? I'm just saying who
the hell would want to stay in Ala FUCKING Bama. ;)

[exitspeed]

really getting some use outta this one eh mel?

It seems to be hella relevant right now.

[ESmorz]

Who said anything about the 13 colonies? I'm just saying who
the hell would want to stay in Ala FUCKING Bama. ;)

Oh I know.

Just saying there were no "Americans" in Alabama in 1776.

It seems to be hella relevant right now.

I got you a new sig.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y149/stephaniemarie1/norcal.jpg

:kiss:

[Rey of Spots]

True, because the Native Americans were from India.

:keke:

[ESmorz]

True, because the Native Americans were from India.

:keke:

Yeah because a people we raped, pillaged, and forced to become citizens really consider themselves American.

[exitspeed]

Oh I know.

Just saying there were no "Americans" in Alabama in 1776.



I got you a new sig.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y149/stephaniemarie1/norcal.jpg

:kiss:

I don't get it...I'm from WI...

[TheWolf]

guns solve everything...

[Rey of Spots]

Too bad we won't be able to buy guns once Obama gets elected.

[murda-c]

That's why i already bought mine.

[Matej]

Guns are for red state conspiracy theorists to protect themselves from imaginary threats.

[ESmorz]

I don't get it...I'm from WI...

hella hella hella hella hella

[murda-c]

Guns are for red state conspiracy theorists to protect themselves from imaginary threats.

I just like mine because it makes a hellacious noise and has a 2 foot muzzle flash, lol.

[JeremyR]

best political thread ever.

[SimpleSexy180]

scared of guns getting taken away? buy illegally, DUH.

[Rey of Spots]

scared of guns getting taken away? buy illegally, DUH.
Is this Jason? It's Rey, Romeo's friend (always at the club with him).
I heard you know where the black market places are at.

:keke:

[aNskY]

funny how there are no positives for the red states and no negative for blue... surely both have their pros and cons in relation to such abstract things as presented in the OP.

cant wait till this stupid election is over, for nothing else, to stop threads like this :rolleyes:

[lucky7]

i think everyone is just tired of arguing. i'll bleed red till the day i die. but im too sick of these stupid ass threads to bother.

our country can beat up your country.

[Matej]

surely both have their pros and cons in relation to such abstract things as presented in the OP.
No, it's all based on facts.

[89dc240]

Guns are for red state conspiracy theorists to protect themselves from imaginary threats.


I have family that depend on their firearms to feed themselves through the winter.

Obama and Biden have voted to ban the hunting ammunition they use.

What about protecting yourself?

You think when they are illegal, the criminals will give them up. That there will be no black market for arms and ammunition? Criminals could give a fuck about society's laws.
Just wait until you see how all these democrats start running things when they have no opposition.

The only glimmer of light I really see, if Obama gets illected, he will probably try to go for the second term before really pissing everybody off.

[Andrew Bohan]

oh i dunno about that, bush started pissing everyone off immediately, and he STILL got a second term

[Matej]

I have family that depend on their firearms to feed themselves through the winter.
Living in the woods and using guns to obtain food for the family is totally ok in my book. Having a house full of assault rifles in the middle of suburbia "to protect yourself" is retarded. I can even justify and understand owning one handgun. Why anyone would need anything more than that is beyond my understanding.

However, the amount of lives saved by legal guns is still an insignificant fraction when you compare it to the number of deaths caused by legal guns every year, no matter how you try to spin it.

[ryguy]

i'll bleed red till the day i die.

I sure hope so, if you bled any other color I would be concerned.

Why anyone would need anything more than that is beyond my understanding.

For when the apocalypse happens, duh. I have a friend whose parents literally have a doomsday bunker in their basement, arsenal and all.

[Rey of Spots]

Why anyone would need anything more than that is beyond my understanding.
You'll need all of them when the ZOMBAYSSS come!! :aw::aw:

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

I don't have good luck with red states. My auntie lives in Southern Texas and we stayed there for like a week to visit. She has a motion detector light in her hallway and it turned on in the middle of the night. I found her huddled in the bathroom screaming and holding her 2 year old yelling "the devil is here". Yeah, she's fucking nuts.

[ScottMan]

I want to point out that the University of Georgia is a highly ranked school. :D

Really though, these things are cute and all as long as noone is stupid enough to take them half seriously.

"You get the most stringent and draconian vehicle modification laws, we have no emissions."

"You get Harlem , we get The Woodlands, Texas."

"You get to brag about having most of the country's pineapple, we have peanuts and Vidalia onions...who cares?!"

It's all really silly. There are a bunch of tools in red states, and a bunch of tools in blue states. We're just trying to wade through them. Sadly, most of the people in either who are bragging about their respective states seem like tools as well...or they just won't make the stickers you ask for.

:D


EDIT:

Dear Red States,
all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

BTW, what's up with this? That's like saying "we get pink, orange, all the primary colors, plus red, blue, and yellow.

Did I miss something or did Harvard and Yale get kicked out of the Ivy League?

[98s14inaz]

Guns are for red state conspiracy theorists to protect themselves from imaginary threats.

Just because a threat hasn't manifested itself doesn't mean it doesn't exist. When your doors get kicked down by the American Gestapo (Homeland Security) you come run to my house, I'll protect you and your rights with my life and my guns.

[azanprophet]

New California you can also have

1) The highest prison population(s) since in red sates if you kill someone we kill you back.
2) All the illegal immigrants to chew up those extra tax dollars you're going to be paying.
3) The useless welfare, then none of you will want to work and you'll be begging to come back
4) The earthqaukes that made california so famous.
5) Isn't hawaii sinking anyway?!?!
6) And your pineapple and lettuce, while you're chewing down cow food I'm going to be in my backyard barbecuing up a nice thick steak.

We'll Keep

1) Las Vegas, Nevada...America's playground
2) Texas, the only state that can legally fly it's flag even with the U.S. flag and legally secede from the union. Also where that foreign oil you hate comes to port.
3) New Orleans, Home of Mardi Gras and the originators of flashing for plastic beads
4) Alaska, where all the oil will come from since you obviously don't want foreign oil, better get working on those electric cars
5) Michigan...Camaros, Mustangs, Cadillacs, etc.
6) University of Texas, University of Oklahoma, Baylor University, LSU, Rice University, Baylor Medical School, UT Law School, SMU, basically some of the best higher education institutions in the world.

So you take your tree hugging, protesting, electric car driving whiners and we'll keep the backbone of the country and watch you flop around like a chicken with its' head cut off.

Thanks for cutting the fat.

[aa87]

1) Las Vegas, Nevada...America's playground
2) Texas, the only state that can legally fly it's flag even with the U.S. flag and legally secede from the union. Also where that foreign oil you hate comes to port.
3) New Orleans, Home of Mardi Gras and the originators of flashing for plastic beads
4) Alaska, where all the oil will come from since you obviously don't want foreign oil, better get working on those electric cars
5) Michigan...Camaros, Mustangs, Cadillacs, etc.
6) University of Texas, University of Oklahoma, Baylor University, LSU, Rice University, Baylor Medical School, UT Law School, SMU, basically some of the best higher education institutions in the world.

So you take your tree hugging, protesting, electric car driving whiners and we'll keep the backbone of the country and watch you flop around like a chicken with its' head cut off.

Thanks for cutting the fat.

I will move to my home state colorado if such a scenario were to occur.

1) Good way to get an STD and lose your cash.
2) Texas is ok compared to the shithole i'm stuck in
3) Smells like absolute shit and a majority of the tits you see are fat chicks.
4) Your precious oil will have to be transported a long way, pipelines to red states will have to eventually cross blue states in which we will drill holes and take our own share.
5) Keep the failing car markets. Wait, no they are ours, blue state.
6) Best higher education institutions in the world? Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Stanford, Penn, Columbia? Ever heard of the north east?

Blue states will be rad-tastic.

[SexPanda]

lol. Honestly, red states or blue states, you couldnt live without us, and we couldnt live without you.

Silly ignorant liberal propaganda. There's no such thing as a half truth, only lies.

With that being said, I will keep my guns thanks. I enjoy shooting shit, and honestly, while I hope it never happens, if someone threatens my family, I'll be more than happy to take them out before they take me or anyone I love out. Survival of the fittest. (another reason Im never voting democratic. Im a firm believer in survival of the fittest.)

[Rey of Spots]

I'll be more than happy to take them out before they take me or anyone I love out.
"It's better to be judged by 12, than be carried by 6."

[HalveBlue]

"It's better to be judged by 12, then be carried by 6."

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaa h!

Really?

1 imaginary rep point for anyone that can figure out why I'm laughing so hard.

[98s14inaz]

"It's better to be judged by 12, than to be carried by 6."

Best quote of the entire thread^ Win.

[98s14inaz]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaa h!

Really?

1 imaginary rep point for anyone that can figure out why I'm laughing so hard.

Spelling pwns him.

[cdlong]

do people honestly think they can build up enough of an arsenal to make any difference? if the "American Gestapo" ever comes to kick down your door, if you pull a gun on them, they'll shoot you. if you have 10 guys with guns in your basement, they'll show up with 30. and a chopper, and maybe a tank. does no one remember the Branch Davidians? the point is, owning guns to protect yourself from the Gestapo is a self fulfilling prophecy and a good way to get dead.

all that said, i'm all for looser gun laws. hunting weapons, fine. pistols, cool. hell, i'm not even against guns best used for killing people. laws aren't going to keep them out of the hands of criminals, and the best way i know to get somebody out of my house that shouldn't be there is just to hear the pumping of a shotgun from around the corner.

[spngr311]

How come no one wants Florida? LOL! We've got great beaches, space technologies, and no emissions.

I guess Florida is like a purple state.

[emersonLP]

Ugh why do politics make people so retarded.


PS: Go DAWGS

[Rey of Spots]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaa h!

Really?

1 imaginary rep point for anyone that can figure out why I'm laughing so hard.
Ok, so I used "then" instead of "than." Kill me now . :aw::aw:

[mRclARK1]

YOu guys can have a fucked up country. I'll move my happy ass back to Ireland. At least I'll get drunk all the time and have a sweet 200sx turbo.

I'll come with you and we'll go to Northern Ireland... I got family there. haha

You think when they are illegal, the criminals will give them up. That there will be no black market for arms and ammunition? Criminals could give a fuck about society's laws.

As someone who is living in a country that HAS done (in effect) a complete ban on firearms (except for hunting rifles, which are still highly regulated... You can get a handgun, but you wouldn't believe how difficult it is and what the laws say about storage etc.), this is very true. Canada has a high break and enter and robbery rate. Why? Because it's almost a certainty here that the home owners (if they happen to be home, or are alerted) are not armed with any firearm. Even IF there is one in the home, it's likely a rifle... locked up in the basement, unloaded and of no help to the occupants at all. It's very true that only criminals have guns when law abiding citizens are forbidden from owning them. Criminals don't care if their gun is illegal... They're already criminals.

I don't know about anyone else, but if I'm willing to possibley commit murder, I don't give a shit if the weapon I use is prohibited... :rolleyes:

Split up red states and blue states into two nations...

Then the reds will just invade... All the blues are unarmed after all. ;)

:keke:

[aNskY]

No, it's all based on facts.


i didnt disagree with anything presented. merely stating that theres another side to the argument.

i live in a blue state and i can think of plenty of negative shit that the op didnt touch.

[raz0rbladez909]

I don't know about anyone else, but if I'm willing to possibley commit murder, I don't give a shit if the weapon I use is prohibited... :rolleyes:

Split up red states and blue states into two nations...

Then the reds will just invade... All the blues are unarmed after all. ;)

:keke:

Quoted for truth and its what I've been saying this whole time, gun laws only make it harder for law abiding people to get them, it definitely doesn't stop criminals. As funny as this thread is I'm still curious as to why people are afraid of guns, a gun never killed anyone, the person using the gun is what kills people.

[Gnnr]

How come no one wants Florida? LOL! We've got great beaches, space technologies, and no emissions.

I guess Florida is like a purple state.

Shit, can S. FL join New California? We don't vote like the rest of the people in the boonies.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Florida2004bycounty.PNG

[Baka Sama]

I want to point out that the University of Georgia is a highly ranked school. :D

Not only does Georgia have UGA, but we have:

Georgia Tech
Georgia State
Emory
Spelman
Agnes Scott
Southern Polytechnic
Kennesaw State
Clayton State
Morehouse

But shhh, we're suppose to be stupid slaves and slave owners who cant read. Oh and the best part is the lack of dumb gangs that seem to plague cali and new york.


-Anyone who thinks this country is divided by red and blue is an idiot.

[spngr311]

Shit, can S. FL join New California? We don't vote like the rest of the people in the boonies.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Florida2004bycounty.PNG

I'm all for that - I hated living in South Florida! I liked the people there, have a lot of friends down there, but man, the rest of it sucks - more expensive, congested, and surf that was nonexistant, screw that! I do think it's funny you consider Tampa and Orlando the boonies.

[Andrew Bohan]

shiiiiit people in san francisco think san jose is in the boonies, and it's fucking connected hahaha

[KA24DESOneThree]

Guns are for red state conspiracy theorists to protect themselves from imaginary threats.

Mother of five beaten in Perris home invasion robbery - PE.com - Daily News Digest (http://blogs.pe.com/news/digest/2008/10/mother-of-five-beaten-in-perri.html)

Man suspected of luring children into alleyways is arrested - Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-predator30-2008oct30,0,7217011.story)

Just some recent problems.

You know what else guns are good for? Exercising Constitutional rights.

Why is it that you're so quick to prohibit rather than punish? You can punish me all you want if I use my firearms in a matter inconsistent with the law, but you absolutely should not prohibit me from owning them.

The idea is ridiculous. Just because we no longer use them to kill game does not make them superfluous.

[cdlong]

so you want 5 year olds to be packing all the time? not to mention, he lured them, meaning he convinced them to follow him of their own free will. and what is a gun going to do for a sleeping woman against 10 men with handguns.

the only point you could be making is that the possibility of the presence of guns could have detered some of the assaliants.

[89dc240]

As someone who is living in a country that HAS done (in effect) a complete ban on firearms (except for hunting rifles, which are still highly regulated... You can get a handgun, but you wouldn't believe how difficult it is and what the laws say about storage etc.), this is very true. Canada has a high break and enter and robbery rate. Why? Because it's almost a certainty here that the home owners (if they happen to be home, or are alerted) are not armed with any firearm. Even IF there is one in the home, it's likely a rifle... locked up in the basement, unloaded and of no help to the occupants at all. It's very true that only criminals have guns when law abiding citizens are forbidden from owning them. Criminals don't care if their gun is illegal... They're already criminals.

I don't know about anyone else, but if I'm willing to possibley commit murder, I don't give a shit if the weapon I use is prohibited... :rolleyes:

Split up red states and blue states into two nations...

Then the reds will just invade... All the blues are unarmed after all. ;)

:keke:

Ahh and ya'd get sued just the same if he didn't die when ya tried to pitchfork him or somethin. Might as well choose a little jail time and no payout to the guy who tries to rob you that can't have sex anymore:tweak:. Or something.

Mr Clark, do you know in fact how they initiated the gun ban in Canada? I'd be glad to have some reinforcement in the registration leads to confiscation argument.



Guns are just cool anyway. There's nothin like tossin a bunch of clay pidgeons up while your buddies shoot and then swith up and blast a few yourself. The best part is getting girls into it. A girl that can use a 12ga is hot in my book. A girl that can hold onto a M11 with a couple of loose fingers and get it to empty 32 rounds in like 2 seconds and walk away with a bigger smile than you ever saw... downright scorching. Shooting is a hobby for millions of people. Grandmothers do it. Seven year olds do it. Moms and dads, brothers and sisters. And it brings people together. Google that shit, lol.

What if your Grandfather brought a gun back from WWII and it was all you had left of him? Would anyone give that up? Not likely. Instant criminal when Obamski does his thing with the U.N. thing.

Now somebody said somethin about Bush pissin everybody off and goin for two terms. To those who say he's dumb, how'd he figure out how to get a second term? He beat out the dems twice so he had to be doin somethin right. And his pissin everybody off was pretty much dictated by 9/11 right? What would you have done differently, in his shoes?

[spngr311]

To those who say he's dumb, how'd he figure out how to get a second term? He beat out the dems twice so he had to be doin somethin right. And his pissin everybody off was pretty much dictated by 9/11 right? What would you have done differently, in his shoes?

Not to bash Bush (I voted for him twice, and would still have done it), but I think Karl Rove had a lot to do with his campaigns.

[89dc240]

the only point you could be making is that the possibility of the presence of guns could have detered some of the assaliants.

Ideally thats what you want. To prevent any confrontation. If the criminal knew you had a gun would they be as quick to rob someone? Require a training class for concealed carry permits if you want(some states do). Thats another matter in itself though.

Of course 5 year olds should not have guns but hunter safety training classes start at 12 years old in PA and thats perfectly fine. Obviously not to just let em rock out in the woods for no reason with no supervision. Responsibility is a huge part of legal gun ownership, as legal gun owners are well aware.

If one woman was surrounded by 10 dudes with guns, you don't think she'd wish she got a couple rounds off and was killed instead of getting repeatedly "taken advantage of"? What woman would want to survive that, over goin out fighting.

I can't understand how non gun people(save for a personal thing that happened to them) can be against them. In fact, many people who are against them, are actually for them. Such as Oprah Winfrey, who is protected by armed body guards.


None of this is to say that we should just sit down and let John McCain run away with our 2nd amendment. At least Palin is a life member of the NRA.

[HalveBlue]

Mr Clark, do you know in fact how they initiated the gun ban in Canada? I'd be glad to have some reinforcement in the registration leads to confiscation argument.

You'll run into problems if you extrapolate that theory. Confiscation and Gun registration are intrinsically linked. Registration wouldn't be necessary if potential confiscation wasn't the ultimate objective. The problem however comes that registration of firearms and the subsequent confiscation thereof are done for two different reasons today. In most developed countries, the strict control of firearms is seen as a public health issue. In other countries, and historically, guns are registered and confiscated primarily to keep political regimes in power. While many may see the former to be easily exploideable agenda to subversively institute the latter, the big difference between the two is that in the first world, guns bans generally supported by the public, where as in other countries they are generally imposed by the governing regime.

Modern, developed countries face little chance of experiencing societal or governmental collapse like what was happening not even 50 years ago.

It should be noted, also, however, that gun bans do not have a distinguishable correlation with dropping gun related crime. Nor do countries with liberal gun laws have an epidemic problem with gun related crime.

South Africa has a near total ban on firearms yet has one of the highest crime, and particularly gun crime rates in the world. Conversely, Israel and Switzerland have private gun ownerships as high or higher than the U.S. yet do not share the same rate of gun crimes.

Although there are legitimate points on both sides of the issue, in the end the issue is more or less about way individual societies view weapons and acceptable behavior as opposed to the actual objects themselves.

I personally am a concealed firearms permit holder. I feel more secure knowing I have the ability to do what I feel will improve my personal safety. Although I should also note that I've never been in a situation where that level of force is necessary. In fact, the number of situations that could have remotely escalated to that level are so few and far between that it's irrelevant. Guess I'm a lucky, peaceable person.



What if your Grandfather brought a gun back from WWII and it was all you had left of him? Would anyone give that up? Not likely. Instant criminal when Obamski does his thing with the U.N. thing.

What?!


Trust me, Obama or not, gun culture will remain alive and well. The cultural attitudes towards guns in America is completely different to what you'd find in places like Europe.


Now somebody said somethin about Bush pissin everybody off and goin for two terms. To those who say he's dumb, how'd he figure out how to get a second term? He beat out the dems twice so he had to be doin somethin right. And his pissin everybody off was pretty much dictated by 9/11 right? What would you have done differently, in his shoes?

Bush barely won two elections.

Only one, if you look at it like a lot of other people do.

Both elections were heavily contested.

As I said in another post, Bush won the first election on a wave of anti-Clintonism and moral conservatism that was born under Newt Gingrich's Republican Congress. This movement largely insured victory for Bush only because it was able to bring the more traditional and fiscal Conservatives under its umbrella. Had the whole and the White Water investigation and the consequent impeachment not happened Gore would have probably won.

The second time around, Bush, again, barely won. This time largely due to the Republican's party successful attempt to rally enough of the American people behind the war cause, by making them feel guilty for questioning the administration's handling of affairs.

President Bush is certainly not dumb. But by no means is he eloquent or successful at explaining and proving his agenda. Definitely not somebody, I would want representing my country, the more powerful country in the world, to the rest of the world.

As far as what I would have done differently 9/11?

Well, I certainly wouldn't have invaded a little country called Iraq...

[kingkilburn]

-Anyone who thinks this country is divided by red and blue is an idiot.

The people might not be devided by red and blue but the electoral college sure as hell is. Until EVERY vote is counted on a county by county basis we will still be a divided nation(or get rid of the two party system).

Cali looks like a blue state but it is nearly 50/50 dem and rep. If the San Juaqin Valley split off of the rest of Cali it would be almost unanimously red.

[Gnnr]

HEY PEOPLE,

Don't forget this thread is supposed to a joke

funnny haha heheh

geesh

[KA24DESOneThree]

Modern, developed countries face little chance of experiencing societal or governmental collapse like what was happening not even 50 years ago.

It should be noted, also, however, that gun bans do not have a distinguishable correlation with dropping gun related crime. Nor do countries with liberal gun laws have an epidemic problem with gun related crime.

South Africa has a near total ban on firearms yet has one of the highest crime, and particularly gun crime rates in the world. Conversely, Israel and Switzerland have private gun ownerships as high or higher than the U.S. yet do not share the same rate of gun crimes.

Although there are legitimate points on both sides of the issue, in the end the issue is more or less about way individual societies view weapons and acceptable behavior as opposed to the actual objects themselves.

I personally am a concealed firearms permit holder. I feel more secure knowing I have the ability to do what I feel will improve my personal safety. Although I should also note that I've never been in a situation where that level of force is necessary. In fact, the number of situations that could have remotely escalated to that level are so few and far between that it's irrelevant. Guess I'm a lucky, peaceable person.

Great post.

I don't carry concealed because I can't get a CCW here in SD county, but I have carried openly before (Condition Four only, though, and with loaded mags on the other hip), and I usually carry my Sig in a locked case on days I don't have to go to school. The locked case exempts me from concealment laws and provides Fourth Amendment protection to my Second.

Firearms are equalizers. They provide the means for an 85-year-old woman with arthritis to fight back against a 25-year-old who, when not robbing or stealing, likes to lift weights and has a one and a half foot height advantage.

By the way, I live in a blue state, and most blue states have higher crime than red states. Blue states also tend to have more restrictive gun laws but high gun crime.

[Jordn]

I find it interesting sitting on the fence listening to both sides of the US 'Gun' discussion. As an outsider, living in a country with very tight gun control laws as well, it seems to me that gun ownership is seen as a 'right' in the US rather than a privilege,but I'm not sure this is a healthy way to look at it. MAYBE guns have their place in your society, I'm certainly not educated on the subject enough to provide a definative answer but just looking at a comparision between the US with relaxed gun laws and the UK with strict gun laws I've wored out that if the USA and the UK had the same population size, the USA would have 34 times the number of shooting homicides that the UK has. Make of that what you will.

In our society over here I've never felt the need to own a gun and never been in a situation whereby I thought to myself 'I really wish I had a gun right now'.

Please don't take this as a 'we're better than you' post but just a view from someone removed from the situation.

[aNskY]

HEY PEOPLE,

Don't forget this thread is supposed to a joke

funnny haha heheh

geesh


the liberal whack-job who actually wrote what the OP posted wasn't joking, im sure.

[89dc240]

I find it interesting sitting on the fence listening to both sides of the US 'Gun' discussion. As an outsider, living in a country with very tight gun control laws as well, it seems to me that gun ownership is seen as a 'right' in the US rather than a privilege,but I'm not sure this is a healthy way to look at it. MAYBE guns have their place in your society, I'm certainly not educated on the subject enough to provide a definative answer but just looking at a comparision between the US with relaxed gun laws and the UK with strict gun laws I've wored out that if the USA and the UK had the same population size, the USA would have 34 times the number of shooting homicides that the UK has. Make of that what you will.

In our society over here I've never felt the need to own a gun and never been in a situation whereby I thought to myself 'I really wish I had a gun right now'.

Please don't take this as a 'we're better than you' post but just a view from someone removed from the situation.

Well, its a right, but you have to have not screwed anything major up in your past. So it's also a privilege. Anything from arson to aggravated assault, to too many dui's in 5 years can disqualify you from owning, or in some cases purchasing firearms.


One more for the "pro" list.

Natural disaster. There's always good and evil, so the good do need to be able to protect themselves from the bad. The movie Hard Rain is a perfect example. So was Hurricane Katrina.

One thing with the numbers in your little experiment, one factor to calculate in might be the number of gun related murders in a more restricted area vs. an area with relaxed laws, within the U.S.

Speaking of the UK, I heard a UK newspaper printed that Obama's Aunt is living in a crappy slum in Boston, Mass. Isn't it just awesome that we get to hear about stuff like this not from our own media, but from an outlet several thousand miles away.

Spread the wealth around a little bit Obama. Just not your own. I heard he called himself, "my(his) brother's keeper, and my sister's keeper". what about your Aunt dude. She's family and you got a huge house, put her in the back somewhere and make her clean the dishes or something. Let her live in a slum in Boston? WTF you piece of s**t. Send off Rashid Kaliti at his going away party though you dick. A millionaire, talking about spreading the wealth around a little can't put his aunt up in his house? And she has reportedly said that she's not allowed to talk about him until after the election.


Whatever, if the people want him, they will get what they deserve.

[Gnnr]

the liberal whack-job who actually wrote what the OP posted wasn't joking, im sure.

Then don't do him the favor of taking it seriously. ;)

[imotion s14]

Living in the woods and using guns to obtain food for the family is totally ok in my book. Having a house full of assault rifles in the middle of suburbia "to protect yourself" is retarded. I can even justify and understand owning one handgun. Why anyone would need anything more than that is beyond my understanding.

Kind of hard to have a house full of assault rifles when they're pretty hard and expensive to legally obtain under the National Firearms Act of 1934. But don't let the facts get in the way of sensationalism.

However, the amount of lives saved by legal guns is still an insignificant fraction when you compare it to the number of deaths caused by legal guns every year, no matter how you try to spin it.So someone has to be killed or a gun has to be fired in order for you to consider a life was saved? The majority of self-defense usage happens without a shot fired. Most people who get into that situation don't even report the incidents to law enforcement and they don't keep statistics on attempted self-defense anyway.

[KA24DESOneThree]

As an outsider, living in a country with very tight gun control laws as well, it seems to me that gun ownership is seen as a 'right' in the US rather than a privilege,but I'm not sure this is a healthy way to look at it.

The first ten Amendments to our Constitution are known as the Bill of Rights.

The Second Amendment reads: "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Driving is a privilege, gun ownership is a right. It's extremely healthy to exercise one's rights.

[89dc240]

The first ten Amendments to our Constitution are known as the Bill of Rights.

The Second Amendment reads: "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Driving is a privilege, gun ownership is a right. It's extremely healthy to exercise one's rights.

Unfortunately, Barack doesn't believe the supreme court was radical enough during the civil rights movement to break free of the constraints of the constitution. That's why he'll appoint judges with a very left leaning track record, who have no problem legislating from the bench based on their own beliefs.

4 days to go.

[Jordn]

The first ten Amendments to our Constitution are known as the Bill of Rights.

The Second Amendment reads: "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Driving is a privilege, gun ownership is a right. It's extremely healthy to exercise one's rights.

Like I said, I'm not sure thats a healthy viewpoint. Maybe if it was seen as a privilege people would treat them in a different way.

Me and a group of friends were discussing this the other day and an interesting point that was raised was why do people need Automatic and Semi-Auto weapons 'for protection'. Sure I can see why you might feel secure by owning a handgun, be it for firing warning shots or just the 'presence' of a gun being a deterrent but Semi/Auto weapons? Seems over-kill for protection/self defense.

I suppose it does help having an Automatic weapon with a big clip when it comes to mowing down classrooms full of students though?

Here in the UK we have almost gone TOO FAR the opposite direction. Did you know that if someone breaks into your house in the night and you seriously hurt/shoot them you can be sued in the UK? Thats right, someone on YOUR property with the intention of stealing YOUR belongings can SUE YOU if you use unjust/excessive force. Thats bullshit. A famous case -

Life for farmer who shot burglar | UK news | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/apr/20/tonymartin.ukcrime3)

[imotion s14]

Like I said, I'm not sure thats a healthy viewpoint. Maybe if it was seen as a privilege people would treat them in a different way.

Did the Dunblane shooter treat it differently in the UK?

Me and a group of friends were discussing this the other day and an interesting point that was raised was why do people need Automatic and Semi-Auto weapons 'for protection'.Well for one, it's hard to obtain "automatic" weapons.

Sure I can see why you might feel secure by owning a handgun, be it for firing warning shots or just the 'presence' of a gun being a deterrent but Semi/Auto weapons? Seems over-kill for protection/self defense.

Handguns are "semi-automatic".

I suppose it does help having an Automatic weapon with a big clip when it comes to mowing down classrooms full of students though?the VT shooter killled 32 people with two handguns. Likewise these types of shooters have one thing in common. The shooters were all calm, meticulously shooting at their target one at a time.

Here in the UK we have almost gone TOO FAR the opposite direction. Did you know that if someone breaks into your house in the night and you seriously hurt/shoot them you can be sued in the UK? Thats right, someone on YOUR property with the intention of stealing YOUR belongings can SUE YOU if you use unjust/excessive force. Thats bullshit. A famous case -

Life for farmer who shot burglar | UK news | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/apr/20/tonymartin.ukcrime3)I've heard of the Tony Martin incident.

[murda-c]

Maybe farmers shouldn't shoot kids who are running away?

just sayin'

[imotion s14]

Maybe farmers shouldn't shoot kids who are running away?

just sayin'

Or maybe they shouldn't be breaking into people's house who have guns?

just sayin'

[KA24DESOneThree]

Like I said, I'm not sure thats a healthy viewpoint. Maybe if it was seen as a privilege people would treat them in a different way.

Me and a group of friends were discussing this the other day and an interesting point that was raised was why do people need Automatic and Semi-Auto weapons 'for protection'. Sure I can see why you might feel secure by owning a handgun, be it for firing warning shots or just the 'presence' of a gun being a deterrent but Semi/Auto weapons? Seems over-kill for protection/self defense.

I suppose it does help having an Automatic weapon with a big clip when it comes to mowing down classrooms full of students though?

How, exactly, am I supposed to treat a right, one we were given on December 15, 1791, as a privilege? It may not be a "healthy viewpoint" in your eyes, but it's a right given to us by our Founders. If it was simply a privilege to own a firearm, it wouldn't be in our Bill of Rights, now would it?

You anti-gun Brits have been brainwashed by your media and government into thinking that guns are overly deadly objects of murder and mayhem. If you leave a loaded gun on a table in a locked room where no one can get it, it won't fire a single round in one year or in a thousand years. It takes a person to pull the trigger.

Why not limit the police to revolvers? After all, semi-automatics and automatics are overkill. :goyou:

You cannot ban something simply because evil people will use it for nefarious purposes. The judicial system's point is punitive, not prohibitive. To prohibit the whole citizenry from ownership of weapons or parts for weapons is to imply the citizenry is not trustworthy and they are to be kept an eye on.

Automatic weapons are just plain fun. We're (I'm using the term loosely, as here in Kalifornia I am not) allowed to have them because we pay the tax and undergo the check to buy one. NFA-registered automatic weapons have been used in exactly two murders in the past 74 years, one of which was committed by a police officer.

Because you're completely ridiculous, let me quote some prices for automatic weapons:
HK MP5K $18,999.99
HK 33: $16,999.90
Reising Model 50: $6,499.99
Colt M16: $10,999.99
Vector Arms Mini Uzi: $10,499.99
Cobray M11A1: $3,999.99
HK MP5: $18,499.99

How many mass murderers do you know willing to fill out an application and fork out at least $3,999.99 for a full-auto piece-of-garbage Cobray .380?

Please see GunCite - Gun Control: Machine Guns (http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html) for more information about how ridiculously uninformed nearly everyone is on full-auto weapons.

Also, are mass killings with guns the most prevalent mass killings? NO. The most prevalent mass killings are arson.

[Naughty240]

Im also down for Ireland. Im sure my long lost family in Cork county would be happy to adopt me lol.

[Matej]

You cannot ban something simply because evil people will use it for nefarious purposes.
Guns are tools made solely for one nefarious purpose, to kill.

Haha it's funny how gun people always get so defensive. I don't care, play with your guns, hopefully you'll get lucky and someone will try to rob your house so you get a chance to prove how awesome it is own guns.

[ESmorz]

Guns are tools made solely for one nefarious purpose, to kill.

Haha it's funny how gun people always get so defensive. I don't care, play with your guns, hopefully you'll get lucky and someone will try to rub your house so you get a chance to prove how awesome it is own guns.


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[Matej]

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[KA24DESOneThree]

Guns are tools made solely for one nefarious purpose, to kill.

Haha it's funny how gun people always get so defensive. I don't care, play with your guns, hopefully you'll get lucky and someone will try to rob your house so you get a chance to prove how awesome it is own guns.

To defend. To protect. To provide. To equalize.

If it is necessary to kill while defending, protecting, providing or equalizing, then yes, guns are made to kill.

"Gun people" have learned to be defensive, just as "speech people" and "privacy people" have.

[imotion s14]

Guns are tools made solely for one nefarious purpose, to kill.

Then why do the police carry them?

Haha it's funny how gun people always get so defensive. I don't care, play with your guns, hopefully you'll get lucky and someone will try to rob your house so you get a chance to prove how awesome it is own guns.

I don't own any firearms. Of course you don't care. My stance on the right to bear arms is influenced directly from the personal experience of genocide experienced by my family at the hands of the government.

But continue to revel in your own ignorance you stupid fuck.

[ESmorz]

Then why do the police carry them?

To kill people if need be...

[Matej]

I don't own any firearms. Of course you don't care. My stance on the right to bear arms is influenced directly from the personal experience of genocide experienced by my family at the hands of the government.

But continue to revel in your own ignorance you stupid fuck.
Just try to stand up to the government with guns.

There will be two possible outcomes:
A. You get killed, which is the more likely one.
B. You go to prison, and die in there.

If it ever comes down to this big showdown of government vs. the people that everyone is arming themselves for, you can be sure that the government will outlaw and attempt to confiscate all weapons and ammunition long before anyone even knows about it.
























































































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[Agamemnon]

Guns are tools made solely for one nefarious purpose, to kill.
That's like saying putting a Blitz NurSpec exhaust on your car is for illegal street racing.

[Matej]

That's like saying putting a Blitz NurSpec exhaust on your car is for illegal street racing.
Look at the big picture.

Cars are made to transport people.

Guns are made to shoot people.

Of course they can be used for other things, but generally the above are their main purpose.

Get it?




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[Agamemnon]

Just try to stand up to the government with guns.

There will be two possible outcomes:
A. You get killed, which is the more likely one.
B. You go to prison, and die in there.

If it ever comes down to this big showdown of government vs. the people that everyone is arming themselves for, you can be sure that the government will outlaw and attempt to confiscate all weapons and ammunition long before anyone even knows about it.
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." -Thomas Jefferson

[murda-c]

But what if i'm doing legal killing?

I do that all the time.

[Agamemnon]

Cars are made to transport people.

Guns are made to shoot people.

Yes there are other uses for them, but those are their main purpose.

Get it?
Correct. But you're making an unfair ussumption towards people. Just becuase you own a gun, doesn't mean you are going to kill someone. Just like modding your car doesn't mean you street race.

Get it?

[Agamemnon]

But continue to revel in your own ignorance you stupid fuck.
Whoa...Cool down tiger! Lets keep this conversation healthy huh.

[Matej]

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." -Thomas Jefferson
You cannot compare the founding fathers to the people who are currently in charge.


Correct. But you're making an unfair ussumption towards people. Just becuase you own a gun, doesn't mean you are going to kill someone. Just like modding your car doesn't mean you street race.

Get it?
Yes, but in the end the fatality rate resulting from modding your car or even illegal street racing is nowhere near that of guns.

[Agamemnon]

You cannot compare the founding fathers to the people who are currently in charge.So we are supposed to turn our backs and forget about the founding principles that made this the best nation in history because times change?



Yes, but in the end the fatality rate resulting from illegal street racing is nowhere near that of guns.But thats not what i'm arguing about. My argument is that you stated guns kill no matter what. This just isn't true!

[ESmorz]

But thats not what i'm arguing about. My argument is that you stated guns kill no matter what. This just isn't true!

No, that's what you are saying. He simply stated the fact that guns were invented and are still produced to this day to end lives. Whether it be human or animal... alien.

:drama:

[Matej]

So we are supposed to turn our backs and forget about the founding principles that made this the best nation in history because times change?

But thats not what i'm arguing about. My argument is that you stated guns kill no matter what. This just isn't true!
No we're not supposed to turn our backs, but it seems that the government has been turning their backs to us. The founding fathers truly and honestly did what was in the best intentions for the people, not only for the government.

And my argument against guns is that they do kill. Of course not all of them, but a gun is more likely to be used to kill intentionally or accidentally than a Blitz Nur Spec.

By the way I'm not calling for guns to be completely outlawed, although they could be for all I care. People own guns in other countries and it doesn't seem to be a problem there. I don't understand why Americans love guns so much more than people elsewhere do. Perhaps because it's just way too easy to own a gun in America, and pretty much any idiot or someone with bad intentions can get a gun. Guns don't have to be outlawed, but I think it should definitely be a lot more difficult to obtain them.

What's ironic is that it's more difficult to run a Blitz Nur Spec on your car legally than it is to own a gun.

[spngr311]

What's messed up is that there are restrictions on both.

[Agamemnon]

What's ironic is that it's more difficult to run a Blitz Nur Spec on your car legally than it is to own a gun.

It depends where you are.

When I lived in Nevada, it took longer to install the exhaust system than to purchase a gun.

[89dc240]

Getting a gun LEGALLY is not that easy. There are probably 75 violations on the list of things barring you from gun ownership in Pennsylvania. There is a federal background check at every gunshow, and gun store firearms purchase.
All handguns here, must be transferred in a gun store with a background check. Straw purchasers can be nailed down because PA is violating our rights by keeping handgun sale records. Though it obviously has a good effect for this type of criminal(the clean guy who buys guns for dirty guys) and they come up with new shit everyday. Like one gun a month laws or reporting stolen gun laws,,, and its all just one more step towards a greater goaL of confiscation. Every infringement, if you will.

Now, PA has one of the most respectable concealed carry permitting systems in the nation, whereas, if you can buy a firearm legally, you cannot be denied a carry permit. I can't see that lasting much longer though so anyone in PA or who gets permits for other states, get it while its hot.

I gotta take the browns to the superbowl.

[Jordn]

How, exactly, am I supposed to treat a right, one we were given on December 15, 1791, as a privilege? It may not be a "healthy viewpoint" in your eyes, but it's a right given to us by our Founders. If it was simply a privilege to own a firearm, it wouldn't be in our Bill of Rights, now would it?

A little outdated then isn't it? Times have moved on a hell of a lot since then. People were different back then, attitudes were different and guns were different.

[98s14inaz]

Just try to stand up to the government with guns.

There will be two possible outcomes:
A. You get killed, which is the more likely one.
B. You go to prison, and die in there.

If it ever comes down to this big showdown of government vs. the people that everyone is arming themselves for, you can be sure that the government will outlaw and attempt to confiscate all weapons and ammunition long before anyone even knows about it.

It's about numbers. The general public out numbers the gov't and officials. They (whoever, powers that be) can't kill/control us all. Look how silly Arabs are making the most powerful military in the world look. All of our superior tech and we still can't get them in their caves, we still get killed with roadside bombs, we still get sniped at by 45 year old soviet rifles, we still get shot with rpg's. It'll never end.

I own a gun, NOT because I hope to use it to kill another human, but because some day I will have to defend myself/family/you against an enemy...foreign or domestic. Just in case.

[Grendel]

Just try to stand up to the government with guns.

There will be two possible outcomes:
A. You get killed, which is the more likely one.
B. You go to prison, and die in there.

If it ever comes down to this big showdown of government vs. the people that everyone is arming themselves for, you can be sure that the government will outlaw and attempt to confiscate all weapons and ammunition long before anyone even knows about it.


Thats the truth... and it wouldn't even be the army that would kill them, it would be one hellfire dropped through their window from a UAV they never saw.


As long as retards like this guy have weapons people will keep trying to ban them:
Tragic Mistake in Halloween Shooting? (http://news.aol.com/article/boy-killed-while-trick-or-treating/234790)

[KA24DESOneThree]

A little outdated then isn't it? Times have moved on a hell of a lot since then. People were different back then, attitudes were different and guns were different.

Okay, you're a British brick wall.

Moving on.

Gun deaths are a societal problem, not a gun problem. Guns will never be the root problem, people always will be. Until you can teach people to be respectful of each other, gun deaths in the United States and around the world will continue.

No offense to any naive liberals, but people are violent. If you want to end murder and killing, make the human race extinct. Otherwise, people will find newer and more horrific ways to kill people.

Let me keep my guns to protect myself. You have no right to remove my protective devices, and, frankly, if you do I will arm myself with weapons acquired through illegal means because my freedom matters more than your naivete.

[Jordn]

To a point your right, we have knife-crime here in the UK, because gun-crime is relatively low.

However making guns [legal or not] so abundant and embedded in society doesn't HELP the fact that yes, humans will kill and murder.

Its a bit like saying WMDs don't kill people, people kill people. So why crack down on WMDs? Why shouldn't it be your right to keep your own WMDs? Just incase your own blinding paranoia turns out to be correct and the CIA/Feds/Aliens are really gonna getcha one day. Maybe Sadam just had that shit as a protective device too?

[mRclARK1]

No, that's what you are saying. He simply stated the fact that guns were invented and are still produced to this day to end lives. Whether it be human or animal... alien.

:drama:

Guns are not as simple as people in this thread are believing them to be. Yes, all guns can be used to kill. The purpose for which the gun is intended however depends on the context under which the gun is used. For example, a hunter out with a hunting rifle is intent upon killing an animal. As long as it is done legally, the guns primary purpose is to kill and generally society accepts this (PETA fucktards aside... Don't get me wrong I'm not for animal cruelty but they're just insane). It was even necessary to survival in history. (and still is some places today)

That makes the guns a TOOL. Not a weapon. Anything can be used as a weapon however, that's what a lot of gun control fans forget. I can easily kill you with a crowbar, a sledge hammer, bare hands etc. A gun may make it easier, but in the end if someone WANTS to kill someone... They will, or they'll be killed or incapacitated themselves by their target (kill or be killed). But remember, the KILLER who is the illegal aggressor (one without just cause) won't care if they use an illegal tool, such as a gun, to commit a murder. Saying they would care is like saying someone who is attempting to evade the police in a getaway car would obey the traffic laws and stop for the red light.

Now for instance when a police officer draws their gun, the intended purpose is not to kill, it's the THREAT of force. The gun is intended to make a threat (which can be backed up if absolutely necessary) not to kill the suspect. Hence "Stop or I'll shoot" etc... It's the threat that the gun implies that is being counted on, and the threat is not an idle one.

Really the only place in which a gun is justly used an intended as strictly a thing to kill is in a military engagement or tactical police situations. A harsh cold truth of the world is... Sometimes it's just necessary to kill. It should be the last resort, but sometimes people push things that far. :-/

[EDacIouSX]

The only thing red states were good for was slaves and presidents who like dome.


Can't forget a guy called Martin Luther King Junior. He was a sob red state bastard too. That jerk, fighting for black rights. Another god damn republican.

[KA24DESOneThree]

The Republicans were fighting for black rights, the Democrats were attempting to block them.

He wasn't that great a guy, MLK Jr. We rally behind him because he fought for equal rights, but had questionable ethics.

Blinding paranoia? There he goes with his media-influenced bias again.

[98s14inaz]

To a point your right, we have knife-crime here in the UK, because gun-crime is relatively low.

However making guns [legal or not] so abundant and embedded in society doesn't HELP the fact that yes, humans will kill and murder.

Its a bit like saying WMDs don't kill people, people kill people. So why crack down on WMDs? Why shouldn't it be your right to keep your own WMDs? Just incase your own blinding paranoia turns out to be correct and the CIA/Feds/Aliens are really gonna getcha one day. Maybe Sadam just had that shit as a protective device too?

WMD's. Ok, I'll roll with that argument. We don't want WMD's banned. We only want certain people and countries to NOT have them. The major players in the game have them so the others won't be stupid enough to try to use them on us. Certain people should not have guns. Do not try to take mine away because some idiot has no respect for law abiding citizens.

[murda-c]

WMD's. Ok, I'll roll with that argument. We don't want WMD's banned. We only want certain people and countries to NOT have them. The major players in the game have them so the others won't be stupid enough to try to use them on us.


So we take guns away from the unstable populace and let the cops and military have them?

lol jk my gun is fun i don't wanna lose it.

[98s14inaz]

So we take guns away from the unstable populace and let the cops and military have them?



No just the idiots lol You should take a test or get some sort of permit.

[murda-c]

No just the idiots lol You should take a test or get some sort of permit.


Nope, you can't take the guns away because that's a right.

sorry idiots have to get guns too.

[supportTHEezln]

Nope, you can't take the guns away because that's a right.

sorry idiots have to get guns too.

Maybe we'll get lucky and they just use them on each other.

[cdlong]

As long as retards like this guy have weapons people will keep trying to ban them:
Tragic Mistake in Halloween Shooting? (http://news.aol.com/article/boy-killed-while-trick-or-treating/234790)

the guy is an ex con, and apparently a nut job. him having a gun was probably illegal, and owning that gun is probably illegal (i'm not sure of all the specifics of gun laws in SC).

one last time... laws don't keep guns out of the hands of law breakers.

[SexPanda]

http://miasmaticreview.mu.nu/mt-static/exhaust%20burger.jpg

I dont get it...

[aa87]

Thats the truth... and it wouldn't even be the army that would kill them, it would be one hellfire dropped through their window from a UAV they never saw.


As long as retards like this guy have weapons people will keep trying to ban them:
Tragic Mistake in Halloween Shooting? (http://news.aol.com/article/boy-killed-while-trick-or-treating/234790)

Who honestly needs assault rifles?!? Anybody else read the article!?? Seriously.

[KA24DESOneThree]

It wasn't an assault rifle.

AK47 does not equal an assault rifle. Stop being ignorant sheeple.

[inertiaticism]

You want to see steam come out of people's ears?
Tell them that you are a democrat who likes guns.
Responsible gun owners are a great thing, but there are just WAY too many really stupid people with firearms.
I'm not a fan of gun control but am all in favor of gun owner control, people should have to show high proficiency with a weapon and safety practices, but be able to own a wider range of arms than presently possible.

[Andrew Bohan]

is a democrat who likes guns like cop who likes performance cars? or like a big business that likes unions?


"guns don't kill people, republicans do"

[cdlong]

I'm not a fan of gun control but am all in favor of gun owner control, people should have to show high proficiency with a weapon and safety practices, but be able to own a wider range of arms than presently possible.

so you're saying gun control means using two hands?

[HalveBlue]

It wasn't an assault rifle.

AK47 does not equal an assault rifle. Stop being ignorant sheeple.

Dude, are you crazy?

An AK 47 is, like, the definition of an assault rifle.

Or what would you classify it as?

[raz0rbladez909]

Dude, are you crazy?

An AK 47 is, like, the definition of an assault rifle.

Or what would you classify it as?

You would think that any rifle used to assault someone would be considered an assault rifle. I know by CA law a rifle that has a detachable magazine, pistol grip, flash hider/suppressor, and collapsible stock is considered an assault weapon, and what makes the weapon an assault weapon is "EVIL FEATURES" ooooh big and scary right. the fact of the matter is whether or not it was an "assault rifle" or not if someone is going to be stupid with a weapon they will regardless of type. Hell you can kill someone with a kitchen utensil why the fuck does it matter what "type" of weapon they use, if they have the drive they will find the means.

[Andrew Bohan]

that is true in a lot of cases

but sometimes people are too chickenshit to kill someone up close

i doubt half the people who got killed in drivebys would have gotten killed if the killers had to use knives

[SexPanda]

that is true in a lot of cases

but sometimes people are too chickenshit to kill someone up close

i doubt half the people who got killed in drivebys would have gotten killed if the killers had to use knives

Driveby stabbings involve driving real slow and close. You might screw up your car on the sidewalk...

[!Zar!]

So I guess RJF is slitting his wrists right now.

[Brian]

Why did my "political" threads get closed?

[CrimsonRockett]

Because.

That's why.

:lockd:

Edit: To be a little clearer...

Your "political" threads were closed because they contained politics.

Hence the reason why this thread is closed.

Same reason why the Hologram thread was closed.