View Full Version : S14 with a rotary.
SR2Zero
07-05-2008, 03:28 PM
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=767031
Found it interesting. May be a repost... I didn't see it though.
luisgonz
07-05-2008, 03:35 PM
Just wow, Thing looks good in there. Must say need a video and then I'll :wackit:
that deserve's a WOW.
looks good
SR2Zero
07-05-2008, 03:38 PM
Yeah, I thought it was really interesting. I don't remember what on God's green earth i was googling.... Lost all my attention to it haha.
Somnambulist
07-05-2008, 03:38 PM
Yeah I saw that thing in person at the Street Life Tour two weeks ago.
Cool I guess..
I definitely wouldn't do it. But to each his own..
arkive43
07-05-2008, 03:42 PM
LOOKS GOOD BUT....(I made 400whp and 280tq.) WAKES ME WONDER WHY, BESIDES THE COOL FACTOR.
HE HAD AND SR IN THERE BEFORE, AND IM SURE IT MADE MOAR TORQUE THAN THAT.
fliprayzin240sx
07-05-2008, 04:15 PM
LOOKS GOOD BUT....(I made 400whp and 280tq.) WAKES ME WONDER WHY, BESIDES THE COOL FACTOR.
HE HAD AND SR IN THERE BEFORE, AND IM SURE IT MADE MOAR TORQUE THAN THAT.
Exactly the first thing that popped in my head...400whp and 280 ft/lbs is kinda cake walk for SRs. Other than the cool factor and making the car a bit more balanced due to the lighter nose, I dont see any advantage over an SR.
mRclARK1
07-05-2008, 04:18 PM
I thought up this idea once when I was toying with swapping out my SR for something new once. Then realized it was basically useless besides the "oh... cool" factor.
Still, nothing wrong with being original
roboticnissan
07-05-2008, 04:54 PM
this is a prime example of how nissan kids are way cooler and more intelligent than gay homo honda f###!!!!were doing much better things!!!!plus one for a dope swap
renegade_ewok
07-05-2008, 05:12 PM
How come only 400whp? That thing has dry sump and a big ass turbo... You should be able to rev the shit out of that rotary especially with a dry sump setup to spool that thing. Is there a post with more information on it like a dyno graph or how much boost they are running?
That is a straight up awesome swap and it was done well. That Precision 61 shouldn't be short at 400whp as the 67s go to like 700whp on supras.... I know different league, but the airflow should still be there.
rican_nick
07-05-2008, 05:13 PM
Nice. Cool swap
burnsauto
07-05-2008, 05:19 PM
i would've thought he'd had more space in the engine bay, not a huge fan of the lack of a rad. support
S14DB
07-05-2008, 05:25 PM
this is a prime example of how nissan kids are way cooler and more intelligent than gay homo honda f###!!!!were doing much better things!!!!plus one for a dope swap
Pink 2 weeks to think about not using those terms around here.
luisgonz
07-05-2008, 05:32 PM
this is a prime example of how nissan kids are way cooler and more intelligent than gay homo honda f###!!!!were doing much better things!!!!plus one for a dope swap
I think we seen alot of great linked threads to hondatech, Alot of great people come from alot of different forums, Let it be honda/nissan/ford/Mercedes/Bwm.
But like stated before. Think before you post.
ThatGuy
07-05-2008, 05:38 PM
I suppose if you really want to make a Nissan less reliable, this is one way to go about it. :keke:
Not really my thing, but hey, if they like it, then good for them.
CursedGTR
07-05-2008, 05:40 PM
I am actually considering a 3 rotor in the S15 when I blow up the RB26. Of course I would be looking at the 1100-1200 HP range on a set up like that. Rotaries are cool motors that really don't get a fair shake some times. Can't say that the idea is original but it never loses cool factor when you just up and do it.
How come only 400whp? That thing has dry sump and a big ass turbo... You should be able to rev the shit out of that rotary especially with a dry sump setup to spool that thing. Is there a post with more information on it like a dyno graph or how much boost they are running?
That is a straight up awesome swap and it was done well. That Precision 61 shouldn't be short at 400whp as the 67s go to like 700whp on supras.... I know different league, but the airflow should still be there.
exactly what i was thinking.. he is ported, however that street port could be really mild. Dont see a ignition box.. That could be a variable. But there is alot of possible variables to why his torque is so low.. And i didnt see a dyno graph or any more info. Potentially could be a sick ass setup.
13b is pretty sick, Id rather go rotary than piston but o wells (oil would kill me in the long run)
If it was a 20b, I would of been amazed for a week straight.
I suppose if you really want to make a Nissan less reliable, this is one way to go about it. :keke:
Not really my thing, but hey, if they like it, then good for them.
haha.. so true.. I would never DD a rotory.. but never hesitated to DD any nissan.. From the z32, s14, b13, d21,etc.. very reliable..
roddy
07-05-2008, 05:46 PM
damn i didn't know that was possible, looks sick so far
onehundredoctane
07-05-2008, 05:50 PM
I guess now the alternator is easier to replace if it goes out?
not worth the time or money to just be "that different"
renegade_ewok
07-05-2008, 06:02 PM
If it was a shop that did it chances are they had a blown 13B (common :rolleyes: ) and a bare shell lying around (not too hard to come by) and thought why not? Rebuild and swap...
sldbyuramg
07-05-2008, 06:08 PM
great for originality...but swaps are meant for 2 things... more power (or potentially more) and better reliability... and with that try to be as original as possible... my opinion is that they lost a huge part of that equation and thats reliability
definitely original and sweet looking... just a pain in the ass to maintain...
burnsauto
07-05-2008, 06:11 PM
I am actually considering a 3 rotor in the S15 when I blow up the RB26. Of course I would be looking at the 1100-1200 HP range on a set up like that. Rotaries are cool motors that really don't get a fair shake some times. Can't say that the idea is original but it never loses cool factor when you just up and do it.
please... don't ever talk of blowing that rb. I will cry.:wtc: :wtc: :wtc:
I am actually considering a 3 rotor in the S15 when I blow up the RB26.
DO IT!
mos def a dope ass build a tri rotor in a s15!
sldbyuramg
07-05-2008, 06:13 PM
How come only 400whp? That thing has dry sump and a big ass turbo... You should be able to rev the shit out of that rotary especially with a dry sump setup to spool that thing. Is there a post with more information on it like a dyno graph or how much boost they are running?
That is a straight up awesome swap and it was done well. That Precision 61 shouldn't be short at 400whp as the 67s go to like 700whp on supras.... I know different league, but the airflow should still be there.
didnt say what kinda fuel he was running... alot of supras, not all, that have 700whp on the dyno, run about 500whp as a DD. they get the 700 when they fill up the old race gas.
91 is dirty and increased chance of detonation
s14kouki44
07-05-2008, 08:08 PM
someones gonna need to keep a better watch on their oil level:keke:
Z33dori
07-05-2008, 11:19 PM
I've seen that car in person, and the car is uber clean, swap uber clean. Driver is still learning the car, had some trouble kicking it out at the last event here.
but it sounds amazing...
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j104/Zilvia13/street%20life%20tour%206-22/29.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j104/Zilvia13/street%20life%20tour%206-22/29.jpg
Slammed180
07-05-2008, 11:30 PM
I am actually considering a 3 rotor in the S15 when I blow up the RB26.
Jesus, I'd fear for my life if you ever blew that beast of a motor up.
N/A rotories are reliable, but turbo's seem to be cyanide for them.
a 20b would be crazy as hell in a S-chassis though!
Z33dori
07-05-2008, 11:39 PM
20b is crazy in anything....
id kill for 3 rotor go-kart... so sick
ESmorz
07-05-2008, 11:42 PM
http://www.petsfunky.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/funny-pictures-yeah-i-m-useless-99c6602ac8.jpg
LS240
07-05-2008, 11:51 PM
Exactly the first thing that popped in my head...400whp and 280 ft/lbs is kinda cake walk for SRs. Other than the cool factor and making the car a bit more balanced due to the lighter nose, I dont see any advantage over an SR.
It's probably not any lighter. I don't know the weight of a 13B off the top of my head, so I'll just use what I know. LS1 swaps in RX7s only add around 70-80lbs, and an LS1 weighs 496lbs. But SR20s weigh around 330lbs, therefore, according to this simple, and admittedly non-scientific calculation, the SR20 should actually be lighter than the 13B.
I suppose the swap is pretty cool, but just kinda pointless, in my opinion. Rotaries don't last long with any power and they make fuck all for torque, and really aren't that light either, so I just have to wonder why.
Somnambulist
07-05-2008, 11:52 PM
20b is crazy in anything....
id kill for 3 rotor go-kart... so sick
Yeah and it would probably kill you.
Haha. That would be outta control. :ughd:
norcal_black240
07-05-2008, 11:58 PM
Sick swap, I like rotary's though so Imo its cool. Props to whoever did it.
deolio
07-06-2008, 12:06 AM
It's probably not any lighter. I don't know the weight of a 13B off the top of my head, so I'll just use what I know. LS1 swaps in RX7s only add around 70-80lbs, and an LS1 weighs 496lbs. But SR20s weigh around 330lbs, therefore, according to this simple, and admittedly non-scientific calculation, the SR20 should actually be lighter than the 13B.
i think he just meant he could mount it further behind the front wheels, making the weight distribution more balanced.
the world has gone swap-crazy. cool to see something different, but i'm partial to keeping the swaps within the company... unless it's an lsx
JayDee M Rolly
07-06-2008, 12:26 AM
n/a rotaries are sick.
allntrlundrgrnd
07-06-2008, 12:34 AM
I made 400whp and 280tq.
that.... is lame
kognition
07-06-2008, 12:50 AM
It is definitely different. Definitely a bit lighter.
CursedGTR
07-06-2008, 01:07 AM
please... don't ever talk of blowing that rb. I will cry.:wtc: :wtc: :wtc:
Me too dude, me too. BUT when one thing blows up you get the excuse to build something else.
an_orange_s2k
07-06-2008, 02:05 AM
i love rotary engines but i this is kinda ehh...keep a rotary in the rx-7's and keep the SR's in the silvia's
I10cruiser
07-06-2008, 02:15 AM
hah damn 400hp and only 280tq . .like shelby said torque wins races heheh jk
Leetheslacker
07-06-2008, 03:11 AM
thats peter, a local guy.
he used to have an sr a few years back.
cool dude. crazy swap.
its really weird seeing s chassis and hearing rotary.
like how seeing a fd and hearing ls1 is odd.
ill see if i cant dig up the vid from the local event with him in it.
DRIFT-ELITE
07-06-2008, 03:18 AM
that thing is wicked...i wanted to drop a tii into my corolla when i had it but never got around to doing it, but into a s14....thats tight
drift into a curb
07-06-2008, 03:19 AM
haha.. so true.. I would never DD a turborotory.. but never hesitated to DD any nissan.. From the z32, s14, b13, d21,etc.. very reliable..
that makes more sense. na rotaries last forever.
xplicit240
07-06-2008, 03:34 AM
props for originality i guess. its been done into a 86 before. but purpose? not to clear on the rotary in a nissan. but to each's own. its cool IMO. everything is being swapped into S chassis nowadays. the worst i think is a F20 from a s2k into a s chassi. i mean why?! whats the point?
DALAZ_68
07-06-2008, 03:54 AM
20b is crazy in anything....
id kill for 3 rotor go-kart... so sick
i was thinking the exact same fucken thing LOL
healing
07-06-2008, 04:04 AM
Fuck that, one rotor in a kart is already a handful:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKayagHUCw8
About the weight, the approximations above don't really take into account turbo accessories and etc for the rotary-LS1 swap. That being said, it doesn't seem the 13b would be much lighter than the SR20, either. But the 13b is made completely out of iron; if the rotor housings were aluminum it'd be a completely different story.
This is a better video, though the driver doesn't look very good lol but w/e:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW3oTWZ5YQ
Z33dori
07-06-2008, 09:38 AM
okay this is just too sick... i must have one
RUTH'LESSDET
07-06-2008, 10:18 AM
swap looks clean but im not impressed with the torque at all
jsasrsr
07-06-2008, 04:23 PM
props for doing an original swap, but then again its a rotary, which comes with pure unreliability, and thats why alot of the rx7 guys opt for an ls1.. not to mention the beastly power of an ls engine..
i bet he blew an apex seal shortly after that little photo shoot...i kid i kid
EDacIouSX
07-06-2008, 05:00 PM
It's probably not any lighter. I don't know the weight of a 13B off the top of my head, so I'll just use what I know. LS1 swaps in RX7s only add around 70-80lbs, and an LS1 weighs 496lbs. But SR20s weigh around 330lbs, therefore, according to this simple, and admittedly non-scientific calculation, the SR20 should actually be lighter than the 13B.
I suppose the swap is pretty cool, but just kinda pointless, in my opinion. Rotaries don't last long with any power and they make fuck all for torque, and really aren't that light either, so I just have to wonder why.
i am told stock for stock FD 13b is 50 pounds heavier than sr. not sure which sr
240sxdriftin
07-06-2008, 05:01 PM
yeah that car is nasty fast, i was in an event with him a couple weeks back when i wrecked my car, sounds amazing and shoots lots of fire
tt99ol
07-06-2008, 05:16 PM
thats a pretty cool deal there
but i like the 20b 350z a little better
20b sounds way better but....
only one thing beats the sound of the 20b
4 rotors of fury
Bubbles
07-06-2008, 08:17 PM
Just give me a regular FD.
Better handling, better looks, less work, same engine.
Come on kids.
trsilvias13
07-07-2008, 11:35 AM
Throw in a 13b in a s13 (or a 1995 13b in a 95 240sx) and bring it to the REF and get it certified. It can be legal + fast. Fitment might not be an issue as the Downpipe goes under the passenger side.
Antihero983
07-07-2008, 11:41 AM
I wonder what cams he's using.....hahahahahahaha
Z33dori
07-07-2008, 11:44 AM
dude he has to be running the uber nos drift cams... lol
Antihero983
07-07-2008, 11:49 AM
^lol yeah, the valvetrain must be NUTS in that thing! I hope he doesn't blow a head gasket from all that power! :keke:
Z33dori
07-07-2008, 11:52 AM
lol reps, you made my side hurt.
Antihero983
07-07-2008, 11:59 AM
^dude, just wait till his timing belt snaps! I'd hate to see when those pistons go through the oil pan from so much powa!!!
Z33dori
07-07-2008, 12:00 PM
zomg... yea aww good times good times.
it's funny b/c at the track he came out flooring it and blew some belt off and had to get off the track to fix it.. lol
gunluvS14
07-07-2008, 01:17 PM
man, I think that's cool as hell
racepar1
07-07-2008, 01:22 PM
Sounds moderately retarded to me. Even the rx-7 guys are ditching the rotary for the ls-1. I guess it's kind of cool, but I just don't think it makes sense.
Om1kron
07-07-2008, 03:25 PM
this is a prime example of how nissan kids are way cooler and more intelligent than gay homo honda f###!!!!were doing much better things!!!!plus one for a dope swap
Yeah because a rotary has neeeeeeever been swapped into a civic chassis before.
simmode1
07-07-2008, 08:03 PM
Wow. And I thought that s2000 powered s13 was weird.
I think that car made more torque, too. Innovative, but:loco:
Bubbles
07-07-2008, 08:07 PM
Even the rx-7 guys are ditching the rotary for the ls-1.
Rotary guys?
Every fucking person that owns a car seems to be swapping an LS1.
slayeroftheunholy
07-07-2008, 08:25 PM
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=739837
You should see his buddy's NA 3-rotor. it is pretty bad ass
gregfarz78
07-07-2008, 08:51 PM
cool swap but not for me you'd probably spend less swapping in a LSX and make more torque stock
HyperTek
07-07-2008, 09:03 PM
Theres 2 kinds of people.
People who love the rotary,
and people who dislike the rotary from what they hear.
So its expected.
Pretty cool, but i dont think a rotary fits well into a s14 its not that exotic. Rotary in a porsche 911 I do want to do, cheaper then building up a porsche engine and enough power to stay up with higher end porsches.
But you got to understand, the guy who built it owns a shop, so this was probably also a test of their skills and to flex their shop muscle.
At least the car isnt overkill /built for bragging rights like that S2k with a 2JZ
!Zar!
07-07-2008, 10:34 PM
13bt in an ae86.
Done.
aznpoopy
07-07-2008, 11:25 PM
Theres 2 kinds of people.
People who love the rotary,
and people who dislike the rotary from what they hear.
lol... true. they are eerily fun to drive.
but you missed the third segment
people who are sick of dealing with them
!Zar!
07-07-2008, 11:31 PM
Yay for the rotary super friends.
Luckly I haven't blown an apex seal yet.
racepar1
07-07-2008, 11:32 PM
Rotary guys?
Every fucking person that owns a car seems to be swapping an LS1.
The ls-1 is hands-down the best motor available at this particular time when you look at the whole package (weight, power/torque, cost , and swap complication). Makes sense that the swap is so popular. I myself am a big ls-1 fan.
lol... true. they are eerily fun to drive.
but you missed the third segment
people who are sick of dealing with them
Rotaries are a blast. I actually wanna build a N/A rotary swapped first gen miata. They are really not as un-reliable as most people think, but they require a LOT of attention to keep them going.
240=180
07-07-2008, 11:40 PM
some of my friends are putting rotary's in old vw beettles
floodo1
07-08-2008, 12:28 AM
wow everyone acts like rotary's have no advantages over piston engines :(
JohnJohn86
07-08-2008, 12:38 AM
I would do it the other way arround. SR20 in a FD
aznpoopy
07-08-2008, 12:53 AM
Rotaries are a blast. I actually wanna build a N/A rotary swapped first gen miata. They are really not as un-reliable as most people think, but they require a LOT of attention to keep them going.
yep. gf has an 87 n/a with about 170k on it now. original motor! just about everything except the engine is bad. but it still runs like a champ.
S14.3BRE
07-08-2008, 09:54 AM
Hey guys thanks for all of the comments. This thread was already started so I figured I'll just introduce myself here. My name is Peter. I've owned this car since 2001 when I was 17 years old. In 2002 was when I installed a S14 SR. Later I upgraded to a Microtech, bigger turbo, suspension, etc.. Finaly late season in 2005 the motor finally let go. Here is a link of the car then. http://drift411.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2288
I've always been a rotary guy at heart but loved the S chassis. So I figured it was time to do the swap. It has taken us a long time because my friend Logan and I started up a shop here in Pataskala, Ohio called Defined Autoworks.
The horsepower and torque was at 13lbs w/93 octane, roughly tuned on our dyna packs. The engine at the time only had 60 miles on it. The more I drove it the stronger it felt. We've been working on a few 3rotor conversions on FD/FCs so I have not yet re-dyno'd the car. I built this not to break records but to be a purpose built track car. I'll be posting more pictures when the car is finally done. Thanks again for the your comments.
afro88
07-08-2008, 10:35 AM
Nice job man.
As far as the weight, a major factor in a stock 13bt is all the emissions equipment and accesories as well as the iron portions of the engine. The rotory engine can get extremely light with enough work and elimination of creature comforts.
I used to have a TII FC and the car was fun as hell, my first taste of boost. Reliability wasnt that big of an issue to me, but the cost of parts was out of this world. An Sr is more expensive than a 13b, but thats negligable when putting it into anything other than an rx chassis. I love rotory I just dont have the money or patience for one right now.
I like this though just because he isnt being a typical s-chassis owner.
trsilvias13
07-08-2008, 01:31 PM
Welcome and congrats on finishing the swap. There are pictures of a s13 a while back with a rotary swap. I think it is very interested, and I would have done it to my s14, but I cannot weld and such.
I own a fd3s and a s14 and the fd does sound way BA and is faster (for now)
Brian W.
07-08-2008, 01:36 PM
Hi Peter!
your car is kick ass!
byahhhhhh
dynamicck
07-08-2008, 02:14 PM
nice setup
rotary + drifting =your car must run HOT.
is that the C&R dual pass radiator? any overheating issues?
racepar1
07-08-2008, 02:16 PM
wow everyone acts like rotary's have no advantages over piston engines :(
The rotary engine's advantages are:
1- Weight (theoretically)
The rotary engine itself is much lighter than conventional piston engines. Unfortuanetly though you need to bolt a TON of shit onto it in order to make it pass smog. So if you want the car to be theoretically able to pass smog the weight savinge would be negligeable.
2- RPM range
Rotaries rev GREAT because thay have VERY few internal moving parts. \
3- Packaging
Since the rotary engine is so small it can be mounted much further back and much lower than a piston engine.
The problem is that the dis-advantages outweigh the advantages for most people.
dookiedang
07-08-2008, 02:28 PM
..i think 400whp is pretty good for a car that isnt running that high on boost and the fact that they are just being careful and trying to break in the engine with only 60 miles.
S14DB
07-08-2008, 02:41 PM
Didn't Garage Bosso do this in a S13 last year?
Antihero983
07-08-2008, 03:01 PM
some of my friends are putting rotary's in old vw beettles
um what?
I own a 1972 Baja Beetle and would like to see pics of these swaps.
Works Concepts
07-08-2008, 03:34 PM
um what?
I own a 1972 Baja Beetle and would like to see pics of these swaps.
If you do a search "rotary beetle" you will find a few vids. That S14 must have had a lot of fab work and labor to make that work. I have seen pics of more SR's in RX-7's, this is a first for the other way around.
S14.3BRE
07-08-2008, 03:36 PM
nice setup
rotary + drifting =your car must run HOT.
is that the C&R dual pass radiator? any overheating issues?
I do have a twin pass C&R radiator. Also have twin Setrab oil coolers 25row all running on -12an. Car never exceeds over 80c. Honestly the harder I run it seems to me the cooler it gets.
SlideWell
07-08-2008, 04:03 PM
those F1 owners are crazy; er uh...i mean, FD drivers ;) :keke:
97KATURBOSILVIA
07-08-2008, 04:06 PM
something different i like it, should of been a 20b for all the hassel you inccured. 20b's sound amazing at 9-10k rpm, hope you dont rear end somebody because that intercooler radiator setup thats so beautiful will be toast. Im selling my kouki built ka-t if any one interested not to thread jack but im going back to a FD3S for sexy style
S14.3BRE
07-08-2008, 04:20 PM
something different i like it, should of been a 20b for all the hassel you inccured. 20b's sound amazing at 9-10k rpm, hope you dont rear end somebody because that intercooler radiator setup thats so beautiful will be toast. Im selling my kouki built ka-t if any one interested not to thread jack but im going back to a FD3S for sexy style
The car was designed so that a 20b will bolt directly into this. Making the hassle worth while for both engines. I didn't want to do 20b (yet?) for the fact that the amount of money spent vs power needed a 13b turbo fit the criteria better. A 13b is comfortable around the 400-500hp range. Also produces less heat and less weight.
phi_ho1
07-08-2008, 04:46 PM
that is art and it look great
renegade_ewok
07-08-2008, 06:15 PM
The horsepower and torque was at 13lbs w/93 octane, roughly tuned on our dyna packs. The engine at the time only had 60 miles on it. The more I drove it the stronger it felt. We've been working on a few 3rotor conversions on FD/FCs so I have not yet re-dyno'd the car. I built this not to break records but to be a purpose built track car. I'll be posting more pictures when the car is finally done. Thanks again for the your comments.
Thats what I wanted to hear - good shit. Those are good numbers so far for the boost range... What you cranking it up to when all said and done?
S14.3BRE
07-08-2008, 06:48 PM
Thats what I wanted to hear - good shit. Those are good numbers so far for the boost range... What you cranking it up to when all said and done?
16psi is really the most I'm going to run for now. Don't really need much more power.
zenkistck
07-08-2008, 09:48 PM
that is very nice
UNITEDMASTER
07-13-2008, 03:14 PM
Hello gents ,Im a lil late to the party here. I am in the process of puting a 13B-RE Cosmo in my S13. My reasons for this are ,much lower center of gravity,the weight loss Vs SR is only minimal(60-80lbs guessing),but it is ditributed much better. On my setup the engine is 98% behind the front cross member, only the front iron & related components are ahead of it.
As far as 400 being a cake walk for an SR that may or may not be true ther are aloooooot more parts to buy to get to that point & do it correctly VS a rotary. Of course it helps alot when you know how to port & assemble your own stuff. I think the amount of jack asses blowing up SRs & rotarys is a close race ,all for the same reasons poor tuning & poor parts selction & poor upkeep.
Also all this talk of the rotary being a non reliable motor is all garbage,MAZDAs racing history was built on the fact that these motors were very reliable in a road race setting. Just the pure nature of drifting is very hard on these motors. The problem is all of these "Import Tuners" out there that dont even understand basic 4 stroke principals let alone how to extract reliable HP from a rotary. Not that Im so guru or anything . Just my .02
2jzs14
07-13-2008, 03:39 PM
How come only 400whp? That thing has dry sump and a big ass turbo... You should be able to rev the shit out of that rotary especially with a dry sump setup to spool that thing. Is there a post with more information on it like a dyno graph or how much boost they are running?
That is a straight up awesome swap and it was done well. That Precision 61 shouldn't be short at 400whp as the 67s go to like 700whp on supras.... I know different league, but the airflow should still be there.
"It made 400whp and 280tq @ 13lbs of boost on 93 octane, and with 60 miles on the engine.......Once its fully broken in we will turn up the pressure. "
S14.3BRE
07-13-2008, 04:36 PM
Hello gents ,Im a lil late to the party here. I am in the process of puting a 13B-RE Cosmo in my S13. My reasons for this are ,much lower center of gravity,the weight loss Vs SR is only minimal(60-80lbs guessing),but it is ditributed much better. On my setup the engine is 98% behind the front cross member, only the front iron & related components are ahead of it.
As far as 400 being a cake walk for an SR that may or may not be true ther are aloooooot more parts to buy to get to that point & do it correctly VS a rotary. Of course it helps alot when you know how to port & assemble your own stuff. I think the amount of jack asses blowing up SRs & rotarys is a close race ,all for the same reasons poor tuning & poor parts selction & poor upkeep.
Also all this talk of the rotary being a non reliable motor is all garbage,MAZDAs racing history was built on the fact that these motors were very reliable in a road race setting. Just the pure nature of drifting is very hard on these motors. The problem is all of these "Import Tuners" out there that dont even understand basic 4 stroke principals let alone how to extract reliable HP from a rotary. Not that Im so guru or anything . Just my .02
How far along are you on the build?
HyperTek
07-13-2008, 06:49 PM
Rotary swap 240sx , id make that bish street legal.. then you have street legal SR20 territory without the stress and worry from cops
ILoveMyRHS13
07-13-2008, 07:01 PM
Reminds me of the 20B AE86... Yeah, it's old but still fucking awesome.
fvPfi-ZeQRM
Bubbles
07-13-2008, 10:32 PM
I think the amount of jack asses blowing up SRs & rotarys is a close race
You would be wrong.
UNITEDMASTER
07-13-2008, 11:34 PM
How far along are you on the build?. Well the motor & trans are mounted. So now Im working of plumbing,& reconstructing the tunnle & firewall!!!:bigok:
BUBBLES- You forgot the rest of the sentence wich is the reasoning behind the statement,But its cool if you disagree
edtek
07-14-2008, 03:37 AM
thats pretty unique!
Bubbles
07-14-2008, 04:15 AM
I didn't forget anything.
Rotaries are FAR less reliable than sr's.
It's not even an opinion.
I fucking love rotaries and have owned two of them
but you look at that thing wrong and it goes into fuck-mode.
Maximamike
07-14-2008, 11:47 AM
id kill for 3 rotor go-kart... so sick
No need for a 3 rotor. We got one of these, things pretty bad ass. It broke the other day, probably will require an engine change. No bullshit. :rofl: :rofl: :Owned:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p11/mjcnismo/kart1.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p11/mjcnismo/kart2.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p11/mjcnismo/kart3.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p11/mjcnismo/kart4.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p11/mjcnismo/kart5.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p11/mjcnismo/kart6.jpg
Grenade180sx
07-14-2008, 12:00 PM
How far along are you on the build?
this wouldnt happen to be peter would it ? the car looks way familiar
GtoRx7
07-14-2008, 07:29 PM
this wouldnt happen to be peter would it ? the car looks way familiar
yes you're right its Peter.
Monooxide
07-14-2008, 10:21 PM
Why are people still so dense when it comes to torque?
Let me guess, a Formula 1 car is a piece of crap because it doesn't have a near 1 to 1 torque ratio...right? I mean it revs to 20,000 RPM with all of its 2.4L fury only producing roughly 185 foot pounds at redline. With peak torque probably settling in around or below 300 foot pounds.
I think a lot of you guys need to do some learning and figure out how the HP number is derived...it couldn't be a mathematical equation or anything could it...
RPM is your friend, you need less torque and boost to create large amounts of horsepower. The "car" world needs to realize this rather than bashing a car because it has "low" torque.
murda-c
07-14-2008, 10:44 PM
yeah but more torque=more fun.
500hp 500tq>500hp 300tq
GtoRx7
07-14-2008, 11:11 PM
yeah but more torque=more fun.
500hp 500tq>500hp 300tq
800hp 500tq> 500hp 300tq
Yes I agree is more fun :)
S14DB
07-15-2008, 06:11 AM
No need for a 3 rotor. We got one of these, things pretty bad ass. It broke the other day, probably will require an engine change. No bullshit. :rofl: :rofl: :Owned:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p11/mjcnismo/kart1.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p11/mjcnismo/kart2.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p11/mjcnismo/kart3.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p11/mjcnismo/kart4.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p11/mjcnismo/kart5.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p11/mjcnismo/kart6.jpg
Wow a P20 carb. That thing sucks some fuel.
Maximamike
07-15-2008, 11:59 AM
Wow a P20 carb. That thing sucks some fuel.
It's a drinker for sure.
Rocko
09-19-2008, 08:24 AM
I suppose if you really want to make a Nissan less reliable, this is one way to go about it. :keke:
Not really my thing, but hey, if they like it, then good for them.
I remember an article in one of the mags a few years ago about a guy at some shop swaping his FD RX-7's 13b rotary for an SR because he got tired of it breaking.
Cool points for being different though.
Silverbullet
09-19-2008, 08:58 AM
it is a drift car? I guess he never got the memo that you want torque for drifting =)
cool project though.
Antihero983
09-19-2008, 09:33 AM
I think the amount of jack asses blowing up SRs & rotarys is a close race ,all for the same reasons poor tuning & poor parts selction & poor upkeep.
Also all this talk of the rotary being a non reliable motor is all garbage,MAZDAs racing history was built on the fact that these motors were very reliable in a road race setting. Just the pure nature of drifting is very hard on these motors. The problem is all of these "Import Tuners" out there that dont even understand basic 4 stroke principals let alone how to extract reliable HP from a rotary. Not that Im so guru or anything . Just my .02
I wholeheartedly agree with this dude's post.
txrxs
09-19-2008, 09:47 AM
Cool...this car has maybe been to one event all year. Fuck yeah bro, purpose built drift car that never sees the track, gtfo.
GtoRx7
09-19-2008, 10:01 PM
We have been too busy to race. Sorry. Customers come first, but not everyone understands that I suppose.
trsilvias13
09-19-2008, 10:24 PM
it is a drift car? I guess he never got the memo that you want torque for drifting =)
cool project though.
still more torque than a stock sr and a stock ka that ppl drift with right?
Creizai
09-19-2008, 10:26 PM
He's a great driver use to drift back in the day project elite boys. He works at a Rotary shop around cbus so it makes sense. Cool guy missed the car though crashed too fast.. I bought the shell of his friend loun lol.
Shit didn't see he is posting in here lol....
s13dan
09-19-2008, 10:51 PM
Iv seen my share of SR's in Rx-7's so i geuss its there turn. cool
Tenchuu
09-19-2008, 11:15 PM
guess all those rotaries people dump have to go somewhere.....
txrxs
09-20-2008, 11:45 AM
We have been too busy to race. Sorry. Customers come first, but not everyone understands that I suppose.
Understandable, you've got a good excuse, do your thing.
I'm just sick of people in the midwest building "drift cars" and not going to events.
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