DSG 240RS Updates...still a ways to go

[driftstyre]

I am almost finished with the exhaust. After some awesome modification of the footwell (the part that isn't needed:) ), the exhaust fits awesome and will have no clearance issues. There is still about a foot left to fabricate on the Ti portion. The footwell also has to be fabricated. The entire exhaust will have a 2700 degree carbon/inconel blanket around it so the heat shouldn't be much of an issue. The initial turbine outlet is 3" stainless, then expands up to 3.5" where the wastegate re-enters. I machined the .060 3.5" stainless down to 3.3 to fit the .020 titanium as a slip on fitting. The tubing I got is incredibly hard to weld being only .020 thick. It takes an insane amount of work to get it ready for welding as weld. I also only have .060 filler where .030 would be ideal. The stainless bellows is two layers of .010 so it is even harder to weld. It all came out well enough though. I modified the wastegate entry so both ports are completely seperate up until the WG piston. Braces are in order for both the wastegate and turbo. Everything is solid in the car so a combination of engine and chassis mounts will work. After the exhaust, sway bars will commence.
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[arkive43]

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thats what i have to say to that. those welds the design, its art dude!!

[Aeroscraper326]

Sweit........

[mydogsdrift]

Moar pics! That thing looks sick. Can you get some from farther away so we can see the entire manifold and where it is coming out at?

[96Turbo]

thats fuckin impressive. speechless.......

[ByeByeSti]

holyyyy shit! i wish i had your fabbing skills sir, id die for them

[bboyoracle]

nice work! But why do you always make a thread when you have done something to the car. Why not just update your previous thread?

[eulalia]

wow, i can only imagine how bad ass that car is going to be just by seeing those welds, very very clean job

[awesomenick]

wow, i can only imagine how bad ass that car is going to be just by seeing those welds, very very clean job

It's already bad ass, there is no "to be" about it. haha. This thing is insane.

[Sil-Eighty SE-K]

bill...... u TIG like a damn machine!

[DJButton]

Bill, would it be incredibly forward of me to just stop in sometime when I'm in the area. I don't think I can convey over the internet just how cool this car is. :coolugh: heh

[IIIXziuR]

As we all know, Bill is the master

[arkive43]

yep he eats s2000's for breakfast:keke: whats next evos?! lol

[Sil-Eighty SE-K]

yea AMS evos!

[DJ_Sunrise]

I saw the 240RS and other handy work by Bill and the guys at DSG.. CRAZY!!! I'm loving it! the 240rs is already a work of art

-Bart

[96Turbo]

As we all know, Bill is the master

(in yoda voice) Much to be learned there is, young jedi. The shit, DSG is

[driftstyre]

Thanks guys. I finished it this morning. I have all the supplies to make a 3.5" titanium muffler, so if I get banzored at an event, I can slip that thing on there:)
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Bill, would it be incredibly forward of me to just stop in sometime when I'm in the area. I don't think I can convey over the internet just how cool this car is. :coolugh: heh

Dude, what is that regamaster centerlock from? You can stop by anytime we are open. Alex's evo II lancer is up and running again as well. I drove it on the street the other day with the new turbo. Its absolutely retarded at 10 lbs of boost. I can't imagine it at 25.

[Maximamike]

http://www.dentsport.com/gallery/d/10719-2/DSCF5685.JPG

Do you foresee any issue with wheel clearance when taking left turns with the exhaust like that or is it tucked further back then it looks? Bad ass. I may stop by soon with my newish SVT Focus.

[v-empire]

woo woo, bill... dont burn those feet!
thats sum hard metal to weld on....

we totaled the r32 this past weekend ..lol

i ll see u guys in two weeks. oh and you need sum sexy pants decals on that car.

lookin good. how is the sway bars coming along? any pics yet?

[DJButton]

Dude, what is that regamaster centerlock from? You can stop by anytime we are open. Alex's evo II lancer is up and running again as well. I drove it on the street the other day with the new turbo. Its absolutely retarded at 10 lbs of boost. I can't imagine it at 25.

The Regamaster was used on a GT300 FD I beleive, I forget which team but the car was driven by Taniguchi and a Russian driver. My neighbor brought it back from Japan. That's great it was so sad when both cars were down at GT Live, I wanted to see some competition for AMS! Well hopefully one of these days when my neighbor and I are down there we'll pay a visit!

[driftstyre]

Mike,
I measured everything and it should fit but with my luck it probably won't. Who cares:w00t: Bring the SVT down. We have been servicing a Focus in rally america. They are pretty cool.

Dave,
My feet hopefully won't be too toasty with the heatshielding:) How did the R32 get totalled? Damn. You better drop by when you are up here.

DJButton,
That would be from the RE Amemiya GT300 car. Damn, that is sick. The car won't be as fast as the AMS car...thats fine though. It will be a lot faster than before.

[DJButton]

DJButton,
That would be from the RE Amemiya GT300 car. Damn, that is sick. The car won't be as fast as the AMS car...thats fine though. It will be a lot faster than before.

It defintely is a cool thing to have up on the wall, for sure! Well, at least you guys are friendly. AMS, at least the guys with the time attack, were total jerks to us. If you guys bring it up for some test & tune in Loudon I'll have to come over.

[driftstyre]

Been working on the sway bars lately. I also worked on my new rear taillights! Check them out!
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No. I wasn't serious. 60 shipped for instant composite molds. I am going to trim the inside of these for extra radiator heat exhaustion (and install some kind of small brake lights). I've been testing out some cheaper ways of vacuum bagging and they seem to work.
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Messing around with the exhaust a bit:)
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The first of four sway bars. Chromoly with different wall thicknesses and diameters for each. Thanks to Tim from TIP for really going crazy and working this all out on paper! The dampers are going out today to AMF in NH.

The magnetic jig to ensure straightness.
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[Landers]

You da man..I love your work, i really need to come up to your place to check it out for real.

[v-empire]

yea yeeeaaaaaa!!!

sexy pants bill, i can haz sway baaaahhs?

[a_ahmed]

frickin wow.. i was JUST looking at your car today trying to find pix of the front end how you braced the strut towers to the firewall (as i want to do something like that). The website gallery went down :( Could you post some pix or link to some place where you have all those pix...

Kick ass...

[240trainee]

That bike exhaust looks sweet

You should make one for my 110cc 4 stroke moped, hahahahaha.

[driftstyre]

frickin wow.. i was JUST looking at your car today trying to find pix of the front end how you braced the strut towers to the firewall (as i want to do something like that). The website gallery went down :( Could you post some pix or link to some place where you have all those pix...

Kick ass...

www.dentsport.com/gallery

[claymans13]

how'd you do that with Ti?

[driftstyre]

yea yeeeaaaaaa!!!

sexy pants bill, i can haz sway baaaahhs?

Quy rode his motorcycle all the way home last night with alex. Al said it took like 50 minutes!

[driftstyre]

how'd you do that with Ti?

Heat, vinyl and sandblasting

[driftstyre]

Also filled in the footwell.
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[v-empire]

Quy rode his motorcycle all the way home last night with alex. Al said it took like 50 minutes!

hahahah..what he get? a vespa? they both rode together?

like sexy spooning grab his ding dong helmet bumpin' shotgun together?

or they both got bikes now?

is the sway bar gonna be internal adjustable?

we need all our stuff internally adjustable coz we can haz sexy pants make me dance.

*edit*

ooo.. i like the hollywood movie staah muffler, YO!

yo dont think that will be enough to change the temps on the front driver side tyres? or getting wrapped?

[DOOK]

work of art as usual my man...

[driftstyre]

hahahah..what he get? a vespa? they both rode together?

like sexy spooning grab his ding dong helmet bumpin' shotgun together?

or they both got bikes now?

is the sway bar gonna be internal adjustable?

we need all our stuff internally adjustable coz we can haz sexy pants make me dance.

ooo.. i like the hollywood movie staah muffler, YO!

Quy got a brand new R6, black w/ gold wheels. Never ridden before...not even a vespa.
The sways will not be in-car adjustable...yet...maybe during the winter:)

[v-empire]

frickin wow.. i was JUST looking at your car today trying to find pix of the front end how you braced the strut towers to the firewall (as i want to do something like that). The website gallery went down :( Could you post some pix or link to some place where you have all those pix...

Kick ass...

Ron got the website up!!!
chheaaaa!


ok. 1.2.3. go!
www.dentsport.com (http://www.dentsport.com)

[HS13KLS]

wow...this is beyond sick.. i like this a lot..

id give you rep but it says i have given too much out today :(

[a_ahmed]

woohoo! thanks bro! Your project is KICK ASS, I can't get enough of you rally videos either haha... it's totally amazing!

[axiomatik]

Gorgeous as always.

[EJ253]

thats money!

[ZilviaKid]

http://www.dentsport.com/gallery/d/10794-2/rizla_exhaust.jpg

more pics of the bike please :P

[ByeByeSti]

+1 for me wanting to make love to your car :) good to see more new england people

[Maximamike]

You da man..I love your work, i really need to come up to your place to check it out for real.

You'll prolly be there for like 3 hours and walk around and watch/look at a bunch of cool shit. If you bring a friend it'll be the source of conversation for weeks to come. :bigok:

The tail lights look 100% cooler in person, btw.

[driftstyre]

The sway bar mounts are finished front and rear now. 2 of the 4 bars are complete and I am slowly completing the remaining two as I work on other stuff. I also finished the titanium alloy blades for the other sides. They will have a two way adjustment to compliment the fully adjustable IMGAB blades. I got a great deal on the high profile/velocity Spal 12" fans to replace my low profile craptastic ones. The new ones are 1650cfm for each fan...
I also got a really nice fluidyne oil cooler ($75) to replace my mocal that was crunched in the crash.
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[blu808]

You should make the title of your next thread " Worlds most badass thing ever created"


All I can say is im glad you can build this stuff on your own, or you would owe alot of money to some alms car shop by now.

[MikeisNissan]

man great stuff. Skills through the roof..

[seesquared]

is it me, or are all these welds on point?

le boner

[infinitexsound]

pretty big ass oil cooler bill..... lets hope u get up to temp... j/k

[driftstyre]

Thanks guys. Your FD & FC are both retarded Luke...the FD looks so sexy in that sig pic. The materials for the Ti blades were $72 shipped from latvia:wavey:

I think the cooler should be fine with a thermostat. My last Mocal was similar footprint but 2/3 the thickness and that got very hot.

[scottie]

Hey your fan shroud almost looks like my setup:

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Shroud4.jpg
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Nice build! Keep up the great work and updates!!


Scott

[Z33dori]

I was just reading about this car in the last SPC.....fucking amazing creation.


major props, keep us up to date.....

[Def]

Thanks guys. Your FD & FC are both retarded Luke...the FD looks so sexy in that sig pic. The materials for the Ti blades were $72 shipped from latvia:wavey:

I think the cooler should be fine with a thermostat. My last Mocal was similar footprint but 2/3 the thickness and that got very hot.

Damn - that's dirt cheap for that much Ti.

Make sure you do some ducting to the oil cooler if it's getting that hot. Mine never gets over about 100-110 deg F over ambient with a smallish B&M core sitting behind my passenger front corner light(which I take out for the track).

[driftstyre]

Hey your fan shroud almost looks like my setup:

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m99/scotheocelot/Shroud4.jpg
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Nice build! Keep up the great work and updates!!


Scott

Actually, yours looks a lot better than mine! Very clean with the bending.

[driftstyre]

Damn - that's dirt cheap for that much Ti.

Make sure you do some ducting to the oil cooler if it's getting that hot. Mine never gets over about 100-110 deg F over ambient with a smallish B&M core sitting behind my passenger front corner light(which I take out for the track).

I have an aluminum oil cooler duct mold ready for some fiberglass. I love ducts!

[DJButton]

Coming along great, like usual!

[driftstyre]

The rear sway bar setup is complete. Bladed arms are from both IMGAB in Sweden and the Titanium alloy ones are made in-house. There are both hard and soft bars in yellow and green respectively, for both the front and rear. Tim at TIP Engineering is responsible for the re-mapping of the suspension setup. New spring rates, Ohlins damper re-valving (AMF Motorsports) and ARB rates were all spec’d by Tim on paper. Every possible number was taken into consideration by Tim (down to the weight of each individual unsprung part). This is completely new and previously, there was only a front anti-roll bar. The improvement should be huge. There is much more spring and damping to accommodate the added downforce and tire. As far as straight line speed, the power to weight ratio with the new turbo will be greater than both a Mclaren F1 and a Ferrari Enzo and about the same or a little better than a veyron. It is quite exciting for me but I really have no idea how I will manage to drive it. Whatever:)

The front sways will be done by the end of the day (sunday).


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[96Turbo]

wow man....this thing is gonna be SCARY (in a good way ;))

[GSXRJJordan]

That's AWESOME! The blade sways are the jam, of course, but the fact that Tim blueprinted your whole suspension setup is GREAT!

I'm really excited to see some more video!

[rightcoastimports]

ahh yea big ups to DSG your right down the way from me.. i've been there quite a few times.

car is coming along very nicely cant wait to see it all together and running.

BTW how much to dyno my car?? no tuning.

[sldbyuramg]

yea AMS evos!

which ams evo? the drag evo or the TA evo...i could see this possibly beating the TA evo...although it is pretty damn good. but the drag evo... 8.56 @ 159 is pretty f-ing fast... espesially since they just broke there own record with 1130 AWHP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tgTtArtSCE&eurl=http://amsperformance.com/

[sldbyuramg]

beside the ams comment... those welds are awesome and cant wait to see the final product... +1 for awesome craftsmanship

[driftstyre]

BTW how much to dyno my car?? no tuning.

PM Sent to you

[driftstyre]

which ams evo? the drag evo or the TA evo...i could see this possibly beating the TA evo...although it is pretty damn good. but the drag evo... 8.56 @ 159 is pretty f-ing fast... espesially since they just broke there own record with 1130 AWHP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tgTtArtSCE&eurl=http://amsperformance.com/

The AMS car is AWD, I just want to beat the RWD cars;) They have pro drivers and a better car...no chance anyways.

[dirtdiggler666]

all i got to say is i love your car

i really like seeing cars with one off parts and custom shit

you get sick of seeing normal bolt on drifter yo shit after a while

[blu808]

how much would you insure this thing for Bill?

[98koukile]

This car makes babies and grown men alike cry... that is all I can say about it. Fuck AMS... anyone and their mom can make an EVO fast, you're re-engineering a 20 year old chassis to kick ass and take names

[driftstyre]

Luke,
I'd insure it for 80K if I could:)

Thanks 98koukile,
That makes spending time on this 20 yr old car a little better:)

The sway bars are completely done and the second hand Ohlins rear dampers showed up. They couldn't get enough out of the Konis so these Accord rears fit perfectly with Z32 uprights, plus they are externally adjustable. I also mounted the clutch.

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[95KA-Turbo]

First off, I have to say your car is fucking amazing, I got to see it at VIR up close a year or so ago. I hope to see it again and am aiming to get my car on some grip driving action, possibly in December.

Any particular reason you chose accord rears over Z32 rears? I am currently trying to piece together a bilstein suspension and was going with Z32 rears.

[driftstyre]

First off, I have to say your car is fucking amazing, I got to see it at VIR up close a year or so ago. I hope to see it again and am aiming to get my car on some grip driving action, possibly in December.

Any particular reason you chose accord rears over Z32 rears? I am currently trying to piece together a bilstein suspension and was going with Z32 rears.

Thanks for the compliments. I just got the accords very cheap. The ohlins for any car are hard to find new/used and over 600 each so $100 each for the accord ones was fine with me. Bilsteins would be great. We have a good contact there who revalves stuff for us (if you find a set to use, maybe some second hand ones from an Evo MR). Just look on ebay, here and in other parts of the world. If you go on yahoo japan through rinkya, there are tons of Ohlins for many different cars and can be revalved to anything.

It looks like a great setup is the Koni 2610/11 that others are using for road racing.

[oskars14kat]

speechless!!! i wish i could have four skills man

[irritatedmax]

you may have already answered this question, but what was involved in making that clutch setup work with the sr? just match splines and bolt pattern? are you using a different flywheel?

great looking setup. i can't wait to see it finished this time around.

[driftstyre]

Max,
The flywheel was purchased from Mazworx and was used on their previous setup. Its a custom fidanza made to use a 7.25 QM or Tilton. You need a hydraulic TOB and a transmission with a 26 spline, 1 5/16 diameter (a lot of hewlands, Tex 101s and G_Force are this diameter, its called a chevy fine-spline)

[burnsauto]

there have been a lot of builds, but seriously....who makes their own freaking sway bars... im glad someone is doing good work in the north east :)


...i wonder what the designers at nissan would think if they saw this car...

[driftstyre]

Thanks dude. I sometimes wonder what the reaction of a nismo or autech engineer would be. They would probably laugh.

I mounted the rear suspension today. I'll be sending out the Ohlins rear and hopefully have them back soon. Someday the car will be done:)

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[rightcoastimports]

amazing... great work.

[95KA-Turbo]

Thanks for the compliments. I just got the accords very cheap. The ohlins for any car are hard to find new/used and over 600 each so $100 each for the accord ones was fine with me. Bilsteins would be great. We have a good contact there who revalves stuff for us (if you find a set to use, maybe some second hand ones from an Evo MR). Just look on ebay, here and in other parts of the world. If you go on yahoo japan through rinkya, there are tons of Ohlins for many different cars and can be revalved to anything.

It looks like a great setup is the Koni 2610/11 that others are using for road racing.


Yeah, there is a full set of S14/S15 Ohlins coilovers on Up Garage for 1000 bucks but I have no way of actually checking on their condition, they're also not duel height adjustable, and I'm afraid I won't be happy with the height options on them. Since my car is a street car mainly I want it to look the way I want it to and preform well, so I have to make compromises. I should be able to get the best of both worlds with the bilsteins.

[axiomatik]

speechless!!! i wish i could have four skills man

which four? :keke:

[GSXRJJordan]

Lol four = your?

I'll take... "design/blueprinting" skill, "using metal shop tools without loosing fingers" skill, "crazy out-of-this-world welding" skill, and...

... "pimpin East Coast ho's" skill? This one's just a guess... maybe Bill should post up pics of the wifey/latest score to confirm? =D

[PoorMans180SX]

Still looking amazing.

I can't wait for videos, you better take more videos this time!

[racepar1]

Sickest 240 ever created! I love the fact that about 1/2 the car has been cutaway! This car gives me soooo many ideas on how I want to build my next one.

[driftstyre]

Thanks racepar1:)

Progress is moving along on my car. The hood should be here this week and I can finally finish the front end. The clutch is in, TOB is spaced properly and bled. The staubli fitting is in there too, no more leakage and rebleeding when I take the transmission off:)
On a whim, I decided to make new front lateral and tension arms. I've been wanting to change the old ones for so long. They were not ideal and weren't even the same length side to side. They were essentially modified stock ones where these new ones are made from scratch. $100 in materials and a 9 hours. The rod ends are left over from the old set so they weren't added into the cost. All 4130 alloy.
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Clutch bleeder and staubli fitting.
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[derek_s13]

those arms are intense.

[Def]

What are you doing for the stock ball joint taper? Did you ream the stock spindle out to a more "common" domestic taper and use some off the shelf stuff, or did you machine stuff to the Nissan taper?

[ThatGuy]

So...

Right Side = Red
Left Side = Blue

Any other reason behind the paint scheme, besides being badassed.

[DJButton]

Bill, fantastic! That is all. :coold:

[racepar1]

SICK! Those front arms look even nicer than they ikeya formula ones. I'm willing to bet that you might be willing to sell them for less too! I also wanna know what you did about the ball joint taper.

[96Turbo]

ur the gnarliest motherfucker ever.....

ur welds are sexy...and that is not even slightly overstated

[blu808]

Bill. Will you be the father of my children?

[pwr-adr]

All the suspension components look like they were made from leftovers from a playground you'd see at a park haha. Nice work man keep it up.

[racepar1]

All the suspension components look like they were made from leftovers from a playground you'd see at a park haha. Nice work man keep it up.

Ummmm, I've never seen a playground made of tig welded chromoly dude! Ever seen the ikeya formula arms? They cost over $1000 for a set of LCA's and they don't look that sexy!

[s13.5ftw]

Ummmm, I've never seen a playground made of tig welded chromoly dude! Ever seen the ikeya formula arms? They cost over $1000 for a set of LCA's and they don't look that sexy!

^^agreed :)

msglength

[driftstyre]

What are you doing for the stock ball joint taper? Did you ream the stock spindle out to a more "common" domestic taper and use some off the shelf stuff, or did you machine stuff to the Nissan taper?

Def,

I was planning on reaming out my factory taper to a US 1.5 or 2 inch taper. Fortunately, Kuah @ SPL made a few custom ones and I was lucky enough to get some. The taper is stock nissan with a 5/8-18 shank. That happened to be the monoball size I have been using so it works great (mine used to loosen up a tiny bit once in a while so these will be a great upgrade)

[driftstyre]

Some updates:)

I started the car today! If you like fire, check out the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN2szApaRTI

I finished the mods to the cooling system that needed to be done. The microprocessor control for the EWP is wired in as well as a few other small things. One of the last major things to do is the front end. I have been waiting for a hood for like 5 weeks now and I need that as its the only stock mounting part on the front. That dictates where everything else will be mounted. So, when the car is tuned and ready to go, a full test day will be in order and then I think the first actual event will be Super Lap Battle at Pocono. We'll see though, I might only be able to do Redline @ VIR this year and a few test days.

Some cooling system photos.
http://gallery.dentsport.com/cache/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Coolant%20System/DSCF5999.JPG_960.jpg

http://gallery.dentsport.com/cache/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Coolant%20System/DSCF6007.JPG_960.jpg

http://gallery.dentsport.com/cache/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Coolant%20System/DSCF6009.JPG_960.jpg

http://gallery.dentsport.com/cache/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Coolant%20System/DSCF6008.JPG_960.jpg

http://gallery.dentsport.com/cache/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Coolant%20System/DSCF6011.JPG_960.jpg

[Landers]

Ahhh i love this car so much, That video was pure awesomeness.

[burnsauto]

...i love real race cars...

[Xracer]

Sex.... I cant wait to build my next car. In the process of building my first car,or anybodys car for that matter, you learn and think of so many other new and better things you can do next time.

[blu808]

Can your car have sex with my car?

[Xracer]

Is the after fire in the video due to an anti-lag system?

[sxe]

^ no its the flux capacitor.

[EDacIouSX]

wow that car looks like its gonna be totally ballin

[irritatedmax]

i am so glad you decided to build a 240. we could be missing out on all this awesomeness if you had chosen another chassis. :wtc:

and, becareful where you stand around bill's car if it is idling. i can see a few hot legs in the future or scaring a few unsuspecting bystanders with a quick tap of the throttle. :keke:

[driftstyre]

Is the after fire in the video due to an anti-lag system?

No, its just rich. The car hasn't been on the dyno yet with the new injectors, just did a percentage compensation for the extra fuel.

[Xracer]

I see, my buddy's RB does that alot too and its just running rich. Not quite the fireballs like that though. Probably the super short exhaust. But yea that machine is awesome. I'll have to meet you in person some time. Maybe at a track event or something.

[rightcoastimports]

bill really nice work i'll have to come by and check it out.. i need you to do some work for me anyway soon.

[driftstyre]

Thanks Estevan.

The turbo CHRA/Compressor Housing arrived today. Oiling system, cooling system, brakes and electronics are all set to go. Tuning will commence in the next few days! The whole oiling system disconnects with two fittings, no leakage. Removing the front (to work on the engine) takes less than one minute. I will most likely use 112 but I am thinking about Q16.

http://gallery.dentsport.com/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Coolant%20System/image/960/DSCF6052.JPG

http://gallery.dentsport.com/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Coolant%20System/image/960/DSCF6050.JPG

http://gallery.dentsport.com/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Coolant%20System/image/960/DSCF6047.JPG

http://gallery.dentsport.com/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Coolant%20System/image/960/DSCF6045.JPG

[SoSideways]

You didn't burn your leg when you went over to turn the car off? There was still a blue flame sitting on the exhaust tip lol

Car's looking nice Bill :)

[sliksta1]

amen to this 240. your brain is filled with upmost fab skills man that i have seen in awhile. keep up the good work. you wanna build my car? haha.

cant wait to see the car in action!

[forum04pl]

Looking good as always Bill! I'm liking that duct/fan setup.

P.S. sorry about my POS ko'd in the back haha

[rightcoastimports]

coming for tuning on the 6th so i'll have to check this out in person.. looking fabuloso.

[atutt]

Mr. Washburn, you are a fab God amoung men! lol

This build is absolutely awe inspiring. I love it!

[96Turbo]

crazy oiling setup, crazy ducting/fan setup, crazy front end

simply amazing

[driftstyre]

Thanks guys. I hope the car will be impressive this/next year. It is getting sprayed in calsonic blue after the front bodywork is completed:)

The turbo is in. I machined the compressor inlet down a tiny bit and removed the lip so I can use 4" ducting to the filter. The outlet was tapered up to 2.5" and smoothed out inside. I started the coolant lines to the turbo, oil return is done and feed is done.

http://gallery.dentsport.com/cache/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Coolant%20System/DSCF6057.JPG_960.jpg

http://gallery.dentsport.com/cache/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Coolant%20System/DSCF6056.JPG_960.jpg

http://gallery.dentsport.com/cache/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Coolant%20System/DSCF6058.JPG_960.jpg

Our buddy brought by his new Peterbuilt tri-axle, 540hp-1650ft/lbs. It has one of the new cummins/holset VGT turbos. I noticed it has a turbo speed sensor:)

http://gallery.dentsport.com/cache/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Coolant%20System/DSCF6055.JPG_960.jpg

[Gavster]

You do some really amazing stuff! Hats off to you, and thanks for a fun and itneresting read everytime I look at this!

[gotta240]

subscribed.

[GSXRJJordan]

Awesome, it's really coming together Bill! I love these updates :)

[Oo_Skyline_oO]

WOW nice build man

[0100]

This car is so fucking badass. Absolutely amazing work.

DSG FTMFW!

[s13 @ fullboost]

Wow very impressive welding +1

[Maximamike]

Looks cool all painted and what not.

[Def]

What kind of quick disconnects are those? I work with Aeroquip's AE series at work. The pressure drop on some of the smaller ones is pretty high, so I wonder what other QDs are like when it comes to thinks like oiling/water cooling. Once you get to a -16 size I'd bet the pressure drop on most is pretty inconsequential.

Well... and the fact that one half of even the -4 size is over $800/each kind of makes them not an option for automotive usage. Don't don't allow ANY air into the system, which I hear is a big pickle with some QDs.

[driftstyre]

Def,
They are Aeroquip. I am not sure exactly where they came from but I've seen them on military aircraft and thats where they supposedly came from. They were probably made as bespoke items for a specific plane. Used, you can pick these up for a decent cost, just have to look around for them. There is a tiny bit of leakage but no air is let into the system so if it were coolant or brakes, no bleeding is necessary. If you look at a relitively modern WRC there are about 100 quick disconnects throughout the car. The money adds up when new but second hand they are a great option. Jiffy-tite connections are pretty cheap for the quality of the parts. I think a -8 disconnect is $50 for both sides. A Staubli on the other hand is 130 for each side.

What do you use the AE Aeroquip stuff on? Whatever it is, it must be cool:)

What kind of quick disconnects are those? I work with Aeroquip's AE series at work. The pressure drop on some of the smaller ones is pretty high, so I wonder what other QDs are like when it comes to thinks like oiling/water cooling. Once you get to a -16 size I'd bet the pressure drop on most is pretty inconsequential.

Well... and the fact that one half of even the -4 size is over $800/each kind of makes them not an option for automotive usage. Don't don't allow ANY air into the system, which I hear is a big pickle with some QDs.

[GSXRJJordan]

Thanks for the heads up on the used QD's! I'd always assumed that kind of "specialty" stuff would be quite a bit cheaper second hand, but where do you find a decent selection? Online? Airplane graveyards?

[driftstyre]

Exciting News!! Low boost tuning was completed last night! From the gains made by increasing boost in increments of 1 psi the power goals for the maxi should be well within reach. The twin scroll combined with the head porting (by head dynamics) has really shown some great power under the curve. It looks like up top the 264s might be holding it back a bit but the transient response of this turbo is insane. Matt Koestner again performed the awesome calibration for the Autronic and made everything look like a breeze. The precision core is absolutely insane in cooling the charge temp. At steady state, maybe 8 lbs or so, the hot side is literally too hot to touch and the cold side is cool, almost ambient. Cooling with the new fans and Davies microprocessor for the pump allowed complete steady state tuning with absolutely no let up for coolant temps. So, at 17 lbs, 373whp was achieved with excellent torque. I don't have the autronic boost control set up yet so I had a hallman on there. The electronic control should allow for some adjustment in the initial ramp up in boost. Once I get a few small things ironed out, I will head for 25 lbs. Just as a gauge, a V10 stock M5 makes 386whp and a stock 2.0 WRX makes 160-165whp on our dyno.
http://gallery.dentsport.com/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/action/image/960/DSCF6100.JPG

http://gallery.dentsport.com/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/action/image/960/DSCF6101.JPG

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http://gallery.dentsport.com/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/turbo/image/960/DSCF6103.JPG

[SicBastard]

v10?!...

We don't need no stinking v10!

How much smoothing is on that dyno graph? The ramp up is way more linear than what you'd expect from a 400+ hp 2.0L. Great work.

[DisEpyon]

Are those ITBs you are using?

Very sexy work my friend, cant wait to see some vids of that beast.

[driftstyre]

DisEpyon,
They are throttle bodies, very modified GTiR ones:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt3SqmF8OcA

[forum04pl]

2011 prototype 240rs, good one "billy"

haha, looking sick bill.

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

I <3 your car
I'm subscribed
But we need more pictures of the whole car

[DJButton]

Awesome! Love the set-up, can't wait to check it out in person!

[Maximamike]

Pipe colored nicely and I bought another 240 hatch. Uh-oh.

[kuruptR]

amazaang...........

[idahotuner]

awesome build man. seems like an awefull amount of customizing for such low numbers and power. what are the goals with this build?

[forum04pl]

awesome build man. seems like an awefull amount of customizing for such low numbers and power. what are the goals with this build?

Power isn't all that low, he's on low boost on that map and more is to be had. Remember this is a DD dyno. Plus power to weight is his friend :bigok:

[DJButton]

awesome build man. seems like an awefull amount of customizing for such low numbers and power. what are the goals with this build?

Remember Ben, that's on the low boost set-up! Just preliminary tuning.

[Xracer]

awesome build man. seems like an awefull amount of customizing for such low numbers and power. what are the goals with this build?

One must remember that a dyno is a tuning tool. The power numbers produced from it are only relative to how the dyno is calibrated. You could take the same car to a different dyno and it may make 400whp, or 320whp for that matter.

[blu808]

I am speechless.

owowowoow.

[David Steele]

I got a question is there such a fitting thats quick disconnect and doesn't allwt fluid to drip out of the hose?

[Firestorm]

I got a question is there such a fitting thats quick disconnect and doesn't allwt fluid to drip out of the hose?

that's what the staubli fittings are for ;) those orange things in the pictures :) but those are hella expensive.

[95KA-Turbo]

Look at all that fun between 4200 and 5000rpms :yum:.

I hope I can see this in person at VIR again. Are you planning on running the HPDE in December? I am hoping my car will be together with the bilsteins and all by then!

[Xracer]

Are you only revving out to 6800? Or is that just for now?

[0100]

YouTube - 240RS Maxi E2 Dyno @ Low Boost (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt3SqmF8OcA)

Holy Fuck! :eek3d:

[rightcoastimports]

great work as always fellas... cant wait to see the 25lb run!

[blu808]

This video of your car on this uber unsafe track made me happy in pants.

YouTube - Dent Sport Garage 240RS Maxi Okemo Run 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id2f4DO2hyc&feature=related)

[David Steele]

that's what the staubli fittings are for ;) those orange things in the pictures :) but those are hella expensive.

Thanks. I've been looking for those for a while I just don't remember the name of them + rep. because I'll pay good money for that.

[driftstyre]

This video of your car on this uber unsafe track made me happy in pants.

YouTube - Dent Sport Garage 240RS Maxi Okemo Run 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id2f4DO2hyc&feature=related)

It was sweaty in my pants on that one. I only had a 3 layer nomex suit that I originally got for winter rallies. It's not too nice in the summer, though if I were burning alive, I would probably love it. Did you get the FC up to full power yet? It will probably be slow:coolugh:

[s13dan]

I saw that machine do a run on okemo and it was badass, i love that car. looks scary but thats half the fun.

[David Steele]

What happened in this photo?

IMG_2250 (http://www.dentsport.com/gallery/v/dsg/DEMO/bill240_001/action/IMG_2250.jpg.html)

[driftstyre]

that was a diff assplosion at the hillclimb. There are lots of areas where one wheel is off the ground.

[blu808]

Im about to do a run of cryo treated diffs, rings, pinions, etc. Do you want to get one?

[Firestorm]

Im about to do a run of cryo treated diffs, rings, pinions, etc. Do you want to get one?

what's the benefit of doing this? just curios.

[tunersedge]

what's the benefit of doing this? just curios.

Cryogenic treatment creates uniform 'hardness' across the part. The treatment provides a more durable part and also relieves stresses and improves the structure of the part.

the benefits...a stronger part that will last longer and can handle more stress then a non treated part.

try google if you would like more info.

[blu808]

it just makes em stronger

[driftstyre]

Im about to do a run of cryo treated diffs, rings, pinions, etc. Do you want to get one?

Luke,
Thank you for offering. I don't think I'll ever put enough power down to need an upgraded CWP. The welds let go on that diff (which was welded 4 years previously). I got some proper lessons in welding diffs from some rock crawling guys after that:) If you have any 4.6 CWPs, I would be interested in that.

I am upgrading to a Superlock OS diff in the next month or so. Its about time I went with a clutch type and the OS is the best on the market. I'm very excited to use it.

[blu808]

Wait so you have been using a welded diff all this time?

[Def]

Def,
They are Aeroquip. I am not sure exactly where they came from but I've seen them on military aircraft and thats where they supposedly came from. They were probably made as bespoke items for a specific plane. Used, you can pick these up for a decent cost, just have to look around for them. There is a tiny bit of leakage but no air is let into the system so if it were coolant or brakes, no bleeding is necessary. If you look at a relitively modern WRC there are about 100 quick disconnects throughout the car. The money adds up when new but second hand they are a great option. Jiffy-tite connections are pretty cheap for the quality of the parts. I think a -8 disconnect is $50 for both sides. A Staubli on the other hand is 130 for each side.

What do you use the AE Aeroquip stuff on? Whatever it is, it must be cool:)

A little bit of dripping shouldn't be a big deal for a car - sounds like you got a deal on 'em.

I work on the F-35 program doing fluids and thermal testing, but most of my job seems to have drifted away from engineering these days into more of a project management role. It gets annoying.

[driftstyre]

Wait so you have been using a welded diff all this time?

hahaha, yeah...

Def,
That is one of the most bad ass jobs I have heard of..the F35, DAMN!

[David Steele]

A little bit of dripping shouldn't be a big deal for a car - sounds like you got a deal on 'em.



The big deal is time and money.

[driftstyre]

The big deal is time and money.

Even staubli leak a tiny bit. The main concern is no air entering the system.

[GSXRJJordan]

Haha I can't believe you were using a welded diff on this technological masterpiece of a car. An OS diff would be tits, though.

BTW, I love the fact that you're here posting every day! Good on ya, sir.

[Def]

hahaha, yeah...

Def,
That is one of the most bad ass jobs I have heard of..the F35, DAMN!

It sounds way cooler than it is... :ugh:

But I guess it is neat to mess with $$$$$$ hardware now and then. I think I'd much rather do some engineering/design work on aftermarket parts, but that's a tough industry to get into and really "make it."



After you get the car back together you thought about doing some more aero work? You've probably got enough power to where that's where a lot of your time is to be had... well that and getting a good diff in there... haha

[S13_marine]

YouTube - Dent Sport Garage 240RS Maxi Okemo Run 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id2f4DO2hyc&feature=related)

brutal :bowdown:

[S13_marine]

We have had a plethora of new and used QD's just chilling in a cruise box forever. Nobody knows where the hell they came from. They were gonna toss 'em out, but i put them in our PEB in the shop. It's all aircraft stuff, we use 'em on the harriers, but there might be some useful sizes in there for somebody that wants 'em. I'll look into it tommorrow :naughty:

[SexPanda]

wow. Thats just scary.

[95KA-Turbo]

Luke,
Thank you for offering. I don't think I'll ever put enough power down to need an upgraded CWP. The welds let go on that diff (which was welded 4 years previously). I got some proper lessons in welding diffs from some rock crawling guys after that:) If you have any 4.6 CWPs, I would be interested in that.

I am upgrading to a Superlock OS diff in the next month or so. Its about time I went with a clutch type and the OS is the best on the market. I'm very excited to use it.

What kind of fluid are you going to run? I am running 75W-125 Mobil 1 in mine right now and it makes horrible noises, completely different then the old Nismo one I had. I was told the OS diffs are supposed to be extremely quiet. Mine will be some times and other times it make really scary noises. I didn't add any friction modifier to the fluid because the Mobil 1 said it was for LSDs...I am thinking maybe it isn't.

The diff locks up great though, I feel very confident when gripping and I have done two drift events on it so far and it is definitely just as good as a 2-way (I have the 1.5 way version).

[driftstyre]

It sounds way cooler than it is... :ugh:

But I guess it is neat to mess with $$$$$$ hardware now and then. I think I'd much rather do some engineering/design work on aftermarket parts, but that's a tough industry to get into and really "make it."



After you get the car back together you thought about doing some more aero work? You've probably got enough power to where that's where a lot of your time is to be had... well that and getting a good diff in there... haha

I have all the material now for the flat bottom so there should be some serious benefit in that. One of our customers has the molds from a stohr or dallara for the mid-rear tunnel...maybe I could make that work:) I've been looking a lot into group C aerodynamics and getting some information on adapting certain aspects to a tin top type racecar. This winter I will focus more on that...engine and suspension need to be sorted first. I'm also on 3 year old crappy tires. There is probably more time in new tires than anywhere else.

What kind of fluid are you going to run? I am running 75W-125 Mobil 1 in mine right now and it makes horrible noises, completely different then the old Nismo one I had. I was told the OS diffs are supposed to be extremely quiet. Mine will be some times and other times it make really scary noises. I didn't add any friction modifier to the fluid because the Mobil 1 said it was for LSDs...I am thinking maybe it isn't.

The diff locks up great though, I feel very confident when gripping and I have done two drift events on it so far and it is definitely just as good as a 2-way (I have the 1.5 way version).

After seeing all of the benefits of this differential over all other readily available clutch diffs, I was completely sold on it. Also, the fact that the diff ramp rates and lock up characteristics can be completely adjusted is awesome down the road.

We use Motul 90PA in all plated/clutch diff apps as it has a great friction modifier. I'd try a different fluid out and see what happens. The superlock also requires zero break in so I wouldn't worry about that. If you have any trouble, I can put you in touch with someone at OS here in the states.

We have had a plethora of new and used QD's just chilling in a cruise box forever. Nobody knows where the hell they came from. They were gonna toss 'em out, but i put them in our PEB in the shop. It's all aircraft stuff, we use 'em on the harriers, but there might be some useful sizes in there for somebody that wants 'em. I'll look into it tommorrow :naughty:

Woah sweet! Harriers are so badass. Send me a PM if you want to sell any of the QD's or any cool aircraft stuff:)
Here is my aircraft inspired handbrake handle.
GAU-8 30Mil Shell from A10
http://gallery.dentsport.com/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/brakes/image/960/DSCF6113.JPG

[Def]

Hell yea! 30mm shells rock your face off!

[forum04pl]

Bill that handbrake is so sick.

[David Steele]

Even staubli leak a tiny bit.

True for the fluid that gets caught in between.

[driftstyre]

Was going to try and make this test day yesterday (just to feel out the engine at low boost) but at 2am I gave up...still had to align it and a few other things. I did get some stuff done though. I fabricated the cage for the bumper/hood pins, lexan windshield is in, rear light blanks are mounted. Splitter mounting has commenced. I'm waiting on these stupid factory headlight covers which have been "on their way" for like 4 weeks. Anyone have any? I'm going to try to have the car ready to be painted by the end of next week:)

http://gallery.dentsport.com/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Aero/image/960/DSCF6123.JPG
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[awesomenick]

I'll trade you everything I own for that car. haha. :naughty:

[racepar1]

YouTube - Dent Sport Garage 240RS Maxi Okemo Run 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id2f4DO2hyc&feature=related)

brutal :bowdown:

WTF was that!!!??? Some kind of hillclimb event?

[SicBastard]

Mt. Okemo
Hosted by the Killington Sports Car Club (KSCC)
Okemo is located in Ludlow, Vermont at the Okemo Ski Area.

[240trooper]

Is ur 240rs , the FJ24det? is so siiccckkkk, it gunna take me to long to look threw 35 pages lol, nice wastegate dump great welds

[s13dan]

Im hoping you keep it white :) like a real race car. If you can i want to see some paint booth shots plz. Looking great either way keep us posted. Your threads are some of my favs, i love seeing the progress of a great build. And why dont you order some carbon headlamp covers? Easy to find, and light!

[DJButton]

Ohhh my. :snoop: <--- not sure if mr. "snizzle dizzle" applies, but ridiculous icon none-the-less as is your car, ridiculous in all the right ways, and certainly iconic!

[driftstyre]

Ohhh my. :snoop: <--- not sure if mr. "snizzle dizzle" applies, but ridiculous icon none-the-less as is your car, ridiculous in all the right ways, and certainly iconic!
If you ever come by the shop, you have to bring that wheel:)

Is ur 240rs , the FJ24det? is so siiccckkkk, it gunna take me to long to look threw 35 pages lol, nice wastegate dump great welds
I wish I had a crazy FJ but that would cost a fortune! Its a new age 240rs using a relatively basic built SR longblock:) Someday it will get a really built long block.

The new paint color:) Third generation calsonic blue.
http://gallery.dentsport.com/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/action/image/960/calsonic_blue.jpg

[RUTH'LESSDET]

man nice work love that car

[95KA-Turbo]

Where did you get the splitter material? I was contemplating making one for my car, cost dependent of course.

[irritatedmax]

calsonic blue is going to be the hotness. good choice.

is that the same style front bumper you used last time? for some reason, i was thinking it was msport style? any reason for the change? can't wait to see the before and after pics of version 1 vs version 2.

[dirtdiggler666]

what matriel are you using for the Splitter?

[racepar1]

what matriel are you using for the Splitter?

Ditto. Is that the same type/thickness of aluminum that is used on the road signs? I have heard that that material works quite well. Also how much would you estimate that thing weighs?. I was thinking of using some VERY thin aluminum sheet metal to make the undertray (from the bumper back) and only using about a 6"-8" strip around the edge for the actual splitter to save some weight. The downside is that I will probably lose some rigidity of the splitter.

[driftstyre]

Ditto. Is that the same type/thickness of aluminum that is used on the road signs? I have heard that that material works quite well. Also how much would you estimate that thing weighs?. I was thinking of using some VERY thin aluminum sheet metal to make the undertray (from the bumper back) and only using about a 6"-8" strip around the edge for the actual splitter to save some weight. The downside is that I will probably lose some rigidity of the splitter.

The splitter is alumilite. I've used it for many splitters and for the money it is the best material available. Its .25" plastic honeycomb sandwiched together with .010" aluminum. Very light and incredibly stiff. Any sign company can order it but its much cheaper to get at a warehouse type place.

The bumper is what I got after I crashed at summit point, before VIR last year. I did used to have the m-sports style one. I would like to make some new body work next year but we'll have to wait and see.

[burnsauto]

paint or powdercoat on the arms?

[dirtdiggler666]

would you suggest using alumilite for a full under body tray? and if you remember whats the cost on that stuff? thanks

[s13dan]

ooooo yea i can smell that delicouse third gen calsonic blue from here:yum:. I liked white but that blue looks great,close to the same color as my datsun pickup! ---What brand is it???

[driftstyre]

paint or powdercoat on the arms?
Thats rustoleum my friend. Rustoleum pro:)

ooooo yea i can smell that delicouse third gen calsonic blue from here:yum:. I liked white but that blue looks great,close to the same color as my datsun pickup! ---What brand is it???

Woah cool, a datsun pickup! I have no idea of the brand. I can ask my friend who is painting it.

would you suggest using alumilite for a full under body tray? and if you remember whats the cost on that stuff? thanks
You can use it for a full flat bottom. I think I've paid from 125-140 for a new 4x8 sheet.

[racepar1]

Rustoleum pro rocks! Shit's no joke. As for the alumilite, are you sure it is 1/4" thick? That seems awfully thick for a splitter to me.

[GSXRJJordan]

Rustoleum pro rocks! Shit's no joke. As for the alumilite, are you sure it is 1/4" thick? That seems awfully thick for a splitter to me.

It's all about the sammich.

The plastic is most of the thickness, and the aluminum is a super, super small part. Rigidity/weight/scratch (or scrape) resistance concerned, alumilite (or alumalite, however) is the shit.

I used .020" aluminum flashing (for rain gutters/etc) on exactly what you're thinking of using, and it worked great until the usual scrapes from being so low wore through the aluminum on the leading edge of the bumper... if I were to do it again, I'd probably use the alumilite sandwich.

[Def]

Thats rustoleum my friend. Rustoleum pro:)



Fuck yea Rustoleum Pro. My whole car is painted in that(roll on - ultra-gangsta).

[driftstyre]

Fuck yea Rustoleum Pro. My whole car is painted in that(roll on - ultra-gangsta).

You are ultra gangsta:) You gotta take some photos of what you work on:) Probably not allowed to post them though.

The splitter mount is done. Its all titanium and weighs 1.1 lbs! I still have to make the mounts for the rear corners of the splitter but it is more or less done. Now the rest of the underside/side skirts needs to be done.

Scott, who works for us is working on the rear and under aero of the car. He works for a Formula Continental team and has a lot more knowledge about aero and suspension than I do:)

http://gallery.dentsport.com/dsg-shopcars/bill240_001/Aero/image/960/DSCF6279.JPG

[SicBastard]

1.1 Lbs!?! Wow! Is the ti any more difficult to weld than aluminum? What do you use to fish mouth it?

And just wondering... Subjectively (or lap times) how much can you feel the addition of the front splitter?

That last pic is awesome!

[driftstyre]

Welding Ti is more or less the same technique as stainless, just a lot more annoying. The way Ti melts and moves when melted is different and likes to jump onto the tungsten.

The front splitter, if braced well, is a huge improvement. Its all about how far you take it. If you rivet it to your flimsey bumper, it probably will have a minimal effect. I felt a huge difference but once the aero is completed, the car should have a considerable amount of downforce for a tintop.

[Def]

You are ultra gangsta:) You gotta take some photos of what you work on:) Probably not allowed to post them though.



Pictures are a big no-no!

The Ti splitter mount looks awesome. You getting all the Ti surplus, or buying all that new(which is $$$) if you don't mind me asking?


It'd also be neat to build some kind of adjustability into the splitter mount so you can tune the front downforce just like rear wing angle. Then again, you're probably running it beyond 3", so any gains from extending it are going to be very small since you're well into the diminishing returns extension length.

[punxva]

Bill all i can say is this is looking amazing as usual, i am really digging the ti splitter mount and cant wait to see more updates.

[driftstyre]

Pictures are a big no-no!

The Ti splitter mount looks awesome. You getting all the Ti surplus, or buying all that new(which is $$$) if you don't mind me asking?


It'd also be neat to build some kind of adjustability into the splitter mount so you can tune the front downforce just like rear wing angle. Then again, you're probably running it beyond 3", so any gains from extending it are going to be very small since you're well into the diminishing returns extension length.

I figured that much:(

The Ti is surplus, reasonably cheap. My friend had a bunch of 3/8 tube so I lucked out. It is grade 2 so somewhat flexible, perfect for active aero:) Also, complete adjustability were designed into this splitter for height, pitch and the length protruding from the bumper (rake?). The aero will definitely be awesome when completed. I might as well take advantage of the rules (or lack thereof).

[Om1kron]

nice as always.....

[yota man]

Awesome work man. Your build keeps me awake while I'm in class. Just a question, and I know you probably mentioned it somewhere, but what series are you running in? I saw you mention rules or a lack there of and was just wondering.

[driftstyre]

Awesome work man. Your build keeps me awake while I'm in class. Just a question, and I know you probably mentioned it somewhere, but what series are you running in? I saw you mention rules or a lack there of and was just wondering.

Mainly redline time attack, hillclimb as well.

[SicBastard]

How about some net thrust for the rear radiators?

P51 Mustang Net Thrust - Net Downforce - Sport Compact Car Magazine (http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/editors/sccp_0808_p51_mustang_net_thrust_downforce/index.html)

[racepar1]

Pictures are a big no-no!

The Ti splitter mount looks awesome. You getting all the Ti surplus, or buying all that new(which is $$$) if you don't mind me asking?


It'd also be neat to build some kind of adjustability into the splitter mount so you can tune the front downforce just like rear wing angle. Then again, you're probably running it beyond 3", so any gains from extending it are going to be very small since you're well into the diminishing returns extension length.

According to nascar wind-tunnel testing on the car of tomorrow the optimal protrusion for the front splitter was 4" as I remember. Beyond that you just end up creating more drag.

[SoSideways]

According to nascar wind-tunnel testing on the car of tomorrow the optimal protrusion for the front splitter was 4" as I remember. Beyond that you just end up creating more drag.

Yeah but I'm sure ride height and front end shape plays a role as well.

What works for NASCAR might not work for Bill here...

[racepar1]

Yeah but I'm sure ride height and front end shape plays a role as well.

What works for NASCAR might not work for Bill here...

I think the ride heighths should be comparable. As for front end shape, I'm sure it does make a difference, but as a general rule of thumb it should work. I wouldn't go over 4" for sure.

[driftstyre]

Yeah but I'm sure ride height and front end shape plays a role as well.

What works for NASCAR might not work for Bill here...

The base protrusion is 4". For different conditions, it can be adjusted for more or less downforce. You can give up drag at lower speeds for the benefit of downforce, in the rain as well. Ive read some good articles on the COT and the majority of aero is designed for low drag and average speeds above 170. My averages should be between 100-120 depending on the track. I like mostly looking at GTP/Group C aero for inspiration:)

[SoSideways]

Well yeah, you did say it was adjustable.

I was just saying, that what works for NASCAR, which is mostly high speed left hand turns at WOT, will probably not work for you, since your're not on an open speedway with a million other cars trying to "draft" behind/in front of you.

What will work best for you, will more than likely be found by trial and error.

[blu808]

Are you on fire here at the end?

YouTube - Dent Sport Garage 240RS Maxi Okemo Final Run (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_fWdbTnMR4&feature=related)

[SoSideways]

Yeah he was. I forget what he said caught fire, but it was a small one and he "overreacted" he said lol

[dirtdiggler666]

small or not fire is the worst thing ever i would have fukin shit myself

[Def]

According to nascar wind-tunnel testing on the car of tomorrow the optimal protrusion for the front splitter was 4" as I remember. Beyond that you just end up creating more drag.

Like SoSideways said, the rest of the car matters too. But by 3" you're pretty much in the "diminishing returns" category though regardless of what's behind the splitter.

[Def]

The base protrusion is 4". For different conditions, it can be adjusted for more or less downforce. You can give up drag at lower speeds for the benefit of downforce, in the rain as well. Ive read some good articles on the COT and the majority of aero is designed for low drag and average speeds above 170. My averages should be between 100-120 depending on the track. I like mostly looking at GTP/Group C aero for inspiration:)

Group C cars still give me major engineer wood.

[racepar1]

Group C cars still give me major engineer wood.

LOL! "Engineer wood"...sweet!

[driftstyre]

Are you on fire here at the end?

YouTube - Dent Sport Garage 240RS Maxi Okemo Final Run (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_fWdbTnMR4&feature=related)

Oh yes my friend. The oil dipstick popped out and sprayed on the turbo. Fun. That run was really fast up until there as well.

[Om1kron]

Oh yes my friend. The oil dipstick popped out and sprayed on the turbo. Fun. That run was really fast up until there as well.

hahahaha "overreacted" you were trying so hard to get out of that harness LOL!!! funniest shit ever, glad you're safe.

[silvia13t14]

i need some yashio factory stuff and a ogura clutch

[SoSideways]

i need some yashio factory stuff and a ogura clutch

What? :wtf:

[Firestorm]

dunno if it was mentioned already, but what gearbox are you running, bill?

[Rayne]

dunno if it was mentioned already, but what gearbox are you running, bill?

It has been mentioned. Click here for the post where it was mentioned (http://zilvia.net/f/chat/174154-240rs-new-spec-update.html#post1787954)

[driftstyre]

The 240RS recieved a paint job yesterday courtesy of Modestas Latoza, the Lithuanian paintmaster (and Tom, the CZ tri-axle driver). It used to be 7 shades of white but now it finally looks "crispy", as my early 20's (down with the latest trends) friends Pierre and Russ would say. I think it will stand out. It is almost identical to the Porsche "mexico blue" that never came to the US. Adam HH at Magicrobots.com picked out the shade. Once the wheels are resprayed and the white vinyl installed, the exterior will be complete. I don't have the front or rear underaero (or the schrouding right after the front wheels) on in these pics so it looks a little off. High boost tuning and corner balancing/alignment will commence early in the week.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3213/2876665860_a296862710_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3173/2876661066_3de2a0ab66_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3253/2875832705_27a77d3807_b.jpg
Modestas, the painter
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3203/2876663300_7310789aef_b.jpg

[96Turbo]

looks pretty "crispy"!!!!! that first shot is sweet with the exhaust just poking out behind the wheel. upload pics once you get all the aero on!

[Fries]

I thought I saw a video VERY recently where you guys wrecked this car?

Does exhaust temps mess with the temp on the tires?

[blu808]

http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1232395/article_images/shakeandbake.jpg

[Def]

Looks good, but I would have probably chosen some GT3RS "frog green" if it were me.

Interested to see how fast this S13 can really go.

BTW - you still using the S13 rear subframe, or you go to the S14 one?

[LB.Motoring]

I donno, I liked white, but minty blue is fresh

[smellslikecurry]

wait hold on a second...i know this is something trivial in regards to this amazing build but...are you running a fram filter??

i always thought the general consensus was fram filters were made of toilet paper and didnt do shit...


they cant be all that bad if the dsg guys are using em

[Xracer]

For some reason your car reminds me of the old school Technix kit model cars. Anyways, color is super bright. If they cant hear you coming, they will defiantly see you.

[driftstyre]

I thought I saw a video VERY recently where you guys wrecked this car?

Does exhaust temps mess with the temp on the tires?

This time last year, the front suffered some damage. The exhaust is heatsheilded with 2800 degree material so the tire should be fine. We'll see on the track though.

[forum04pl]

crispy :yum:

[Xracer]

Your next big task should be to make some crazy functional aero for the car out of dry carbon. Something along the lines of a Super GT type body.

[Fries]

Good to hear, I saw a whole build thing on the car and fell in love with it. Then a friend showed me a video of the car wrecking.

When do you think the car will be back on the road?

[driftstyre]

Looks good, but I would have probably chosen some GT3RS "frog green" if it were me.

Interested to see how fast this S13 can really go.

BTW - you still using the S13 rear subframe, or you go to the S14 one?

I like that green too, but the blue has always been one of my favorites.
http://web.mac.com/scottlaw/iWeb/Site/Riviera_files/375496-IMG_0026.jpg

I'm interested as well:) And I am still using the S13 subframe. What is different about the S14 one?

i always thought the general consensus was fram filters were made of toilet paper and didnt do shit...

I'm pretty sure the HP1/HP4 Fram Racing Filters are used by more racers than any other in this country. They are also available at most part stores. I've heard plenty of people say they read somewhere on the internet that fram filters are made of paper so they can't be good. Every filter is made from some form of paper. I also use filters for only 200 miles or so and cut them open every time they are changed. They always look good to me.

[driftstyre]

http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1232395/article_images/shakeandbake.jpg

I can hear their voices in my head right now:)

[98koukile]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3173/2876661066_3de2a0ab66_b.jpg


All I can think of when I see this picture is that damn building, I went left when I could have just gone right and gotten straight to your shop haha.

[240trainee]

Fram HP1/HP4 filters are constructed differently from their current street filters, hence why they are still worth a shit.

[racepar1]

I'm not feeling the blue man, especially with the white wheels. It looks kinda like it belongs in the "smurfs" cartoon. With black wheels and more black trim/accents it would look good. The s-14 subframe has less anti-squat and a better toe curve. Unfortuanetly it is not a direct bolt-on solution though. You need off-center subframe bushings I believe and something tells me it would be a bit of a PITA to get it centered right.

[DJButton]

Very nice, crispy clean, love the blue!

[Dousan_PG]

that blue is radical
i love it
its so eye popping and bright!!

[blu808]

With that rear end still being chopped you have the potential for some radical rear angle on the rear diffuser for low speed stuff.

I cant wait to see this thing with some GTP type shit like we were talking about on the phone.

Lets see some innovation from the original wind tunnel ground effects car that Mario Andretti drove.

[Def]

I'm interested as well:) And I am still using the S13 subframe. What is different about the S14 one?



The S14 rear subframe has WAY less anti-squat than the S13(which seems to have "an asston" by eyeballing it and taking some rough measurements.

Not sure what the S13 toe curve is like, but Epstein measured the S14 toe curve with the traction rod shortened a bit and it was nice and flat.

The subframe is about 3/8" wider than the S13 one, but I'm sure with your fab skills/resources that's a minor issue.

[racepar1]

I have done some thinking and I have decided that I am not convinced that the fact that the s-14 rear toe curve has less overall toe change is necessarily a good thing. The s-13 curve gains more toe in under compression and loses more toe in under droop. This effectively increases the scrub angle of the rear tires, in relation to the direction of inertia, which in theory makes the rear of the car "fight" to stay in line more. It also allows you to run less static toe-in while retaining the same dynamic effects while cornering. That theoretically means the same corner exit speed (or more) with a higher speed at the end of the straight due to the reduced amount of rolling resistance thanks to the ability to run less static toe-in. I believe you want the right amount of toe change rather than the least amount of toe change.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

right in the smurfing parking lot?

that is freaking smurf.

[driftstyre]

right in the smurfing parking lot?

that is freaking smurf.

These mexican guys drove up and were like "it look like a smurf"

I love it:)

Luke,
I saw that Andretti Lotus at lime rock a few weeks ago. It was insane...side skirts and tunnels. We are working on the rear now but the potential for a long & tall diffuser is not there with the rear diff and sway bar. It will most likely start at the sway bar and head north at 12 degrees.
-Bill
240RS Smurf Maxi

[iwishiwas-all*]

you should get at kogington (sp) to make a custom front bumper to match height with those sides, I mean it looks semi-awkward with such a high front and flared stock front fenders ( i know ull figure out some air dam for the front, but I think you can circumvent that by making a fb the way you wanted)

was there any reason to put the the fender flares rather than some fiberglass 30mm's or something? we all wanna see this car on the track like nowwwwwwwww

[GhettoIced-t]

Does the DSG 240 remind anyone else of Haruguchi's FC3S? sorry if i diverted the conversation...but i had to ask.

[Ian]

no, not in any way

[240trainee]

Yea, no

I don't see it at all.

[driftstyre]

you should get at kogington (sp) to make a custom front bumper to match height with those sides, I mean it looks semi-awkward with such a high front and flared stock front fenders ( i know ull figure out some air dam for the front, but I think you can circumvent that by making a fb the way you wanted)

was there any reason to put the the fender flares rather than some fiberglass 30mm's or something? we all wanna see this car on the track like nowwwwwwwww

There is a whole section of front end that isn't on in those photos. I'm too cheap to buy fiberglass that actually looks good so I wanted the fit of the factory ones. I might make bodywork next year as well and the metal ones will work well to make molds. I want to get it on the track too! Thursday morning...

[driftstyre]

Does the DSG 240 remind anyone else of Haruguchi's FC3S? sorry if i diverted the conversation...but i had to ask.


There have been times when his car reminds me of mine for some reason. Now I know I'm not crazy. Koguchi and other self built drifters like Haruguchi were inspirational to me when first building my car. There weren't any S13 roadrace/time attack cars to get me fired up so koguchi's green/white car was what started my love of 180sx.

[Om1kron]

pretty please repaint those wheels black lol.

[eclip5e]

I thought I saw a video VERY recently where you guys wrecked this car??

that was probably this video:
Dent Sport Garage - 2007 Redline Time Attack / GT Live on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/1706800)

But we rebuilt the car in the pits in 1 hour, and had her on the track later in the afternoon. That was Sept 2007, and now the new specification is what you see here.

In other news... DSG has also gotten my car - the RASpec Impreza up and running as of late.

http://www.dentsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/leading5.jpg

345.9 wheel horse power
http://www.dentsport.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/ron_dyno1-626x480.jpg

More details (http://www.dentsport.com/tag/raspec/)

-love ron

[fly]

Is it just my eyes playing tricks Bill or is your car higher in front?

Can't wait to see this car again at VIR...10 days!

[forum04pl]

I didn't even realize you went back to stock fenders. I have some extras if you need them haha. So what happened to the fiberglass ones?