Updates on 2jz swap (mounts) (S14)

[timlush]

I swear I remember reading somewhere that people were using stock mounts with the 2j. All I can find when I search is discussion of the $1500 kit from tech2. So what's the deal? No way I am paying that much for mounts. If I can't use the stock mounts, I will have some made.

Also, what is a reputable company from which to source the engine. I see people are getting engine/ecu/harness for around $1500 these days....

Any other comments about the swap would be appreciated.

Thanks

[timlush]

No one knows?

[i need tires]

its not the mounts.. its the kit. you get custom xmember.. 1-piece driftshaft and mounts... my friend bought this kit for his 2j s14 swap

you can USE the stock mounts.. but you cant used the stock xmember.. it needs to be modified.


** 1500 for a 2j??? but be blown. SR long blocks sell for 1k ish.. so im sure a 2j long block or short.. sells for 1500

my friend paid 2500+500 for the r154 tranny.

[GSXRJJordan]

Yeah even if you use the stock mounts, you'd need to cut/box the crossmember (which is do-able) and order up a 1pc driveshaft. The "bolt in" solutions always cost an arm and a leg lol.

[timlush]

jdm-online.com has JDM 2jzgte engine sets with auto tranny for $1899 + shipping

The $1500 I got from ebay (just from pricing them, would never order form there)

[i need tires]

jdm-online.com has JDM 2jzgte engine sets with auto tranny for $1899 + shipping

The $1500 I got from ebay (just from pricing them, would never order form there)

i would recommend getting a front clip... engine sets arent always good.. you dont know the mileage. and you knows how long the engine has been sitting. and you cant start an engine set.. you can just at it and HOPE it run!

my buddy got his clip for 2500 well worth it because we KNOW it runs so if it goes in the car and doesnt.. its something we did lol

[Prok0]

Search on FA, Duy has a 2J s14 and I remember him saying he used stock metal supra mount brackets with nismo rubber mounts, and then simply slotted out the mount hole on the x-member.
Provided you have a front sump motor he said it would drop in, then all you do is make a trans bracket and driveshaft.

[GSXRJJordan]

Wow, I'm now going to hunt on FA for his car... I remember Duy's car... I didn't think he used the stock crossmember, did he flip it around at least?

Also, yeah, get a clip. You'll end up needing a bunch of stuff out of it, plus you can be more certain that it's complete.

And with the Toyota stuff, sure you can find stuff front clips/engine sets with auto trannies, but all three manual tranny options suck - the w58 (came in US-spec 2JZ-GE) sucks balls, the r154 (came in JDM 3G Supras and Soarers on the 1JZ-GTE) can only handle about 400hp, and the true 2JZ-GTE 6spd costs upwards of $1k. Ouch.

[timlush]

Also, yeah, get a clip. You'll end up needing a bunch of stuff out of it,


What 'bunch of stuff' will I need besides the engine/harness?

[GSXRJJordan]

Well, it's the stuff you don't list that you end up needing. I know it sounds ambiguous, but seriously, you never know exactly what you need from the donor car until you try and put an incomplete engine set into your car and realize that you're missing a lower harness/power steering part/etc.

The other thing is, if you buy a clip, you can be more certain about the condition of the parts. You never know with either of them if they're good as advertised, but at least in a clip you can make sure you have everything, and check mileage if the cluster is intact.

[timlush]

Who sells clips? I haven't been in the engine buying market for a few years now. Is $2500 about what I should expect to pay?

[i need tires]

Who sells clips? I haven't been in the engine buying market for a few years now. Is $2500 about what I should expect to pay?

if you want to contact a place here in Arizona call Fueled Performance, they sell clips.. the price has gone up i think. i think the 2j clip is around 3k now.

why do you want to do a 2j anyways? only people with big pockets deserve to do this kind of swap.

[LowNismo17]

$2500 for an auto 2jz. The 2J's with aristo R154 goes for around $3500.Who sells clips? I haven't been in the engine buying market for a few years now. Is $2500 about what I should expect to pay?

[GSXRJJordan]

^^^ I believe those prices to be correct. Keep in mind that if you're getting a 2JZ-GTE out of an Aristo, it's not twin, sequential turbo like the supras - it's a single T51 I believe. Really doesn't matter if you're replacing the turbo(s) anyway, just FYI :)

[i need tires]

^^^ I believe those prices to be correct. Keep in mind that if you're getting a 2JZ-GTE out of an Aristo, it's not twin, sequential turbo like the supras - it's a single T51 I believe. Really doesn't matter if you're replacing the turbo(s) anyway, just FYI :)

no the Aristo is a twin turbo also.

**copied from Venus-Auto.com
"94-96 toyota aristo jzx147 2jz-gtte (dohc with twin turbo) complete motor + ecu + wire harness 280hp"

i also had a 2j out of an aristo in my garage :)

[Viggs]

I'm doing a 1jz swap in my s13, I will be starting one of those project threads in a few days. I will include all the details on how to do the swap WITHOUT tech2 and all the crap they sell. Wiring Also. GSXRJJordan is kind of on the right track with saying that "bolt-in" solutions are expensive, but U CAN do it for less than 1500. And also the R154 trans holds 700hp not 400, thats straight off of the tech archives on Supra Forums. Oh and before someone jumps on this...the 1jz and 2jz mounts are exactly the same. Thus why you can swap the 2jz block with the 1jz head and make a 1.5jz without modifying....anything.
Here are some prices:
Custom Mounts: 400
Driveshaft: 250
Custom FMIC piping: 200
Custom 3" Exhaust(Not including mufflers or silencers): 250
Aristo Front sump oil setup: 175
Walbro Pump: 85
USDM 2jz water pump: 150

There is a lot of misc. too. Gaskets that need replacing, belts, hoses, wire, solder, heatshrink, etc.
I know I left a whole bunch of stuff out but....I'm in a hurry.
If your doing a 2jz, you need the Ass half of the 1jz motorset to make it fit. Meaning:1jz bellhousing, flywheel, R154, 7mgte or 1jz Clutch. The 6 speed trans is just too big to fit in the tunnel....or so I've read. And another bummer....the r154 shifter doesnt line up with the hole unless its a Soarer r154.

[azndoc]

For the wiring stuff you can also go through Drew. He has someone that will do it. You ship it to him, pay him and he ships it back.

I used to deal with him a lot back in the days.

Cool guy.

I think its something about the placement of the shifter if you don't use their crossmember. I think it's like if you use stock then it sits up front more and you have to cut the hole bigger to accomedate and with their kit you don't have to.

Ah can't remember for sure. I'm an idiot.

[i need tires]

I'm doing a 1jz swap in my s13, I will be starting one of those project threads in a few days. I will include all the details on how to do the swap WITHOUT tech2 and all the crap they sell. Wiring Also. GSXRJJordan is kind of on the right track with saying that "bolt-in" solutions are expensive, but U CAN do it for less than 1500. And also the R154 trans holds 700hp not 400, thats straight off of the tech archives on Supra Forums. Oh and before someone jumps on this...the 1jz and 2jz mounts are exactly the same. Thus why you can swap the 2jz block with the 1jz head and make a 1.5jz without modifying....anything.
Here are some prices:
Custom Mounts: 400
Driveshaft: 250
Custom FMIC piping: 200
Custom 3" Exhaust(Not including mufflers or silencers): 250
Aristo Front sump oil setup: 175
Walbro Pump: 85
USDM 2jz water pump: 150

There is a lot of misc. too. Gaskets that need replacing, belts, hoses, wire, solder, heatshrink, etc.
I know I left a whole bunch of stuff out but....I'm in a hurry.
If your doing a 2jz, you need the Ass half of the 1jz motorset to make it fit. Meaning:1jz bellhousing, flywheel, R154, 7mgte or 1jz Clutch. The 6 speed trans is just too big to fit in the tunnel....or so I've read. And another bummer....the r154 shifter doesnt line up with the hole unless its a Soarer r154.

this guy knows his shit!! if you have the ability to do custom fabbing ask him for the answers

[mojos13]

I'm in the process of doing a 1JZ into an S13 and the place you wanna go to for info is www.2jzswap.com (http://www.2jzswap.com) their kit is mucho bucks, but the info is free!!!!!!!..lol

[Viggs]

Azndoc....in regards to the wiring, there are two places that I know that will do it. One is on ebay, calls himself Dr. Tweak. He charges 450 for plug and play but you have to send him both the KA and JZ harness as donors. I thought it was too much, so I dug up all the schematics, made myself a little black box that converts the tach signal and the speedo pulses to utilize the stock gauges and started soldering. For the shifter location, not matter how you do it, you must extend it, tech2 can do it for 250, or once again...bust out the welder. Unless of course u have a soarer r154 which is noticably different. Its only off center by about a 1.5" though if you want to choose to not even bother.

[Viggs]

Mojo is dead nuts on, its info galore over there, but they don't tell you any alternatives to their kit.

[timlush]

So which engine has the front sump setup? Supra or Aristo?

[Viggs]

Aristo 2j's have it and Chaser 1j's do as well. Supra's have the rear sump and I'm not sure which sump the soarer is.

[timlush]

So basically either I need to get an Aristo engine or else a Supra engine and then get the Aristo sump setup and I won't have to hack up the crossmember?

[Viggs]

That's correct, but you will still have to make up some kind of mount. The mounts that I have bolt to the block and then to the top of the Stock KA or Nismo mounts. No crossmember mod needed. I once read somewhere that it is possible to take out the rubber part of the stock 2jz mounts and bolt whats left directly to the crossmember. That would mean it has no vibration elimation though. Thats just what I read once, I have no clue if its fact or not.

[GSXRJJordan]

Sounds about right ~ and my apologies about the hp rating on the R154 - mixed it up with the w58 nums (I'm workin on my roommate's SC300/3G Supra 1JZ swap). This thread is actually extremely helpful :)

[timlush]

That's correct, but you will still have to make up some kind of mount. The mounts that I have bolt to the block and then to the top of the Stock KA or Nismo mounts. No crossmember mod needed. I once read somewhere that it is possible to take out the rubber part of the stock 2jz mounts and bolt whats left directly to the crossmember. That would mean it has no vibration elimation though. Thats just what I read once, I have no clue if its fact or not.

Yeah, I know I will have to put together the mounts and maybe drill out the crossmember holes. As far as hacking it up, I meant for oil pan clearance.

What is all needed to make it front sump? I'm guessing just the pan and pick up?

Thanks everyone, there are no threads out there with this kind of info that I could find. It's good to get it all in one thread.

[slideways2004]

garage works once made a set of mounts that were badass. they used the stock 240sx mounts so you can choose what mounts you want to use as far as quality and stiffness goes. they required no cutting and sat the motor as far back and as low as possible i have ever seen in an S chassis. i think the guy who had them told me they were one-off. if somebody in california could talk to garage works to produce them that would be swell

[slideways2004]

pics from cfinch

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/cfinch702/P6120168.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/cfinch702/P6120166.jpg

[Viggs]

I bought those exact mounts from cfinch.

[mojos13]

I bought my 1Jz from venus with a R154 told the guy i needed a front sump oil pan and he indluded it as an extra pan at no charge, cost me $1500 plus shipping...i'm happy!

[slideways2004]

I bought those exact mounts from cfinch.

you bought just the mounts?? he told me he wouldn't separate. damnit

[Viggs]

Tim...you will need the Upper and lower pans(the upper is the big aluminum one and the lower is the black steel one) also the baffle and pickup. Mojo you paid 1500+shipping!?!?!?With the front sump! I paid 2300 from JDMsource in calgary for a rear sump and 175 for the front sump setup from a guy on supra forums. You practically stole that motorset! Slideways....yea, I got just the mounts. I offered him 300 for them and he said no and said he was selling them to someone else for 400. About a month later he asked me if I still wanted them and I snatched em up.

[timlush]

Those mounts look awesome and also look rather simple to duplicate.

Viggs-is your engine in the car currently?

[Viggs]

Currently no. I'm waiting for a break from the below freezing temperatures here.

[300hp owen]

what reasons are you guys using to want to go 2jz instead of RB20/25 motors?

just asking.
looks like an easy enough install and not much hacking but I would be pissed to have a 2jz and not be able to fit the 6speed in the tunnel, that tranny is half the fun of the 2jz (for me), just like the LS1T56 swaps as an entire package, I would never want one with a 5 speed or an auto, yuck, and weak.

[foelg]

just put an ls1 in there and be done with it :)

[timlush]

Currently no. I'm waiting for a break from the below freezing temperatures here.

You should send me some detailed measurements on those mounts :naughty:

[Viggs]

Owen, I see your in western NY. Maybe you should stop by after the salt washes off the road and see for yourself. I have no clue why I went 1j. The idea was planted in my head by my college roomate and I never let it go.

[Acidz]

can fit the 6speed but the tranny alone is about $2000+

[GSXRJJordan]

The 1JZ motor is incredibly fun in a light car - very responsive and rev happy, much like a RB25. Rb's are expensive, 1JZ front clips in great shape can be had for $2500 any day of the week out here. Then it's just mounts and a driveshaft. Very similar to an RB swap, but with a downpipe/front mount/boost controller, the stock twins (even with their gay ass ceramic/iconel turbine wheels) at 14psi can make 400whp on a 1JZ. That kind of bang for the buck can't be found this side of an SR swap - so if you want to be different, 1JZ is not a bad way to go.

2JZ is more torque, plus it's possible to be legal. MUCH more money though for a 2JZ-GTE, so lots of guys go NA-T for a ~500hp setup without too much drama. One local guy here might buy my spare 2JZ-GE w/it's w58 and stay NA/smog legal for ~270hp in his S13 vert, with a total investment of less than $2k... stay tuned.

Oh, and measurement for those mounts CFinch made at some Palmdale shop (don't think it was Garagewerks) would be highly appreciated.

[timlush]

If I got everything from an Aristo (auto tranny) would I have to get a manual ECU and harness or just ECU?

[timlush]

The 1JZ motor is incredibly fun in a light car -

So, if I went 1jz, it would come with the correct tranny to fit in an S14, right? Would it still need a shifter extension?

[RUTH'LESSDET]

Cant wait to see that swap thread viggs

[GSXRJJordan]

Check out CFinch's build thread - there's at least a couple others on here. I believe only slight shifter mods are req'd (cut a couple inches out of the tunnel/hole).

[300hp owen]

interesting, the 1jz sounds like a winner for that low of a cost, very cool.

Viggs, yes indeed I would be down to meet up and see it in person, I'll cruise out in the LS1rx7 so we can have some fun. :)

[kernel]

If I got everything from an Aristo (auto tranny) would I have to get a manual ECU and harness or just ECU?

Sean from tech2 said we can run the automatic ECU/WIRING with a R154 transmission without any problem. You need to wire the Neutral park switch if you wanna use it and if you still want to have your back-up light, you need to wire up them also.

5-speed ECU are from 1JZ-GTE so I don't think it would work on 2JZ-GTE wiring and 6-speed ECU are kinda rare and expensive. If you get the 6speed ECU, you should get the manuel wiring also but you'll still need to wire up some plug for neutral park switch/back-up light. I don't know if they share the same plugs/lower wiring

Anyway, I'm using a R154 with Aristo 2JZ-GTE Automatic wiring/ecu for my swap

[cws14]

There are lots of price differences with the 2JZ-GTE motors. The cheap GTE motors are the Aristo GTE motors. They have smaller ceramic turbos, cams, injectors, water pumps, oil pans and a few other small details. They are still sequential turbos but are slightly different (usually smaller everything).

There is also the JDM Supra GTE motor which still has the different parts listed above. The most expensive will be the US spec Supra which has more powerful steel turbos and all the different parts listed above.

The 6spd transmission alone goes for $3500 used (if you can find one) and just under $5,000 new. I opted to buy a new one because I couldnt find one. The flud alone is $90 for two quarts! But they can handle 1500whp all day long.

If you have any other Supra questions feel free to ask. I have on if you didnt notice already.

Chris

[turtle m3th]

I am thinking about going the na-t route myself for smog purposes. Here is a decent link i found with a na-t 240 build up. http://www.2jzswap.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=262&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[turtle m3th]

Curious as to whether anyone know the weight of a 2jzge motor or not?

[Viggs]

I searched this for you on supraforums...with accessories(No trans)...about 595 pounds. Give or take a few.

[slideways2004]

I searched this for you on supraforums...with accessories(No trans)...about 595 pounds. Give or take a few.

isn't that pretty heavy?? what does the KA weigh in at??

[Viggs]

KA weight is 371 pounds....http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=299879&postid=3314980 I guess you could take the weight of the KA and multiply it by 1.5 and that would get you close to what a Inline 6 of the same materials would weigh. That would be...557. So 595 doesn't sound too outrageous.

[ByeByeSti]

ive wanted to do a 2jz swap for so long on a s14. i finally bought my s14 back in december and now getting ready to put a motor in it just cant decide which, id much rather go with a 2jz but last time i looked around for a clip off a supra it was like 4500 which steered me away from it badly. i dont want to build sr, or put a rb25 in cuz there a bitch to get parts for compared to a ka or sr or 2jz. but ya anyways what would the cost for a clip+ 1 piece drive shaft+ what ever else is needed besides fmic and exhaust. and i could have motor mounts made but on a scale of 1-10 how difficult is this swap compared to others. and what would a reputable dealer be for clips?