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timlush · 01-19-2008, 11:27 AM

I swear I remember reading somewhere that people were using stock mounts with the 2j. All I can find when I search is discussion of the $1500 kit from tech2. So what's the deal? No way I am paying that much for mounts. If I can't use the stock mounts, I will have some made.

Also, what is a reputable company from which to source the engine. I see people are getting engine/ecu/harness for around $1500 these days....

Any other comments about the swap would be appreciated.

Thanks

timlush · 01-19-2008, 09:45 PM

No one knows?

i need tires · 01-19-2008, 09:48 PM

its not the mounts.. its the kit. you get custom xmember.. 1-piece driftshaft and mounts... my friend bought this kit for his 2j s14 swap

you can USE the stock mounts.. but you cant used the stock xmember.. it needs to be modified.

** 1500 for a 2j??? but be blown. SR long blocks sell for 1k ish.. so im sure a 2j long block or short.. sells for 1500

my friend paid 2500+500 for the r154 tranny.

GSXRJJordan · 01-19-2008, 09:52 PM

Yeah even if you use the stock mounts, you'd need to cut/box the crossmember (which is do-able) and order up a 1pc driveshaft. The "bolt in" solutions always cost an arm and a leg lol.

timlush · 01-19-2008, 10:18 PM

jdm-online.com has JDM 2jzgte engine sets with auto tranny for $1899 + shipping

The $1500 I got from ebay (just from pricing them, would never order form there)

i need tires · 01-20-2008, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timlush

jdm-online.com has JDM 2jzgte engine sets with auto tranny for $1899 + shipping

The $1500 I got from ebay (just from pricing them, would never order form there)

i would recommend getting a front clip... engine sets arent always good.. you dont know the mileage. and you knows how long the engine has been sitting. and you cant start an engine set.. you can just at it and HOPE it run!

my buddy got his clip for 2500 well worth it because we KNOW it runs so if it goes in the car and doesnt.. its something we did lol

Prok0 · 01-20-2008, 11:55 AM

Search on FA, Duy has a 2J s14 and I remember him saying he used stock metal supra mount brackets with nismo rubber mounts, and then simply slotted out the mount hole on the x-member.
Provided you have a front sump motor he said it would drop in, then all you do is make a trans bracket and driveshaft.

GSXRJJordan · 01-20-2008, 03:54 PM

Wow, I'm now going to hunt on FA for his car... I remember Duy's car... I didn't think he used the stock crossmember, did he flip it around at least?

Also, yeah, get a clip. You'll end up needing a bunch of stuff out of it, plus you can be more certain that it's complete.

And with the Toyota stuff, sure you can find stuff front clips/engine sets with auto trannies, but all three manual tranny options suck - the w58 (came in US-spec 2JZ-GE) sucks balls, the r154 (came in JDM 3G Supras and Soarers on the 1JZ-GTE) can only handle about 400hp, and the true 2JZ-GTE 6spd costs upwards of $1k. Ouch.

timlush · 01-20-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Also, yeah, get a clip. You'll end up needing a bunch of stuff out of it,

What 'bunch of stuff' will I need besides the engine/harness?

GSXRJJordan · 01-20-2008, 07:17 PM

Well, it's the stuff you don't list that you end up needing. I know it sounds ambiguous, but seriously, you never know exactly what you need from the donor car until you try and put an incomplete engine set into your car and realize that you're missing a lower harness/power steering part/etc.

The other thing is, if you buy a clip, you can be more certain about the condition of the parts. You never know with either of them if they're good as advertised, but at least in a clip you can make sure you have everything, and check mileage if the cluster is intact.

timlush · 01-20-2008, 08:52 PM

Who sells clips? I haven't been in the engine buying market for a few years now. Is $2500 about what I should expect to pay?

i need tires · 01-20-2008, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timlush

Who sells clips? I haven't been in the engine buying market for a few years now. Is $2500 about what I should expect to pay?

if you want to contact a place here in Arizona call Fueled Performance, they sell clips.. the price has gone up i think. i think the 2j clip is around 3k now.

why do you want to do a 2j anyways? only people with big pockets deserve to do this kind of swap.

LowNismo17 · 01-20-2008, 09:55 PM

$2500 for an auto 2jz. The 2J's with aristo R154 goes for around $3500.

Quote:

Originally Posted by timlush

Who sells clips? I haven't been in the engine buying market for a few years now. Is $2500 about what I should expect to pay?

GSXRJJordan · 01-20-2008, 10:04 PM

^^^ I believe those prices to be correct. Keep in mind that if you're getting a 2JZ-GTE out of an Aristo, it's not twin, sequential turbo like the supras - it's a single T51 I believe. Really doesn't matter if you're replacing the turbo(s) anyway, just FYI

i need tires · 01-21-2008, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

^^^ I believe those prices to be correct. Keep in mind that if you're getting a 2JZ-GTE out of an Aristo, it's not twin, sequential turbo like the supras - it's a single T51 I believe. Really doesn't matter if you're replacing the turbo(s) anyway, just FYI

no the Aristo is a twin turbo also.

**copied from Venus-Auto.com
"94-96 toyota aristo jzx147 2jz-gtte (dohc with twin turbo) complete motor + ecu + wire harness 280hp"

i also had a 2j out of an aristo in my garage

Viggs · 01-21-2008, 01:25 PM

I'm doing a 1jz swap in my s13, I will be starting one of those project threads in a few days. I will include all the details on how to do the swap WITHOUT tech2 and all the crap they sell. Wiring Also. GSXRJJordan is kind of on the right track with saying that "bolt-in" solutions are expensive, but U CAN do it for less than 1500. And also the R154 trans holds 700hp not 400, thats straight off of the tech archives on Supra Forums. Oh and before someone jumps on this...the 1jz and 2jz mounts are exactly the same. Thus why you can swap the 2jz block with the 1jz head and make a 1.5jz without modifying....anything.
Here are some prices:
Custom Mounts: 400
Driveshaft: 250
Custom FMIC piping: 200
Custom 3" Exhaust(Not including mufflers or silencers): 250
Aristo Front sump oil setup: 175
Walbro Pump: 85
USDM 2jz water pump: 150

There is a lot of misc. too. Gaskets that need replacing, belts, hoses, wire, solder, heatshrink, etc.
I know I left a whole bunch of stuff out but....I'm in a hurry.
If your doing a 2jz, you need the Ass half of the 1jz motorset to make it fit. Meaning:1jz bellhousing, flywheel, R154, 7mgte or 1jz Clutch. The 6 speed trans is just too big to fit in the tunnel....or so I've read. And another bummer....the r154 shifter doesnt line up with the hole unless its a Soarer r154.

azndoc · 01-21-2008, 01:29 PM

For the wiring stuff you can also go through Drew. He has someone that will do it. You ship it to him, pay him and he ships it back.

I used to deal with him a lot back in the days.

Cool guy.

I think its something about the placement of the shifter if you don't use their crossmember. I think it's like if you use stock then it sits up front more and you have to cut the hole bigger to accomedate and with their kit you don't have to.

Ah can't remember for sure. I'm an idiot.

i need tires · 01-21-2008, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viggs

I'm doing a 1jz swap in my s13, I will be starting one of those project threads in a few days. I will include all the details on how to do the swap WITHOUT tech2 and all the crap they sell. Wiring Also. GSXRJJordan is kind of on the right track with saying that "bolt-in" solutions are expensive, but U CAN do it for less than 1500. And also the R154 trans holds 700hp not 400, thats straight off of the tech archives on Supra Forums. Oh and before someone jumps on this...the 1jz and 2jz mounts are exactly the same. Thus why you can swap the 2jz block with the 1jz head and make a 1.5jz without modifying....anything.
Here are some prices:
Custom Mounts: 400
Driveshaft: 250
Custom FMIC piping: 200
Custom 3" Exhaust(Not including mufflers or silencers): 250
Aristo Front sump oil setup: 175
Walbro Pump: 85
USDM 2jz water pump: 150

There is a lot of misc. too. Gaskets that need replacing, belts, hoses, wire, solder, heatshrink, etc.
I know I left a whole bunch of stuff out but....I'm in a hurry.
If your doing a 2jz, you need the Ass half of the 1jz motorset to make it fit. Meaning:1jz bellhousing, flywheel, R154, 7mgte or 1jz Clutch. The 6 speed trans is just too big to fit in the tunnel....or so I've read. And another bummer....the r154 shifter doesnt line up with the hole unless its a Soarer r154.

this guy knows his shit!! if you have the ability to do custom fabbing ask him for the answers

mojos13 · 01-21-2008, 02:00 PM

I'm in the process of doing a 1JZ into an S13 and the place you wanna go to for info is www.2jzswap.com their kit is mucho bucks, but the info is free!!!!!!!..lol

Viggs · 01-21-2008, 02:03 PM

Azndoc....in regards to the wiring, there are two places that I know that will do it. One is on ebay, calls himself Dr. Tweak. He charges 450 for plug and play but you have to send him both the KA and JZ harness as donors. I thought it was too much, so I dug up all the schematics, made myself a little black box that converts the tach signal and the speedo pulses to utilize the stock gauges and started soldering. For the shifter location, not matter how you do it, you must extend it, tech2 can do it for 250, or once again...bust out the welder. Unless of course u have a soarer r154 which is noticably different. Its only off center by about a 1.5" though if you want to choose to not even bother.

Viggs · 01-21-2008, 02:05 PM

Mojo is dead nuts on, its info galore over there, but they don't tell you any alternatives to their kit.

timlush · 01-21-2008, 04:23 PM

So which engine has the front sump setup? Supra or Aristo?

Viggs · 01-21-2008, 04:29 PM

Aristo 2j's have it and Chaser 1j's do as well. Supra's have the rear sump and I'm not sure which sump the soarer is.

timlush · 01-21-2008, 04:39 PM

So basically either I need to get an Aristo engine or else a Supra engine and then get the Aristo sump setup and I won't have to hack up the crossmember?

Viggs · 01-21-2008, 05:40 PM

That's correct, but you will still have to make up some kind of mount. The mounts that I have bolt to the block and then to the top of the Stock KA or Nismo mounts. No crossmember mod needed. I once read somewhere that it is possible to take out the rubber part of the stock 2jz mounts and bolt whats left directly to the crossmember. That would mean it has no vibration elimation though. Thats just what I read once, I have no clue if its fact or not.

GSXRJJordan · 01-21-2008, 05:42 PM

Sounds about right ~ and my apologies about the hp rating on the R154 - mixed it up with the w58 nums (I'm workin on my roommate's SC300/3G Supra 1JZ swap). This thread is actually extremely helpful

timlush · 01-21-2008, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viggs

That's correct, but you will still have to make up some kind of mount. The mounts that I have bolt to the block and then to the top of the Stock KA or Nismo mounts. No crossmember mod needed. I once read somewhere that it is possible to take out the rubber part of the stock 2jz mounts and bolt whats left directly to the crossmember. That would mean it has no vibration elimation though. Thats just what I read once, I have no clue if its fact or not.

Yeah, I know I will have to put together the mounts and maybe drill out the crossmember holes. As far as hacking it up, I meant for oil pan clearance.

What is all needed to make it front sump? I'm guessing just the pan and pick up?

Thanks everyone, there are no threads out there with this kind of info that I could find. It's good to get it all in one thread.

slideways2004 · 01-21-2008, 05:52 PM

garage works once made a set of mounts that were badass. they used the stock 240sx mounts so you can choose what mounts you want to use as far as quality and stiffness goes. they required no cutting and sat the motor as far back and as low as possible i have ever seen in an S chassis. i think the guy who had them told me they were one-off. if somebody in california could talk to garage works to produce them that would be swell

slideways2004 · 01-21-2008, 05:56 PM

pics from cfinch

Viggs · 01-21-2008, 06:04 PM

I bought those exact mounts from cfinch.

01-19-2008, 11:27 AM	#1
timlush Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Louisville, KY Age: 36 Posts: 1,169 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Updates on 2jz swap (mounts) (S14) I swear I remember reading somewhere that people were using stock mounts with the 2j. All I can find when I search is discussion of the $1500 kit from tech2. So what's the deal? No way I am paying that much for mounts. If I can't use the stock mounts, I will have some made. Also, what is a reputable company from which to source the engine. I see people are getting engine/ecu/harness for around $1500 these days.... Any other comments about the swap would be appreciated. Thanks

01-19-2008, 09:48 PM	#3
i need tires Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chandler, Az Age: 34 Posts: 1,056 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	its not the mounts.. its the kit. you get custom xmember.. 1-piece driftshaft and mounts... my friend bought this kit for his 2j s14 swap you can USE the stock mounts.. but you cant used the stock xmember.. it needs to be modified. ** 1500 for a 2j??? but be blown. SR long blocks sell for 1k ish.. so im sure a 2j long block or short.. sells for 1500 my friend paid 2500+500 for the r154 tranny. __________________ JadeCantDrift Blogspot

01-19-2008, 09:52 PM	#4
GSXRJJordan Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: << 626 >> Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Yeah even if you use the stock mounts, you'd need to cut/box the crossmember (which is do-able) and order up a 1pc driveshaft. The "bolt in" solutions always cost an arm and a leg lol. __________________ Jordan Innovations has a new web site! www.JordanInnovations.com -- All your favorite FD Pro Drifters love it, trust me -- www.JordanInnovations.com

01-20-2008, 11:55 AM	#7
Prok0 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: FL Age: 34 Posts: 376 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Search on FA, Duy has a 2J s14 and I remember him saying he used stock metal supra mount brackets with nismo rubber mounts, and then simply slotted out the mount hole on the x-member. Provided you have a front sump motor he said it would drop in, then all you do is make a trans bracket and driveshaft. __________________ Sales @ Enjuku email:[email protected] phone:352-241-8399

01-20-2008, 03:54 PM	#8
GSXRJJordan Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: << 626 >> Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Wow, I'm now going to hunt on FA for his car... I remember Duy's car... I didn't think he used the stock crossmember, did he flip it around at least? Also, yeah, get a clip. You'll end up needing a bunch of stuff out of it, plus you can be more certain that it's complete. And with the Toyota stuff, sure you can find stuff front clips/engine sets with auto trannies, but all three manual tranny options suck - the w58 (came in US-spec 2JZ-GE) sucks balls, the r154 (came in JDM 3G Supras and Soarers on the 1JZ-GTE) can only handle about 400hp, and the true 2JZ-GTE 6spd costs upwards of $1k. Ouch. __________________ Jordan Innovations has a new web site! www.JordanInnovations.com -- All your favorite FD Pro Drifters love it, trust me -- www.JordanInnovations.com

01-19-2008, 09:45 PM	#2
timlush Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Louisville, KY Age: 36 Posts: 1,169 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	No one knows?

01-19-2008, 10:18 PM	#5
timlush Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Louisville, KY Age: 36 Posts: 1,169 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	jdm-online.com has JDM 2jzgte engine sets with auto tranny for $1899 + shipping The $1500 I got from ebay (just from pricing them, would never order form there)

01-20-2008, 07:17 PM	#10
GSXRJJordan Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: << 626 >> Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Well, it's the stuff you don't list that you end up needing. I know it sounds ambiguous, but seriously, you never know exactly what you need from the donor car until you try and put an incomplete engine set into your car and realize that you're missing a lower harness/power steering part/etc. The other thing is, if you buy a clip, you can be more certain about the condition of the parts. You never know with either of them if they're good as advertised, but at least in a clip you can make sure you have everything, and check mileage if the cluster is intact. __________________ Jordan Innovations has a new web site! www.JordanInnovations.com -- All your favorite FD Pro Drifters love it, trust me -- www.JordanInnovations.com

01-20-2008, 08:52 PM	#11
timlush Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Louisville, KY Age: 36 Posts: 1,169 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Who sells clips? I haven't been in the engine buying market for a few years now. Is $2500 about what I should expect to pay?

01-20-2008, 10:04 PM	#14
GSXRJJordan Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: << 626 >> Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan Feedback Score: 19 reviews	^^^ I believe those prices to be correct. Keep in mind that if you're getting a 2JZ-GTE out of an Aristo, it's not twin, sequential turbo like the supras - it's a single T51 I believe. Really doesn't matter if you're replacing the turbo(s) anyway, just FYI __________________ Jordan Innovations has a new web site! www.JordanInnovations.com -- All your favorite FD Pro Drifters love it, trust me -- www.JordanInnovations.com

01-21-2008, 01:25 PM	#16
Viggs Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Buffalo Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	1j I'm doing a 1jz swap in my s13, I will be starting one of those project threads in a few days. I will include all the details on how to do the swap WITHOUT tech2 and all the crap they sell. Wiring Also. GSXRJJordan is kind of on the right track with saying that "bolt-in" solutions are expensive, but U CAN do it for less than 1500. And also the R154 trans holds 700hp not 400, thats straight off of the tech archives on Supra Forums. Oh and before someone jumps on this...the 1jz and 2jz mounts are exactly the same. Thus why you can swap the 2jz block with the 1jz head and make a 1.5jz without modifying....anything. Here are some prices: Custom Mounts: 400 Driveshaft: 250 Custom FMIC piping: 200 Custom 3" Exhaust(Not including mufflers or silencers): 250 Aristo Front sump oil setup: 175 Walbro Pump: 85 USDM 2jz water pump: 150 There is a lot of misc. too. Gaskets that need replacing, belts, hoses, wire, solder, heatshrink, etc. I know I left a whole bunch of stuff out but....I'm in a hurry. If your doing a 2jz, you need the Ass half of the 1jz motorset to make it fit. Meaning:1jz bellhousing, flywheel, R154, 7mgte or 1jz Clutch. The 6 speed trans is just too big to fit in the tunnel....or so I've read. And another bummer....the r154 shifter doesnt line up with the hole unless its a Soarer r154.

01-21-2008, 01:29 PM	#17
azndoc Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles Age: 39 Posts: 9,487 Trader Rating: (47) Rides Gallery: azndoc Feedback Score: 47 reviews	For the wiring stuff you can also go through Drew. He has someone that will do it. You ship it to him, pay him and he ships it back. I used to deal with him a lot back in the days. Cool guy. I think its something about the placement of the shifter if you don't use their crossmember. I think it's like if you use stock then it sits up front more and you have to cut the hole bigger to accomedate and with their kit you don't have to. Ah can't remember for sure. I'm an idiot.

01-21-2008, 02:00 PM	#19
mojos13 Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: miami Posts: 180 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	I'm in the process of doing a 1JZ into an S13 and the place you wanna go to for info is www.2jzswap.com their kit is mucho bucks, but the info is free!!!!!!!..lol

01-21-2008, 02:03 PM	#20
Viggs Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Buffalo Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Wiring Azndoc....in regards to the wiring, there are two places that I know that will do it. One is on ebay, calls himself Dr. Tweak. He charges 450 for plug and play but you have to send him both the KA and JZ harness as donors. I thought it was too much, so I dug up all the schematics, made myself a little black box that converts the tach signal and the speedo pulses to utilize the stock gauges and started soldering. For the shifter location, not matter how you do it, you must extend it, tech2 can do it for 250, or once again...bust out the welder. Unless of course u have a soarer r154 which is noticably different. Its only off center by about a 1.5" though if you want to choose to not even bother.

01-21-2008, 02:05 PM	#21
Viggs Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Buffalo Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	mojo Mojo is dead nuts on, its info galore over there, but they don't tell you any alternatives to their kit.

01-21-2008, 04:23 PM	#22
timlush Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Louisville, KY Age: 36 Posts: 1,169 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	So which engine has the front sump setup? Supra or Aristo?

01-21-2008, 04:29 PM	#23
Viggs Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Buffalo Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Aristo Aristo 2j's have it and Chaser 1j's do as well. Supra's have the rear sump and I'm not sure which sump the soarer is.

01-21-2008, 04:39 PM	#24
timlush Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Louisville, KY Age: 36 Posts: 1,169 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	So basically either I need to get an Aristo engine or else a Supra engine and then get the Aristo sump setup and I won't have to hack up the crossmember?

01-21-2008, 05:40 PM	#25
Viggs Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Buffalo Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	That's correct, but you will still have to make up some kind of mount. The mounts that I have bolt to the block and then to the top of the Stock KA or Nismo mounts. No crossmember mod needed. I once read somewhere that it is possible to take out the rubber part of the stock 2jz mounts and bolt whats left directly to the crossmember. That would mean it has no vibration elimation though. Thats just what I read once, I have no clue if its fact or not.

01-21-2008, 05:42 PM	#26
GSXRJJordan Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: << 626 >> Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Sounds about right ~ and my apologies about the hp rating on the R154 - mixed it up with the w58 nums (I'm workin on my roommate's SC300/3G Supra 1JZ swap). This thread is actually extremely helpful __________________ Jordan Innovations has a new web site! www.JordanInnovations.com -- All your favorite FD Pro Drifters love it, trust me -- www.JordanInnovations.com

01-21-2008, 05:52 PM	#28
slideways2004 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Age: 35 Posts: 1,706 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	garage works once made a set of mounts that were badass. they used the stock 240sx mounts so you can choose what mounts you want to use as far as quality and stiffness goes. they required no cutting and sat the motor as far back and as low as possible i have ever seen in an S chassis. i think the guy who had them told me they were one-off. if somebody in california could talk to garage works to produce them that would be swell __________________ http://essencegarage.wordpress.com/

01-21-2008, 05:56 PM	#29
slideways2004 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Age: 35 Posts: 1,706 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	pics from cfinch __________________ http://essencegarage.wordpress.com/

01-21-2008, 06:04 PM	#30
Viggs Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Buffalo Posts: 177 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	I bought those exact mounts from cfinch.

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