Is 350-375rwhp fast?

[Boostage]

In an s14 chassis does that kind of power give you a rush? I know its probably too much for the average joe, who thinks a 200hp 2007 civic is "fast":loco:

But for the true car nut, who actually put time and money into making that kind of power, do think its plenty power? a buddy of mine has a 620hp supra, too me that feels about as much as you would ever want on the street, but his car weighed in over 3750 lbs. and had 285 Pirelli's I figure an s14 clocking in under 2900 lbs should feel similar with less power

I am almost done with my project and maybe Im warped by huge numbers on the internet, but now I am thinking 350-375hp might leave alot more to be desired, when I initially set my goal I figured it would give me the crazy acceleration. how does this much power feel to you guys? do you want more, or is it just too much for you?

[mr_240sx]

honestly anything over 350rwhp is overkill for the street and even for the track you dont need anything over 350 to have fun!

[drift freaq]

Ok my suggestion is go there and find out yourself. In fact in a 2700-2800 pound car to most people that kind of HP feels very fast. To many people shoot for numbers they have no idea about. There are members here that are putting down crazy numbers most of them are doing it with single ended track cars i.e. Drag,Drift or Time attack. There are a couple with big number street cars.

I have a 300whp at 11lb's of boost RB Powered s13 its very fast. Faster than most people would be able to handle or really want and thats not even at its full potential. Now that I have my 550 injectors in I am ready to boost up. Though the car is out the door I have new projects lined up.

I would say you would be happy with those numbers in a S14 for awhile. Take it one step at a time. Get a setup with 250-300whp and get comfortable with it. Learn to be at home with it. Then go higher till you decide its fucking fast. lol. No one can accurately tell you if its to fast or not in the end its up to you. Some people can handle those numbers and others don't feel comfortable with it. Its on you man.

[mRclARK1]

My SR powered 240 was no more then 275 at the wheels (only had it dynoed once, but upped boost etc. after that... never got final numbers before it's demise)... and that was stupid quick on the street.

Honestly, I would never put anymore then 300-325WHP in an S-chassis that's a street car... you just don't need it. It's crazy fun and fast before and at that point. Track car is another story.

Something I think is a good idea though; is try to at least get a quick ride in another 240, or car with similar weight etc., with similar HP numbers to your goals, to get a feel of what you're going to have. My goal originally was 400HP, then I rode along in a, track only, RB powered S13 with roughly 425hp. That was WAY more then I wanted/excpected I realized, and I adjusted my HP goals down accordingly... and saved money. :bigok: haha

[Boostage]

My SR powered 240 was no more then 275 at the wheels (only had it dynoed once, but upped boost etc. after that... never got final numbers before it's demise)... and that was stupid quick on the street.

Honestly, I would never put anymore then 300-325WHP in an S-chassis that's a street car... you just don't need it. It's crazy fun and fast before and at that point. Track car is another story.

Something I think is a good idea though; is try to at least get a quick ride in another 240, or car with similar weight etc., with similar HP numbers to your goals, to get a feel of what you're going to have. My goal originally was 400HP, then I rode along in a, track only, RB powered S13 with roughly 425hp. That was WAY more then I wanted/excpected I realized, and I adjusted my HP goals down accordingly... and saved money. :bigok: haha


Thats exactly what I want to do, but I dont know too many s14 owners in South FL. I know alot of supra guys though.. if I could get a feel to know what to expect that would help, but since I dont, I guess I have to go based on what people on here say..

[steve shadows]

Im at 419-437whp on pump gas with a gallon of 111 mix for protection depending on boost.


this is utterly retarded for the street.

on hankook rs-2 245 40 17 in back (on 8 inch wheel) aired down to 18 psi).

I have pretty much no traction and the car wants to kill me in anything other than 4th gear roll on's on the freeway.

This is a gt30r with 264 step 2 cams, haltech, very conservative tuning and greddy IM.

On drag radials it would be managable.

if you dont mind driving around on DR's all the time then WHP levels over 375 on the street should be much more managable.

my car is at 2550 or so curb wieght right now give or take. that doesnt help either.

It might be more managable in an s14.

most form D and D1 s-chasis cars are well under 450 whp.

[drift freaq]

lol^^^^^ Steve props to you for driving that much on the street.

[Z_Spool]

Yeah, I’m shooting to have roughly 350HP (with ability to tune for more/less when desired) out of a twin-cam KA. It’s quick while still remaining civil for DD and reliable for long term.

[mRclARK1]

Im at 419-437whp on pump gas with a gallon of 111 mix for protection depending on boost.


this is utterly retarded for the street.

on hankook rs-2 245 40 17 in back (on 8 inch wheel) aired down to 18 psi).

I have pretty much no traction and the car wants to kill me in anything other than 4th gear roll on's on the freeway.

This is a gt30r with 264 step 2 cams, haltech, very conservative tuning and greddy IM.

On drag radials it would be managable.

if you dont mind driving around on DR's all the time then WHP levels over 375 on the street should be much more managable.

my car is at 2550 or so curb wieght right now give or take. that doesnt help either.

It might be more managable in an s14.

most form D and D1 s-chasis cars are well under 450 whp.

I would be dead by now with that much on the street... plain and simple.

I tip my hat to you sir. You have a lighter foot, and more self control then I. haha

[steve shadows]

I think 350whp on most dyno measurements is perfect.


for most racing

if you do 350 whp on a dynodynamics you should be in the high elevens

400 whp on a dynojet mid to high elevens in the 1/4

350whp can also be had with a more responsive turbo.

The other thing is torque.

s chasis with around 300-320 ft lbs of wheel torque is prerfect for pretty much everything.

im at 333-340 right now but the peaking power band and higer over hp is what makes traction an even bigger probelm.

[Edgar]

I must be a fag, but I think 12psi on a stock t25 is fast enough

[umsports]

To each his own I guess. My 400whp KA-T is my DD and our RB is now making 630 on E85 and while its fast we're still shooting for a lot more. Eventually 300 feels slow and then 400 feels slow and so on and so on.

[Full-Lock]

my s14 made 650whp...i daily it.

[nevaland9]

ive got a gt2871r and step ones at 14psi prob makin a little under 350 and i beat..everything?

Cake walks:
E63 AMG
B7 RS4
997 GT3
06 Viper
340WHP 2.5 STI swaped GC8

Close calls:
C6 Z06
M6
GSXR 750
450WHP S/C Mustang
newest 389WHP SS camaro

Losses:
700whp Evo (wowzers)
C6 Z06 w/ exhaust and nitrous
650whp Kenny Bell S/C Cobra

its alright...it used to be faster before paint.

[daryl337]

My old '72 nova made 690 WHP and ran a high 10 second 1/4... but I drove that thing on the street anyways... it was just fine for me.

[90rps13]

I'm hitting 320 whp on my s13 and thought that was pretty quick at one point. Maybe it's just me and my never being satisfied, but I always want more. You just get used to it after a while. I think 400 will do it for me.....for a little while anyway...

I agree with drift freaq. Take it in steps. Don't go for big power all in one shot especially if you don't have experience with that kinda hp.

Idiots + too much HP = Lotta accidents

Just my 2 pesos....

[thejapino]

"fast" is a relative term. Whats 'fast' for some may not be 'fast' for others, vice versa. I've only ridden in a +- 300hp S13 and I'd like mine to be that fast, meanwhile some would call that car ok or not so fast:-/ . try riding in some other peoples cars to get a feel of how fast you wanna go. Then live a quarter mile at a time.

[PRADOgy]

Had a streetported 13b, 3mm seals,on a Microtech, off a superT70 making 322 @19psi whp on a convertable fc s5 chassis..i thought i was the shit.. man it was so not cool at all.. i will one to admit i dont need this much power aside of the 10 mpg on the sucka.. but that was way too much power for dd... i mean seriously an uncomfy punch of boost and breaks traction 1st and 2nd. just kinda got annoying.. im working on 250ish hp.. for my coupe.. and think this is perfect for a rush and for dd IMO

[eastcoastS14]

my s14 made 650whp...i daily it.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/maxlopes/BRASS-BALLS.jpg


I had a 350whp s14....350whp is crazy fast, riding the spool isnt bad but nailing the gas hard and letting it rip is pretty fucking scary. I landed it into a telephone pole...and I can tell you once you get up in that range traction does not exist

[steve shadows]

my s14 made 650whp...i daily it.

dyno graph thats pretty fucking awesome...

[nevaland9]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/maxlopes/BRASS-BALLS.jpg


I had a 350whp s14....350whp is crazy fast, riding the spool isnt bad but nailing the gas hard and letting it rip is pretty fucking scary. I landed it into a telephone pole...and I can tell you once you get up in that range traction does not exist

350whp is alright...theres plenty of traction ive got the silk roads real stiff with 235 pirelli p zeros and like -4 camber and hardly have traction problems in 2nd with a welded diff. man up sonnnnnn

350whp is good...youll be faster than almost any car that you can buy at a dealership.

[Full-Lock]

yeaaa ill post up the dyno sheet when i get home.

[Bad40r7]

Of course 350whp is "fast". with that light of a car, and the turbo you are using for that power is going to make it feel insane. Now, go get a 42r, set it at the boost level it would make 350whp on, and it wouldnt feel NEAR as fast, even when it was in boost. Powerband has alot to do with it.

To guys who are complaing about traction, if you had proper tires, that were actually fit for the size of the rim and maximum tread, you would have no problems, at all. Im not saying this to anyone, but obviously 240s are the "drifter" trend and you guys like to run stretched tires, which kill your traction in the straight line.

[wannabe_drifter]

TOPSECRT88 --> haha I love that !!! that is insane !!! I'd love to do that.

My cousin has got a 650 hp mustang and drives it around quite a bit, I guess it is just a matter of what you are used to !!!

Just don't go from 200 hp one day to 450 hp the other ...

[spirit]

Threads like this make me :cry: and wish I had $$$$ to get a stanalone and tune my sr gt2871r that currently dynos at 155hp (6psi, no boost controller)

[Boostage]

Im glad to hear the majority thinks 350rwhp is plenty, just for the record, I am dropping in a 1jz with a t3/62-1 with crower 264 cams, my WG spring is 11lbs so minimum I should make off the wastegate is 330rwhp. and about 450+ on 15 psi. but based on whats said here I might not even hook up the boost controller for a while..if 350 is that crazy. motor should be swapped in a few weeks.

[drift freaq]

I can say that my RB with the GT2530 while some may consider it small is exactly what makes my car so damn quick. It spools instantly or damn near. It also keeps on rolling because its ball bearing. Its good for a 16lbs. What that basically means is no lag.
I should also add at 16lbs the car should be in the 350rwhp club with ease.

When you put a large turbo on a engine and the turbo is so big it will not spool till 4k you might do big HP numbers but it will feel that way unless your nailing it. End result is the car may not feel as quick because you lose bottom end torque in favor of HP. Torque is what makes a car feel quick HP is what keeps the car rolling. I.E. Torque gets you off the line but HP keeps you going at higher speeds. Thats why road race engines have nothing below 4k. They are constantly rolling so they do not need the torque for getting off the line. conversely a drag try's to strike balance going for as much torque as possible to get off the line but a lot of HP as well to keep the car rolling at a high rate of speed down the strip.

Now I can't wait for my goal of the 300whp NA VQ :D

[mRclARK1]

^^^Someone should sticky that.lol... I think a lot of members on here still don't understand the whole Torque and horsepower stuff and which has more effect where.

[Koopa Troopa]

I've ridden in several cars with plenty of power

T66 FC3S
450 whp S14
450 whp AE86
384 whp C34
380 whp S14
T04R JZX90
400 whp 180

Two cars that have scared me the most...

A 32 GTR with no interior, cage, 2 way rear diff/ 1.5 way front, diff controller set to 50/50 and stock motor

A EG6 Civic making 180 whp.

I'm shooting for 450 for my S14 and that isn't enough to make me competive at the Sunday night drags but it's more than enough to have some fun.

[Koopa Troopa]

When you put a large turbo on a engine and the turbo is so big it will not spool till 4k you might do big HP numbers but it will feel that way unless your nailing it. End result is the car may not feel as quick because you lose torque in favor of HP. Torque is what makes a car feel quick HP is what keeps the car rolling. I.E. Torque gets you off the line but HP keeps you going at higher speeds. Thats why road race engines have nothing below 4k. They are constantly rolling so they do not need the torque for getting off the line. conversely a drag try's to strike balance going for as much torque as possible to get off the line but a lot of HP as well to keep the car rolling at a high rate of speed down the strip.


Uh you make more torque with a bigger turbo and the remedy for turbo lag is called a 2 step rev limiter.

[drift freaq]

Uh you make more torque with a bigger turbo and the remember for turbo lag is called a 2 step rev limiter.

eh you may think you make more torque but any time HP goes up Torque goes down some. Now cams with proper valve timing can help in this department but its still going to be a tradeoff.

Now Indeed you may make more torque but inversely percentage wise the numbers are not as large and the amount of Torque to HP is going to be less i.e. A engine with a turbo that spools instantly will put out a lot of bottom end torque with a fair amount HP vs a engine with a turbo that does not spool till 4k will have lost bottom end torque which is importing for getting off the line. Not everyone wants to twist their engine to 4k and dump the clutch. LOL.

Now percentage wise those Torque numbers will be greater in ratio to the HP numbers than with a larger Turbo. So your torque numbers while being larger will not be so much larger in relation to the gain in HP numbers. Sure you might gain some torque with the larger turbo but is it in the optimum power band were its useful? Anytime you lose bottom end power you lose torque and you lose it in the useable range.

Your 2 step rev limiter is merely a stop gap fix to the facts above.

P.S. don't try to bring the big turbo's of diesel trucks on me either. Diesel trucks have large turbo's because they have extremely large displacement engines and pistons for the sake of torque and need a big turbo to push that. Oh and the large turbo's on those engines spool quickly in relation to the size of the engine thereby building massive torque.

[Koopa Troopa]

What's an useable range for you? I guarantee you my useable range is alot different than yours. I'm happy with my 4500 - 9000 RPM power band. It's not like I drive around trying to race people at 2,000 RPM so why would I want my torque band that low anyways? More towing power when I'm hauling back food from the commissary?

[steve shadows]

Uh you make more torque with a bigger turbo and the remedy for turbo lag is called a 2 step rev limiter.

Im going to be using anti-lag on the Haltech on a switch on the shifter if I drop far out of boost at the twisty track.

when configured right its great, you just hold it down for a second, let go and your up to full boost.

[Boostage]

Koopa a 180 whp civic sacared you? Im confused because you listed some pretty powerful setups. btw, before my s14 I had a fully built turbo civic. and it wasnt scary under 200.

[drift freaq]

What's an useable range for you? I guarantee you my useable range is alot different than yours. I'm happy with my 4500 - 9000 RPM power band. It's not like I drive around trying to race people at 2,000 RPM so why would I want my torque band that low anyways? More towing power when I'm hauling back food from the commissary?

You live in a different world my friend where bottom end torque is not as important. to much time in oki for you. lol most the cars there are gutless wonders in the bottom end department short of skylines aka 6 cylinder machines. Hell stock SR's are disgrace in the bottom end department unless they are S14 or S15 SR's and even then its nominal.
Here in states people drive cars with lots of bottom end torque that move at 2k with a blink. Don't get me wrong I like revs but not at the sacrifice of off the line power.

[steve shadows]

one of the scariest cars i was in was a 200whp, all motor EK, little sleeper like 3 years ago.

probably because it felt like it was going fall apart and kill me.

haha

it was kind of fast though

[Koopa Troopa]

Yes, it literally scared the shit out of me. We had to stop at a Maku Donarudo so I could make dookie.

Fun times... I contemplate dumping the 14 for a CTR every week now..

[Koopa Troopa]

You live in a different world my friend where bottom end torque is not as important. to much time in oki for you. lol most the cars there are gutless wonders in the bottom end department short of skylines aka 6 cylinder machines. Hell stock SR's are disgrace in the bottom end department unless they are S14 or S15 SR's and even then its nominal.
Here in states people drive cars with lots of bottom end torque that move at 2k with a blink. Don't get me wrong I like revs but not at the sacrifice of off the line power.


Most the cars there would embarass the majority of cars in the states. All you hear Friday night at a stop light is twin plate clutches singing. 400+ WHP at the local drags is the norm, hell there were two S13's with t88's the last time I was there.

You're still not getting the point I'm making about 2 steps...

Here's a video you might like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeP7D9q_qZc

But I do get the "I've been in OKi too long" quite often. LOL


To Civic dude - 180whp EG6 doing 150 kp/h through this turn is pretty scary

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/koopatroopa187/t3h%20k00pz%20m0bi13/000008.jpg

[Boostage]

so toy you a 180who civic hatch pulls harder than a 450rwhp s14??

[Koopa Troopa]

No but it's alot faster down some roads. Hell that Civic would beat the piss out of my old 180 with 256 cams and .9kg boost on a t25.

[wntrcoatblu240]

i'm really glad to hear that most people on this thread thinks that 350 is plenty fast... i was getting tired of hearing from people that it wasn't enough, blah blah blah... usable power with traction imo is a perfect DD... i had a friend with a 500rwhp supra and i know for a fact that even with 285 tires in the rear, he wasn't able to use all of the power that he had available on the streets...

[steve shadows]

it really is taste, driving style, type of racing also.

Im still debating on switching to a gt35r again in the future, lag really doesnt bother me much, I just want a 3k burst power band with 500whp.

The gt3076r can do it a with almost a 4k power band but with substantially more cyl pressure/boost, rather than cfm.

Anti-lag -road course

2-step- drag race

I use the 2-step sometimes, when that spot on my map is configured right I can dump the clutch at 6k, with a full 14 psi of boost already pre-loaded on the motor and rip through 1st in literally 1.6 seconds.

[Kuzumi]

i always wanted to have high hp(500+) but then i got looking around and realized that everything cost an arm and a leg. I also talked to a guy with 550hp in his fastback and he said it is almost unstreetable.
my goal now is more reasonable(325-340)

$3500 LS1 swap ftw:2f2f:

[whiterps13]

I drive an NA KA pushing maybe 170whp at the absolute most.

Riding in Broadfields 400hp/300tq SR'd coupe for the first time serious left me speechless. I was gripping the 'oh shit' handle so hard my knucles were white with my feet pressing so hard on the floorboard Im surprised I didnt push it through the firewall. Scared me damn near shitless.

Its all relative, but then again spinning 275 Toyo R1's at 60+mph is just stupid no matter who you are.

[jeeper_x]

i have ridden in a daily driven T88 2jz Cefiro in Thailand....it was fine cruising on the street and also was pretty damn fucking fast when he put it down on the motorway....

[2bad240]

i made 330 with 2871r in my s13, im around 2600 pounds, my car is pretty fast, i now have a holset hy35, and i am shooting for around 490.

[ixfxi]

In an s14 chassis does that kind of power give you a rush? I know its probably too much for the average joe, who thinks a 200hp 2007 civic is "fast":loco:

But for the true car nut, who actually put time and money into making that kind of power, do think its plenty power? a buddy of mine has a 620hp supra, too me that feels about as much as you would ever want on the street, but his car weighed in over 3750 lbs. and had 285 Pirelli's I figure an s14 clocking in under 2900 lbs should feel similar with less power

I am almost done with my project and maybe Im warped by huge numbers on the internet, but now I am thinking 350-375hp might leave alot more to be desired, when I initially set my goal I figured it would give me the crazy acceleration. how does this much power feel to you guys? do you want more, or is it just too much for you?

#1) You live in Florida? You need horsepower. Not because you personally need it, but because everyone else HAS it and all the roads are straight. Every fucking video I see of Florida racers is of late night highway racing, THATS IT. Its fucking pathetic if you ask me, but thats Florida for you.

#2) Design your car for the type of terrain its driven on. There's no such thing as a swiss-blade car, that is fast in every aspect. There are attributes that can help make a good car a great car, like making it lighter - but a canyon car will never make a good highway car, vise-versa.

I've driven so many different types of cars, all different characteristics. I'm obviously afan of the light-weights, since I only care about canyon racing. High horsepower has never interested me, although it does feel nice having it when you're on the highway. To me, response is everything.

Dave Longo said it, and said it best. Response. The *BEST* cars are the ones with the most response. I could give a flying fuck what your peak HP is, because that means nothing.

Another ultimate factor that is commonly overlooked is tire compound, which everyone seems to forget. The limit of adhesion is here, and if its not THE BEST then you're big power numbers also mean nothing.

Last is your driving style. To everyone posting big numbers, lets see how good you are at controlling it. Most people over-estimate themselves and dont understand how "in-tune" one must be in not only driving, but also maintaining their beast. Like I said, its one thing to control a 300HP on the highway (big deal, press the gas.. even Nick Hogan could do that).. but its another thing to control that shit AT THE LIMIT when you're on a mountain side. One mistake is all it takes.

---

For me, depending on the weight of the car, 200-300HP is MORE than sufficient for a good canyon car. For highway, you'll want more than that.

[VROOOM]

one of the scariest cars i was in was a 200whp, all motor EK, little sleeper like 3 years ago.

probably because it felt like it was going fall apart and kill me.

haha

it was kind of fast though

i had a 194whp Ek and it was fast, but not nearly as fun as my sr 240 was. straight line i think the civic would have won.

[citystars403]

im with "Drift Freaq" on that big turbo less tq issue....other than that 290 awhp on my 95 gsx w/ Big 16g and other goodies at 13psi and weighing in at between 2800-2900lbs. left 30ft awd peelout marks and gave me a rush everytime i ran it...im thinking 350rwhp on a 2700lb 240 should not only give major traction issues but leave a nice smile on ur face after 2nd gear!

[Tearlessj]

I drove my friends 170hp civic and I thought it was damn fast. :rofl:
I guess its all about experience, for me, I have never driven a car that was that quick. To some of my other friends they said it was slow.

On another note, at what HP rating does a 2871R max out at on a SR?

[bing]

i commute and daily drive about 100 miles or more everyday in my S13 with 325whp, full coilover, multi-link, solid aluminum subframe bushings, etc. etc. (approx 6-7000 miles in 4 months)

it totally depends on your frame of reference.. people in the office think i'm absolutely off my rocker... my boss will not get into the car with me and when i drive colleagues around they think it's hilarious how harsh it is...

but if you are used to these things then you always want a bit more.

plus, turbo cars fluctuate when it get super hot and humid versus when its awesome chilly out.

on hot days i ram it and i'm like: "where go'ed the poworz?"

on cool evenings is awesome..

i'll be upping the boost in looking for just under 350whp for street... i'll crash it before i hit 400whp i'm sure

[vw_nissan]

Threads like this make me :cry: and wish I had $$$$ to get a stanalone and tune my sr gt2871r that currently dynos at 155hp (6psi, no boost controller)

That's great numbers....your turbo will last forever. :bow:

[ixfxi]

09-26-2007 04:51 PM lol your such a fag. go type that story somewhere else. lol...canyon car

awww how cute.. you scratched my rep.

[Tops*]

To Civic dude - 180whp EG6 doing 150 kp/h through this turn is pretty scary

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/koopatroopa187/t3h%20k00pz%20m0bi13/000008.jpg

Nice lighting in the pic.

I thought about getting an EG6 a while back...touge monster. Too bad touge and most of America don't go together. I sure in hell know touge and Michigan don't go together.
180fwhp is a good bit in a 1800lb. car. I definitely would have needed an 'oh shit' bar to hold on to. Good that the road's smooth as silk, cause if it were the other way around...
:eek2:
I'm glad everyone is satisfied with 350rwhp. I'm planning on going with the ever so popular gt28 myself. On the other hand, I can't wait to feel 450+awhp launches in my friend's 35r STi next year...

[steve shadows]

ifixi is right

b16 eg best canyon car :keke:


...or maybe im serious.

I woudnt want to street race my 420 whp car on a canyon road, at least not yet.

WSIR, sure.

watch me pass on the straights, but catch me in the corners.

[Koopa Troopa]

For me, depending on the weight of the car, 200-300HP is MORE than sufficient for a good canyon car. For highway, you'll want more than that.


Agreed. Majority of cars on the road I race has a stock or close to stock motor.

[sideview_180sx]

ixfxi has listed very good facts. especially building a car to your surroundings. And repsonse is everything. Besides on FA guys have posted vids of them on a race track passing up c5/c6 vettes. and the s13 is only putting down 350-375whp. Everyone relying on HP numbers yet forget weight is a major variable.

[bigOdom1]

im fat 300 doesn't feel like enough doubt 350 will hopefully the 400 range will start to scare me a little more

[LB.Motoring]

Is 350-375rwhp fast?

in a S chassis,

pretty much the end of street power,

I wouldnt see why you would do anymore for street terms.

[whereda40at]

yea i agree its all what you want and what is around you. and if you want to be a track car for drag, imo i dont think its enough cause all the cars around me that are for track run low 10's to mid 9's on average. we have alot of 400hp+ dd cars in my area so its all realy how you look at what you want to be a street car or dd.

[SixSpeedSleuth]

350 to 400whp does indeed feel fast on the street, but it's just like everything else. You get used to it. I dyno at 425whp at 19PSI, but rarely run that on the street, but when I do, it's very streetable. I normally run about 16 to 18PSI. So, around 375whp.

I'm not sure about everybody saying you can't get traction with that much horsepower, but thats BS. I run 255/40/17 Falken Azenis RT 615's on 17 X 10 enkei RPF-1's on the rear and I do spin first till redline, but on a hard shift to second, it merely chirps the tires unless I'm REALLY shifted hard and fast. Then, it will spin them briefly, but in a controlled manner. Maybe my supsension plays a part as well. I run KTS Coils.

For reference, I have a Blacktop Sr with Twin-Scroll Full-Race manifold, Greedy Intake Manifold, S4 Cams, and a TS 3071R.

[GabeS14]

[QUOTE=Koopa Troopa;1561967]Most the cars there would embarass the majority of cars in the states. All you hear Friday night at a stop light is twin plate clutches singing. 400+ WHP at the local drags is the norm, hell there were two S13's with t88's the last time I was there.

You're still not getting the point I'm making about 2 steps...

Here's a video you might like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeP7D9q_qZc

AAAAH, made me miss Oki... That shit was awesome!!
I watched the video, trying to remember seing some of the cars..I think i remember the Boxie old as R31 style skyline, with the square tail lights, completely guted, owned by an oold fat american guy., fast as hell..

[ixfxi]

Whats with everyone talking about "Oki"... this reminds me of Fast & Furious 3...

DK? Whos that, Doooonkey Kooooong?

I like how everyone feels they have street-rep just from being in Japan and living with the racers, the forbidden underground.

hahaha okay jokes aside..... the points I made are absolute facts:

- If your car doesnt have traction, you wont be able to take advantage of the power. Disagree? Ask Supra owners why they cant keep their cars planted. Takes a lot of work to plant that power accurately without losing traction.

- If your car isnt light, its not going to brake, steer, or accellerate as easily as if it was light(ened). The lighter your car is, the easier time it will have doing any of the above. In turn, a lighter car will be easier on its brakes, tires, and suspension. So if your heavy Supra has 14" rotors and 315mm tires, dont feel superior. Those brakes and tires are now "sufficient" in controlling that high HP / heavy weight car. But, it doesnt mean its optimal for canyon driving. Its more geared for high speed, where weight isnt as big of a concern. Much like how Z32 4POT brakes are fucking USELESS on the heavy weight 300ZX turbo, they work wonders on our cars.. they're actually very very good brakes for most 240 setups.

- Last, the amount of power and amount of response your car has is a very important limiting factor as to how aggressively you can drive in the turns. If your car puts the power down too abruptly (like S13 SRs), then the driver will have a harder time putting down that power. With my S13 96-98 SR, power still comes out rather abrupt and it makes driving more twitchy & nervous. With my 140-150HP Miata, I can mash the gas near 100% of the time and apply a higher percentage of that power than I could with the 240.

Anyway....... its a long post but its still stuff people need to consider. I've raced a lot of different types of cars in the mountains with different cars and different configurations. What I'm trying to say is that your skills are more important and the absolute limiting factor. Your skills change everyday. Some people wont believe that a 140HP Miata can keepup with a 360 Modena or Porsche Carrera, but it can if tuned and confugured properly. Most importantly, you gotta know the terrain you're driving on. I dont care how much power my car(s) have, I cant race for shit in a track or canyon that I've never been on before.

[steve shadows]

all this talk about weight has inspired some post-work stripping tonight.

Im going to see if I cant pull another 100lbs off ole blackie.

she's at 2550 now...

[t . b o z]

Most the cars there would embarass the majority of cars in the states. All you hear Friday night at a stop light is twin plate clutches singing. 400+ WHP at the local drags is the norm, hell there were two S13's with t88's the last time I was there.

You're still not getting the point I'm making about 2 steps...

Here's a video you might like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeP7D9q_qZc

But I do get the "I've been in OKi too long" quite often. LOL


To Civic dude - 180whp EG6 doing 150 kp/h through this turn is pretty scary

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/koopatroopa187/t3h%20k00pz%20m0bi13/000008.jpg


Haha, awesome!

My brother here has a '93 Civic cx. Came from the factory without A/C, or powersteering, manual windows..etc.etc..

Its REALLY light. Hes got a few things done to it, but it handles its ass off.

Our friend with a Civic coupe has a poor-man's ITR build. 4.73 FD w/ LSD tranny from a JDM ITR. Its got about 200+/- whp and its beaten a lot higher horsepower cars just becuase of its powerband.

People think you have to have a shit-ton of horsepower to have an enjoyable car. You dont!! Power delivery is what its all about, and the overall chassis package.

[steve shadows]

my s13 coupe at 2680 lbs without me was almost more fun than the black one in a corner.

mostly because I could hear the KA literally dieing and screaming for me to stop hurting it, 90-100 mph transistion with elevation increases.

the only thing that killed the car was federals on the front.

will never do that on anything ever again, only in the back, fuck those shitty tires.

[lucky7]

hmmm. i put down 305whp. BPU RB25. im bored as crap with it. this winter its probably getting the bottom end rebuilt, and a GT3076R. its a street car. i figure having just under 500 at the wheels would be a good range.

[clutch kick drifter]

350 to 400whp does indeed feel fast on the street, but it's just like everything else. You get used to it. I dyno at 425whp at 19PSI, but rarely run that on the street, but when I do, it's very streetable. I normally run about 16 to 18PSI. So, around 375whp.

I'm not sure about everybody saying you can't get traction with that much horsepower, but thats BS. I run 255/40/17 Falken Azenis RT 615's on 17 X 10 enkei RPF-1's on the rear and I do spin first till redline, but on a hard shift to second, it merely chirps the tires unless I'm REALLY shifted hard and fast. Then, it will spin them briefly, but in a controlled manner. Maybe my supsension plays a part as well. I run KTS Coils.

For reference, I have a Blacktop Sr with Twin-Scroll Full-Race manifold, Greedy Intake Manifold, S4 Cams, and a TS 3071R.

mind if i ask to see dyno sheet? Im making 350ish on a 2871R and spin going from 1st to 2nd and can easily keep them broke loose....and mines no controlled manner haha... the steering begins

[ixfxi]

hmmm. i put down 305whp. BPU RB25. im bored as crap with it. this winter its probably getting the bottom end rebuilt, and a GT3076R. its a street car. i figure having just under 500 at the wheels would be a good range.

I'm sure you've got a lot of learning to do in the drivers department.

That amount of power can never be boring. Sounds like you need more of a challenge by using that power in a more difficult terrain.

[SixSpeedSleuth]

mind if i ask to see dyno sheet? Im making 350ish on a 2871R and spin going from 1st to 2nd and can easily keep them broke loose....and mines no controlled manner haha... the steering begins

Here you go. Now, let me add a few things. If my tires are cold, it will indeed spin them to redline in second as well as first, but, if I let them warm up a bit, they spin briefly but catch soon.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j15/StopTheExcuses/TopDynoRun.jpg

[Ian]

are you running radials?

[McRussellPants]

[QUOTE=steve shadows;1563446
the only thing that killed the car was federals on the front.

will never do that on anything ever again, only in the back, fuck those shitty tires.[/QUOTE]



sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


bad driving



sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[TonKpilS14]

anything is close to 400hp is fast for street driving in my opinion. When i had my S14 i would DD around 300hp at 12PSI with a Greddy T51 Turbo.

i think thats PERFECT. then i bump it up to 20psi for everything else.

hopefully i can get even more hp now... im putting that motor in2 a s13 this week ^_-

[KA-T_240]

I dont know how you are not spinning in 2nd. I had 255 RT615s, even with a long burn out to get them hot, and on a prepped track i spin into 3rd. KA-T with [email protected] I know have 275s and still light them up.


400whp on the streets can be alot of fun, but can also be really dangerous if you do not know what you are doing, or are using it in a idiotic ways.

[Koopa Troopa]

I know have 275s and still light them up.


Probably cause you're using maybe 195mm of that tire due to your excessive negative camber...

[steve shadows]

:cj: sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


bad driving



sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh

................................yep I suck at driving



400whp on the streets can be alot of fun, but can also be really dangerous if you do not know what you are doing, or are using it in a idiotic ways.

well I drive around my other s13 at 440whp

but Im bad at driving

[Koopa Troopa]

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


bad driving



sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Clearly you've never been in a car with Federals on the front....

Oh wait, Federals are a leading competitive tire... :rofl:

[ixfxi]

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
bad driving
sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i thought that wearing super tite emo jeans help increase feeling and allow better car control though..............



FEDERAL - A great name, for an even greater tire company.
"At FEDERAL, we help save lives, one at a time."


:-)

[steve shadows]

i thought that wearing super tite emo jeans help increase feeling and allow better car control though..............



FEDERAL - A great name, for an even greater tire company.
"At FEDERAL, we help save lives, one at a time."


:-)


omg im dieing here hahaha

no really id drift on them but thats about it.

oh man

one life at a time

[ixfxi]

jean luc picard..................


uuu essss esss enter-priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiise

[illvialuver]

is that fast? do bears shit in the woods? do irish people drink bear and eat potatoes?
i think the answer is yes. and im just checking but is the sky up?
jk. well whatever hp set up you get to, let us know so we know if you think it is fast.

[steve shadows]

im already wanting 500

theres no point to it except maybe a straight on the FWY on r comps

but its fun closing the speedo down before you can blink

[Boostage]

Here you go. Now, let me add a few things. If my tires are cold, it will indeed spin them to redline in second as well as first, but, if I let them warm up a bit, they spin briefly but catch soon.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j15/StopTheExcuses/TopDynoRun.jpg
This must feel nuts on the street.

[EmmanuelTucay]

i have a 310 to the wheel s14. like people say... its very fast and hardly no traction. i run on 9 inch 225/40/17. now when i first got it tuned i thought it was insane! but like 90RSP13 said, eventually it will seem slow and you want more. just take it in stride little by little. dont get greedy and you may have an accident due to lack of expiriance. 350 is more than enough for the streets.

[Phlip]

I try not to curse when I moderate a thread...
...but...
...

LOOK AT THE FUCKING THREAD DATE!!!

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