17x9 fitment problems, s13

[hybrid_eg]

sup everyone, wanted to get some opinions of my fitment and what i encountered.

s13 fastback (stock fenders)
17x9+20 + 235/40/17 Federals (all around)
Tein HE's
Front - Ichiba hubs
Rear - S14 SE hubs

The wheel originally mounted barely without a spacer when it had no tire, after mounting the tire i had to use a 5mm spacer (see clearance bellow). It doesnt rub but it looks rather close. I also did a 5mm spacer in the rear.

Rolled front and rear fenders, relocated the harness, banged inside of the fender well, no rubbing.. concerened about possible future rubbing issues when the tire starts to flex at higher speeds. Car needs an alignment, since after the ES master bushing kit install everything was thrown off.. front camber is all the way negative right now.. hopefully with proper alignment i can pull back on camber a bit and still clear the fenders.. No outside pics yet as i'm still trying to decide if to raise the rear or drop the front some more? I wouldnt mind going lower but circuit sport midpipe is hanging pretty damn close to the floor.

From what i've researched many got away without spacers on HE's, for me it didnt work, yet other say that its almost a must.. not sure if it matters due to tire brand but in my case for sure it will not clear without a spacer. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Many tks in advance!

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[D1champ]

I would have gone with 225's in front.

[LB.Motoring]

thats what happens,

+20 offset isnt that great.

[Irukandji]

I would have gone with 225's in front.

Federals only come in 4x4 monster truck spec 45 sidewalls for 225s, so its 215s or 235s.


Just get a tiny spacer.

[Wei240]

trust me when i say that'll fuck up your coils, it'll rub and rub bad, the tires will rub the coils and it'll spin and it'll rub, rub, rub

get some spacers, i'd post up pics of my 17X9 +27, 235/40/17, but i'm too lazy, it's on the Group Buy:MB motoring wheel section... i need at least 5mm on my jics to clear without worries, but i used 10mm... rears are not a problem of course

[johngriff]

Federals only come in 4x4 monster truck spec 45 sidewalls for 225s, so its 215s or 235s.


Federals have a huge frame and usually just look goofy..

[markyboi]

i had 17x9+10 on 225.45..no rubbing on the coils, but rubbed on fender

now i have 17x9 +17, same tire size and didnt rub
on anything

[hybrid_eg]

im at 17x9+15 now with that 5 mm spacer.. like i mentioned i dont see anything rubbing, there is little space left but not much, my only concern is for hard cornerning as the tire is bound to flex a little.. that little can hit that coil.. a quick fix would be wider fenders that i just dont dig, i know it will solve the prob right away. Perhaps try a different brand tire later?

I'll get some pics up tomorrow of outside hopefully maybe drop the front some rear and see where it will start to hit the fender and check exhaust clearance as well..

[Wei240]

just by looking at your pics above, it really seems like the tire will rub on the coil, the rims won't ever touch, but the tires look like it positively would... after a while, if you notice rub marks on your springs, you'll know that you need couple more mm in spacers or run thinner tires

rears are not a problem with that size, no spacers needed

[Wei240]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/doh240/mb/P1030733.jpg

this rubs

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and that's 17X9 +27 from the outside

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+17 (fronts) from the outside

[hybrid_eg]

many tks for advice, i will most definitely keep an eye on the coils and see what happens. As for rear only reason why i went with a spacer is to match the front and keep the track width the same as stock of course with bigger wheel/tire combination. Back is no probs at all.. plus i like the rear ride height.. :-) need oem sideskirts badly now.. :-)

[rps13sr20det]

this is a pretty interesting thread. I just recieved my work XD9's in 17X8.5 front and 17X 9.5.... Rear fenders have slight roll. fronts rolled...Put new cusco's zero's in this afternoon and the wheels are getting mounted with 225's in the front and 235/45's in the rear.......any guesses on if i'll be rubbin on anything.

[Wei240]

this is a pretty interesting thread. I just recieved my work XD9's in 17X8.5 front and 17X 9.5.... Rear fenders have slight roll. fronts rolled...Put new cusco's zero's in this afternoon and the wheels are getting mounted with 225's in the front and 235/45's in the rear.......any guesses on if i'll be rubbin on anything.

need to know offsets...

[Chasmoore04]

just get a spacer. like a 30mm

[panama DRIFT]

you have a 5mm? try a 10mm spacer just my 2 cents

[kingsol]

Yo Ismar,
Glad you finally got some tires put on, but I'm surprised how little clearance you ended up with... it may be just that HE's have the least clearance, as both my coils, with a bigger tire, were fine w/ a +20. I'd say just get a bigger spacer and run a little bit more camber, maybe push the fender out a bit more, and you'll be ok on a stock fender.

[Dousan_PG]

5mm is fine
but id get longer studs and run a 10

this type of stuff is over 3 years old if not more.

[swayray]

5mm is fine
but id get longer studs and run a 10

this type of stuff is over 3 years old if not more.


listen to aaron... i learned everything i know from him and lindsay...

funny thing is that i asked him this question 3 years ago...

you can also adjust your camber from the knuckle spindle on your tein he hybrid_eg... its the top bolt... the hole on the strut mount is eccentric....

or you can get extended studs and run 10mm... if not just add another 3mm on top of your 5mm once you get the extended studs...

how do you say that aaron??? oh yes...

done and done....

[FaLKoN240]

Yeah, sounds like you need to get either:

A) Extended studs and a spacer

B) Different wheels

C) Different Coilovers

I do remember hearing something about Teins have BAD wheel clearance. But I'm not sure who I heard it from so the word may be less credible.

[Ca_laurier]

this is a pretty interesting thread. I just recieved my work XD9's in 17X8.5 front and 17X 9.5.... Rear fenders have slight roll. fronts rolled...Put new cusco's zero's in this afternoon and the wheels are getting mounted with 225's in the front and 235/45's in the rear.......any guesses on if i'll be rubbin on anything.

johnny, you will be ok. I know for a fact you went with the same sizes that andrew did. 17x8.5 +22 in the front and 17x9.5 +28 in the rear

If your scared of your fresh pant being cracked oh well. your car is a garage queen anyways lol

but to the main topic. fuck the federals. Those tires are so think as it is. If you compare a 215/40 to a falken its insane. But you are going to have to roll your fenders and run spacers. why not run a 7-10mm spacer with more camber???

[hybrid_eg]

don,aaron,ray and others many tks for advice guys! i know its an old topic and i appologize for covering it once more. I'll try adjusting camber from knuckle and see how far this gets me. I still have plenty of room tire/fender clearance as i probably slightly pulled the fender while rolling. I already have extra extended studs for the front in case i need to run a little bigger spacer.. maybe either 7 or 10mm worst case scenario.. as for wheels no way i'm changing them :-) its either run these or run stock SE's :-) I'll look into different coils as last option but as of right now it looks like it will all work out fine. I will update this thread some more with new pics as soon as i get a chance.

Tks again all!

[idrum2loud]

stop buying bad offset wheels!!!!!! The wider the wheel, the lower the offset needs to be or else that will happen

[swayray]

17x9 +20 is not that bad... its still better than some 17x9 +35 taiwanese crap....

[Ca_laurier]

17x9 +20 is not that bad... its still better than some 17x9 +35 taiwanese crap....

true, on s13's you can run 17x10 with a +35 offset in the rear

i have just never seen a +20 offset have inner clearance problems like this

[Dousan_PG]

exactly its not bad wheels, just that size doesnt clear ALL coilovers, some it will, some it wont

HE's i had to run 9 +10

cool deal.

[rps13sr20det]

johnny, you will be ok. I know for a fact you went with the same sizes that andrew did. 17x8.5 +22 in the front and 17x9.5 +28 in the rear

If your scared of your fresh pant being cracked oh well. your car is a garage queen anyways lol

but to the main topic. fuck the federals. Those tires are so think as it is. If you compare a 215/40 to a falken its insane. But you are going to have to roll your fenders and run spacers. why not run a 7-10mm spacer with more camber???


17X9.5 and +17 in the rear with 17X8.5 +22 in the front..... it looks gross with no roll. GOD...doing a good roll this weekend.....

[TheSquidd]

true, on s13's you can run 17x10 with a +35 offset in the rear

i have just never seen a +20 offset have inner clearance problems like this

I run 17x9 +15 in front, and if I don't use my spacer, I have like 3mm of spring clearance.

[BILLYhoang]

god dang thats close . *crossed fingers * hope i get the right size . damn !

[hybrid_eg]

to those that are running similar size offsets like me what coilovers are you running? i knew HE's wouldnt have a good clearance period, but what other models would have say optimal wheel to coilover clearance?

tonight i will adjust the knuckle and see how far this gets me, and if that doesnt help i'll try 8mm first then like aaron said 10mm up front will clear like there is no tomorrow :-)

[Ca_laurier]

I run 17x9 +15 in front, and if I don't use my spacer, I have like 3mm of spring clearance.

no what i was getting at was a higher offset on a 17x9. almost looks like its close to +30