How Well will this Ka-T Set-up work/Last?

[buku_points]

I am currently getting together my KA-T setup and i was wondering with this setup listed below, if it would be safe to daily drive without blowing the engine? i have had 2 SR swaps before and would like to experiance KA-T. Seeing as though this is my first KA-T attempt, any info would help and be greatly appreciated. Thanks in Advance.

Stock boost
tubular manifold
SR Injectors
Upgraded Fuel pump
Full 3" exhaust
FMIC
T-25
AFC

125,000 miles orig. on motor/chasis

[godzillarb]

FYI, if you're boosting a KA engine nothing is "stock boost"

With that said, how much boost do you want to run?

[buku_points]

oh, sorry bout' that. around 7-8 psi.

[silnismo]

you should check around Ka-t.org, plenty of people are running this setup with no issues.

[NemeGuero]

you should check around Ka-t.org, plenty of people are running this setup with no issues.

word.. cheap bastards


and you'll either need to retard base timing or get a BTM.

[buku_points]

^ so if i retard base timimg or get a BTM, it would be safe to daily drive?

[Irukandji]

retard timing to about 14 degrees...

Again, please check ka-t.org they are REALLY informative about this kind of stuff. I plan to run a very similar setup to yours but I'm using an n60 maf on top of an SAFC.

[buku_points]

^ yea thanx man. i went to the site and i read a couple of stickies that were pretty imformative. just looking from advice from as many who write me back. but thanks again.

[skate07]

you will blow the HG within a month, its just the way it is. im not being ignorant, im speaking from "turboing the stock KA" with experience

[chlatboy]

word of advice. Dont let steven touch your car. Then you are good to go.

[chmercer]

you will blow the HG within a month, its just the way it is. im not being ignorant, im speaking from "turboing the stock KA" with experience

why would you say that?

it should be good for a while as long as you get a decent tune on the safc and retard the timing. 1 degree per 2psi boost is what i do.

[Irukandji]

you will blow the HG within a month, its just the way it is. im not being ignorant, im speaking from "turboing the stock KA" with experience


You sir, are retarded.

Plenty of people have run 14-18 psi on a stock headgasket...
Yeah it's not smart, but you won't blow a HG within a month....
If you go on ka-t.org you'll see more than half the members there still have the stock headgasket while running around 8-10 psi on a t25.

Neg rep for you

[nosajton]

i got a KA-T w/arias pistons and a stock oem nissan head gasket. i push 20psi daily.

head gaskets only blow when you overheat or in some circumstances, detonate.

the key to any KA-T is tuning. if you retard the timing and have a safc, you'll be fine

[skate07]

You sir, are retarded.

Plenty of people have run 14-18 psi on a stock headgasket...
Yeah it's not smart, but you won't blow a HG within a month....
Neg rep for you

with 125k on that headgasket? like i said, im talking from experience..

and 14-18 psi on an oem headgasket i'd have to literally see someone install it, and run it for "said" ammount of time... to believe it

in my experience, stock HG held 12 for like 4 days. but thats a fact , because it happened. so ..


i myself am KAT, and in no way am i hating, because i believe in the motor as well, but we also blew an SCE gasket within a month on a 34 psi 511 rwhp s13... the fact of the matter is that its hit or miss...


dude, take it for what its worth, im speaking from experience, not saying that you arent, im simply calling it like i saw it..

[arkive43]

that set up is very mild. daily no prob.

im gona do something similar cept with a t28,sr injectors,z32 maf,w255lt fpump, fmic....

i would suggest checking compression and makin sure ur motor is ok to handle boost.like skate said his motor blew.all ka's are diffrent, better safe that sorry.

[projectRDM]

with 125k on that headgasket? like i said, im talking from experience..

and 14-18 psi on an oem headgasket i'd have to literally see someone install it, and run it for "said" ammount of time... to believe it

in my experience, stock HG held 12 for like 4 days. but thats a fact , because it happened. so ..


i myself am KAT, and in no way am i hating, because i believe in the motor as well, but we also blew an SCE gasket within a month on a 34 psi 511 rwhp s13... the fact of the matter is that its hit or miss...


dude, take it for what its worth, im speaking from experience, not saying that you arent, im simply calling it like i saw it..

And your experience means more than anyone else's?

Over seven years ago, before anyone was doing the basic setups now, I helped with a topmount T3/T4 setup on a 20k mile KA. Cobra MAF, 550s, a JWT ECU, and custom built piping, that car ran for three years daily at 14psi, never had any problems until it ran hot one night and lightly damaged the HG. This of course was due to driver error, not a fault in the engine. TY Yap's KA-T also saw several years at 14psi with numerous track events before failing. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Your thoughts that the HG will fail, regardless of boost level, is ignorant. A well treated engine, tuned properly with efficient cooling will last as long as a stock NA engine, turbo or not, no matter how many miles.

[mayco_86]

Thats true skate07 is saying nothing but the truth. My friend blew his shit in less than a week.

[JDS Performance]

Sounds like you might wanna check out my DVD?
check it out; http://www.KA24DETDVD.org
I use to sponsor this site, and had a sticky of this - not sure what happened to that?

also FYI if you are going to stay at 6-7 psi you "might" not even need any retard - its all about "knocking & pinging"

[NemeGuero]

Thats true skate07 is saying nothing but the truth. My friend blew his shit in less than a week.

'cuz your friend is lame.

Just 'cuz you guys suck at building ka-ts doesn't mean that all ka-ts won't last.

[projectRDM]

'cuz your friend is lame.

Just 'cuz you guys suck at building ka-ts doesn't mean that all ka-ts won't last.

Bingo. Just because some worthless fucktard clod builds an engine and blows it up in a week that doesn't mean we'll all do it.

"hey guys, my car is overheating and knocking like fuck, let's go drifting"

"wait, why'd it blow a headgasket?"

[sidewaysca18det]

i know a guy with a ka-t t3/04 turbo 550cc's i beleive and 18psi on stock internals.... well tuned.. runs 11.5-10.8 at the track all day long

[Irukandji]

Theres a video on youtube of a red s14 running around 550whp on stock headgasket, stock internals and the whole shebang.

[buku_points]

yea i plan on using this set-up for track and daily driven, ive had freinds with ka-t last over a year but due to driver error, the motor ceased. im hoping to get the ka-t done within the next 2 weeks, ill post up my reports to let you guys know.

[JDS Performance]

tuning is "key" on the KA-T's!

[projectRDM]

tuning is "key" on the KA-T's!

You mean you can't just slap a turbo on it and turn the boost up to 25psi? You just broke a lot of hearts man.

[airsoft]

Not necessarily, maybe it' will blow faster if the car has had an overheating issue before and it maybe shrunk or burnt the head gasket a bit making it less effective?

But a well taken care of motor without issues in its past can have a long and good healthy life with a turbo. You are of course adding one more element, but... it all depends, like most have said tuning.

So in conclusion: Who knows? every motor is different! :D

[s13gold]

afc isnt good enough to be reliable...

get a tune from enthalpy or jwt.

[aznrib]

Its all about the tune. With stock internals you'll be fine.

[JDS Performance]

afc isnt good enough to be reliable...

get a tune from enthalpy or jwt.

why so you can run way rich all the time? pffffftttt on that!
get a AFC and wideband and street tune that baby - because its not like your just building a drag car - you need the street tune for stop and go traffic etc.

So yes tuning is "key"!

[blu808]

The boost comes in and the connecting rods come out.

[brainfood]

Friend is running 8psi on t28 same setup as yours basically but stock sr sidemount for 2 1/2 years with no problems car runs great. STOCK HEADGASKET

[s13_gearhead]

Thats true skate07 is saying nothing but the truth. My friend blew his shit in less than a week.

:Ownedd: ....

[JDS Performance]

The boost comes in and the connecting rods come out.

actually the ring lands on the pistons are the weak links on the stock KA's
If you throw a rod - then you had rod problems before you turboed
KA's are known for thrown rods too - but that is usually from someone installing rod bearings wrong :wavey:

[projectRDM]

actually the ring lands on the pistons are the weak links on the stock KA's
If you throw a rod - then you had rod problems before you turboed
KA's are known for thrown rods too - but that is usually from someone installing rod bearings wrong :wavey:

Or driving around with 4psi of oil pressure.

[umsports]

I run a stock HG on my KA-T and its been proven to over 500whp at least 6 times that I know of by now. Also i've been doing it for about 15k miles over a year and half time span. People blow HG's from detonation not from the HG being weak. (unless youre looking to boost 40lbs) The stock HG is more than fine. I hate seeing people spread misinformation about the KA. Go to www.ka-t.org and you'll find many people doing things this thread has made seem impossible. Now some people have had head lifting issues at over 400whp but a simple fix is ARP studs.

[NemeGuero]

There it is.. end of thread. HAH

[blu808]

actually the ring lands on the pistons are the weak links on the stock KA's
If you throw a rod - then you had rod problems before you turboed
KA's are known for thrown rods too - but that is usually from someone installing rod bearings wrong :wavey:



Thats just a saying we have here at the shop.

another one we have is " the boost goes in and the apex seals come out"

[s13_gearhead]

Thats just a saying we have here at the shop.

another one we have is " the boost goes in and the apex seals come out"

Zomg, KA's don't have apex seals, guy. Only ROTARY engines have those. Wait, you're not one of them.... wankel fags, are you? -L- j/k..

[Apathic]

I know im late but I have to say this! thers on a guy on Ka-t (im on it) and he is runnig 30 psi on a t3 or t4 maybe a hybrid with everything stock :) besides a turbo, intercooler, bigger injecters. etc. noting internal wise.

[DriftSpecS14]

ka-t's are the shit!. easy to build and maintain with the right set up. gl on the set up guy

-Riley

hope the past shit is behind us man

[opticfilms]

is it going to be a sr or ka-t because we need to drift son

[Jon Michael]

Sounds like a nice setup. Only time I really hear of people blowing stuff is when they take a 180k engine and slap a turbo on, then boost like 18psi and drive it hard. Goodluck with it. I'm just curious, how much whp would a setup like this produce?

[JaeTea]

The people I've seen blow KA's didn't have anything to control timing..so make sure to address that.

Just running an SAFC isn't enough.

[slothonaleash]

before you even look at a turbo, compression test...that will tell you if you are good for boost...

but running an safc at this low of boost usually is enough...imo running a btm is unnecessary at this level

[orion::S14]

...actually the ring lands on the pistons are the weak links on the stock KA's...

^^^ I CANNOT believe it took until post #33 for someone to clarify THAT!

If you blow a HG on your KA-T...you've overheated it, and you're a moron.

If you detonate, you WILL break the ring lands before the HG blows.

...

And FWIW, I've been running my KA-T at 12psi for the last 4-PLUS YEARS...doing several track events per months, EVERY month...and it's fine.

It was making 310rwhp for the last ~4 years...and as of a few months ago...a new manifold and it dyno'd at 338rwhp (still 12psi).

SO...as it's been mentioned here already: Tuning is the key. And the HG is SOLID...no reason to upgrade.

- Brian

(EDIT: Sorry, last 4 years...it was turbo'd in March 2003)

[blu808]

Zomg, KA's don't have apex seals, guy. Only ROTARY engines have those. Wait, you're not one of them.... wankel fags, are you? -L- j/k..


I was refering to rotards guy.

[s14unimog]

yeah I had the same setup on my car for a year and a half, you will be fine, I ran about 17 degrees retard and had no issues with the KA-T. I agree with who ever was saying get an SAFC, wideband and street tune it. I could have avoided trips to the dyno if only I had gotten a wideband, so add one to your list.

The motor is a great one and you'll have tons of fun + learn something

I say do it and screw all the nay-sayer's who don't know what they are talking about.

[s13_gearhead]

I was refering to rotards guy.


... no kidding. It was a joke. Thus the j/k. thx for the neg rep.

[Vision Garage]

I think buku has gone the other way. I heard he picked up an s14 SR. All this talk about KA-Ts for nothing!

[35suren]

hey can someone help give me steps on how to take out a ka24 motor

[35suren]

can someone tell me how to take out ka24 motor

[JDS Performance]

can someone tell me how to take out ka24 motor

sounds like you need one of these :rawk:
http://www.KA24DETDVD.org check it out! :hyper:

[Vision Garage]

sounds like you need one of these :rawk:
http://www.KA24DETDVD.org check it out! :hyper:


haha. Nice plug! To pull out motor, um.... yea that might take a while to explain. Search the forums or buy the DVD.

[illvialuver]

okay i bought a s14 ka-t and was boosting 9 psi, and drove the car from berkley to irvine, and than drove it for 3 months, and than it had issues but the previous owner said it needed rebuilt. the main bearings went out. other than that the car was fast, and ran well. you have a milder set up than i did you should daily drive it no problem, just liek they said before tuning is everything, and watch for boost creep. some people just blow engines no matter what you give them cause the boost too much and cant drive, just run 7-8 psi get your tunin g under control and youll be fine. let me know how it goes, cause i dont see too many ka-t guys on zilvia. god luck,.