Stance Coilovers

[FinSX]

searched, found nothing:(

Just heard about this new suspension company called Stance (www.stancesus.com). Anyone using them? I'm interested if those are any good, as they are pretty cheap. What are they like compared to more famed coilovers, such as Tein or Tanabe? And would someone know the country where they manufacture those? (guessing U.S).

I would get Cusco's or Kei Office's coilovers, but can't afford them. (as I don't want to get the cheapest ones)

thanks to all in advance.

[Irukandji]

never heard of them.

if you don't want to spend much you can go for Megans or KTS.

[FinSX]

never heard of them.

if you don't want to spend much you can go for Megans or KTS.


No I don't want those. I'm looking for middle class coilovers, like Tein Flex's. Everybody praises Tein, but I'm not so sure if they're up to the hype. But Kei Office would be a excellent choice for sure, just a bit pricier.

[S14DB]

Looks like some Taiwanese re-brands. Can't say that they provide a great deal of info on their site...

[i8yourfwd]

Just go with KTS's somebody said that Tein Flex's aren't even that good (said on zilvia somewhere I think)

This post should help alot:http://www.zilvia.net/f/showpost.php?p=880222&postcount=11

[dori2 s13coupe]

different color KTS coilovers

[DJPimpFlex]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, KTS for the win!

[A Spec Products]

haha i knoooow who stance is

but im not giving out the secret ;)

[S14DB]

haha i knoooow who stance is

but im not giving out the secret ;)
Then I will. It's Touge Factory.

[A Spec Products]

Then I will. It's Touge Factory.

Hahah, yeah it was pretty obvious.

I recognized their addy.

[bcrume]

Tein's suck, they are really bad and it's all hype.

zeal/endless - the best there is...
kei office - heard good things but haven't driven with them
Gp Sports - what I would get if I couldn't afford something better.
JIC - They perform well but will break and the ride isn't great.
kts/megan/ksport - all are shit, wouldn't put on my car if they were free.

if you can't afford kei office then you can't afford zeal, so I would look into gp sports or silk road. If you decide to go with gp sports then try to find a shop that has them in stock because I guarantee that if you order it, it will take longer than they say.

[Aldus]

Tein's suck, they are really bad and it's all hype.

zeal/endless - the best there is...
kei office - heard good things but haven't driven with them
Gp Sports - what I would get if I couldn't afford something better.
JIC - They perform well but will break and the ride isn't great.
kts/megan/ksport - all are shit, wouldn't put on my car if they were free.

if you can't afford kei office then you can't afford zeal, so I would look into gp sports or silk road. If you decide to go with gp sports then try to find a shop that has them in stock because I guarantee that if you order it, it will take longer than they say.


Sorry, but ksport and megan and nowhere near KTS.

[Ian]

Tein's suck, they are really bad and it's all hype.

zeal/endless - the best there is...
kei office - heard good things but haven't driven with them
Gp Sports - what I would get if I couldn't afford something better.
JIC - They perform well but will break and the ride isn't great.
kts/megan/ksport - all are shit, wouldn't put on my car if they were free.

if you can't afford kei office then you can't afford zeal, so I would look into gp sports or silk road. If you decide to go with gp sports then try to find a shop that has them in stock because I guarantee that if you order it, it will take longer than they say.


Have you used any of these?

I know none of them are top notch brands...but I can vouch and say that Megan Racing coilovers are of a different breed than K-Sport and D2. Also, KTS is in a completely different realm of quality than K-Sport/D2.

I've compared Megan Racing to Silk Road almost side by side, I actually prefer Megan Racing. (on the track...the Silk Road have a smoother ride on the highway)

[SoSideways]

Even though Stance is just Touge Factory, it doesn't mean they made the stuff.

Kinda reminds me of the old days of Importfan = GP Sports NA.

Importfan didn't make any of the GP Sports parts, but they were repping them here in the states, so I'm only guessing that Stance is just being repped by TF here in the states.

So I'm guessing Dave at TF have tried these and actually deemed these worthy to sell with his business huh? Then these can't be any worse than Megan Racing or D-Drugs.....

[shrug]

[KiDyNomiTe]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/th_P1000550.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/P1000550.jpg)

I will post a review when I drive on them

[Irukandji]

Tein's suck, they are really bad and it's all hype.

zeal/endless - the best there is...
kei office - heard good things but haven't driven with them
Gp Sports - what I would get if I couldn't afford something better.
JIC - They perform well but will break and the ride isn't great.
kts/megan/ksport - all are shit, wouldn't put on my car if they were free.

if you can't afford kei office then you can't afford zeal, so I would look into gp sports or silk road. If you decide to go with gp sports then try to find a shop that has them in stock because I guarantee that if you order it, it will take longer than they say.


so have you really driven on these or are you just regurgitating what some actual track drivers have said?

because I can feel some deja vu...
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=21614&highlight=tein+jic+zeal
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=24774&highlight=tein+jic+zeal


sorry to be offtopic:hammer:

[bcrume]

even if you think they are better than megan and ksport, I still put them in the shit column. You can argue that for the money they are good but I would't waste money on them. I see alot of people on this forum praise them but thats only because they can't afford other stuff or haven't had the chance to experience better suspension systems.

[SoSideways]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/th_P1000550.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/P1000550.jpg)

I will post a review when I drive on them

Oh snap now it all makes sense.... so THESE were the top secret coilovers that you kinda told everyone about in the "how low can you go" thread that you wouldn't talk about :)

You sneaky you... heh

Yeah dude, seriously, let us know how these are, as I am quite interested in these...

[KiDyNomiTe]

I've compared Megan Racing to Silk Road almost side by side, I actually prefer Megan Racing. (on the track...the Silk Road have a smoother ride on the highway)

I was with dave comparing stance to megan racing, and also compared my silk roads to stance, stance is definately the beefiest and well put together, although I will miss the lower camber bolt...

[bcrume]

so have you really driven on these or are you just regurgitating what some actual track drivers have said?

because I can feel some deja vu...
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=21614&highlight=tein+jic+zeal
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=24774&highlight=tein+jic+zeal


sorry to be offtopic:hammer:


I'm speaking of personal experiance, I own a set of zeal function x on my s13 and a set of function v6's on my 350z.

I have personally driven multiple zeal setups, gp sports something 8, jic flta2, kts, megan, ksports, spring/shock setups and many other coilovers on s13's my advice is from personal experiance. Most people don't know what good is because they haven't had the oportunity.

I wasn't trying to start an argument. kts still sucks

[drift into a curb]

^^ watch out, zeal master.

[Juujai]

elaborate why kts sucks? uncomfortable, underdampened? shitty build quality? i don't think so.

i have cusco zero-2r and have tried zeal super function, zeal b6, kei office xt, megan, kts and some others i can't rememeber at the moment the kts are not shit.

"i heard kei office is good" lol i hear good things about most coilovers on forums... what difference does that make... bs oh yeah and kei office is teh suck right now. no rebuilds/shock replacements at all. they're wacked out right now. i wouldn't recommend them unless you plan to dump em every few years.

i'd recommend kts over any of the other coilovers in the price range. cheap, dampens good, gets LOW, comfortable/harsh when you want it to be.

theres like a billion choices in the 2k range most are kick ass anyway no need for recommendations there. apexi, cusco, zeal, swift, ikeya blah blah all good stuff no doubt. the 4-5k+ stuff is yeah no need to explain either.

[i8yourfwd]

elaborate why kts sucks? uncomfortable, underdampened? shitty build quality? i don't think so.

i have cusco zero-2r and have tried zeal super function, zeal b6, kei office xt, megan, kts and some others i can't rememeber at the moment the kts are not shit.

"i heard kei office is good" lol i hear good things about most coilovers on forums... what difference does that make... bs oh yeah and kei office is teh suck right now. no rebuilds/shock replacements at all. they're wacked out right now. i wouldn't recommend them unless you plan to dump em every few years.

i'd recommend kts over any of the other coilovers in the price range. cheap, dampens good, gets LOW, comfortable/harsh when you want it to be.

theres like a billion choices in the 2k range most are kick ass anyway no need for recommendations there. apexi, cusco, zeal, swift, ikeya blah blah all good stuff no doubt. the 4-5k+ stuff is yeah no need to explain either.

KTS sucks cause he says they suck. He has Zeals and is suspension mastar.:ghey:

/sarcasm

[FinSX]

who sells GP Sports GR-6's? They have also released Gp Sports G Master. I think they are pretty new too. Opinions on them? Silk Road is a bit of a mystery brand to me, never really seen any japanese tuner using them. Pretty popular in the States I guess? Is it an U.S. Brand or Japanese?


I think I'm leaning towards GP Sports or Tanabe Sustec Pro S-S at the moment. What's the advantage of the helper spring that Sus Pro S-S is using, compared to a no helper spring model, S-S II?

[krustindumm]

I was with dave comparing stance to megan racing, and also compared my silk roads to stance, stance is definately the beefiest and well put together, although I will miss the lower camber bolt...


For the camber bolts, try any autoparts store. I went to o'really's $25/side (~$50 total). They have varying ranges, I got the ones that go up to 2.5* of adjustment.

[Juujai]

silkroad is made by section which is pretty popular in japan i believe. section makes coilovers for a lot of different companies. gp sports can be bought at many distributors i can't remember the main one but autornd sells gp stuff.

the main things to look for aside from quality/build/price "feature wise" are dual height adjustable, front camber plates and dampening adjustability. the low end tanabes don't have all the functions like the dd/new seven. low end coilovers doesn't mean it isn't good either. just because it's a lower model doesn't mean it's crap. coilovers are basically meant for people that want to get low. if you're looking into the lower end tanabes then koni yellow shocks would be a good choice over that.

if you have a low dollar budget i'd recommend kts coilovers, tanabe sway bars and like some 50 dollar ebay subframe collars over any choice in it's price range.

[bcrume]

subframe collars help so much and are really cheap, it should be your first mod. Wait on buying sway bars, they should be the last suspension peice you buy. I've had 3 different types of swaybars on my s13 and ended up liking the stock ones best. the stiffer the sway bar, the less the suspension can travel independently. It kind of defeats the purpose of getting good shocks. The tanabe 7's, kts and other mid to lower end shocks are needle valved, they may be good for a hot lap but it will get hot and become unpredictable. There are some pro's using dd's but they have plenty of time to let the car cool down between runs.

[SoSideways]

subframe collars help so much and are really cheap, it should be your first mod. Wait on buying sway bars, they should be the last suspension peice you buy. I've had 3 different types of swaybars on my s13 and ended up liking the stock ones best. the stiffer the sway bar, the less the suspension can travel independently. It kind of defeats the purpose of getting good shocks. The tanabe 7's, kts and other mid to lower end shocks are needle valved, they may be good for a hot lap but it will get hot and become unpredictable. There are some pro's using dd's but they have plenty of time to let the car cool down between runs.

Um, I thought the Tanabe Sevens had some sort of "innovative" slider valve, and not needle valve?

[phreze]

The tanabe 7's, kts and other mid to lower end shocks are needle valved, they may be good for a hot lap but it will get hot and become unpredictable. There are some pro's using dd's but they have plenty of time to let the car cool down between runs.


So the $1800 tanabe 7's are mid to lower end? and stock sway bars are better then aftermarket? Can I have a pound of what this dude is smoking?

[SoSideways]

So the $1800 tanabe 7's are mid to lower end? and stock sway bars are better then aftermarket? Can I have a pound of what this dude is smoking?

He might not be smoking it but directly injected into the blood stream... :bite:

[KiDyNomiTe]

For the camber bolts, try any autoparts store. I went to o'really's $25/side (~$50 total). They have varying ranges, I got the ones that go up to 2.5* of adjustment.
Your thinking something else. The silk road has a blt similar to the eccentric bolts, accept its seperate 4 sided sqaurewasher. The coilover has to be slotted also.

Stance although has the bolts offcenter so it acts like it would be on the 3rd highest camber setting on silk roads.

[bcrume]

Imamura takes off his sway bars completely on some tracks.

[trsilvias13]

I'm speaking of personal experiance, I own a set of zeal function x on my s13 and a set of function v6's on my 350z.

I have personally driven multiple zeal setups, gp sports something 8, jic flta2, kts, megan, ksports, spring/shock setups and many other coilovers on s13's my advice is from personal experiance. Most people don't know what good is because they haven't had the oportunity.

I wasn't trying to start an argument. kts still sucks


i personally experience apexi n1 pro's (top choice, not recommended for DD).
I also try hks hyper-d, bridgestone potenza ers, Tein flex, ksport and KTS.

I think KTS is better than a lot of company. THe only coilover i would choose over KTS is the Apexi n1 pros

[floodo1]

subframe collars help so much and are really cheap, it should be your first mod. Wait on buying sway bars, they should be the last suspension peice you buy. I've had 3 different types of swaybars on my s13 and ended up liking the stock ones best. the stiffer the sway bar, the less the suspension can travel independently. It kind of defeats the purpose of getting good shocks. The tanabe 7's, kts and other mid to lower end shocks are needle valved, they may be good for a hot lap but it will get hot and become unpredictable. There are some pro's using dd's but they have plenty of time to let the car cool down between runs.

while your advice seems sage, your knowledge is lacking. sway bars are an INTEGRAL part of a proper suspension. sway bars are special in that they affect ONLY roll and not front/rear weight transfer. a sway bar doesnt defeat a spring (what you refer to as a shock) it works in unison with it.

anyway im sure some situations call for softer or no sway bars, most likely in the rear, where removing/ softening the sway bar will usually unhook the rear end (as it allows the inside tire to unload more).

sall good tho, i want kei office myself :) but not for drifting !

you should bone up on your suspension theory, and combine that with your practical knowledge man :)

[bcrume]

I wasn't trying to say that it affects front/rear weight transfer, I meant the roll, exactly what you said. I don't even know why I'm arguing, not listening to me only keeps my car better than yours.

[Irukandji]

I'm speaking of personal experiance, I own a set of zeal function x on my s13 and a set of function v6's on my 350z.

I have personally driven multiple zeal setups, gp sports something 8, jic flta2, kts, megan, ksports, spring/shock setups and many other coilovers on s13's my advice is from personal experiance. Most people don't know what good is because they haven't had the oportunity.

I wasn't trying to start an argument. kts still sucks



**Experience

Do you happen to have pictures of your 350z and 240sx? It's hard to believe that you have so much experience and knowledge with such a wide range of coilovers when you can't diagnose a simple problem like a faulty master cylinder.

I just have my doubts since your opinions reflect exactly what has been said by others in past threads.

[EH9]

Comment removed.

[SoSideways]

anyone know anything about APEXI- World Sport coilovers?

They aren't adjustable, and kinda expensive, but what do you know about them? Durable, nice ride, good/bad points.
thanks!

This thread is about the Stance coilovers, and how it stacks up against some of the other coilovers that members on this site get for grip/drift/daily driving.

Your question could have been answered if you would have used the Search function on this site.

AKA you posted a question that has already been answered more than a few times in the wrong thread.

[ramblux]

anyone know anything about APEXI- World Sport coilovers?

They aren't adjustable, and kinda expensive, but what do you know about them? Durable, nice ride, good/bad points.
thanks!

This thread is about the Stance coilovers...

I have a set of WS c/o for sale cheap, but PM me so we don't clog up this thread.

[FinSX]

silkroad is made by section which is pretty popular in japan i believe. section makes coilovers for a lot of different companies. gp sports can be bought at many distributors i can't remember the main one but autornd sells gp stuff.

the main things to look for aside from quality/build/price "feature wise" are dual height adjustable, front camber plates and dampening adjustability. the low end tanabes don't have all the functions like the dd/new seven. low end coilovers doesn't mean it isn't good either. just because it's a lower model doesn't mean it's crap. coilovers are basically meant for people that want to get low. if you're looking into the lower end tanabes then koni yellow shocks would be a good choice over that.

if you have a low dollar budget i'd recommend kts coilovers, tanabe sway bars and like some 50 dollar ebay subframe collars over any choice in it's price range.


I allready have Koni Yellow Tops and I don't really like them. They are designed to be used with stock lenght springs and as I have lowering springs they don't function the way they are supposed to. At higher speeds the car feels extremely unstable which I find very dangerous. They are stiff though.

Are subframe collars the same as those pineaple rings? If so, I'd rather swap the whole stock bushings to polyurethane ones.

The cheaper Tanabes don't have separate height adjustment' just spring pre-tension adjustment. So if I'd want to change the ride hight, it would also affect the spring pre-tension and that really sucks. Also, I'll definately want the pillowball topmounts and camber plates.

So I'll have to search for more info about the Silk Roads and KTS's. Where are KTS's manufactured? I have to say that I'm a bit sceptical about the KTS's because good quality and price goes hand to hand. Plus a well known Japanese brand is not only very cool, but gives you some assurement about the quality. And I'm affraid many people only say KTS's are good just because they have a set of their own and haven't tried anything else. Compared to stock suspension, any coilover suspension will be better, but I still don't want any Megan Racing, D2, or other crap chinese knock offs. 1000$ is alot to spend on shit, if I can get good or atleast decent coilovers for 1300-1500$.

But thanks to all for your thoughts and suggestions.

[OptionZero]

Subframe collars/pineapple rings are much easier to install than full bushing replacements because you don't have to remove the whole subframe.

Megan isn't chinese...it's taiwanese =P
It is not necessarily crap, just in a different class for different sorts of folks.

KTS/SPL is backed by an excellent customer service, and include many of the essential features. The man that sells them, Kuah at SPL, is also one of the most respected vendors here, and his reputation for going above and beyond to serve his custoemrs means any love his products get well earned.

but yes, do search through all those coilover threads, you'll find a wealth of posts on the topic of all sorts of brands

just don't get NEX coilovers, hahahaha

[gotta240]

yeah. and 100 other coilovers of the same price range are being brought up. Hence the reason why i threw the apexi ws in there. They cost about the same, and are made by a reputable company. Stop with the search bs. I'm just throwing another option/topic for depate out there. everyone has a different opinion, and thats what i was looking for.

[floodo1]

I wasn't trying to say that it affects front/rear weight transfer, I meant the roll, exactly what you said. I don't even know why I'm arguing, not listening to me only keeps my car better than yours.

ok so what you where trying to say is actually ignorant :) i was giving you the benefit of the doubt (ps look up the definition of ignorant if you take offence to that word).

a sway bar is practically mandatory in order for a suspension setup to work properly. the reason is that in order to achieve sufficient roll stiffnes (with a 1 spring per tire setup) the spring must be over stiff to handle front/rear weight transfer as well as road irregularities.
by virtue of controlling on roll stiffness the sway bar allows for softer springs to be used which deal more properly with bumps and weight transfer.

but sure sometimes the level of roll stiffness you need is small, and springs can be soft enough to handle the weight transfer and bumps. in that case a sway bar wouldnt be needed.

now why dont you tell me the situation in which you need such a small roll stiffness!!!!
the situation is if you're going slow so the cornering force is low, or if you have insane grip so weight transfer doesnt really matter, or if you are TRYING to LOSE grip.

now how often are any of those true? slow cornering: i think not. insane grip: not usually. TRYING to LOSE grip: ahhh you're a drifter.



and you should be ashamed of your arrogance, you dont know who i am.

[Wiisass]

I don't even know why you guys are trying to argue about sway bars in a thread that is talking about some new brand of coilovers. But just to add to it, sway bars aren't necessary. Floodo1, you're making generalizations that aren't really true if you really do know enough about suspension design. If you really want me to go into it, I can, but right now I dont' feel like it. But in any case, sway bars are overrated, they are an easy way to tune load transfer distribution but other than that, depending on a lot of other factors you don't need them.

About these stance coilovers. To me they just seem like another entry level coilover. I mean they could be better, but than some of the others in terms of valving, but we don't have any curves yet to compare them with, so arguing how they feel when you drive your car is as good as arguing that the color makes them handle better. I mean driver feedback is only as good as the quality of the driver and their experience, so take all these reviews with a grain of salt. There are some people on here that i would trust to give a decent review but not many.

[KiDyNomiTe]

About these stance coilovers. To me they just seem like another entry level coilover. I mean they could be better, but than some of the others in terms of valving, but we don't have any curves yet to compare them with, so arguing how they feel when you drive your car is as good as arguing that the color makes them handle better. I mean driver feedback is only as good as the quality of the driver and their experience, so take all these reviews with a grain of salt. There are some people on here that i would trust to give a decent review but not many.
Yes very true, everyone loves coilovers the first time around no matter what it is (unless they are really really bad). Luckily I will be able to directly compare them to my silk roads without any major changes to my car (just ride height and front tire size).

Keith aka beef who has pretty much had the same setup for the last year or 2 and drives his car at every event we have held, and autocrosses back in his home state posted a review going from HEs. Although he had the prototype version that Dave used as feedback to adjust the dampening and random features. So these coilovers have gone through quite a few changes from what could have been made.

Here is his review (just keep in mind they are prototypes that he used).

From the fine folks at TF, Origin, v:S, etc…comes Stance SUS. I’ve been running a prototype version since mid October ’05. The images and specifications here are the final production versions which are available now.

http://www.stancesus.com/images/stanceshock.jpg

S13/14 comes with 8k/6k springs, other models listed on the site. I believe the intent was that special order spring rates are available but you will have to email to confirm.

Review:
I have been driving my S13 with Tein HE coilovers for three years and have driven cars with most popular coilovers out there.

Install was very standard, no issues… I don’t like front brake line brackets mounted on coilovers (any brand, not just Stance) as they like to bind, so I like to remove them. I set the height up to match what I had the HEs set as. Obviously with the new coilovers, there was no sag so it took a few more adjustments to get it to the proper height. I did not reach the lowest possible height adjustment, so there was room to go further. My estimates were that my PROTOTYPE MODEL is similar in “maximum slammage” to my old HEs. The production model was adjusted to allow for even more lowering. For the record, I tuck the rears of my 17”s with room to go lower.

First impressions:
Taking into consideration that my HEs are probably nearing the end of their lifespan, the Stance coilovers reacted very well. The biggest thing I noticed was the rebound is very quick without over compensating which would make for a bouncy ride. It made the car feel very go-karty.

The next day, it was track time. Driving the car on the Chicago highways to the sticks, the car felt great. A noise was noticeable coming from the rear, more than likely caused by the pillowball mounts. The production version has a one piece pillowball mount in the rear to reduce noises.

A few seconds on the track turned into a few hours…which turned into the whole day flying by as usual. At the end of the day, I realized I had completely forgotten about the coilovers. In my eyes, this says the most about them as I didn’t notice anything negative at all. I put two wheels in the air after hitting a rumble strip not quite right and it reacted very predictably.

This was the last event of the season which meant a long ride home as I try to keep the car in Chicago as much as financially possible. The 400+ mile drive home was a good “daily driver” test. Ride quality was consistent and my back was just fine.

Pics:
http://www.stancesus.com/images/sus1.jpg

http://www.stancesus.com/images/sus2.jpg

http://www.stancesus.com/images/sus3.jpg

http://www.stancesus.com/images/sus4.jpg

http://www.stancesus.com/
MSRP is listed on the site, I’d expect the street price to differ as usual. Currently Touge Factory is offering Stance with two full sets of springs (8/6 & 9/7) for less than MSRP.

Hopefully this didn’t come across as the blatant advertisement that it looks like. I’ve had these on since Oct ‘05 to legitimately give them a thorough review long before TF offers them for sale.

Ask away.

[floodo1]

I don't even know why you guys are trying to argue about sway bars in a thread that is talking about some new brand of coilovers. But just to add to it, sway bars aren't necessary. Floodo1, you're making generalizations that aren't really true if you really do know enough about suspension design. If you really want me to go into it, I can, but right now I dont' feel like it. But in any case, sway bars are overrated, they are an easy way to tune load transfer distribution but other than that, depending on a lot of other factors you don't need them.

d00d did you even READ what i said? i said sure in some situations sway bars may not be needed, but in the overwhelming majority of the time they're quite useful. im talking about regular cars here, not super downforce cars or anything.
i think you SHOULD go into it because i even explained the situations where you dont need a swaybar, as well as the ones where you do. so throw down with some actual info and not "well generally your generalizations are wrong".


--but whatever maybe i'll start another thread...

[bcrume]

you should be ashamed of your arrogance, you dont know who i am.


Yeah, I'm a drifter. you called me ignorant and then listed exactly what I do in your exceptions. In a previous post, in this thread I wrote that Youichi Imamura (pro d1 driver, has won the d1) takes of his sway bars on certain tracks. So you should have known that I was talking about drifting. Maybe you were ignorant to that, so I'll give you the benefit of doubt. I don't care who you are, you're going to keep typing at your computer and I'm never going to meet you in real life. What does it matter to me what you think about me? I was just trying to help the kid in Finland before he listened to someone on this forum that was uneducated on the subject. 95% of 240 owners only bought the car because it was fr and cheap, and aren't willing to spend alot of money on their cars. They recomend what they know and that usually isn't much.I got a 240 because I know what the potential of the car is and would be willing to pay alot more than I did for it. If you really drift then you know the driver matters much more than the car but at the same time when you go fast and the car is built better and much more stable than a competitor it's going to let you push harder and be faster. There are some people on this forum that know what their talking about but most don't. I remember when rare trick was having an arc intercooler group buy and there were a ton of people posting about how it wasn't worth the money and were comparing it to the blitz and greddy cores. While arc is expensive and you can argue it's worth, the arc core is far superior than what else is available but they still compare it to blitz and greddy. Alot of the time they think they are right but end up being dead wrong. I didn't tell him to take off his sway bars but that stiffer isn't always better and he should wait to see how he likes the car before he adds sway bars. Super stiff sway bars made a huge difference when I had the blown stock shocks on the car. Once I got my coilovers, with high spring rates, the car was faster with the stock bars. Another thing that seems so stupid to me is that alot of people on this forum think that the advantage of a coilover is to be able to get the car really low, the real advantage is that you can counterweight the car. Around here it costs $450 to do that, I wonder how many people on this forum have done that. Your argument is quite weak if you have to resort to personal attacks. If you're so much more educated than me, why would you have two fallacies in your argument against someone that doesn't know what they are talking about? Should't it be so easy to prove me wrong?

[Wiisass]

Simba, I read Keith's review the other night on zt, and I'm really hoping him and rob do get a chance to get a bunch of different shocks dynoed. There's really no other way to compare them without introducing the subjective nature of a driver.

Floodo, if you want to start another thread to talk about the need of sway bars, go ahead, I won't get into it in this thread because it's just adding to the clutter.

[AutoRnD]

wow...
i can't even stand to read all this...

Stance is supposed to be more track oriented..
there will be warranty on them.

I can get them for you guys if you'd like.
I might actually be ordering a set as an unbiased test lackey..
and remember i do have zeals v6's on my car..

I have no doubt that these will be very agressively damped and great for track use.

So Stance is going to be good...
it is in a good price range is full monotube and is inverted front.
Even most of the tanabe coils excluding the seven is twin tube dampers.

So if anyone wants em or any questions i will gladly help

408 635 0000 ext 0#

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[FinSX]

I'd still like to know where Stance are manufactured.

[KiDyNomiTe]

I'd still like to know where Stance are manufactured.
Where is Tanabe Manufactures, KTS, Silk Road, Buddy Club, Kei Office, Megan Racing, bla bla bla bla bla. What does it matter?

If thats the only thing keeping you from buying them then don't even bother. They are made in Zimbabwe by my uncle who owns a bank and decided to make coilovers...

[FinSX]

Where is Tanabe Manufactures, KTS, Silk Road, Buddy Club, Kei Office, Megan Racing, bla bla bla bla bla. What does it matter?

If thats the only thing keeping you from buying them then don't even bother. They are made in Zimbabwe by my uncle who owns a bank and decided to make coilovers...

Well, that's very nice...

I guess it means something. I mean, for example I wouldn't buy Buddy Club anymore, because they don't make them in Japan anymore. Very few people are aware that the original Japanese company behind Buddy Club went bankrupt and sold the trademark to a Taiwanese (or chinese?) knock off company, who continues to sell their knock offs under the Buddy Club brand name. Pricing haven't changed, just the quality.

I claim Japanese make superior quality compared to Taiwanese, Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese, Philippinese, whatever other asian country. If I'll have to choose beetween Toyota or Hyundai, I'll choose Toyota. If I'll have to choose beetween Sony or Samsung, I'll choose Sony, If I'll have to choose beetween a Japanese made suspension, or Taiwanese made suspension, I'll choose the Japanese one. It's like that for me, tell me if I'm crazy?

But for that price I might consider these. Have to wait for more reviews from other users.

[sw20>>s14]

they look appealing to me...i mean, regardless of where theyre made, they have all the characteristics of a trackworty coilover...pillowball, inverted monotube, dual height adjustable, polys in the rear, etc...only thing that separates it is the valving...but even then, its all preference...so if i didnt buy my ddrugs just recently, id definitely get a set of these...unless if someone wants some ddrugs =)

[yudalicious]

I think manufacturer matters, but you're comparing apples to oranges. As complex as shocks get, a car is much more complex than a set of shocks. It is wise to keep in mind where it is made, but I think if the quality hasn't dropped from before, you shouldn't worry too much. Key is to do research, I haven't heard anything about a drop in buddy club quality, so I wouldn't rule them out just because supposedly they're not made in Japan anymore...btw BC USA says their parent company, First Inc, went bankrupt, BC split off and now is it's own company.


This whole thread is kind of meh... I doubt many ppl here drive their car fast enough to detect a difference between a set of Zeals and a set of KTSs, and given the price difference, who cares.


Well, that's very nice...

I guess it means something. I mean, for example I wouldn't buy Buddy Club anymore, because they don't make them in Japan anymore. Very few people are aware that the original Japanese company behind Buddy Club went bankrupt and sold the trademark to a Taiwanese (or chinese?) knock off company, who continues to sell their knock offs under the Buddy Club brand name. Pricing haven't changed, just the quality.

I claim Japanese make superior quality compared to Taiwanese, Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese, Philippinese, whatever other asian country. If I'll have to choose beetween Toyota or Hyundai, I'll choose Toyota. If I'll have to choose beetween Sony or Samsung, I'll choose Sony, If I'll have to choose beetween a Japanese made suspension, or Taiwanese made suspension, I'll choose the Japanese one. It's like that for me, tell me if I'm crazy?

But for that price I might consider these. Have to wait for more reviews from other users.

[i8yourfwd]

wow...
i can't even stand to read all this...

Stance is supposed to be more track oriented..
there will be warranty on them.

I can get them for you guys if you'd like.
I might actually be ordering a set as an unbiased test lackey..
and remember i do have zeals v6's on my car..

I have no doubt that these will be very agressively damped and great for track use.

So Stance is going to be good...
it is in a good price range is full monotube and is inverted front.
Even most of the tanabe coils excluding the seven is twin tube dampers.

So if anyone wants em or any questions i will gladly help

408 635 0000 ext 0#

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How much you gonna get them for josh? :P

Do Stance coilovers have dampening adjustment?

[EchoOfSilence]

How much you gonna get them for josh? :P

Do Stance coilovers have dampening adjustment?
Read, homie. Asking Josh to read for you is just sad

[AutoRnD]

they have i believe 16 way adjusting.

Also to be honest with you i think very few coils are made in japan.
High priced teins are as well as zeal and i believe jic.
I believe tanabe, silkroad are also.

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?p=912711#post912711

[i8yourfwd]

Read, homie. Asking Josh to read for you is just sad
I was asking josh how much he could get them for..

The question about dampening was a general question to other people reading this thread. It doesn't say anything about dampening adjust on their website nor on the review. So I was curious. So no, I wasn't asking josh to read for me. Dumbass. No wonder your pinked.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Well, that's very nice...

I guess it means something. I mean, for example I wouldn't buy Buddy Club anymore, because they don't make them in Japan anymore. Very few people are aware that the original Japanese company behind Buddy Club went bankrupt and sold the trademark to a Taiwanese (or chinese?) knock off company, who continues to sell their knock offs under the Buddy Club brand name. Pricing haven't changed, just the quality.

I claim Japanese make superior quality compared to Taiwanese, Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese, Philippinese, whatever other asian country. If I'll have to choose beetween Toyota or Hyundai, I'll choose Toyota. If I'll have to choose beetween Sony or Samsung, I'll choose Sony, If I'll have to choose beetween a Japanese made suspension, or Taiwanese made suspension, I'll choose the Japanese one. It's like that for me, tell me if I'm crazy?

But for that price I might consider these. Have to wait for more reviews from other users.

Lets see, where to start... First off name off every coilover you have ever considered and I want to know where they are made and how you know. If you heard from a friend, or heard from a shop, it doesnt count. Unless you either a) saw the location on thier website, or b) have been to where they make them, I don't and won't trust your opinion. Dave and a few other people in the industry know where a lot of these coilovers are made. Especially Dave after researching for quite some time about these coilovers he has learnt little secrets here and there.

Next, what you say about Japan ruling over the rest, then in that case mexican food is better than japanese food, why? I don't know because like you I say so... A whole lot of stuff is outsourced to other countries, doesn't mean quality is worse, it usually means price will be cheaper. A lot of stuff is made wherever is most economically efficient for a company.

Next go take apart your car, your house, your phone and whatever else you own, find out where each individual piece is from, throw away things that were made in taiwan, korea, china etc...

For the Buddy Clubs have you had any first hand experience with the new coilovers. Or did you just hear from a friend of a friend who read it online about someone else that they suck cuz they aren't made in japan? What coilovers have you had first hand experience with, where were they made...

Who gives a fuck where shit is made from, I hate people who go by paper and not first hand experience. You can't compare things without even trying them. Buy them, try them, review them, then your opinion counts, otherwise don't buy and find your perfect JDM coilovers.

Also 1 year warranty, usually means its somewhat quality, also keep in mind this isn't like those funny SSAC turbos where they will run away, Dave owns too many businesses to run away and not be able to be reached...


This whole thread is kind of meh... I doubt many ppl here drive their car fast enough to detect a difference between a set of Zeals and a set of KTSs, and given the price difference, who cares.

HAHA

Have you ever driven on KTS and driven on Zeals... I have and you can tell the difference. The difference lies in dampening, are they smooth, bouncy, stiff, soft, bla bla bla.


Shock dyno will be out soon enough. AFAIK Zeals, HEs, Pro DDs, HKS Hipermax, Megan Racings, of course stance and whatver else we can get ahold of will be tested. If you have something you want to test against Stance, PM me.

[FinSX]

KiDyNomiTe, you are absolutely right. Alot of stuff (like electronics) are made in cheaper countries and it doesn't have to mean weaker quality.

Still, I'd rather trust a company who's been around over 20 years developing and testing their products in motorsports and have earned good reputation.

But for an entry level coilover, I'd consider KTS and Stance, both have good adjustability and charecteristics. I wouldn't consider Megan and D2 though.

[yudalicious]

I am sure the Zeals are better than my KTS, but I doubt many people here are skilled enough in their driving to make up the almost $1000 difference between the $2000 zeals and $1100 kts... purely from an efficiency of spending point of view, but if someone wanted to give me one of the two... then that's a different story.

[EchoOfSilence]

I was asking josh how much he could get them for..

The question about dampening was a general question to other people reading this thread. It doesn't say anything about dampening adjust on their website nor on the review. So I was curious. So no, I wasn't asking josh to read for me. Dumbass. No wonder your pinked.

Personal attacks can get YOU pinked.

The damping on these is incredibly controlled. I have the damping set at 6 (theoretically the correct damping with the springs) and the ride is crazy good for 8/6 spring rates.

I was just on Touge Factory's site, and came upon these new coilovers that they're selling now, sold by the company Stance.

Says it comes with 2 sets of springs, a pair is 8/6, and the other is 9/7.

15 way adjustable damping
inverted monotube
designed to go lower than most other coilovers out on the market right now (so it says)
comes with pillowball upper mounts

I meant read as in read the other threads about the Stance Coilovers. Granted it wasn't really mentioned in this thread, but there are 2 others that do.

[AutoRnD]

ooops 15 vs 16 way...

also w/ zeals i've had newbies pull amazing lap times in the zeals.. It like awd (cheating) he hehe...

But back on topic i have to definitely give these suckers a test run.. And i've ridden / drove / owned quite a few coilovers in my time.

[EchoOfSilence]

Yeah, keep us updated. A comparison with other coilovers would be great. the shock-dyno results would be very nice too

[floodo1]

Yeah, I'm a drifter. you called me ignorant and then listed exactly what I do in your exceptions. In a previous post, in this thread I wrote that Youichi Imamura (pro d1 driver, has won the d1) takes of his sway bars on certain tracks. So you should have known that I was talking about drifting. Maybe you were ignorant to that, so I'll give you the benefit of doubt. I don't care who you are, you're going to keep typing at your computer and I'm never going to meet you in real life. What does it matter to me what you think about me? I was just trying to help the kid in Finland before he listened to someone on this forum that was uneducated on the subject. 95% of 240 owners only bought the car because it was fr and cheap, and aren't willing to spend alot of money on their cars. They recomend what they know and that usually isn't much.I got a 240 because I know what the potential of the car is and would be willing to pay alot more than I did for it. If you really drift then you know the driver matters much more than the car but at the same time when you go fast and the car is built better and much more stable than a competitor it's going to let you push harder and be faster. There are some people on this forum that know what their talking about but most don't. I remember when rare trick was having an arc intercooler group buy and there were a ton of people posting about how it wasn't worth the money and were comparing it to the blitz and greddy cores. While arc is expensive and you can argue it's worth, the arc core is far superior than what else is available but they still compare it to blitz and greddy. Alot of the time they think they are right but end up being dead wrong. I didn't tell him to take off his sway bars but that stiffer isn't always better and he should wait to see how he likes the car before he adds sway bars. Super stiff sway bars made a huge difference when I had the blown stock shocks on the car. Once I got my coilovers, with high spring rates, the car was faster with the stock bars. Another thing that seems so stupid to me is that alot of people on this forum think that the advantage of a coilover is to be able to get the car really low, the real advantage is that you can counterweight the car. Around here it costs $450 to do that, I wonder how many people on this forum have done that. Your argument is quite weak if you have to resort to personal attacks. If you're so much more educated than me, why would you have two fallacies in your argument against someone that doesn't know what they are talking about? Should't it be so easy to prove me wrong?


ok fair enuf. i wasnt talking about drifting. but the principle still applies. i did explain how no rear sway bar would help with drifting tho.
i agree a lot of people speak out of their ass, and dont understand what corner weighting is :), or understand why you need "double height adjustment", etc. yay

[KiDyNomiTe]

I am sure the Zeals are better than my KTS, but I doubt many people here are skilled enough in their driving to make up the almost $1000 difference between the $2000 zeals and $1100 kts... purely from an efficiency of spending point of view, but if someone wanted to give me one of the two... then that's a different story.
As long as you track the car on occasion you will notice, I guess I just assume most of you do some sort of track stuff since all my friends do... But even on the street it will make a difference, but in that case it will be a shittier difference because it will probably be too harsh for daily driving, and in that case buy the cheap and soft stuff.

[tougefactory]

Hello,

I will try to answer most of the questions in regarding our coilovers.

Stance was developed with testing, redesigning, improving, and re-engineering. We have also learned during that time what is important in building top of the line coilover system.

Internal parts have to be developed within extremely high tolerances. Also the raw material used have to be high quality in order to be able to do this. Alot of the cheaper manufacturers do not have the capability to even mimick these things. Thats why they are cheap. Stance is developed at ISO certified facility with the highest standards in the industry.

All the coilovers are dyno tested for low speed and high speed force vs velocity for proper valving. What makes good coilovers and bad coilover is the dampening. Even tho there are many decent quality coilovers at low price, it takes a proper know-how to valve a coilover. This is not something that can be replicated or developed. Stance is developed with testing,research and experience.

S13 and S14 models have been developed and re-engineered to our specs, here are some of the notable things.

- We use 175mm springs on the front to allow extra range of adjusment(most coilovers uses 200mm-240mm). Rear shock body is short but we used extra long bottom bracket to allow very big range of adjusment. This allows you to lower your car very low or drive at stock height.

- We had some problems with top pillowball mount clunking with prototype after some hard use. So we have changed original multi piece mount to a more expensive 1 piece unit.

- S13 & S14 models are valved for 9k/7k springs. So we're not just throwing in the 9k/7k springs for sh*ts and giggles. Reason why it comes with 8k/6k standard is that from our experience with 8/6,9/7, 10/8 springs, we feel 8/6 is the best compromise rate for street and track.

Hope this answers most of the questions you may have.

Please contact us for more info.

Thank you

www.stancesus.com
[email protected]

[SoSideways]

I think Dave or whoever from Touge Factory that typed up that little piece there above just has me sold on their Stance coilovers.

And I was thinking about purchasing the Silkroads prior to that...

[S14DB]

So, who's coilovers did you re-engineer? Who did the R&D and production for you?

[yudalicious]

It's not so much as noticing the difference in ride quality/handling characteristics as actually needing such a good suspension set up. I guess what I'm trying to say is that most people, even some that track occasionally, aren't driving fast enough to have a set of decent coilovers like KTS hold them back, having a set of $2000 dampers is overkill, and having sticky enough tires to match coilovers is a whole 'nother story.

As long as you track the car on occasion you will notice, I guess I just assume most of you do some sort of track stuff since all my friends do... But even on the street it will make a difference, but in that case it will be a shittier difference because it will probably be too harsh for daily driving, and in that case buy the cheap and soft stuff.

Which leads me to ask TF: is there a chance of custom valving, rebuilding, etc?

[2iv0 sx]

looks like another one added to my list; we'll just see from further reviews. .

[Wiisass]

ok fair enuf. i wasnt talking about drifting. but the principle still applies. i did explain how no rear sway bar would help with drifting tho.
i agree a lot of people speak out of their ass, and dont understand what corner weighting is :), or understand why you need "double height adjustment", etc. yay

Having a rear sway bar helps with drifting. Having no front swaybar also helps with drifting. A sway bar increases the lateral load transfer and as the sway bar gets stiffer that cornering capability at that axle is lowered. So for drifting having an overly stiff rear sway and a soft or no front sway would help induce oversteer.


- S13 & S14 models are valved for 9k/7k springs. So we're not just throwing in the 9k/7k springs for sh*ts and giggles. Reason why it comes with 8k/6k standard is that from our experience with 8/6,9/7, 10/8 springs, we feel 8/6 is the best compromise rate for street and track.


While this is a decent start, what were the sprung and unsprung masses that they were designed with. I mean knowing the spring rate is only one of the parts of the equation. But i'm sure you guys did a decent job on them. I just can't wait to see the dyno plots. Just make sure the tests are done right.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Having a rear sway bar helps with drifting. Having no front swaybar also helps with drifting. A sway bar increases the lateral load transfer and as the sway bar gets stiffer that cornering capability at that axle is lowered. So for drifting having an overly stiff rear sway and a soft or no front sway would help induce oversteer.

Oversteer != drift...

[Wiisass]

Oversteer != drift...

Well it's not neutral steer or understeer so it's gotta be oversteer. But seriously, having a stiffer rear sway bar will create corner entry oversteer and overall help with drifting.

[KiDyNomiTe]

If you set it for oversteer it becomes too squirly and difficult to control. Also linking corners would be a pain, or early entries, holding long drifts, etc... Technically the car will understeer at entry.

I should have my review in a few days, car needs to be painted...

[Wiisass]

I'm not saying to set it up for hardcore oversteer all the time, I'm just saying that having a stiffer rear sway bar would essentially decrease the cornering limit of the rear of the car. Doing this wouldn't cause the car to become hard to control.

Recently, I've been running no front sway bar and a HICAS rear bar and the car feels great. Early entry, holding drifts, linking turns isn't a problem at all. I don't know why you would think the car would understeer at entry.

[gearhead290]

What's the availability on replacement parts for these?

[KiDyNomiTe]

I don't know why you would think the car would understeer at entry.
Do it faster, you'll under a little..

[Wiisass]

It might understeer a little, but that's more because of driver inputs than the suspension setup. A good race car should have a little corner entry understeer, but with drifting and entering the corner way before you would if you were racing it's a little different.

With my current setup, I haven't had much, if any understeer at higher speed corners. For higher speed for me, I'm talking mid 3rd, maybe 80mph max entry to start the drift. For corners like that, it's just been a lift off or quick brake jab to break the rear loose and then counter and gas. No real understeer for stuff like that.

But besides that, with a stiffer rear sway bar and a softer or no front, the car could still understeer a little, but it would be much less than with a stiffer front sway.

[snatch13]

Shock dyno will be out soon enough. AFAIK Zeals, HEs, Pro DDs, HKS Hipermax, Megan Racings, of course stance and whatver else we can get ahold of will be tested. If you have something you want to test against Stance, PM me.

Are you going to test your old silk roads against them? Those are my top 2 choices right now, so I was curious if you were going to do that.

[KiDyNomiTe]

I sold my coilovers, but I am going to try to get my friends silk roads.

wiisass - I guess its more drivers preference, I don't really like the set to oversteer thing. I love the crazy impact entry so I prefer the car to not kick out so simply. I would like to be able to grip my car with the same setup and not have to worry about it sliding on its own.

[snatch13]

I sold my coilovers, but I am going to try to get my friends silk roads.

awesome! that would be tight!

[Wiisass]

simba, it is driver preference. I like the way I have my car set up right now with no front and the HICAS rear. It's not at the point where it will oversteer all the time, it's not even noticeable on the street. But it's set where it's just easier to initiate. And running an NA KA, it just makes things a little easier.

[gearhead290]

What's the availability on replacement parts for these?

anybody know? I know that replacement parts for silkroad is damn near impossible to get, which pushes me away. And face it, we all crash and stuff breaks. So if replacement parts are available I will probably order a set from Touge Factory when I get my tax return back, so any info would be much appreciated.

[KiDyNomiTe]

like what do you mean by replacement parts? What are you assuming you are going to break? Springs are laying all over the shop, there is a one year warranty I forget what they will cover, but call up TF or Stance or whatever and they will let you know what they will do.

[gearhead290]

Well, I'm mostly worried about the struts. I've seen people break that actual strut before (buddy of mine hit a curb and snapped on of his silkroads, he's had them sitting in his garage for over a year now and hasn't been able to get replacements; it was kind of a fluke thing, but I just don't want it to happen to me). Also, knowing how long it takes to get the struts rebuilt/replaced is always a good thing.

[2iv0 sx]

Stance offers a 1 year warranty and can fully rebuild for $150 per shock.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Ok heres my review

I picked these up from TF, comes in a nice big old box, a lot bigger than my Silk Roads. Open it up and they are all individually rapped in a whole lot of bubble wrap in thier own individual box.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Stance/stance7.jpg

Every set comes with a manual, 2 wrenches, the coilovers obviously, and 5 adjusting knob caps. The caps are actually pretty nice, my Silk Roads just came with rubber caps, these can be tightened on with the allen key so they don't fall off, you can still adjust the coilovers with the caps on them. And for the slow you can read which way to go for soft or hard.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Stance/S3010014.jpg

The S-Chasis apps come with 9/7 springs. Front springs are shorter than the rear springs. Rear springs are the same length as Silk Roads (front and rear)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Stance/S3010018.jpg

First thing I did was switch out to 9/7 application. You can either take them off from the top or the bottom. I used the bottom because I have no air tools, just undo the bottom brackets and collars swap springs. The springs have no markings on them so pay attention to which you replace.

After switching springs I compared them to my silk roads side by side.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Stance/stance6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Stance/stance5.jpg

First thing I notice is the beffiness of these. Silk Roads are pretty beefy on their own comparing them to Tein HEs. The camber plates are thicker, the overall body is thicker. The collars on Stance are all amost the same, while on Silk Road the bottom collar for the fronts is wierdly big, the top two collars are a bit beefier too. The overall length of the coilovers are longer also, so if you want sissy height you have more than enough room.

For the rears, same story, everything is beefier. The most noticeable change is the bottom mount/bracket, its almost double the length of the silk road one. The bottom mount will reach a little past the top collar, so having a long mount allows for the coilovers to go lower than the silk roads which will bottom out before the stance, also yet again allows for sissy height to the max...

For both front and rear the piston is a lot bigger than the silk roads, you can tell in the picture of the rears the difference. Also Stance has shorter stroke which can be seen in the picture of the rears. My finger is on the top of the cartridge, the Silk Road sits at about another coil down.

The one thing SR has and Stance doesn't is the camber adjustable bolt. On the SR it has an eccentric bolt on the top bolt for the bottom bracket. It has 4 settings. The stance bolts are offset, they sit at about setting 3 (1 away from the most camber).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Stance/stance1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Stance/stance4.jpg

Those are the pics of the coilovers on. I set the ride height to a little lower than my Silk Roads.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Stance/stance.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/kidynomite/Stance/stancegg2.jpg

Considering its really cold (below freezing) it might take some time for these to settle. So I excpect them to a be a tad bit lower. I plan on lowering it a little more in a week or so after driving on them and painting my car.

Specification wise vs. silk roads

Feature__________||Silk Road_||_Stance
Inverted Monotube_||____X___||__X___
F Camber Plates___||____X___||__X___
F Camber Bolt_____||____X___||______
Dampening_______||__8-way__||_15-way
Spring Rates______||__8/7*___||_8/6 & 9/7
Rear Bushing______||__rubber_||_poly-urethane

Driving Impression:
First impression is that they are really stiff. The first time I drove them I only drove on them for like a couple minutes. They had yet to be broken in. Drove on them the next day for a little longer. They are currently at factory setting of 6 of 15. After warming up a little they fealt similar stiffness wise to my SRs at 7 of 8, just a tad stiffer.

The ride isn't bouncy, but it does have that go-kart type feel to it. But it is more of a direct feel. I haven't had any track experience with them yet, considering its still snowing, but taking simple turns and weaving around in traffic feels very direct. There is not much body roll in these. Overall the valving compared to silk roads they seem to be a bit stiffer.

Once the car has bumpers and lights and I have the car at its set ride height I will take it out for a little street action and mess with the dampening settings.

[FinSX]

wow, they look very nice! You said they are beefier, how much heavier you recon they are?

lol those blue overalls are nice too :keke:
and good looking wide fenders you've got there btw.

[2iv0 sx]

coool! Great review so far.

[KiDyNomiTe]

wow, they look very nice! You said they are beefier, how much heavier you recon they are?

lol those blue overalls are nice too :keke:
and good looking wide fenders you've got there btw.
They are a tad heavier than the silk roads, not too noticeable. The box is somewhere around 70 pounds according to TF.

And I love my overalls :), they say kidynomite on the back, but they are too small, I need to get some new ones...

[krustindumm]

As long as you track the car on occasion you will notice, I guess I just assume most of you do some sort of track stuff since all my friends do... But even on the street it will make a difference, but in that case it will be a shittier difference because it will probably be too harsh for daily driving, and in that case buy the cheap and soft stuff.

I am sure the Zeals are better than my KTS, but I doubt many people here are skilled enough in their driving to make up the almost $1000 difference between the $2000 zeals and $1100 kts... purely from an efficiency of spending point of view, but if someone wanted to give me one of the two... then that's a different story.

In my limited experience, I found that even Zeal's with stiff springs (9/10, IIRC) have a better ride quality than Tien HE's. As for handling, I can barely drive a manual, so no opinion there.

[SoSideways]

They are a tad heavier than the silk roads, not too noticeable. The box is somewhere around 70 pounds according to TF.

And I love my overalls :), they say kidynomite on the back, but they are too small, I need to get some new ones...


I will also add to the beefiness of these coilovers.

Went down to Enjuku to take a look at these badboys (albeit they were for the Z33s, they're basically the same thing, with lower bracket differences), and yup, they're beefy alright.

I'm pretty much 90% sold on these, will be 100% sold once I see their shock dyno.

[BlackS14]

I as well Ernest...I was but a couple months out from purchasing a set of the KTS coils, but these have me changing direction yet again. I can't wait for the shock dyno....

-Bill

[driftking777]

any new results for the Stances? im lookin at ordering these in about 2 weeks, but want to know if i should get kts's or these...these sound damn good, and i like the fact that they come with the extra springs...so can we get a quick review, since you've probably driven on them some more...?

[turtl631]

Ditto, I'll probably nab some in about 3 weeks or so, but I'd like to see a shock dyno first since it's been mentioned as a possibility.

[Creizai]

Any word on that shock dyno ?

[Gearhead_42]

Yah, VERY interested in that dyno... especially at the slow end of things, since I'm running in an autocross environment...

[EchoOfSilence]

sooo..............


where's the shock dyno, KidDynomite?

[tErbo b00st]

The shock dyno is coming...they are in the process of making the mounts.

I have now been driving on my Stance's for over a month now and I still love them. The damping is crazy good, especially considering I have shitty all-seasons. I have done a small amount of parking lot drifting and really like the way they feel thus far. Of course the true test is a full track day w/ good tires, but that will have to be in atleast a month. Still give it 2 thumbs up!

[cgguy]

Anyone out there able to add a new review? Iv'e done as much research as possible on these but with such limited time on the market it's still hard to find first hand reviews from actual owners.

I'm literally a day or two away from plunkin' down my cash on a set. I'd love to hear any good (or bad) reviews from anyone running these coils.

Thanks!

[SoSideways]

Seems like the Enjuku drivers love these coilovers.

So I'd say that they're good shit.

[speedstar01]

any more personal reviews on these coilovers would rock!:angel:

[mistert]

i can tell you this, stay away from the HKS coils. i had/have hks hiper-d (i still use the rears) and while theyre great, they blow for streetcar and are simply not worth the money. that and hks usa aren't very friendly when it comes to rebuilding, very expensive, bad turnover rate, and they make you go through authorized dealer

for a budget coilover the mookeh's are cool, i picked up a set for $300 (same as the powertrix ones as far as i know) i have those on the front of my car right now. i just changed the springrate to an 8. i couldnt care less about them because they have even more height adjustability than the hks and the car is a daily driven street car.

edit- i really regret not just buying the silkroads or gp sports, best on the market for the money that i know of. warreng at speedalliance always has great deals on them

these origin/d-drug coilovers look pretty interesting, too...

[k-specdrft]

yes stance ar great my friend has them on his s14 and he loves them and his exhaust is like an 1inch or 2 from the ground its low and stiff ive ridin with drifting and its awesome! go with them for all you people that like it low, and stiff

[devonkyle77]

would these be more comfortable on the street than say, megan coilovers?

[cgguy]

would these be more comfortable on the street than say, megan coilovers?


They both have 8/6 spring rates so the ride would be similar.

I have the Stance and even with damping set to full soft potholes still really, really hurt.

[24Dee]

They both have 8/6 spring rates so the ride would be similar.

I have the Stance and even with damping set to full soft potholes still really, really hurt.


NYC potholes are bone jarring on stock s14 suspension! You learn to be a different driver with c/o's.....

but yea, I would imagine any aftermarket suspension setup would make pot holes a bit harsher!

[tre]

To my knowledge stance = best bang for buck

[tre]

plus they give you a set of 9/7k springs aswell.

But i'd scrap both sets of springs and go buy some afco springs to the rate i want. lol

[1Via!]

I love my stances'. Ive been driving on them daily for about a month now, and they continue to impress me. :w00t:
For what I paid i am very happy.
However, I am looking forward to seeing the dyno results.

[Xracer]

Ive got these, i have the 9/7's on there, its not that stiff at all to me. When i first put them on the car handled so neutral compared to stock, i can corner so much faster, body roll is almost gone. The only problem ive had is the clearance between the lower rear mount and the ruca's there is VERY little space in beween them and they rub sometimes if there is enough flex in the suspension comopnents. i just flipped the bottom mounts around and its all good now.They can be a tad on the bouncy side if you get on a highway thats not very friendly. ive never used any other coilover so i cant compare to anything else.

[SilviaSR20DET]

is the switching of springs a easy thing to do? i just ordered mine and wiatin for them to get sent to me so i just want to know how to put the springs on and off. thanks

[KiDyNomiTe]

Its just like adjusting the height, just spin the bottom bracket and collars off, replace spring and then put them back on.

[Prok0]

Any shock dynos yet? I remember like 2 months ago someone claimed they were getting them?

[mykem]

side by side pic comparison to my ex Kei Office:

http://www.fototime.com/inv/FBC6938D344C9D3

[TurK]

they look real good next to other brands....but do they perform as good? im guessing kts is the competition here.....what make you guys choose these over kts or megans?

[Xracer]

I chose them because i liked the design, they come with 2 sets of springs, and i got them for a good price. plus they just look sexy.

[Jefferson]

yeah a KTS vs Stance comparision would be great. I am kind of torn between the two and don't know which ones to replace my Teins with

[turtl631]

I've got a set of Stance on my S14 and my roomate has a set of KTS on his S14. I haven't really been able to drive on mine yet though. I'll post later on when I have a better comparison, but it still won't be that detailed since our cars are setup fairly differently.

And where's that shock dyno? I'd really like to see it. The KTS one is on the SPL website; they aren't very digressive at all, but the adjustments actually do something and they make a lot of damping force, notably in the low speed area where its important. They probably feel stiff because the high speed damping is pretty brutal.

[cgguy]

Anyone ever heard of HSD coilovers? No? They are a company out of Austrailia, and, if a picture is worth a thousand words they seem to get thier coils from the same place Stance does. I found out HSD coilovers are manufactured in Korea. So perhaps finally an answer as to the build location of Stance's products.

Both are inverted monotube, they share the same damping and spring rates, and they both cost roughly the same price. Aside from being green they look like identical products.

Have a look and see what you think.

Stance
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/cgguy/473.jpg

HDS
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/cgguy/1216.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/cgguy/hds15hrrear.jpg

http://www.otomoto.com.au/HDSystems/index.htm

[DoriftoSlut]

Peep those lower brackets, no dust boots, the damping adjustability is different from my Stance and the bumpstops are different, rear shock appears to be thinner, perches are thinner...


I dunno, if its the same factory, the parts are different between the 2...

[alkemyst]

plus they give you a set of 9/7k springs aswell.

But i'd scrap both sets of springs and go buy some afco springs to the rate i want. lol

what rate?


seriously add more to that blurb.

[alkemyst]

plus they give you a set of 9/7k springs aswell.

But i'd scrap both sets of springs and go buy some afco springs to the rate i want. lol

what rate?


seriously add more to that blurb.

[-L(-.O)]

I cant explain stance to anyone, but after riding in my cousins 240 with stance... I'm odering them tomorrow.... couldn't care about the other ones. (only because it fits with my driving style) : )

[Clawhammer]

Me too if the Auto RND guys would get back to work! I'm racing a clock here! :D

[Gumballf355]

I love the Stance Coilovers... I need to pay AutoRnD a visit.

[ilovecoupes]

I got my Stances from AutoRnD. I hade a few problems with my card, but i was happy with the customer service, really cool there helped me as much as he could. I ordered them on thursday and got them Monday

[zackt69]

Got my Stance GR+ Pros from AutoRnD... great price/service, and they shipped em here fast! The coilovers are great so far, going to an event this Saturday to give em the real test.

[Clawhammer]

I wish I had mine. Damn AutoRnD. Over the holiday's Rishie quoted me a price for the GR+ Pros with Z32 rear lowermounts and said they'd ship out on the 2nd when he returned to work...I ordered the 3rd...the 4th he called to say the Z32 brackets were on order from Japan and would be in in a week or two and to make sure it was ok with me. I thought what great customer service sure that'll be fine. Last week I emailed him to see what was up and he said the brackets wouldn't be in till the end of the month. That's just in, that's not even shipped to me. So I was upset to learn that my car will be sitting without it's suspension EVEN longer and asked how much it would cost to just buy the z32 brackets extra when they come in, atleast I could use my S13 uprights until then. Either that or cancel my order and get them somewhere else where I can actually recieve them somewhat speedily. Well Rishie has since stopped replying to me? I don't know.

Maybe next month if/when I get them I can tell you how they are. Sorry for the book, it just sort of happened.

[Xracer]

any of you guys seen the +3's. thoes things are BADASS. seen a set in person. they are sick.

[Gumballf355]

http://www.dropshots.com/photos/149/20070111/052551.jpg

[reaxion]

picked up my GR+ Pro's from touge factory yesterday, and wow. how I was driving my car w/o them, Ill never know. beautiful coilovers (beefy in comparison to my buddys teins) I love them. I really need to get the rest of my suspension and put my car to the test.

[Rookie84]

Any reviews for serious drift usage?

[KiDyNomiTe]

Any reviews for serious drift usage?
Enjuku has them on their cars, Rob Fleming went from never qualifying to finishing in the top 16 i believe. Other than that look through my reviews, i love them to death for drifting. A lot smoother and more responsive than the Silk Roads that I had.

[R33E8]

Has anyone tried the GR+3's yet?

[Sil-Abc]

u look like mel :D