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tharocket · 09-13-2017, 01:32 PM

Hello my name is Evan and i had a question before i even started assembeling the parts for my 300zx brake upgrade. I just picked up my S13 hatch today and i noticed that i am missing the hardline to my driverside brake caliper. I picked this car up as a project and i have the time to find the right part for the right problem no cheap and easy fixes. The other part of the problem i am having starting on htis build is the car is non-abs and i honestly have never owned a car without abs and i was honestly hoping to use this car as my daily and a part time weekend warrior right now. Again she has no motor, no tranny it does have the diff and allot of the original parts but i want to focus on the brakes right now. My whole plan is to do the complete z32 swap on all 4 wheels (5-lug Conversion also) but i want to know if i am shooting myself in the foot not having the abs system. And if so what are my options of adding the system considering wiring is not a problem like i said i have a clear bay with my sr20 literally in the garage in my house. Please i want to build a safe and Bada** baby even if its a 5 yr process.

1fuckedS13 · 09-13-2017, 01:34 PM

the no abs will make you a better driver forsure

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tharocket · 09-13-2017, 01:38 PM

that is true but id rater mess with this stuff since i literally have the time and space with no issues in between

nisileighty · 09-13-2017, 01:44 PM

No ABS is better than ABS. Imho it makes the brakes spongey and doesn't work half the time. Just my 2c

Also, please do the 5 lug AND z32 brake swap. It'll make it a million times better.

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tharocket · 09-13-2017, 02:02 PM

That's honestly why I'm here it's my first step please can you just let plain a little more why you feel that way? I'm not a master tech bottom line. But I'm here for your guys opinions so please elaborate

nisileighty · 09-13-2017, 02:13 PM

I've driven with ABS and non ABS and the system is just too old I guess. Doesn't work that well.

The brakes make stopping WORLDS different and the five lug is not only required if you swap the calipers because if the need for z32 rotors but also opens up worlds of rim selections as 4 lug kinda sucks ass. For less than $500, you can get the whole brake swap and 5 lug conversion done.

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tharocket · 09-13-2017, 02:27 PM

Please tell me where because honestly I've been looking and my buddy sent me to an after market site that he honestly use daily and I liked it but everything said and done looked about a thousand dollars for all four and the calipers and rotors. T lol me more lol!

1fuckedS13 · 09-13-2017, 02:28 PM

craigslist and ebay

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nisileighty · 09-13-2017, 02:39 PM

Don't buy things brand new. Craigslist, zilvia marketplace, eBay... don't fuck your wallet.

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tharocket · 09-13-2017, 02:59 PM

True I just am nevereous of trying to literally search eBay for my knuckles it's the most important part in the rear swap right

nisileighty · 09-13-2017, 03:07 PM

No, you don't need to do the knuckles. In fact, I don't recommend doing the z32 knuckles unless you have z32/s13 hybrid coilovers. The bottom mount of the z32 is different than the s13.

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tharocket · 09-13-2017, 03:16 PM

So how can I do this I feel I've read like drive pages on literally the rear swap what did I mis about the knuckles how can I fix this issue

nisileighty · 09-13-2017, 03:38 PM

Use OEM S13 knuckles, z32 calipers, rotors, hubs, e-brake drums. You'll need z32 2+2 e brake cables and brackets to adapt them. The front needs conversion hubs, calipers, and rotors. Front and rear will need brake conversion lines

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tharocket · 09-13-2017, 04:17 PM

Ok word that's allot easier to bite off the only snag I have is I looked over my car and I don't have the driver side hard line? I definitely need help sourcing this line

nisileighty · 09-13-2017, 04:19 PM

Local pick and pull or a junkyard is your best bet.

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Standard · 09-14-2017, 09:59 PM

The brake conversion has been beaten to death in terms of information/knowledge available with a quick search. As for the abs, be happy you have a chassis without it. The abs system in cars from the '90's compared to cars today is vastly different as far as response/feel is considered. I would never want an abs equipped s-chassis! A missing hardline is not a big deal at all, simple tools will allow you to make one yourself for CHEAP!

Do a ton of research, and if your ever stumped, shoot me a pm and I'll be happy to help. Good luck!!

tharocket · 09-15-2017, 01:41 PM

Good sir I appreciate this. I'll take this as a good time to say I've taken the leap, I happened across a 90 na and was able to get the whole setup minus the hub and bearing. It is honestly ok because I wanted to do the five lug swap regardless so on ward and upward I will keep updated.

tharocket · 09-15-2017, 01:56 PM

I did have a new question in offsets what's probably the better setup for staggering on the stock body?

Standard · 09-16-2017, 10:50 PM

Talking about wheels? First off, I wouldn't recommend a staggered setup right off the bat. Look into something around the likes of 17x9 all around. +20 offset, 235/40 for a gripier goal, or 215/40 on a +12-15ish offset for a lowered, decent looking fitment deal.

And once again, search! Wheel fitment thread, wheel fitment question thread, maximum tire fitment thread, all in the chat section. Also rimtuck.com.

Read, look at pics, repeat!! Good luck!

09-13-2017, 01:32 PM	#1
tharocket Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: New Mexico Age: 33 Posts: 40 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	89 240 sx New build and need to collect some advise Hello my name is Evan and i had a question before i even started assembeling the parts for my 300zx brake upgrade. I just picked up my S13 hatch today and i noticed that i am missing the hardline to my driverside brake caliper. I picked this car up as a project and i have the time to find the right part for the right problem no cheap and easy fixes. The other part of the problem i am having starting on htis build is the car is non-abs and i honestly have never owned a car without abs and i was honestly hoping to use this car as my daily and a part time weekend warrior right now. Again she has no motor, no tranny it does have the diff and allot of the original parts but i want to focus on the brakes right now. My whole plan is to do the complete z32 swap on all 4 wheels (5-lug Conversion also) but i want to know if i am shooting myself in the foot not having the abs system. And if so what are my options of adding the system considering wiring is not a problem like i said i have a clear bay with my sr20 literally in the garage in my house. Please i want to build a safe and Bada** baby even if its a 5 yr process.

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09-13-2017, 01:34 PM	#2
1fuckedS13 Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: San Jose Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the no abs will make you a better driver forsure Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09-13-2017, 01:38 PM	#3
tharocket Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: New Mexico Age: 33 Posts: 40 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	that is true but id rater mess with this stuff since i literally have the time and space with no issues in between

09-13-2017, 01:44 PM	#4
nisileighty Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,215 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	No ABS is better than ABS. Imho it makes the brakes spongey and doesn't work half the time. Just my 2c Also, please do the 5 lug AND z32 brake swap. It'll make it a million times better. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09-13-2017, 02:02 PM	#5
tharocket Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: New Mexico Age: 33 Posts: 40 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	That's honestly why I'm here it's my first step please can you just let plain a little more why you feel that way? I'm not a master tech bottom line. But I'm here for your guys opinions so please elaborate

09-13-2017, 02:13 PM	#6
nisileighty Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,215 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	I've driven with ABS and non ABS and the system is just too old I guess. Doesn't work that well. The brakes make stopping WORLDS different and the five lug is not only required if you swap the calipers because if the need for z32 rotors but also opens up worlds of rim selections as 4 lug kinda sucks ass. For less than $500, you can get the whole brake swap and 5 lug conversion done. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09-13-2017, 02:27 PM	#7
tharocket Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: New Mexico Age: 33 Posts: 40 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Please tell me where because honestly I've been looking and my buddy sent me to an after market site that he honestly use daily and I liked it but everything said and done looked about a thousand dollars for all four and the calipers and rotors. T lol me more lol!

09-13-2017, 02:28 PM	#8
1fuckedS13 Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: San Jose Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	craigslist and ebay Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09-13-2017, 02:39 PM	#9
nisileighty Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,215 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Don't buy things brand new. Craigslist, zilvia marketplace, eBay... don't fuck your wallet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09-13-2017, 02:59 PM	#10
tharocket Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: New Mexico Age: 33 Posts: 40 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	True I just am nevereous of trying to literally search eBay for my knuckles it's the most important part in the rear swap right

09-13-2017, 03:07 PM	#11
nisileighty Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,215 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	No, you don't need to do the knuckles. In fact, I don't recommend doing the z32 knuckles unless you have z32/s13 hybrid coilovers. The bottom mount of the z32 is different than the s13. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09-13-2017, 03:16 PM	#12
tharocket Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: New Mexico Age: 33 Posts: 40 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	So how can I do this I feel I've read like drive pages on literally the rear swap what did I mis about the knuckles how can I fix this issue

09-13-2017, 03:38 PM	#13
nisileighty Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,215 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Use OEM S13 knuckles, z32 calipers, rotors, hubs, e-brake drums. You'll need z32 2+2 e brake cables and brackets to adapt them. The front needs conversion hubs, calipers, and rotors. Front and rear will need brake conversion lines Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09-13-2017, 04:17 PM	#14
tharocket Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: New Mexico Age: 33 Posts: 40 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Ok word that's allot easier to bite off the only snag I have is I looked over my car and I don't have the driver side hard line? I definitely need help sourcing this line

09-13-2017, 04:19 PM	#15
nisileighty Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,215 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Local pick and pull or a junkyard is your best bet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09-14-2017, 09:59 PM	#16
Standard Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Milwaukee Age: 31 Posts: 810 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	The brake conversion has been beaten to death in terms of information/knowledge available with a quick search. As for the abs, be happy you have a chassis without it. The abs system in cars from the '90's compared to cars today is vastly different as far as response/feel is considered. I would never want an abs equipped s-chassis! A missing hardline is not a big deal at all, simple tools will allow you to make one yourself for CHEAP! Do a ton of research, and if your ever stumped, shoot me a pm and I'll be happy to help. Good luck!!

09-15-2017, 01:41 PM	#17
tharocket Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: New Mexico Age: 33 Posts: 40 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Good sir I appreciate this. I'll take this as a good time to say I've taken the leap, I happened across a 90 na and was able to get the whole setup minus the hub and bearing. It is honestly ok because I wanted to do the five lug swap regardless so on ward and upward I will keep updated.

09-15-2017, 01:56 PM	#18
tharocket Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: New Mexico Age: 33 Posts: 40 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I did have a new question in offsets what's probably the better setup for staggering on the stock body?

09-16-2017, 10:50 PM	#19
Standard Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Milwaukee Age: 31 Posts: 810 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	Talking about wheels? First off, I wouldn't recommend a staggered setup right off the bat. Look into something around the likes of 17x9 all around. +20 offset, 235/40 for a gripier goal, or 215/40 on a +12-15ish offset for a lowered, decent looking fitment deal. And once again, search! Wheel fitment thread, wheel fitment question thread, maximum tire fitment thread, all in the chat section. Also rimtuck.com. Read, look at pics, repeat!! Good luck!