nomoremk2

There was no excessive force whatsoever. Watch the beginning of the video. How many times were they warned and still didn't leave? The guy who got slammed WAS resisting arrest. A memorial is not a public place to dance like that. As stated before they should have gotten a permit for this and they could have danced in cops faces all day long freely. I feel like there are a million better ways to celebrate Jeffersons beliefs rather than what they did here. They were acting like fools and didn't take the warning. What do you think a cop is going to do when some jackass in aviators is dancing in his face? Everything that happened could have been avoided with some common sense. You simply don't mess with police like that. They have the upper hand everytime and when it comes to their word against yours, you lose. Simply, don't put yourself in such a situation.

ESmorz

Yeah, some power hungry good 'ol boy warns you and you have to listen to him or you get choked slammed to the floor, because that's the American way.

Let's all get buzz cuts and go on power trips. Clean cut and ready for action.

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In what way is doing your job as a police officer going on a powertrip? They needed to be removed from the memorial and weren't cooperating with the officers. You guys keep talking about power trips but as crappy as it is, they did their job.

sidewaysil80

whether you agree or not, the cop says to do something you do it. if you disagree, cooperate at the moment and fight it legally after the matter. what good is it to resist and argue? you are obviously not going to win...do that shit in court. thats what the judicial system is for. if your doing something wrong or not allowed and a cop tells you to do something is he supposed to sit there and argue with you? maybe keep asking you nicely over and over and over and over? cops have authority, whether you agree/disagree or like/not like regardless they do. and until that gets revoked, guess what? you have to listen and cooperate with them. if you don't then don't bitch when you get tossed around or arrested. can you realisticly/honestly tell me that you think society would function better or the country would be a better place if EVERY person shared the mentality of these people and protested/contested every law or rule they disagree with? not quietly or tactfully protested, i'm talking disturbance/aggressive methods.

but seriously, why was he power tripping? because he excercised his authority to tell some attention hungry jerk offs to stop causing a disturbance/scene at a place where he is responsible for? i'm NOT at all saying people shouldn't protest or people should ALWAYS agree with the govt. i'm saying, their is a time and a place and a way to do so that is civil and LEGAL. if you don't agree with the original ladies arrest, write a letter/protest at the court w/e. don't go to the place where it happened and do the EXACT same thing she did. its not ok to break a law or not follow rules just because you don't agree them, i can't explain how pissed it makes me when that happens.

Otto347

Bingo, they werent doing it because they like to dance. They were looking for a reaction.

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Sideways, I see your point. To a major extent, I agree with you.

I do need to play devils advocate on the idea though.


Civil disobedience has been something occurring for a while, and many times it involved a peaceful, albiet illegal protest.


African Americans stages sit-ins, despite the businesses clear and legal authority to try to have them thrown out.


These demonstrations are important in order to get the message out.






My issue however, is that people are protesting the stupidest shit these days. Major issues like racism, or sexism are worth protesting for.

One idiot who pranced around in a street after being told not to? Not worth protesting for. Period. At the point in time that we as a society are walking around and protesting stupid shit like this, it makes me believe that we really don't have any attention being brought to real issues... or people are completely oblivious towards much bigger issues. Perhaps when the American Dollar drops in value further, and we are all scrounging for food and trying to prevent riots... maybe finally the idiots who feel the need to protest everything will finally have their hands full with dealing with real important issues (like keeping their family fed) instead of projecting some stupid ass issue which has little relevance to the way of the world in the first place.



By doing a stupid demonstration about dancing on memorials, you arent saving the world. You arent preventing world hunger. You are acting like an idiot in public. Congrats.

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ESmorz

My real problem is using violence against non-violent "criminals". They easily could have just escorted them outside the memorial and written them up for whatever they would write them up for and actually done the job of a peace officer. They didn't do that though, they raged. Just because someone doesn't listen to you, and because you can do what they did, doesn't mean you should. There is something inherently wrong with the fact that people think it's okay for police officers to use force against non-violent individuals.

People need to stop focusing on the dancing aspect of it, and the silliness of their reasons for the protest and realize the bigger picture. They baited these cops into doing exactly what they thought they would, because this is what police all over our country do.

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Bbsalexaz

What law are they in violation of???.... We will find out... I really don't see a major issue. They are not obstructing anything, unless people were complaining, in that case they would have been forced to leave, not arrested. There is no cause for an arrest there. The police are wrong there.

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You're starting to see this kind of thing more and more in the US, especially in the Southern states / Border states...

Personal rights are starting to be thrown out all over the place. I agree with these guys trying to stop this ignorance. If you cannot express yourself in the Memorial for the #1 Proponent of Personal Rights, then you DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHTS.... period.

These people's rights were being taken away from them, regardless of their motives. They were NOT doing anything wrong and they were accosted for it.

Anyone who thinks otherwise, don't be surprised when we have another Nazi Regime on our hands.

Otto347

Give me a fucking break. I wish this did happen in Nazi Germany, they would have been executed on the spot. Game the fuck over for the retards.

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blingbling

Cops are douchebags, but iff you know they don't react well to insubordination, then why keep aggravating them? You don't slap a pitbull in the face thinking its not going to bite you and when it does, start bitching about how its not allowed to and unfair. Half those people looked mentally ill anyway who gives a fuck haha. Some beat ass hippies if you ask me

Matej

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Is dancing around the Jefferson Memorial stupid?

Yes...I think everyone agrees on that point.


Is getting arresting for dancing at the Jefferson Memorial stupid?

I think so.


Is getting choked on the ground while having your hands up in a completely nonthreatening way ridiculous?

I think so as well.


Is not listening to police officers when they tell you politely not to do something stupid?

Yes...but if they are telling you not to do something perfectly legal they shouldn't be able to arrest you because they don't like what you're doing.

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yokotas13

dude has his hands up, but was still resisting. did you not see te effort it took to put his body anywhere?
they told him what to do and he didnt do it, he just kept rigid with hands up.
these guys are typical law student righteous asshats.

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95KA-Turbo

So which is worse? 'Resisting' an unwarranted arrest, or arresting someone for no reason? I don't see how being rigid with your hands up is resisting arrest....I also don't see why its necessary to throw someone on the ground and choke them because they're standing there with their hands up.

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yokotas13

i guess it is just common sense to do what a cop asks?
being a dumbass just made it worse on him. either way he was getting arrested man. Right or wrong is debatable. but either way he was getting himself in cuffs. might as well not be a dumabss and just do it and get it over with then deal with it later.

that is just my opinion, but im a law abiding citizen, so whatever

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Otto347

Holy shit, are you serious? You are using your muscles to "resist" him putting your hands behind your back, its not rocket science.

Another thing, I have never been roughed up by a cop. You know why? When I get pulled over or stopped for doing something stupid its always "Yes sir, no sir" and I do exactly what the officer tells me to do. I would never think of yelling at a cop or fucking with someone while the officer is try to cuff them.

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ESmorz

Get in the car citizen.

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yokotas13

thats cool, while you are arguing and digging yourslef deeper, ill be walking out cause i didnt resist, and shit was a misunderstanding.

unless you really did do something stupid

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Prime

I'm going to preface my statements a bit. Never been in trouble with the law, never arrested, clean driving record, very few tickets ever.

That said, Police have never been anything but an annoyance in my life. My house is broken into, I call 911, then chase the guy off. 74 hours later, the police send a tech to take prints. Nothing else. Numerous other times I've been harassed and inconvenienced by traffic cops who wanted nothing more than to try and screw me out of my hard earned money. When I see an officer forcibly grab a person and demand they go to their knees without hearing the words: "You are under arrest" I tend to side with the civilian. Especially considering I've seen people arrested for resisting arrest.

Think about that for a moment. No other charge. Not assault, disorderly conduct, murder, or rape. Resisting arrest. How can you resist being arrested when there was no reason given for you to have been arrested in the first place? That may not be entirely the case here, but shouting "This is your last warning" with your hands around a mans throat doesn't sound like Miranda rights to me.

So, I don't agree with the protest entirely, but I agree far less with the actions of the police involved.

sw20>>s14

im so tired of this personal rights/infringement of freedom movement...i dont get what people are afraid of...do you really think our country will emerge as a nazi fascist regime? go to school, get some education, land a job, start a family, and live your life...

for every attention craved hipster joining this movement and trying to make a statement, there are 20 americans that are enjoying life with what they have, that NEVER have run ins with the police or the law...but this group of people are labeled "sheeople" or ignorant...and why is that? i just dont understand...

do you guys really think power hungry police are going to inhibit your success or happiness in america? there have always been power hungry figures and unjust arrests, how does that directly affect you? while cry babies in walnut creek started the open carry movement in the bay area to make a statement, my brother went and got his CCW...one group wanted media coverage and attention, another got the results/goal without a peep...

while you hipsters are getting arrested for testing the limits of law enforcement to make a statement, there are plenty of people that have absolutely no problem and enjoying the american life...stop trying to initiate this revolt against "the man"...

are there major flaws and corruption in our legal system and the authoritative figures that uphold them? fuck yeah...

are trendy flash mobs that invoke cops trying to do their job the right channel to protest this? cmon now...

bet not one of those hipsters in the vid have ever had a problem with law enforcement...why provoke and push the envelope? want to make a statement? do an aids walk, protest genocide, protest the dearth of government based education funding, protest human rights in africa and congo...

people are MORE than aware that there are power hungry corrupt cops running around...is dancing at a memorial bringing attention to that? is it battling anything? is dancing at a memorial going reopen and overturn the decision of every cop vs. citizen case? are they doing us a favor by bringing something new to the light? no, and thats the bottom line...

and while i dont agree with the cops protocol, a cops demand is a cops demand...what possible result could have happened by standing your ground and disobeying a cop? make a statement by fighting the legal battle later on...this isnt the 70s anymore...

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ESmorz

Let me preface this with, "I honestly respect your opinion here more than most."

These are the programmed social norms, and as long as you follow them everything will be honky dory. Meanwhile, the slimy corporate politicians will continue to push through whatever they want, as long as they provide the means to supply this manufactured image of the "American Dream." As long as you have an ipod in your hand, 3.2 kids, and two cars in your garage what could possibly be going wrong with the world you live in?

The vast majority of the middle and upper class buy into those ideals and don't realize the power they have to change this country. They would rather facetime fuck each other and eat at Tony Roma's then take a good look around at what's happened to this country. People no longer believe that en masse the people have the power,and sickeningly we are taught this by our elders. We vote down the party line, and just accept the fact that the few people we have to choose from for our commander in chief are selected for us, and most of the population blindly vote for whoever we put into the Senate and the House of Representatives (in which most people don't even know the difference between the two).

/rant

Like I said, I believe their methods of protest were silly, but it shows quite clearly the problem with giving too much power/protection to those who don't deserve it. i.e the police force

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fuckin PIGS haha

sidewaysil80

i mean this is basically the same as every other police thread at this point lol.

iStayBroke

This whole thing is just stupid.

They go to protest an arrest (that was held up in court) by doing the exact same thing?
How did that make sense to them? They knew the officer would ask them to leave, and they react by disrespecting him (most people know that you just don't do that).

The officer reacted poorly as well, even though it was after several warnings were given.

No matter what you say, that is resisting arrest, as it is preventing the officer from cuffing you (even if you don't want to be cuffed)

For all they know the officers could have just been escorting them away from the memorial and then un-cuffed them. They seem like the type of people that would just keep coming back until force was needed anyway.

In my opinion this is not a infringement of an personal rights, just a bunch of assholes pushing their limit and harassing officers, then crying about it when they cross the line.
Then it gets blown out of proportion and put on a fucking pedestal for no reason (comparing it to race protests or any other legitimate protest is a joke)

Stupid shit like this is why I don't watch the news anymore. You will see a celebrity sex scandal aired as breaking news and then following that a report on a tornado taking a hundred lives.

/end rant

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Otto347

^^^This, if you want to do something with all your free time make it worth your wild. Dont take a shit in a urinal just because you can and then fight the bouncer when he tries to throw you out of the club. (Basically same stupid scenario)

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i was waitin for it.

!Zar!

Funeral Flash Mob anyone?

Trying to get it started around 9am on September 11th.

Song that will be playing - Arab money.

We are totally safe and cool to do this. FREEDOM OF SPEECH...right?

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Wake

Only if we do it on the steps of the state capital.

Ill be there in my american flag shirt.

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