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SLiDe_WaYz · 08-28-2011, 08:02 PM

Ok, I searched and every thread I found the pics were removed. I just need to know how to route the lines. It's going to be mounted on the passenger fender like most are. My instructions are Japanese of course. No pictures either. So can anyone post pics up of there setup and help out a premie please. Greatly appreciated.

Bought it bc I guess I'm a idiot and can't bleed the system correctly obviously. So anyone care to help me out.

It's a S13 and the engine is a redtop Sr20.

Thanks for any help.

travypoo · 08-28-2011, 08:11 PM

here is my parts shop max swirl pot. bottom port goes to lower rad hose

Fred Allen Burge · 08-28-2011, 08:29 PM

Check out this article, it's boss.

Awesome cooling system article.

Ignore the fact that it's for an LS1, doesn't matter.

SLiDe_WaYz · 08-28-2011, 09:11 PM

Appreciate the reply's. For your PBM setup, bottom goes to the lower rad hose, one is going to the water neck, and the other to the radiator correct? Is the other tank behind there another breather tank as well? I'm guessing from that pic you have no need for a coolant over flow tank with one of these? Sorry for the noobish questions just want to do it right.

SLiDe_WaYz · 08-28-2011, 09:12 PM

And to add your engine bay is BOSS.

Fred Allen Burge · 08-29-2011, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLiDe_WaYz

Appreciate the reply's. For your PBM setup, bottom goes to the lower rad hose, one is going to the water neck, and the other to the radiator correct? Is the other tank behind there another breather tank as well? I'm guessing from that pic you have no need for a coolant over flow tank with one of these? Sorry for the noobish questions just want to do it right.

Read that article, it answers that question and more!

s14unimog · 08-29-2011, 11:21 AM

I hope Powered By Max doesn't mind but this is pretty clear.

SLiDe_WaYz · 08-29-2011, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s14unimog

I hope Powered By Max doesn't mind but this is pretty clear.

Damn didn't even see that. That's perfectly clear.

Mister.E · 08-29-2011, 05:30 PM

Where do people buy the fitting that they usually put in the waterneck?

s14unimog · 08-29-2011, 07:36 PM

^the water neck? As in the little spacer for a sensor pickup? Stance?

Jtuned_andy · 08-29-2011, 09:26 PM

fittings came with my greddy swirl tank

Quote:

Originally Posted by E Double

Where do people buy the fitting that they usually put in the waterneck?

***S14DB*** · 08-29-2011, 09:38 PM

I drilled mine out to 1/4NPT and put a hose adapter in it.

Mister.E · 08-29-2011, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s14unimog

^the water neck? As in the little spacer for a sensor pickup? Stance?

ah, that's not a bad idea at all.

s14unimog · 08-31-2011, 01:01 PM

not a bad idea for what? that schematic seems to indicate the inline tap must be pulled from the "cold" supply. I was just answering what I thought you were asking...

Mister.E · 08-31-2011, 01:28 PM

nah, you reminded me of that stance/DiF waterneck spacer. that would be a great place to place a barb to tap off of.

However, i have a KA and they dont make those for a KA.

***S14DB*** · 08-31-2011, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E Double

nah, you reminded me of that stance/DiF waterneck spacer. that would be a great place to place a barb to tap off of.

However, i have a KA and they dont make those for a KA.

I pulled my whole intake manifold off and drilled it out and tapped it to 1/4NPT. Stock hole was just to small to put any decent sized fitting in it.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 09-02-2011, 07:03 PM

I ghetto rigged my KA. I found a brake caliper bleeder that fits the KA. I grinded the bottom out so its a straight thru and used it. It works, not like I'm gonna keep this POS KA forever...

s14unimog · 09-03-2011, 12:40 PM

^sick...

msglngh

Bigalow311 · 01-08-2012, 04:58 AM

I received an infraction for keeping this thread in my 'subscribed threads...'

Quote:

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

I ghetto rigged my KA. I found a brake caliper bleeder that fits the KA. I grinded the bottom out so its a straight thru and used it. It works, not like I'm gonna keep this POS KA forever...

Thanks for letting me see your setup yesterday. I definitely need this mod to help promote effecient cooling. I noticed that SARD makes a similar product:
Sard - Lower Hose Adapter Set & Option parts - Nengun Performance

I like the fact that it's a more compact solution to the MAX product.

codyace · 01-08-2012, 07:36 PM

I understand how these systems work, but don't understand how so many people have overheating/bleeding issues. My car has been apart a zillion times, as have my other ones...never had an issue.

Edit: ANd that's with more track miles than some cars see on street.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 01-08-2012, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigalow311

I received an infraction for keeping this thread in my 'subscribed threads...'

Thanks for letting me see your setup yesterday. I definitely need this mod to help promote effecient cooling. I noticed that SARD makes a similar product:
Sard - Lower Hose Adapter Set & Option parts - Nengun Performance

I like the fact that it's a more compact solution to the MAX product.

Thats just the return line. You need that and an actual tank. Thats the part you need to install on the radiator return line to the water pump/themostat housing.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 01-08-2012, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codyace

I understand how these systems work, but don't understand how so many people have overheating/bleeding issues. My car has been apart a zillion times, as have my other ones...never had an issue.

Some engines are just a pain in the ass. SRs were easy to bleed but this damn KA kept getting air in the system. Then throw in that I'm burning coolant somewhere (think HG is slowly dying) so I'm almost always low on coolant.

RBs are just as notorious from what I'm told due to the location of the bleeder. Alot of RB guys I knew in Okinawa swears by swirl pots.

Bigalow311 · 01-08-2012, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codyace

I understand how these systems work, but don't understand how so many people have overheating/bleeding issues. My car has been apart a zillion times, as have my other ones...never had an issue.

Edit: ANd that's with more track miles than some cars see on street.

Once a upon a time, I opened up my radiator cap and literally smelled fish. There was rust floating around the coolant. I took measures to flush my block and radiator as well as change to a Nismo T-stat but I believe that I still have rust deposits throughout my block. I will potentially have nice, comfortable places for air to get trapped. The Max breather is a good solution for me to 'be better protected from Mayhem.'

Quote:

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Thats just the return line. You need that and an actual tank. Thats the part you need to install on the radiator return line to the water pump/themostat housing.

I noticed that after the fact. I have to call Max tomorrow to see how quickly they will have the vortex tanks. That will dictate where I will ship the kit and install it.

dudermagee · 01-08-2012, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Allen Burge

Check out this article, it's boss.

Awesome cooling system article.

Ignore the fact that it's for an LS1, doesn't matter.

Oh but it does if you're going LSX

thanks man

codyace · 01-08-2012, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

RBs are just as notorious from what I'm told due to the location of the bleeder. Alot of RB guys I knew in Okinawa swears by swirl pots.

That and the coolant path goes through the manifold and all that. Even still, I don't get how a bleeder tank actually bleeds any better/worse than the OEM sysem. Gotta think of how many OEM cars go forever with the stock junk...without any worry or issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigalow311

Once a upon a time, I opened up my radiator cap and literally smelled fish. There was rust floating around the coolant. I took measures to flush my block and radiator as well as change to a Nismo T-stat but I believe that I still have rust deposits throughout my block. I will potentially have nice, comfortable places for air to get trapped. The Max breather is a good solution for me to 'be better protected from Mayhem.'

Once upon a time I understood how the system worked; I knew better lowering the thermostat opening temp below the ECU's 'point' of being warmed up, and knew that if I had rust in the system that no coolant surge tank on earth would actually bleed the system and take it out.

Cliffs: Fill your system with water, run it, drain it. Rinse/refill/repeat a fwe tims. once the rust is gone, put regular coolant in and be happy

Bigalow311 · 01-09-2012, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codyace

That and the coolant path goes through the manifold and all that. Even still, I don't get how a bleeder tank actually bleeds any better/worse than the OEM sysem. Gotta think of how many OEM cars go forever with the stock junk...without any worry or issue.

Once upon a time I understood how the system worked; I knew better lowering the thermostat opening temp below the ECU's 'point' of being warmed up, and knew that if I had rust in the system that no coolant surge tank on earth would actually bleed the system and take it out.

Cliffs: Fill your system with water, run it, drain it. Rinse/refill/repeat a fwe tims. once the rust is gone, put regular coolant in and be happy

I'll try to bleed it again since I didn't get a warm, fuzzy that I properly bled it last time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudermagee

Oh but it does if you're going LSX

thanks man

Here's another 1:
OMG My RB is overheating!

delado · 01-09-2012, 08:55 AM

Does anybody sell a proper fitting to replace the bleeder screw on the waterneck? In the diagram, it says that if you don't have it, just cap it of from the pot? Does that make sense?

alwyzDTF · 04-22-2013, 01:01 AM

Would I be able to use this

Stance ST7 Water Neck Adapter Nissan SR20DET

as opposed to cutting up my samco hose?
Or do I need to get a temp sensor fitting with a barb for the lower radiator hose?
just making sure there is a way around cutting my new hose.

***S14DB*** · 04-22-2013, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alwyzDTF

Would I be able to use this

Stance ST7 Water Neck Adapter Nissan SR20DET

as opposed to cutting up my samco hose?
Or do I need to get a temp sensor fitting with a barb for the lower radiator hose?
just making sure there is a way around cutting my new hose.

Nope that is for the top fitting to replace taping your bleeder hole.

You need a fitting at the lowest point in the system for the return line. Putting a Temp sensor adaptor in the lower hose is the easiest.

alwyzDTF · 11-12-2013, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14DB

Nope that is for the top fitting to replace taping your bleeder hole.

You need a fitting at the lowest point in the system for the return line. Putting a Temp sensor adaptor in the lower hose is the easiest.

Thanks man, I got it all setup.
I have a new question for you guys.

I got the Greddy can and I'm running the Greddy cap it came with. When I fill up my radiator with what I believe to be the right level of coolant and turn the car on it starts pouring out of the bottom hose of the Greddy swirl pot, so I tightened it down a little more and put grey RTV on it and it still leaks when the cars running. I'm thinking I might need a new cap that opens under less pressure so the coolant can go to my catch can instead of being rejected and forced out the bottom hose of the greddy can (swirl pot). My catch can has barely ANY coolant in it.

Swirl cap opens at 1.3
Radiator cap opens at .9 (pretty sure, have to double check)

Then I thought I could switch the two caps but thought the same thing might happen to the radiator and possibly start blowing coolant out of other weird places.

08-28-2011, 08:02 PM	#1
SLiDe_WaYz Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Texas Age: 31 Posts: 1,282 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Breather Tank/Swirl Pot question. Ok, I searched and every thread I found the pics were removed. I just need to know how to route the lines. It's going to be mounted on the passenger fender like most are. My instructions are Japanese of course. No pictures either. So can anyone post pics up of there setup and help out a premie please. Greatly appreciated. Bought it bc I guess I'm a idiot and can't bleed the system correctly obviously. So anyone care to help me out. It's a S13 and the engine is a redtop Sr20. Thanks for any help. __________________

08-28-2011, 08:29 PM	#3
Fred Allen Burge Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Missouri Age: 41 Posts: 524 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Check out this article, it's boss. Awesome cooling system article. Ignore the fact that it's for an LS1, doesn't matter. __________________ Silvia, built 5.3 turbo, 4l80e, [email protected]

08-28-2011, 09:11 PM	#4
SLiDe_WaYz Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Texas Age: 31 Posts: 1,282 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Appreciate the reply's. For your PBM setup, bottom goes to the lower rad hose, one is going to the water neck, and the other to the radiator correct? Is the other tank behind there another breather tank as well? I'm guessing from that pic you have no need for a coolant over flow tank with one of these? Sorry for the noobish questions just want to do it right. __________________

08-28-2011, 09:12 PM	#5
SLiDe_WaYz Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Texas Age: 31 Posts: 1,282 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	And to add your engine bay is BOSS. __________________

08-29-2011, 11:21 AM	#7
s14unimog Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a place, near a river, over a lake Age: 34 Posts: 2,415 Trader Rating: (22) Rides Gallery: s14unimog Feedback Score: 22 reviews	I hope Powered By Max doesn't mind but this is pretty clear. __________________ Fuking ginger bread man stole my wallet... SHIFT*lock_slide to side d3m3rs0n: if i have a baby im naming it Brandons Fault Emerson

08-28-2011, 08:11 PM	#2
travypoo Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Edmonton Alberta Posts: 196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	here is my parts shop max swirl pot. bottom port goes to lower rad hose

08-29-2011, 05:30 PM	#9
Mister.E Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Las Vegas Age: 36 Posts: 4,590 Trader Rating: (53) Feedback Score: 53 reviews	Where do people buy the fitting that they usually put in the waterneck?

08-29-2011, 07:36 PM	#10
s14unimog Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a place, near a river, over a lake Age: 34 Posts: 2,415 Trader Rating: (22) Rides Gallery: s14unimog Feedback Score: 22 reviews	^the water neck? As in the little spacer for a sensor pickup? Stance? __________________ Fuking ginger bread man stole my wallet... SHIFT*lock_slide to side d3m3rs0n: if i have a baby im naming it Brandons Fault Emerson

08-29-2011, 09:38 PM	#12
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I drilled mine out to 1/4NPT and put a hose adapter in it. __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

08-31-2011, 01:01 PM	#14
s14unimog Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a place, near a river, over a lake Age: 34 Posts: 2,415 Trader Rating: (22) Rides Gallery: s14unimog Feedback Score: 22 reviews	not a bad idea for what? that schematic seems to indicate the inline tap must be pulled from the "cold" supply. I was just answering what I thought you were asking... __________________ Fuking ginger bread man stole my wallet... SHIFT*lock_slide to side d3m3rs0n: if i have a baby im naming it Brandons Fault Emerson

08-31-2011, 01:28 PM	#15
Mister.E Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Las Vegas Age: 36 Posts: 4,590 Trader Rating: (53) Feedback Score: 53 reviews	nah, you reminded me of that stance/DiF waterneck spacer. that would be a great place to place a barb to tap off of. However, i have a KA and they dont make those for a KA.

09-02-2011, 07:03 PM	#17
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	I ghetto rigged my KA. I found a brake caliper bleeder that fits the KA. I grinded the bottom out so its a straight thru and used it. It works, not like I'm gonna keep this POS KA forever... __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

09-03-2011, 12:40 PM	#18
s14unimog Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a place, near a river, over a lake Age: 34 Posts: 2,415 Trader Rating: (22) Rides Gallery: s14unimog Feedback Score: 22 reviews	^sick... msglngh __________________ Fuking ginger bread man stole my wallet... SHIFT*lock_slide to side d3m3rs0n: if i have a baby im naming it Brandons Fault Emerson

01-08-2012, 07:36 PM	#20
codyace Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poconos, PA Age: 36 Posts: 8,030 Trader Rating: (58) Feedback Score: 58 reviews	I understand how these systems work, but don't understand how so many people have overheating/bleeding issues. My car has been apart a zillion times, as have my other ones...never had an issue. Edit: ANd that's with more track miles than some cars see on street. __________________ *Want Air Conditioning in your SR20 Swapped car? Check out www.sr20acbrackets.com for more information! Quest Alternator Conversions for SR20!* Check my Group Buy! Tired of lousy internal gates? Go external wastegate with one of my manifolds, Check out my group buy

01-09-2012, 08:55 AM	#27
delado Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Gunshine State Age: 30 Posts: 1,194 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	Does anybody sell a proper fitting to replace the bleeder screw on the waterneck? In the diagram, it says that if you don't have it, just cap it of from the pot? Does that make sense?

04-22-2013, 01:01 AM	#28
alwyzDTF Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2011 Location: Washington Posts: 374 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	Would I be able to use this Stance ST7 Water Neck Adapter Nissan SR20DET as opposed to cutting up my samco hose? Or do I need to get a temp sensor fitting with a barb for the lower radiator hose? just making sure there is a way around cutting my new hose.

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