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theicecreamdan · 11-15-2009, 07:41 PM

Describe Heaven, tell me what this place is like.

I have some thoughts about it, but I'd like to see what others think for a little while.

Otto347 · 11-15-2009, 09:03 PM

Even though I don't believe, fluffy white clouds and a lot of people?

Shvltme93Notch · 11-15-2009, 09:05 PM

myself and milla jovovich on a warm beach with lots and lots of rum and coke.

ryguy · 11-15-2009, 10:31 PM

I believe that if heaven exists it's a place where you can do all the things that were sins here on earth, I imagine it like a giant orgy or something like that.

ayuaddict · 11-15-2009, 10:45 PM

or perhaps a place where you wouldn't suffer from temptations to commit the sins in the first place.

sins are sins for a reason, regardless of religious views sins tend to be things that can cause harm to yourself and/or others.

bardabe · 11-15-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ayuaddict

or perhaps a place where you wouldn't suffer from temptations to commit the sins in the first place.

sins are sins for a reason, regardless of religious views sins tend to be things that can cause harm to yourself and/or others.

and how does checking out your neighbors wife hurt you or him? Religion is retarded.

last time i checked incest was illegal and a Sin, yet Noah put his family and animals in an arc then god commanded him to repopulate the earth, wouldn't that be a Sin / contradict everything he has ever taught them? that's how ive always shut up priests and nuns at church.

either way, Heaven everyone has their own perspective of it, and it usually suits their best interest. heaven ideally is what will make you happiest.

SexPanda · 11-15-2009, 11:28 PM

If there's a heaven, I don't think we could understand it, because we're alive. Never being hungry or thirsty or horny and not getting any, and always feeling loved and like your in the right place at the right time.

ronmcdon · 11-16-2009, 12:40 AM

As long as I don't have to deal with traffic, 2Am bar curfews, and credit card bills, I will happily call that heaven.

SR240DET · 11-16-2009, 01:41 AM

what are your thoughts theicecreamdan?

Walperstyle · 11-16-2009, 01:42 AM

Heaven : Its like the world, without internet discussion

beanzphour · 11-16-2009, 01:52 AM

this is what i think

Religions of the World

Taoism: Shit Happens
Hinduism: This Shit Happened Before
Islam: If Shit Happens, Take A Hostage
Buddhism: When Shit Happen Is It Really Shit?
7th Day Adventist: Shit Happens On Saturday
Protestantism: Shit Won´t Happen If I Work Harder
Catholicism: If Shit Happens, I Deserve It
Jehovah´s Witness: Knock, Knock, "Shit Happens"
Judaism: Why Does Shit Always Happen To Me?
Hare Krishna: Shit Happens Rama Rama Ding Dong
Atheism: No Shit
T.V. Evangelism: Send More Shit
Rastafarianism: Let´s Smoke This Shit

lmfao

I LUV MY S13 · 11-16-2009, 01:56 AM

a place of peace? if it exists

SlideWell · 11-16-2009, 01:56 AM

the world as it was at the beginning of time, with all the luxeries and more in the current time, without all the bullshit.

S14_Kouki · 11-16-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Walperstyle

Heaven : Its like the world, without internet discussion

wow stop right there so we cant go on zilvia in heaven??? Heaven is me smokin freely with my favorite drink and favorite girls

ryguy · 11-16-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bardabe

last time i checked incest was illegal and a Sin, yet Noah put his family and animals in an arc then god commanded him to repopulate the earth.

Noah had like 5 sons and they were already married by the time the arc was built, so I guess at worst there was some cousin lovin.

I think the way I do about heaven because it's supposed to be a 'reward' for not sinning on earth, and I figured the reward would be freedom to do what you've held off on. Of course, you can't kill or hurt people or anything like that because everybody is already dead.

SochBAT · 11-16-2009, 12:27 PM

I see heaven as a moment of true happiness.

I think my personal heaven would be the entire family living under one roof, with Pops scolding/beating us all. Sounds twisted, but my family's got thick skin. We always pretended to hurt so he stopped. We always snickered.

Good god i miss those simplistic days.

okigsxr · 11-16-2009, 12:32 PM

WTF, we talk about religion here...????

racepar1 · 11-16-2009, 03:21 PM

Heaven must be simply an existence without pain, suffering, and struggle. Everyone's idea of what would be the coolest way to spend eternity is different, but nobody could deny that existing without having to deal with those emotions would be perfect.

drift freaq · 11-16-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ryguy

I think the way I do about heaven because it's supposed to be a 'reward' for not sinning on earth, and I figured the reward would be freedom to do what you've held off on. Of course, you can't kill or hurt people or anything like that because everybody is already dead.

Now this to me is a misinterpretation of the Bible. Yes Heaven is a reward of sorts but man is expected to sin.

Its not the act of not sinning that is rewarded. Its the act of trying not to sin. For we are not perfect and will sin.

If one tries not to sin then they have a conscious and a sense of ethics.

If we were indeed capable of not sinning at all we would either have to be monk or dead.

if you really follow the Bible? We were(man or his representatives) thrown out of the perfect place when we were perfect!

I.E. the story of the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve. Now they were given exactly what Heaven is considered to be, but given of free will were tempted and sinned.

Now that story may have been allegorical i.e. to represent the tribes of man. Who knows.

Heaven is a higher state, one were everything we could not answer is answered. Where everything makes perfect sense and we do not have to suffer disease,pain, etc... and there is pure unconditional love.

Hows that for an explanation

drift_limo · 11-16-2009, 11:18 PM

be with the ones that i love.
and of course a few models

To bad im Rastafarian.. in a way

drift freaq · 11-16-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by drift_limo

be with the ones that i love.
and of course a few models

To bad im Rastafarian.. in a way

Nothing wrong with that. Fact is people get caught up in believing Religion is what gets them to that higher plane.
Fact is Spirituality is the key. That and trying to live your life correctly and ethically. Not judgmental, not absolutely perfect just the right intentions and ethics.

Walperstyle · 11-17-2009, 03:50 AM

Spirituality is taught by most conventional religion

drift_limo · 11-17-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Walperstyle

Spirituality is taught by most conventional religion

This works for me.

ayuaddict · 11-17-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bardabe

and how does checking out your neighbors wife hurt you or him? Religion is retarded.

last time i checked incest was illegal and a Sin, yet Noah put his family and animals in an arc then god commanded him to repopulate the earth, wouldn't that be a Sin / contradict everything he has ever taught them? that's how ive always shut up priests and nuns at church.

either way, Heaven everyone has their own perspective of it, and it usually suits their best interest. heaven ideally is what will make you happiest.

The Noah part was already answered.

Checking out your neighbor's wife: Assuming you are referring to the bible in which they call it "lust", Unless you take action, you are only hurting yourself - what good will come out of wanting something you can't have? you're just wasting time and energy. If you are married, well that's self explanatory.

Why are you assuming that by "sins" i meant sins from a particular religion, namely Christianity? I'm not religious, sins can be anything that don't hold true to your own personal ideals.

ryguy · 11-17-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ayuaddict

Checking out your neighbor's wife: Assuming you are referring to the bible in which they call it "lust", Unless you take action, you are only hurting yourself - what good will come out of wanting something you can't have? you're just wasting time and energy. If you are married, well that's self explanatory.

Matthew 5:28-
"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

That's what the bible has to say about that, and something my father always used to say, changing it to fit the appropriate situation.

Matej · 11-18-2009, 01:03 AM

Y'all are silly, everyone knows religion doesn't exist.

theicecreamdan · 11-18-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

Heaven is a higher state, one were everything we could not answer is answered. Where everything makes perfect sense and we do not have to suffer disease,pain, etc... and there is pure unconditional love.

Hows that for an explanation

I might almost like that explanation, but that sounds really boring.

Back when I never really asked questions I just believed heaven was a nice place where everybody was happy. Now I realize, that everybody is way too different to be perfectly happy in the same place. There are people that are happier by themselves, and people that are happy to be surrounded by others.

Basically, I feel like free-will, and universal nirvana are mutually exclusive.

Walperstyle · 11-19-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Matej

Y'all are silly, everyone knows religion doesn't exist.

so all those churches around are not actually there. I get it.

drift_limo · 11-19-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Walperstyle

so all those churches around are not actually there. I get it.

they are not. its a mirage.

drift freaq · 11-19-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Walperstyle

Spirituality is taught by most conventional religion

Ya but most people who follow conventional religions do not practice spirituality at the least. IMO

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Originally Posted by theicecreamdan

I might almost like that explanation, but that sounds really boring.

Back when I never really asked questions I just believed heaven was a nice place where everybody was happy. Now I realize, that everybody is way too different to be perfectly happy in the same place. There are people that are happier by themselves, and people that are happy to be surrounded by others.

Basically, I feel like free-will, and universal nirvana are mutually exclusive.

see now here is the thing. None of us knows exactly what Heaven is or even if in fact its the same for each individual. To know its a better place is to have faith.

To know that definitely has to be better than this existence is your answer. Its probably the best answer and at the same time a speculative one.

We have free will already. The ability to choose right or wrong when knowing the outcome is in essence free will.

The question to ask is, is it possible to reach universal nirvana? Oh and if you reach Universal Nirvana then you would not have to make choices.

Everything would be as it should and choices would not need to be made. Hence no reason for the existence of free will because you have erased the need for choices. Everything is Nirvana i.e. pure bliss.

Of course that is probably to simple as is the possible concept of Universal Nirvana. Would a soul want to exist for eternity in a always blissful state? Would that not be boring as you said earlier?

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Shvltme93Notch Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Coeur d'Alene ID Age: 31 Posts: 55 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	myself and milla jovovich on a warm beach with lots and lots of rum and coke.

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ayuaddict Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Socal Age: 32 Posts: 4,017 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	or perhaps a place where you wouldn't suffer from temptations to commit the sins in the first place. sins are sins for a reason, regardless of religious views sins tend to be things that can cause harm to yourself and/or others.

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ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	As long as I don't have to deal with traffic, 2Am bar curfews, and credit card bills, I will happily call that heaven.

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11-16-2009, 01:52 AM	#11
beanzphour Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: north carolina Age: 38 Posts: 59 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	this is what i think Religions of the World Taoism: Shit Happens Hinduism: This Shit Happened Before Islam: If Shit Happens, Take A Hostage Buddhism: When Shit Happen Is It Really Shit? 7th Day Adventist: Shit Happens On Saturday Protestantism: Shit Won´t Happen If I Work Harder Catholicism: If Shit Happens, I Deserve It Jehovah´s Witness: Knock, Knock, "Shit Happens" Judaism: Why Does Shit Always Happen To Me? Hare Krishna: Shit Happens Rama Rama Ding Dong Atheism: No Shit T.V. Evangelism: Send More Shit Rastafarianism: Let´s Smoke This Shit lmfao

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SlideWell Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Age: 38 Posts: 1,591 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	the world as it was at the beginning of time, with all the luxeries and more in the current time, without all the bullshit.

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SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 35 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	I see heaven as a moment of true happiness. I think my personal heaven would be the entire family living under one roof, with Pops scolding/beating us all. Sounds twisted, but my family's got thick skin. We always pretended to hurt so he stopped. We always snickered. Good god i miss those simplistic days.

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okigsxr Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Japan Age: 41 Posts: 160 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	WTF, we talk about religion here...????

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racepar1 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 38 Posts: 9,006 Trader Rating: (106) Rides Gallery: racepar1 Feedback Score: 106 reviews	Heaven must be simply an existence without pain, suffering, and struggle. Everyone's idea of what would be the coolest way to spend eternity is different, but nobody could deny that existing without having to deal with those emotions would be perfect.

11-17-2009, 03:50 AM	#22
Walperstyle Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Alberta, Red Derp Age: 40 Posts: 1,729 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Spirituality is taught by most conventional religion __________________ KA-T ORG-Function over Flush

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