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markyboi · 03-22-2007, 05:58 AM

you just bumped a 5 month old thread

klohiq · 03-22-2007, 07:05 AM

yeah, but his reply was so amazing that it allows him to ignore the last post date...

with a response like that he can bring back any dead threads he wants, I mean come on...who would have thought awd unless this genius said it...

*exitspeed* · 03-22-2007, 07:22 AM

My threads are the only threads that are OK to bump when they are old.

But to bump it to say you hope the 240 successor is AWD? That's just nuts.

OptionZero · 03-22-2007, 11:03 AM

Some dumbass on Freshalloy (a moderator, no less) wanted to make the 350Z awd to "compete" with the STi and EVO.

seekanddestroy · 03-22-2007, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero

Some dumbass on Freshalloy (a moderator, no less) wanted to make the 350Z awd to "compete" with the STi and EVO.

And that is a bad thing why?

Ohhhh... cause you can't dorifto anymore! Its all about drifting!

Taniguchi_Is_#1 · 03-22-2007, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seekanddestroy

And that is a bad thing why?

Ohhhh... cause you can't dorifto anymore! Its all about drifting!

because Z cars are RWD. AWD Z would be extra homo. if you want AWD, go buy a GT-R. kthanxbye.

*exitspeed* · 03-22-2007, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taniguchi_Is_#1

because Z cars are RWD. AWD Z would be extra homo. if you want AWD, go buy a GT-R. kthanxbye.

No shit. AWD Z is a retarded idea. That would be like saying I hope the next GTR is RWD. Heritage young buck.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 03-22-2007, 12:08 PM

Why try to make an apple into an orange? People like the apples...

The Z is meant to be a sports car, how many sportcars are awd? Not much, why? Cuz it goes against everything a sportscar stands for.

Baka Sama · 03-22-2007, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seekanddestroy

And that is a bad thing why?

Ohhhh... cause you can't dorifto anymore! Its all about drifting!

Not only heritage but also weight! The 350z is heavy enough and to put awd with it is just insult to injury. If you want an awd car to compete with Evos and STI's, Nissan already makes one its called the G35X.

Side note- Whoever reopened this thread is ghey. I thought there was some kinda new news on the altima coupe like a rwd option..

OptionZero · 03-22-2007, 01:12 PM

The G35X is in no way a competitor for the STi/EVO, as I pointed out to the Freshalloy fool. The G35x is a competitor for the Audi A4 Quattro, the BMW 3##xi, and a lesser degree the Subaru Legacy GT. Those are "refined", softer sedans with awd, geared more toward traction in inclement weather than tearing apart rally and track conditions with high performance.

RWD is better than AWD. It's no coincidence that the best AWD systems act more RWD, more of the time, nor is it a coincidence that Ferrari, Porsche, even Honda ("king" of FWD) used RWD in their sports cars (S2k, NSX). AWD is, for the most part, compensation for lack of skill and poor surface conditions. That's it.

Yet the STi and EVO beat the 350Z (in its current form at least) because they are more "raw", despite the AWD and more doors. Hyper aggressive tires, suspension, and complex differentials all contribute to the better performance....at the same price point.

That, I believe, is probably the #1 reason a AWD 350Z is retarded. A "track" 350Z (and there isn't even new one this year yet) still doesnt' match the rally cars performance but already tipped 35k. You're going to add more weight and price to try and get into the same market as them, where you'll probably lose anyways to the more established cars? Nissan would have to find a way to lighten the 350Z while adding ATTESSA (i doubt they'd try to invent a new system rather than use their existing one), break the Z heritage, AND keep costs down? I'd like to see someone propose that at Nissan USA without getting laughed at.

On top of all that, the GT-R's claim to fame rests in part on its advanced drivetrain. To put that system in a lower price point car before or at the same time as its impending release would undercut all the bells and whistles Nissan is hyping up. The GT-R will still sell out because it's limited production, but i can't imagine Nissan giving away ATTESSA in a lesser car.

illvialuver · 03-22-2007, 01:18 PM

yes everything ive read has said fwd.
at the la auto show I asked the person who was explaining the new cars features to the public, and he said its only going to be fwd . due to the competion being 2wd 2door.
like the solara, and the camery.

and by the way the new 2door camery looks like a wanna be g35 also.

*exitspeed* · 03-22-2007, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by illvialuver

yes everything ive read has said fwd.
at the la auto show I asked the person who was explaining the new cars features to the public, and he said its only going to be fwd . due to the competion being 2wd 2door.
like the solara, and the camery.

and by the way the new 2door camery looks like a wanna be g35 also.

Noone is talking about the Altima Coupe in this thread anymore. We all know it's FWD.

Baka Sama · 03-22-2007, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero

The G35X is in no way a competitor for the STi/EVO, as I pointed out to the Freshalloy fool. The G35x is a competitor for the Audi A4 Quattro, the BMW 3##xi, and a lesser degree the Subaru Legacy GT. Those are "refined", softer sedans with awd, geared more toward traction in inclement weather than tearing apart rally and track conditions with high performance.

Blah BLah Blah...

Lots of useful info but I believe you misinterpreted what I was trying to say. To reword it properly...

If your (by you I mean FA guy) hell bent on an awd drive car by nissan to compete with the Evorex than the G35x is your best option, cause an awd 350z is stupid. A used G35x with a bolt on turbo, suspension work, and weight sheading would be an awd beast.

OptionZero · 03-22-2007, 03:20 PM

The G35x AWD system is not a performance oriented one, which is why I said it is not meant to compete with the rally cars, but rather the other luxobarges. This isn't a strike on the G35x, but simply an observation.

Remember the STi/EVO systems come with 3 differentials and very sophisticated electronic controls to redirect power where traction is needed in aggressive driving. The G35x system is not ATTESSA.

See:
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...infiniti_g35x/

The system is borrowed from the FX35/45, an SUV, not a performance car. While it can be RWD, it adds 308 lbs. It also seems to only be able to send power front and rear, without much left/right split like the EVO can IIRC (even without the fancy AYC of the JDM EVO's since the 7). It does have the advantage of being able to send 100% of the power to the rear wheels, which neither rally car can do (being 50/50 or even front biased most of the time).

Oh yeah, G35x is automatic tranny only, so...that pretty much sums it up. You'd need quite a bit of "weight savings" , not to mentinon a tranny swap, to even touch a stock STi/EVo, which are some of the quickest cars you can get today.

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03-22-2007, 05:58 AM	#61
markyboi Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: california Posts: 1,105 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you just bumped a 5 month old thread

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OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 37 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Some dumbass on Freshalloy (a moderator, no less) wanted to make the 350Z awd to "compete" with the STi and EVO.

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OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 37 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	The G35X is in no way a competitor for the STi/EVO, as I pointed out to the Freshalloy fool. The G35x is a competitor for the Audi A4 Quattro, the BMW 3##xi, and a lesser degree the Subaru Legacy GT. Those are "refined", softer sedans with awd, geared more toward traction in inclement weather than tearing apart rally and track conditions with high performance. RWD is better than AWD. It's no coincidence that the best AWD systems act more RWD, more of the time, nor is it a coincidence that Ferrari, Porsche, even Honda ("king" of FWD) used RWD in their sports cars (S2k, NSX). AWD is, for the most part, compensation for lack of skill and poor surface conditions. That's it. Yet the STi and EVO beat the 350Z (in its current form at least) because they are more "raw", despite the AWD and more doors. Hyper aggressive tires, suspension, and complex differentials all contribute to the better performance....at the same price point. That, I believe, is probably the #1 reason a AWD 350Z is retarded. A "track" 350Z (and there isn't even new one this year yet) still doesnt' match the rally cars performance but already tipped 35k. You're going to add more weight and price to try and get into the same market as them, where you'll probably lose anyways to the more established cars? Nissan would have to find a way to lighten the 350Z while adding ATTESSA (i doubt they'd try to invent a new system rather than use their existing one), break the Z heritage, AND keep costs down? I'd like to see someone propose that at Nissan USA without getting laughed at. On top of all that, the GT-R's claim to fame rests in part on its advanced drivetrain. To put that system in a lower price point car before or at the same time as its impending release would undercut all the bells and whistles Nissan is hyping up. The GT-R will still sell out because it's limited production, but i can't imagine Nissan giving away ATTESSA in a lesser car.

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illvialuver Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: M-A-R-S... MARS BITCHES Age: 38 Posts: 5,065 Trader Rating: (35) Feedback Score: 35 reviews	yes everything ive read has said fwd. at the la auto show I asked the person who was explaining the new cars features to the public, and he said its only going to be fwd . due to the competion being 2wd 2door. like the solara, and the camery. and by the way the new 2door camery looks like a wanna be g35 also.

03-22-2007, 03:20 PM	#74
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 37 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	The G35x AWD system is not a performance oriented one, which is why I said it is not meant to compete with the rally cars, but rather the other luxobarges. This isn't a strike on the G35x, but simply an observation. Remember the STi/EVO systems come with 3 differentials and very sophisticated electronic controls to redirect power where traction is needed in aggressive driving. The G35x system is not ATTESSA. See: http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...infiniti_g35x/ The system is borrowed from the FX35/45, an SUV, not a performance car. While it can be RWD, it adds 308 lbs. It also seems to only be able to send power front and rear, without much left/right split like the EVO can IIRC (even without the fancy AYC of the JDM EVO's since the 7). It does have the advantage of being able to send 100% of the power to the rear wheels, which neither rally car can do (being 50/50 or even front biased most of the time). Oh yeah, G35x is automatic tranny only, so...that pretty much sums it up. You'd need quite a bit of "weight savings" , not to mentinon a tranny swap, to even touch a stock STi/EVo, which are some of the quickest cars you can get today.