digbyburrows

Bring back the SR!


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dorkidori_s13

oh lord... not another one

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AllThingsGravy

Oh my goodness cotton

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AllThingsGravy

What do you guys think about the Lexus rc f besides the price?

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dorkidori_s13

needs a 3rd pedal

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lunchmeat

Too much front grill. Other than that, I'd drive it. Don't care about stick shifts anymore. Got a busted ass, arthritic left knee that's just getting worse with age.

d9m13n

4000 pounds seems a bit much for the power, but it seems like it would be a great gt car provided they tuned the suspension more for that than lap times. Also you could have a ton of fun with an 8000 rpm redline v8

Lease deals at 400$ or so a month and used ones near 50k seem like a great deal too

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tlieberman240

Figured I'd jump on some of these comments as somebody who's owned/drifted/built both:

The weak link is the tires. Changing to something that doesn't come on a prius gets the mid-high 14 second runs that one would expect. Car could definitely use more mid range torque, too.

Mustang does it because of 110hp and 120tq more. Not exactly a surprise. Yes the car is heavier, but it can pull the weight much better because of that torque. Not to mention less gear changes.

FRS/BRZ FA20 is 2 Liter and makes 200hp. 100hp/liter NA still exists.

The new Ecoboost mustang is damn good value for money. Car is still just too heavy for my personal preference. 3,500lbs for a modern sedan, I get it. 3,500lbs for a coupe, though? A bit too much for my liking. That's all subjective though.

So you haven't driven one? Ok; I can tell you they feel extremely similar to an S chassis in terms of dynamics. Straight line acceleration isn't the same, but everything else is quite similar in a lot of aspects.


Could be the driver. The FRS/BRZ is pretty gutless, but a large group of people that own those cars are pretty clueless about driving.

Any car can be made to drive faster in a straight line with some minor bolt-ons.

Disagree. The people that say these cars need more power are the same people who get lapped at the track by stock FRS and Miatas. The issue isn't the power, it's the torque. Right in the midrange, the cars have a massive torque dip (like 15%) and it kills the acceleration. Headers + tune get rid of that and make the car feel so much better.

I managed to run tandem with 300+whp SR cars in a stock FRS with nothing more than coilovers and a muffler delete. Couldn't run as much angle or as wide of a line, but I had no problem keeping the wheels spinning and keeping up.

I can agree with this. 200hp N/A is nice for those who choose it, but I think it would be great to have a slightly more powerful option available to those who want it. Even if it was turbocharged and still only made 220hp, I'd be all for it - because pulling some extra power out of it would be so easy.

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If it was turbocharged I would have pulled the trigger when they first came out.

My roommate at the time picked up a BRZ a few months after release, I drove it once and decided instead on an 07 350z. I liked everything about the BRZ better, except the power.

I just couldn't justify making payments on a car that I almost certainly would have FI'd while it was still under warranty. There's just no way I would chance voiding a warranty and fucking up an engine on a car that I don't own free and clear.

If this had a turbo from the factory, I 100% would have purchased, not a doubt in my mind.



Instead, I'm just waiting for them to get below 10K to pick up as a toy and add some FI too. Probably not the worst idea anyway, nothings a bigger waste of money than a car brand new right off the lot.

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SupaDoopa

If it was boosted, it would have been a lot more. In your brain, you would have had to justify the sticker price for getting the same exact car but with a turbo on it. I wouldn't be able to do it. Too many better cars in that range and that's probably WHY they didn't.

tlieberman240

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9YfB9giHLc

^This is headers + tune, knuckles, stance coilovers with 8k/9k springs, and LCAs. Maybe 190whp

I had the same setup, and the car was reliable, easy to drive, and loads of fun. Nearly 20k miles with cross country driving and lots of seat time, and the car never broke. Tore a CV boot from a tire exploding, but that's it.

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Idk, id probably go up to $30K or a wee bit more for a boosted one. But now that Ford has the ecoboost out for $25K, it would sure make them look silly.

The thing is I don't care about the other objectively "better" cars. I'm emotionally attached to the concept of a boosted 2+2 rwd coupe. I don't care if a WRX is faster, or if a Camero corners better for the same money. They don't follow the formula I'm looking for, they are not what I "want".


Rather then "better" cars for the money, are there any cars that do follow the formula? The only thing else that was available around the time of the 2012 release of the ZN6 in 2+2 RWD configuration would be a BMW 328i which ran at the time $35K and wasn't turbo (although it made 240hp, plenty). There was also the 2+2 G37 coupe, but that came in at $38K. Are there any other 2+2's that I'm missing here?

Really a turbo ZN6 just around or above the $30K mark would have been in a class of its own.....

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dudermagee

$21500 actually

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Deng really? That's some good pricing.

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dizzariot

I guess to spell it out simply, as I was on the verge of doing this, I'd rather pay the $800ish on the OFT, pair it with some headers, and call it a day. The alternative in lot of peoples' minds is they'd love to pay ~$35k for a turbo'd version from the dealership.

I'm not rich...but I'm not poor. I could buy a car that costs $40k with a good chunk down and a decent monthly payment. Knowing what we know about the ZN6 now I'd have to bet that if you paid the extra $$$ for a dealership version you'd be pissed at yourself.

In summation: extra money at dealership for OEM, turbo'd version? Or Spend ~$1500 and get an OFT/header combo?

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SupaDoopa

Having your own wants and needs as well as a reasonable price cap is fine; I respect that. On the flip side, how many others agree? The manufacture looks at one thing - how much demand is there essentially translating to how much can we profit? Not many people will think a $30K Japanese Scion/Subaru RWD toy makes sense especially when we factor everything else. It's just not a winning formula.

markfitz14

I have been wishing for a 240 replacement for years. At least they are thinking about it again.
My wish list. Is something smaller than the 370, FACTORY TURBO
1. 2800lbs
2. lower slung chassis similar to the 240 height
3. 4 cylinder with 300hp -Nismo will have 350-Don't bother making if its not Turboed
4. nice lines, fender flares, nicer rims than the FRS,
5. A solid price would be 30k

collegekid

You can travel and look in every corner of the world but you ain't gonna find no one with nuts as sweet as mine boo boo.

tlieberman240

I don't want my car to come with gargabe ass rocket bunny overflanders from the factory.. and why are wheels even a concern? 90% of the people buying them are just going to throw XXRs, MBs, Squares, or Cosmis wheels on it within a week anyways.

Everything you just asked for is present on the FRS/BRZ, except for the turbo. But, you mention a price of 30k. You can pick up a mint, used FRS for 20k even and spend 5k on forced induction and supporting modifications, and you have everything you've wished for here.

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dizzariot

Ah nailed it. No way this kid just popped up in here. I thought you were dead. I thought the butthurt would've taken you by now.

All this talk about practicality and then this shit. No S-chassis has ever had this much power from the lot. Even the 270R Silvia had...well 270HP. PM Corbic for the Mustang brochure.

"...but I want if fwom the factowee!"

Bunch of limp-dick weiners out here. I do agree with him on the OEM wheel thing, though. Nicer OEM wheels/tires would've been a plus on a fucking brand new car.

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spooled240

Well if you're gonna bring up used cars then you're opening a whole new can of worms here. For 20k you could also get used m3's, c5z's, Z's, etc. that also have world class handling way more power in stock form. I already went down the na-t route dealing with reliability and legality issues here in CA and I dont want to do it again.

dudermagee

You can get a 2013 FRS w/around 40K miles for 15k if you look.
Get a carb legal I/E/H and add a Carb legal SC from HKS and you'll be about 20k all in and making around 260whp 215wtq on 93 oct.

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markfitz14

1. I just meant fenders similar to say the M2. To just flare out a bit. It looks good. Not anything close to rocket bunny style. Those are horrid.
2. I don't want to switch wheels on a car that I am making payments of $350 a month for. At least not for a few years. That would meet my max monthly budget. I would just want some decent looking wheels to start with. The new 86 refresh wheels look good as is. Something at 30k would have to be my Daily Driver. I wouldn't be able to afford much to do to it. I would think most middle class people wouldn't be able to spend much more than $350 a month on a car. So I would think most people would look for these things from a mass stand point.
3. I don't want to turbo a non turbo car. It puts to much stress on the engine. I don't want to have problems with it all the time. I just want something that I could increase the HP easily since it has a turbo. Like add a down pipe and a tune. I can do some bolt ons that's easy. I can't turbo a car. I would have to pay someone 3k to put it in.
4. True that is close to an FR-Z. I'm just wishing for what Nissan to do if they make a lighter car to compete with the FR-Z

markfitz14

Well an S-Chassis might not have had that kinda power, but it is surely achievable with today's engines. The RS has 350 HP, the AMG A45 has 380 HP both from 4 cylinders. So yeah I think Nissan can build a 4 cylinder with that 300 hp kinda power and then put it in their RWD platform that they develop.

SupaDoopa

It's not that it's impossible, it's just not cost effective. The market has sharply leaned towards gas efficient, low-cost reliable vehicles. An impractical 4-banger turbo RWD car doesn't really fit the bill. If it doesn't at least appeal to everyone, it probably won't see the light of day.

We all wish cool shit to come back and I'm definitely down for an S-chassis revival. Hell, a slightly modernized S15 Spec-R would get my money or even a cooler 510 which that iD was supposed to replicate [I think] but that's geared towards us.

Their best bet is to do something similar to the Lancer; offer a base FWD, a slightly cooler FWD then a bad bitch RWD turbo fully decked out. This way, they can still justify the line and only dedicate a few bodies to the 'cool' line versus producing a ton of only cool guy versions that just sit there and collect dust until they're 20 years old and high school drop outs can afford while working at KFC on the weekends if they don't call out to smoke weed.

lunchmeat

Could Nissan build something like that? Of course. Will they? I'll believe it when I see them on a dealer lot.

driftsucky

I know. I know.


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Nissan won't build it because people who have bought similar imports in the past haven't supported their efforts thus far. If you want them to do it, stop being a product sponge and start getting involved.

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SupaDoopa

We're saying stop hoping. Go buy a S14 for next to nothing, build it how you want and not worry about a lien. Or import something. Or buy the super cool Mustang that everyone wants to suck off.

I just don't get how you can tell your friends you went to a Ford dealership SPECIFICALLY looking to spend $25,000+ for a 4-banger Mustang. Well, then again, you probably don't have any friends at that low point in your life.

AllThingsGravy

What about the new supra? Can I hope for that to be affordable rwd? :/

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