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marcus8789 · 08-10-2010, 03:16 PM

I just got my s14 sr20det Kouki in the mail last week and upon first start up, there is a loud knocking sound coming from the engine. I can’t tell if it’s coming from the head or the block, so I’ve made a short video on youtube so all of you guys can see/listen to it. I Have a thirty day warranty on this engine…..so the quicker I can figure out what’s wrong and either fix it, or send it back will be greatly appreciated. Tell me anything….I’m desperate here. I feel like I got ripped off…… L

YouTube - ‪s14 Kouki sr20det loud knocking‬&lrm;

Thanks;
Marcus

*StryfeS13* · 08-10-2010, 03:17 PM

Doesnt really sound like rod knock...sounds like the head.

this is rod knock YouTube - ‪Rod knock‬&lrm;

Loose timing chain? check the rocker arms?

marcus8789 · 08-10-2010, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StryfeS13

Doesnt really sound like rod knock...sounds like the head.

this is rod knock YouTube - ‪Rod knock‬&lrm;

Loose timing chain? check the rocker arms?

Do you think its a lifter?

Marcus

*StryfeS13* · 08-10-2010, 03:25 PM

I'm not sure.
But it does not sound like a rod.

Get a stethoscope and start listening around the engine...

marcus8789 · 08-10-2010, 03:39 PM

[QUOTE=StryfeS13;3583072]I'm not sure.
But it does not sound like a rod.

Get a stethoscope and start listening around the engine...[QUOTE]

Looks like I'm gonna have to. I think this is garbage.....I buy a motor and rite off the bat i have to go inside and work on it. Never buy a motor from jdm_planet.

Sam_Well.13 · 08-10-2010, 03:43 PM

def not a rod knock. seems to be could be a loose timing chain because, referring from video, its from front of the engine. Could be that, or sticking lifter. Maybe do a tune-up and add LUCAS oil stabilizer, or MARVEL OIL. You can get those at autozone, used it on my N/A SR and it slightly got quiter.

*StryfeS13* · 08-10-2010, 03:49 PM

You know what...I had a similar sound on my KA once. Turned out to be a loose flywheel. It's a longshot, but at idle, hold in the clutch and see if it stops.

good luck

hulkster_s13 · 08-10-2010, 04:16 PM

Sounds like my sohc when it had an exhaust leak.

JEDIs13 · 08-10-2010, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StryfeS13

You know what...I had a similar sound on my KA once. Turned out to be a loose flywheel. It's a longshot, but at idle, hold in the clutch and see if it stops.

good luck

I had this same problem, it made noise even with the clutch engaged tho. Wouldn't hurt to check

Sam_Well.13 · 08-10-2010, 04:29 PM

im having that now^^^ its a bad throw out bearing.

marcus8789 · 08-10-2010, 04:33 PM

Oh I forgot to tell you guy that the motor doesn't knock like that when its warming up. It only knocks when it reaches operating temperatures.

icedsole · 08-10-2010, 04:42 PM

VTC tick. common problem. try lifters, springs, maybe a new solenoid ect.

marcus8789 · 08-10-2010, 04:44 PM

Oh I forgot to tell you guy that the motor doesn't knock like that when its warming up. It only knocks when it reaches operating temperatures.

***S14DB*** · 08-10-2010, 04:48 PM

Does it change when you rev the engine? Get louder or or does it go away?

marcus8789 · 08-10-2010, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14DB

Does it change when you rev the engine? Get louder or or does it go away?

Good question....it actually gets a lil quieter/stays the same.

***S14DB*** · 08-10-2010, 05:01 PM

If it went away I would say VTC. Goes away when VTC engages off idle.

A slight decrease sounds like timing change related. Chain is rattling on something. Gets a little better when tension increases.

marcus8789 · 08-10-2010, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14DB

If it went away I would say VTC. Goes away when VTC engages off idle.

A slight decrease sounds like timing change related. Chain is rattling on something. Gets a little better when tension increases.

So i took off tye oil pan and draind all the oil and there was all kinds of these little metal shavings......wtf?

http://i.imgur.com/dfdIx.jpg

***S14DB*** · 08-10-2010, 08:34 PM

Looks like from one of the guides.

Sileighty_85 · 08-10-2010, 08:43 PM

sounds like the HLA's have air in them.

Bleed the lifters

marcus8789 · 08-10-2010, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sileighty_85

sounds like the HLA's have air in them.

Bleed the lifters

Ok.....but what about the metal shavings in the oil pan?

Sileighty_85 · 08-10-2010, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcus8789

Ok.....but what about the metal shavings in the oil pan?

thought those were scratches on the oil pan

Like S14 said might be valve guides

Its not from the bearings If it was bearings you would see brass shavings in the oil pan

Pull the front cover and check it out

marcus8789 · 08-10-2010, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sileighty_85

thought those were scratches on the oil pan

Like S14 said might be valve guides

Its not from the bearings If it was bearings you would see brass shavings in the oil pan

Pull the front cover and check it out

What would you do? Fix the motor (guides, valves, etc..) or just send it back? How much do you think all that would cost me to fix?

ballinnmiami240sx · 08-10-2010, 09:12 PM

easy fix dude. Call the guy you got it from and get a new motor. Dont deal with a motor that has problems from the get go. Remember that we are buying used engines from unknown sources. sometimes you can get a bad engine. I wouldnt automatically fault a company for something like this. Call them up and see what they have to say. I have gotten motors from a dude in canada and we had a bad HG from the get go and he sent us a whole new engine and let us keep the bad one. Give those guys a chance.

Blkprez · 08-10-2010, 09:16 PM

damn that send that shit back!!!!~!

marcus8789 · 08-10-2010, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballinnmiami240sx

easy fix dude. Call the guy you got it from and get a new motor. Dont deal with a motor that has problems from the get go. Remember that we are buying used engines from unknown sources. sometimes you can get a bad engine. I wouldnt automatically fault a company for something like this. Call them up and see what they have to say. I have gotten motors from a dude in canada and we had a bad HG from the get go and he sent us a whole new engine and let us keep the bad one. Give those guys a chance.

I've talked to the guy numerous times. He says he wants me to pull apart the engine and tell him what the problem is and he'll send me a block. He says its not the head, so he doesn't wanna ship a head to me. Then hr goes and tells me that he doesnt wanna ship me another motor bc it costs too much. The guys beginning to frustrate me. Y should I have to do all this work when hes the one that's in the wrong? Am i rite? I need a little input from someone else outside the box lol

Sileighty_85 · 08-10-2010, 09:18 PM

Id contact the Engine importer and let him know whats up.

Id ask if I could try to ID the problem by tearing the engine apart.

And if its pretty bad then id put it back together and send it back?

EDIT: damn should have refreshed before posting

ballinnmiami240sx · 08-10-2010, 09:43 PM

Well it sounds like you have no clue as to what the problem could be and this might be getting the engine supplier a little frustrated. As a small business owner my self the first priority should be to satisfy the customer. He im sure will be willing to make thing right for you as long as you can tell him what is up with the engine. i would take it to a place and have it officially diagnosed and go from here. It will save you time and money. Your 30 days are already coming to an end. A rod knock is very evident and you will have tons of metal shaving in your oil pan. Your oil will basically look like metallic paint. A lifter that needs to be bleed could also sound like this. In about 3 hours you can take the cams out and bleed the lifters. it will save you time from ripping the engine out and frustration on sending it back.

***S14DB*** · 08-11-2010, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sileighty_85

thought those were scratches on the oil pan

Like S14 said might be valve guides

Its not from the bearings If it was bearings you would see brass shavings in the oil pan

Pull the front cover and check it out

The timing chain guides. They are about the right length to be shavings off it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcus8789

I've talked to the guy numerous times. He says he wants me to pull apart the engine and tell him what the problem is and he'll send me a block. He says its not the head, so he doesn't wanna ship a head to me. Then hr goes and tells me that he doesnt wanna ship me another motor bc it costs too much. The guys beginning to frustrate me. Y should I have to do all this work when hes the one that's in the wrong? Am i rite? I need a little input from someone else outside the box lol

Is he going to pay for labor too?

You are going to have to pull the motor. Then pull the head off then the front cover to see whats broken and whats worn.

Timing chain kit alone is $400. If you need all the guides too that's another $200....

Sileighty_85 · 08-11-2010, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14DB

The timing chain guides. They are about the right length to be shavings off it.

haha thats what I meant, I dont know why i said valve

4-20sx · 08-11-2010, 09:11 AM

SEND THAT SHIT BACK!!!!!!!!! or if you want you could also diagnose the problem, fix it, and then you gain knowledge! =)

08-10-2010, 03:16 PM	#1
marcus8789 Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hollister Ca Posts: 95 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Seriously, First start up and its knocking? I just got my s14 sr20det Kouki in the mail last week and upon first start up, there is a loud knocking sound coming from the engine. I can’t tell if it’s coming from the head or the block, so I’ve made a short video on youtube so all of you guys can see/listen to it. I Have a thirty day warranty on this engine…..so the quicker I can figure out what’s wrong and either fix it, or send it back will be greatly appreciated. Tell me anything….I’m desperate here. I feel like I got ripped off…… L YouTube - ‪s14 Kouki sr20det loud knocking‬&lrm; Thanks; Marcus

08-10-2010, 04:42 PM	#12
icedsole Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: wa Posts: 1,820 Trader Rating: (24) Feedback Score: 24 reviews	VTC tick. common problem. try lifters, springs, maybe a new solenoid ect. __________________ @pwrmves14

08-10-2010, 04:48 PM	#14
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Does it change when you rev the engine? Get louder or or does it go away? __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

08-10-2010, 05:01 PM	#16
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	If it went away I would say VTC. Goes away when VTC engages off idle. A slight decrease sounds like timing change related. Chain is rattling on something. Gets a little better when tension increases. __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

08-10-2010, 08:34 PM	#18
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Looks like from one of the guides. __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

08-10-2010, 03:17 PM	#2
StryfeS13 It's Always Broken. Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 1,363 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	Doesnt really sound like rod knock...sounds like the head. this is rod knock YouTube - ‪Rod knock‬&lrm; Loose timing chain? check the rocker arms?

08-10-2010, 03:25 PM	#4
StryfeS13 It's Always Broken. Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 1,363 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	I'm not sure. But it does not sound like a rod. Get a stethoscope and start listening around the engine...

08-10-2010, 03:39 PM	#5
marcus8789 Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hollister Ca Posts: 95 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	[QUOTE=StryfeS13;3583072]I'm not sure. But it does not sound like a rod. Get a stethoscope and start listening around the engine...[QUOTE] Looks like I'm gonna have to. I think this is garbage.....I buy a motor and rite off the bat i have to go inside and work on it. Never buy a motor from jdm_planet.

08-10-2010, 03:43 PM	#6
Sam_Well.13 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Costa Mesa Posts: 855 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	def not a rod knock. seems to be could be a loose timing chain because, referring from video, its from front of the engine. Could be that, or sticking lifter. Maybe do a tune-up and add LUCAS oil stabilizer, or MARVEL OIL. You can get those at autozone, used it on my N/A SR and it slightly got quiter.

08-10-2010, 03:49 PM	#7
StryfeS13 It's Always Broken. Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 1,363 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	You know what...I had a similar sound on my KA once. Turned out to be a loose flywheel. It's a longshot, but at idle, hold in the clutch and see if it stops. good luck

08-10-2010, 04:16 PM	#8
hulkster_s13 Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: down by da beach Posts: 276 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Sounds like my sohc when it had an exhaust leak.

08-10-2010, 04:29 PM	#10
Sam_Well.13 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Costa Mesa Posts: 855 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	im having that now^^^ its a bad throw out bearing.

08-10-2010, 04:33 PM	#11
marcus8789 Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hollister Ca Posts: 95 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Oh I forgot to tell you guy that the motor doesn't knock like that when its warming up. It only knocks when it reaches operating temperatures.

08-10-2010, 04:44 PM	#13
marcus8789 Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hollister Ca Posts: 95 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Oh I forgot to tell you guy that the motor doesn't knock like that when its warming up. It only knocks when it reaches operating temperatures.

08-10-2010, 08:43 PM	#19
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	sounds like the HLA's have air in them. Bleed the lifters __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

08-10-2010, 09:12 PM	#23
ballinnmiami240sx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: gloucester, VA Age: 42 Posts: 517 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	easy fix dude. Call the guy you got it from and get a new motor. Dont deal with a motor that has problems from the get go. Remember that we are buying used engines from unknown sources. sometimes you can get a bad engine. I wouldnt automatically fault a company for something like this. Call them up and see what they have to say. I have gotten motors from a dude in canada and we had a bad HG from the get go and he sent us a whole new engine and let us keep the bad one. Give those guys a chance. __________________ 1994 FD3S Drift // 945garage // sumospeed.com

08-10-2010, 09:16 PM	#24
Blkprez Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The VALLEY Posts: 78 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	damn that send that shit back!!!!~!

08-10-2010, 09:18 PM	#26
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Id contact the Engine importer and let him know whats up. Id ask if I could try to ID the problem by tearing the engine apart. And if its pretty bad then id put it back together and send it back? EDIT: damn should have refreshed before posting __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

08-10-2010, 09:43 PM	#27
ballinnmiami240sx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: gloucester, VA Age: 42 Posts: 517 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Well it sounds like you have no clue as to what the problem could be and this might be getting the engine supplier a little frustrated. As a small business owner my self the first priority should be to satisfy the customer. He im sure will be willing to make thing right for you as long as you can tell him what is up with the engine. i would take it to a place and have it officially diagnosed and go from here. It will save you time and money. Your 30 days are already coming to an end. A rod knock is very evident and you will have tons of metal shaving in your oil pan. Your oil will basically look like metallic paint. A lifter that needs to be bleed could also sound like this. In about 3 hours you can take the cams out and bleed the lifters. it will save you time from ripping the engine out and frustration on sending it back. __________________ 1994 FD3S Drift // 945garage // sumospeed.com

08-11-2010, 09:11 AM	#30
4-20sx Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: los angeles Age: 36 Posts: 2,113 Trader Rating: (50) Feedback Score: 50 reviews	SEND THAT SHIT BACK!!!!!!!!! or if you want you could also diagnose the problem, fix it, and then you gain knowledge! =) __________________ "get that nacho out of my face"

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