SoundEfx

This thread was to discuss FD, not to only praise it.

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Mister.E

You should create a new thread called Formula Drift Happy Time Discussion where you can be the only one posting and having a good ole' time!


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1988montecarloss

*posts on internet*

*strangers disagree*

*whines about strangers disagreeing*

sounds about right, some quality troll posts though, 8/10

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Matej

Has Formula D ever threatened Zilvia over spreading disdain toward their event?
240SX owners have to make up like 80% of their audience.

Gittin makes up the other 20% because he is a portly fellow.

bigs

Maybe i'm just old, but it's funny that people are having a heated discussion about the downfall of Formula Drift. FD started sucking like 8 years ago.

I get that it's all subjective, but it's really sad to me that some people (young and old) are just getting into drifting based on what they see in FD. It's such a poor representation of the sport. That said, It's just the natural evolution of a corporate backed series based on individual achievement and profit, so it's nothing to be mad about.

I designed the graphics for an FD driver 2 years in a row, but this year I didn't get to continue that. Seeing first hand how the nature of the series and big sponsors can basically strip drivers of their personal style is pathetic to me. I really enjoyed working with him when I had the chance, but I can honestly say i'm glad to never be associated with Formula Drift again.

A lot of people will turn this into a style debate, and it shouldn't be. Formula Drift has created its own culture, and its own style. Comparing FD to MSC, D1SL, Drift Muscle, D1GP, Final Bout, your neighborhood grassroots event is to degrade those series/events. Apples and oranges.

They should be paying Forrest Wang for keeping the series alive.

THIS. When Ryan Sage was announcing with Alexi Smith during FD Japan, it all got put into perspective for me. The Japanese drivers were putting down some seriously impressive runs (based on their builds), and Ryan Sage is so used to overbuilt fucking American FD cars that he was essentially bad mouthing the drivers for not performing well. Alexi was explaining how well the runs were, and you could tell there was an extremely awkward tension between them.

I would pay to fly Alexi out to FD Atlanta and make fun of an American round of Formula Drift. Who wants to set up a GoFundMe?

dorkidori_s13

quite possibly the ONLY thing you and i agree on!

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MrMigs

If this were a real GoFundMe, it would be the first time I've ever sent money to someone on it. For the lulz lol do it man

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Ronald_Mcdonald

I, too, would back this idea.

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turboshoebox

Alexi from nori yamo or whatever his utube name is awesome! came across his page on accident.

It's not that i think just cause some thing is american that it is shit. not at all. Of course final bout series has been awesome.

Can america ever embrace another countries stuff with out having to american it up like crazy?

Drifting of course turned into foruma d.

Dance music from europe which has NOTHING to do with american pop arists once it was marketed for the US they watered it down and starned invovled RAP and pop arists with it while in reality it's two diff world.

IT's like WTF america it's two diff worlds why do you keep trying to americanize EVERYTHING that comes to the US.

THE RING and the grudge. OH thanks for turning it in white city with the random white girl in japan

turboshoebox

Japan for example loves some types of Us culture. You don't see the guys over there dropping sr20's in classic american cars that they imported there. They keep it v8 like it was supsoed to be

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MrMigs

oh man beautiful front wheel fitment. reminds me of this rc car i used to have lol

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Russ

I honestly don't understand all the hate. I do agree that some of the track layouts are kinda lame. I think Road Atlanta is without a doubt the best event and I have enjoyed every event I have attended there.
And of course there will be some BS judgement calls. That's inherent with any sport. But to write off all of Formula D because of a few bad calls, some retarded liveries, or some wheel poke seems a bit ridiculous to me. If this is enough to turn you away from the hobby then you probably didn't like it in the first place. These "teams" are the ones spending their money, conducting the R&D, and expanding aftermarket support for us as well as making it cheaper.
And then to complain about the V8s seems a bit dumb too-for the same reasons listed above. I think the lack of regulations in this department is what makes it so fun to watch. I get to see rotaries running against v8's, 2jz's, 4 cyls, etc. I'm sure if FD added regulations or limits on that, people would find a way to complain about that too. D1GP cars are now at similar power levels but I don't see anyone complaining about that. So when I hear the argument that FD has turned into a drag race/Nascar event, all I hear is "I don't have the knowledge, skills, or funds to make a car perform above a street car level."

Im sure no one wants my opinion on Final Bout so Ill stop talking.
/rant

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Mister.E

Pretty sure I do.

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BuntaSensei

i second this notion

timandytimandy

The thing people need to realize is FD is a marketing company that uses racing as its medium. They saw a market that no one else was doing in the US at the time and ran with it. FD is what is is.

Jorgs_7

3rd that


THIS. This is why people bitch. Its a monster-hoonigan-BC racing-Enjuku show

DRIFTER-M

Some truth on both sides in this thread, IMO.

Round 1 was pretty fun (past the whole BS top 32 crap), but solid as far as battles go. Wang does kill it, dude keeps rocking.

No doubt, as a few others have pointed out, it has been in a downspin since D1 left IMO. Formula D became the HP race, rather than really solely on drifting, for whatever reason. And our tracks/ courses lack the style, so do many of the cars (not all of them).

Still, I think it is good to support all aspects of drifting (from Grassroots, to FB, to FD) as continued growth will always be a good thing (even if much of it is negative). I have pointed out before, but people that complain here and elsewhere, of which I am one on plenty of occasion as drifting has become pessimistic, would do better to focus that energy on righting the wrong for incoming people/ drivers in the scene. I believe being positive and showing in a constructive manner how to do things correctly, would lead to a better growth curve for the scene.

Just ramblings of somebody who has owned a s-chassis for far too long, take it for what it is worth.

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MrMigs

4th that.
mmm this will be good.. lol

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tlieberman240

I was there at FD this weekend, and the driving was actually good. Some of the best I've seen **IN FD** for years. Judging was pretty consistent too. Way better when drivers are actually door to door, rather than drag racing the start and driving the car with a 3+ car length gap the whole time.

The cars have definitely gotten uglier though. The cancelling of qualifying because of some rain is fucking comical. These "veteran" dudes bitch and moan because it's wet and they can't link the course, meanwhile Aasbo and a couple other dudes can still manage to drive the course just fine, and Forrest still basically throws down damn near perfect runs. Sure, the cars are more of a handful, but given that FD is supposed to be the pinnacle of professional drifting in the world, you'd think more than 4 fucking drivers in the series can actually drive when the conditions are less than ideal.

The builds and cost are just too ridiculous now, too. D1 is the same. Everything is like 800+ hp. That's why I still like MSC and D1SL and shit.

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timandytimandy

goes back to marketing and being the "premiere" race series. How better to sell that FD > D1GP / whatever other series than "we have the most smoke / hp / diverse field"
Every aspect of the series isn't run by drivers and it shows. There is too much of a disconnect from drivers to sponsors to the people running it. A sponsor doesn't car how cool a livery is, in their eyes that takes the focus away from their advertisement. FD *didn't* care about contingency / payouts because there were / are tons of pro am drivers willing to pay out of pocket to run the series. Didn't they just raised the winners payouts to like $25k at select events?
Fuck look at golf you come in 50th place at the masters you get $25,200.

SoundEfx

(Starts reading up on how to play golf)

From an outsider looking into the drift scene, it's both up and down, but mostly down.

I respect the skill it takes to drift, but when you look at the type of cars used and how they are damaged/destroyed, you lose support really quickly.

In terms of the competition itself, I compare what I see here to what it originated from, and it's sad to say the least. As mentioned before, it's all hype and no quality. Drifters should be close together not miles. I have seen three cars drifting inches from each other and loved it. Here, you can't get two of them.

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Beas

As a fan of drifting I don't see how you can love one type and hate the other. They all have something different to offer imo. a local practice event is different from final bout which is different from FD. enjoy them for what they are.

Don't forget these guys in FD are making a living doing this. (some of them)

MrMigs

That's like loving miniature golf and hating professional golf... or like loving to watch NFL but hating to watch flag football... See... it's possible... and it makes sense.

Formula D, D1, D1SL, Final Bout... yea they're all drifting. But everything else that surrounds their foundations is different. Some of these pay homage and/or respect to drifting's roots and to each other, and one of them is the bastard. I think that's what people tend to not like... and people who feel this way are the ones with roots that go much further back than Formula D. Make sense?

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daftcon

I think what most people don't like, is seeing something which we consider a hobby, and flipping it on its head to market and make money off of. I'm constantly reminded of the saying "keep drifting fun". Well most of us see this as doing the complete opposite. It's become nothing but a chase after horsepower and who can be more flashy than the next guy. Do they have fun?.... I'm sure they do. But it's gotten far away from what we see drifting as... a weekend release with your buds to test what you've worked so hard on for so long. But really, to each his own. In the name of capitalism, make your money. I'm sure that's coming to an end soon enough.

LockOn!

I would die to see a team based nation series. I don't even care if its Hoonigan VS Faulken VS Rockstar teams. Just make teams compete against teams, the heads up one on one drift battles have killed what I like the most about drifting.

Imagine if we had competitions where a teams of 3 cars ran the course and were judged on how well they mirrored one another, how close they were, and how exciting their run was. Then these teams were eliminated one by one until we were left with two final teams. THEN these teams would pair off and do one on one bouts.

That shit would get me so fucking hype daymn.

BTW, yes, I realized I basically just outlined the old Drift Tengoku local grassroots team battle format. Still my favorite shit to watch period.

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irritatedmax

Agreed. And if we're talking about the horsepower wars, who fired the first/most devastating shot...Daigo Saito. Not the American drivers. Didn't he have that same setup in his MarkII before he came to FD and the internet was on fire with how awesome it was? So it's cool there but not in America when the other teams respond (and ruin their programs and reliability).

If you knock it for the engine choice; Japan's V8 is the 2JZ. There isn't another equally high horsepower/reliable readily availalbe engine here. In America, we've got V8's - that's our 2JZ. OMG he did not just say that. Think about it.

At this point, I'm not sure D1 or D1SL is anymore "in the roots/spirit of what drifting used to be" than FD. That's kind of a hard case to make. Have you seen Kawabata's 1000hp GTR that just won D1? That's more in line with the roots of drifting than Forsberg's 1000hp 370Z? Oh because it was done in Japan, that's right - it's inherently better and JDM tite. D1SL is just D1 a feeder series that's more tightly regulated. Again, I'm not aware of anything that keeps it more in line with the roots you speak of - they still have like 600hp 2J's in the series.

What made those team drift videos fun were the teams and their characters and the anticipation knowing a lot of the teams were going to pack it in hard. I think that's the sole reason they held those events just for the spectacle - not as a display of driver skill. The driving was pretty darn sloppy in those videos. One or two teams from each event were really smooth and the rest were crashing or couldn't hold formation.

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MrMigs

Hmmm well... let's just say, in terms of style and performance, FD weighs a whole lot more on performance than style to the point where you have a lot of cars that look downright ugly.

In D1GP, most of cars were always visually appealing, and they performed very well. The balance rarely goes so far off that cars look super bad as a sacrifice for performance. I'd say that's inline with some of the roots.

But I'm not just talking about the cars only. Also about the whole feel of the way the series' is presented to the public from a spectator's point of view.

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Beas

I was thinking the same thing about daigo turning FD into nascar or sideways drag racing. whatever they want to call it.

to those of you that haven't seen it, find some footage of top16 from long beach last week. maybe some FD events are lousy, but this one was pretty damn good.

turboshoebox

Why is everyone so obsessed with daigo? Meh