fckillerbee

so I have a very curious question....and this is for someone who has been in this study for years.

meditation. I would like to know the different types of meditation, as well as how to begin. I know this will be alot to talk about...but I'm referring to the meditation that isn't just for inner piece...i'm talking about the more interesting things...out of body experience, stuff like that.

Anyone shed any light on this?

Otto347

I think the story or stories that are religion worked for the first part of human existence here on earth but now that we are becoming a more technologically advanced civilization, science is just going to prove there is no god. Its going to happen....

I can also understand why religion was created, to help simpletons and people who are not good at making decisions for themselves survive in this world.

But the only thing that is complete bullshit is killing or going to war because of religion.

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theicecreamdan

Science can't prove or disprove the existence of "God" because you can't even define God.
Science can only hope to explain the laws that explain the universe, either the laws that god set in place, or whatever did.

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haha

this will NEVER happen bro

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-Jorge

Otto347

haha? Ok, you are right.

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OBEEWON

Just to answer the original question.

Anything that is taken on faith cannot be proved or it will cease to be faith and become fact.

If we could explain God as He is defined in the Bible, He would cease to be God and no longer be worthy of worship. The fact that He is not completely comprehended is a reason given for Him to be revered.


Science can be used to support or refute God's existence. But in reference to the first point you cannot draw a complete conclusion.

The gods reffered to, are anything that is placed in front of God the "creator". Anything from an object to a person, real or fictional.

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OBEEWON

Religion and Faith are two different things. Religion is the primary problem in the world today. Men have used religion as a weapon for centuries. Faith is constructive.

Can you use a solution to a math problem to define the original equation? (there would be an infinite number of possibilities.)

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OBEEWON

One last point there has been a star discovered (I cant remember the name right now.) But it is so large that by Physics theories that we have held as fact for quite some time now suggest that it is physically too large to exist.

Our knowlege is too miniscule to even begin to explain our own bodies.

Save this picture and zoom in to read. It's mind blowing.

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fckillerbee

The only reason why we cannot prove "gods" existance is the simple fact that we as "scientist" need tangible evidence. In order to prove creation, we have to be there when it forms. As scientist, we are still learning of new properties of physics. We were the same scientists that at that time thought the world was flat, as well as we are the center of the universe. Yet through time we were proved wrong. We are the same scientist that believe in the big bang theory, yet we can't prove it. Why would it be so hard to fathom a god, or multiple gods, or multiple dimensions.

You might laugh at the thought of mulitple dimensions.....however I laugh at black holes consuming mass without gaining mass. Unfortunately the possibilities are endless....any conspiracy you have ever heard of could possible be true....with that said...what is real and what isn't.

fckillerbee

and here is why I say this. anyone study the human brain?

example: say we have a handicap kid, who in their eyes, in their brain, has a dog. this dog can run around everywhere this kid runs around, and the kid is completely content with his friend dog, and you could not tell this kid it does not exists...for existance is only fathomable to this child....
Now you and I don't see this dog....as scientist, we cannot touch this dog, yet this child, when he touches the dog, nueroligically his brainwaves show something is there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is my ideal image for our human existance, time, space, matter....could this possible be just a dream, or a thought...our brains are powerful enough to make us see, feel, breath, even die in a dream, what is to say that our whole existance is but a dream, or image. Cause when it all comes down to it...we are just energy.

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god cannot be tested so you cant disprove it...


this shits old there are stars bigger...the laws of physics never define a stars limitation...theres so much space that the possibilities are endless, just imagine this..the big bang was estimated to have occured 12- billiob years ago, since then the universe has been expanding faster than the speed of light, and is expanding faster and faster

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this is trippy shit but definitely makes sense..your right about us being energy, everything around us and that exist is made of energy...matter and energy are the same thing just different ways of saying them

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fckillerbee

what is even creepier in my opinion is that we can see where the expansion ends...not saying it isn't getting bigger, but we can see where the farthest amount of matter, and beyond that.....is just empty space...and it doesn't end. If this is true....there is no life, no matter beyond that....just emptyness....reminds me of the depths of the ocean as if we are looking into it...just abyss....fucking scary....but... I also know, we can only see as far as the eyes we are using.....so until we have a more powerful, or more useful equiptment, we are wrong. Wrong as in...we could still think the world is flat. (not literally but along those lines)

fckillerbee

I have wondered....and tried to find reason for our existance....even to the extent that we could have been created by aliens. lol....dont get me started on that thought. lol

theicecreamdan

I don't know if this is even possible, but I think you're overestimating God.

If we figured out how to send a spaceship to heaven, and get an astronaut to talk to God, and God confirms that he is indeed omnipotent and all knowing, then what does this take away from God?

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i know how you feel man believe me, i can literally debate for DAYS about an existance of a God..reason im agnostic, so much evidence on both sides..what pisses me off about athiest or religious people is that they refuse to understnad the other side of the spectrum, athiest not reading the bible or quran, or a priest taking a physics class..shows ignorance

i hate how people say god is real end of story, or he just does..i hate how athiest say evolution is true, so much evidence to prove it, ive only pointed out the FEW facts in page 2 of this thread that strongly contradicts evolution..or how athiest say there is no evidence pointing towards the existence of a god whe indeed there is..or how religious people just completely stop listening when the word evolution is mentioned, or how ignorant they can be period..idk if any of this makes sense im fuckin tired haha

but please tell your alien theory i've actually heard arguments like this before believe it or not

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fckillerbee

I completely agree with you....not seeing all views is ignorance....but for those ingnorant people....the word of the day is "source".

To most people...they have a god, or gods....in all reality...god is just another word for creator...or the source. Which at this moment, we cannot prove...so ignorant people say we cannot fathom the idea. I am religious to the extent that I do believe in a creator, however...i also don't believe it ends there....which is alos why I do believe that all this...all life..is just made up. Made up in the sense that it is energy, and the energy that our brain produces on such high levels, can make us believe exactly what we are trying to reach for. heaven, hell, big bang, everything....could be just energy in 1 mans brain...controlling our very existance....enough on that though...it could keep going.

I was hoping to hear someone tell me I'm full of shit regarding the alien theory, which is something I have actually thought up on my own...

So we as humans...god fearing humans...have come to the conclusion that we aren't god, however...we being "simpletons", we have been able to clone a sheep for example. Now you brain is thinking...hmmm....Now think of this...we have also been able to "add" specific genes from one species and adding it to another. With that said....here goes it.

Aliens....as much as we think we know about them....are a smarter "race". They fly through galaxies at light speed, found ways to defy gravity. With that being said....what is to say that they haven't already cloned themselvs....

So we cannot prove many things...."crystal skulls" "building of the great pyramids" "mayan temples" yada yada...yet we as humans are saying that we have created these things (because aliens don't exist) yet with todays modern technology, we cannot replicate these oddities. Yet according to "science" we are far more advanced now, then ever before.

So these aliens....have experimented like we have with replication of a species, altering dna, yada yada.....so along those lines....there was an experiment. The experiment was to create "life" on a sustainable planet. Not too far out there....right....the odds of us being alone in this infinite universe are far more slim than another human being born exactly the same. I mean...we as humans, will populate certain lakes with fish for life to thrive and we monitor it...

Now these aliens...all they are doing is monitering life....which imo would explain why we can't find our existance...If we make man...then we make a woman...there is no "god"...just the start i guess you could say. As with an alien species, they probably have animals and so forth. Now as the experiment...the hardest part is to make life adapt to its environment....which would explain why we have "evolved" throughout the years....we have just been better engineered. (that is a little farther out there)...but none the less possible.

This to me has a better explanation of the great pyramids, and so forth...we are lab rats....and they are scientist...and we are just one big antfarm...watching life be created....all I'm wondering now is....the mayan calender....talks about the end....which the end could be mis interpreted as the beginning( in order to start...there was a finish)..and that is what it is....who knows. My theory.

with all that being said....it would now make sense why we are closely related to what people call "the grays"....and maybe why our organs are closely related to a pig....all could be relavent.

I hope you guys enjoyed the read....I am crazy btw.

fckillerbee

and for those thinkers out there.....if we are the antfarm (which according to ants....doesn't know there is more out there) what is to say that our entire universe itself...isn't also an experiment. I once put it this way....If god loves us so much to give his only son for our sins...then why would he let us condemn ourselves to hell...right? Or maybe god is a child playing "sims" getting bored with the perfect world...so he creates distruction...and anarcy....and every calender....he just hits the reset button...and starts over...lol... God I need to stop thinking soooo damn much.

and no...i'm not stoned.

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hmm well wasnt exactly the same story i heard but pretty close haha

well i dont believe aliens are anywhere near us, but im posotive there is life out there somewhere

Drakes Equation, check it out and you do the math and research..its a trip

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fckillerbee

so I'm sure you know that gravity has the ability to bend light....and if you can bend, or alter matter around you...you essentially can become invisible....that is one theory on why we can't see a spacecraft normally... I have already done extensive research on "lift" using ati-gravity.... all I have to say is "bob lazar" lol. Dont knock it till you research it.

and curious...what are the ideas that you have heard?

flip3d

Earth is so tiny and insignificant in this ever expanding universe. We had to have made that shit up. People make shit up all the time. There is and have always been people that made shit up. Not every Honda owner has a 10 second car built by VTEC that can eat Subarus all day long.

As for the alien theory. It could very well be a possibility just like God. Maybe Scientology isn't a load of shit :P

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yep gravity is definitely capable of doing just that (black holes)

but im sure aliens would be giving off some type of frequency that we'd pick up..and i doubt aliens would have tha capacity to bend light..that type of power would cause them to collapse within themselves..i doubt aliens would also be able to travel at the speed of light which in fact is impossible for any type of matter besides light, light is both a partical and a wave...70% of the universe is filled with dark matter, and a collision with a single part of that would have the energy equivilance to a nuclear explosion

i'll check out bob lazar and let you know when im done..

i gotta find it again, but it was talking about how one pair of our chromosones are so unique that evolution could not have done that and it "must have been intelligent design"..i'll let you know more when i find that

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fckillerbee

ahh...my friend....you are still thinking tooooo small....we know it is very possible...since we can see stars behind the sun. And if the sun in essence was made....then we can replicate it....maybe not with our resources...but who's to say another planet doesn't have those resources. And light travel...to you is only possible cause of light...but if light can be bent....then matter itself can be altered...with that in mind....think of a black hole....

imagine this.... imagine light as a sphere. We only see what is on our side...what we cannot see is on the other side...now imagine if we could pull it in two....what is in the middle...well nothing...not time...not space...not matter( according to us...light is the fastest object)...now if you were to put your hand through that empty space...at no give time...it would be on the other end. understanding that simplicity...take gravity into account. if we could alter the gravitational field...(black hole) light does not escape it...yet it is the fastest known...so with that...now you know light isn't the fastest thing that can travel...it is the abscense of. Following me?

fckillerbee

YouTube - Bob Lazar and Area 51 - 1 of 20 (Top Secret UFO Conspiracy)

20 episodes....really intersting.

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heres that vid i finally found it
Planet X Nibiru - Planet X Video

ignore the planet x crap and just watch the vid

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no not really please elaborate more...

dude i googled bob lazar and a bunch of fraud crap popped up, but i'll have to look more into that

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fckillerbee

okay....as simple as I can explain this....a black hole is not measured by what we can see...but what we can't see. And what we can see....is that it consumes all matter...even light. If this gravitational "hole" can consume light....then light...is not fast enough to escape it.

What most people think of gravity...is what we assume on earth...but physics leads us to believe that gravity is everywhere. our feet push down on the floor...the floor pushes back. well....what has the ability to stop light from reaching our eyes. The abscense of gravity....

Now think of a magnet...even better..think of our planet. north and south pole...this is where our gravity keeps us on earth. what if they were switched....instead of attracting it would repel....
So we know a magnet could attract a certain area and repel as well...now what if the "repel" consentration was great enough that instead of pushing something away....it alters space. (black hole). so if there is a side A to a whole...then side B. would be on the other end....getting there...wouldn't even take time...since matter doesn't exist in this "hole". There you have traveling faster than light.

Only thing now...is how to create such a gravitation field that instead of supporting something....it does the opposite....

Bob Lazar doesn't expand on this subject...but only touches the idea. what he does talk about...is...well...its more interesting if you heard it yourself...

I posted the youtube clip above.

fckillerbee

interesting video....now I have to research the sumarian race...guess I'll be doing that alllll day tomorrow. lol

OBEEWON

Wow, my brain hurts. I like this thread.

It all boils down to...No one knows enough to reach a factual conclusion. Agnostic, Creationalist, Big Bang whatever, it's all taken on FAITH.

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fckillerbee

yes....faith. Cause as much as we can prove....later in time...we seem to dissaprove of that original theory...to only find another way. Which is also why I have wanted to know more information about meditation... I have a theory behind it, but would like some answers. Preferred from someone soooo knowledgeable in this subject.