Nismo subframe bushings vs. others.... - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

CoasTek240 · 10-07-2007, 12:10 PM

ok. I'd like to get some input from other people. I have a 92 coupe. I recently dropped the subframe (previous one was cracked). So i plan of having my new subframe media blasted and painted. I also ordered a prothane bushing kit, bc i might as well replace a bunch of bushings while im down there. I want to install the nismo replacement urethane subframe bushings, with my kazama collars. However, my question is, wouldnt it be better to just install SPL alum. subframe bushing replacements?i fear they may be too harsh. I daily drive my car, and track it maybe 3-4 times a year. its cheaper to do the alum replacements, but i like the idea of Nismo bushings, and spacers...
help me decide.

D1GP · 10-07-2007, 12:18 PM

for dd id prob spend some more for the nismo bushing.

koukimonster139 · 10-07-2007, 12:39 PM

mmm

define "too harsh"

MrChow · 10-07-2007, 12:57 PM

I use peak performance sub-frame spacers on my DD. I love them.

If you get new sub-frame bushing you don't need the spacers. All spacer do is take the play out of our old bushing that are beat up.
I'd say just Nismo bushing with no spacer would be the best.

Bizzytony · 10-07-2007, 02:54 PM

the alluminum spacers. why deal with the bushing. if it goes out later you will have to change it anyway. Trust me when the bushings really go bad its awful. I daily my car and you really dont even notice it. If you are dropped with any aftermarket suspension it dosent make much difference.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/240SX...spagenameZWDVW
Tottaly worth it. does make the car a small bit noisier, but cant tell over exhaust. well jus my 2 cents
Also if you install spacers or similar collars like^ renders bushings totally useless! also the girls in your avatar are hot.

Koopa Troopa · 10-07-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bizzytony

Trust me when the bushings really go bad its awful.

Word, my bushings are toast... The subframe actually lifts and hits the bottom of the car when I do anything to cause the weight to shift.

statik · 10-07-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Koopa Troopa

Word, my bushings are toast... The subframe actually lifts and hits the bottom of the car when I do anything to cause the weight to shift.

I installed some specialty Z subframe spacers a year ago or so, but eventually the subframe thud came back, my front subframe bushings were basically ripped in half, not much rubber left attached to the center sleeve.

Bizzytony · 10-07-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Koopa Troopa

Word, my bushings are toast... The subframe actually lifts and hits the bottom of the car when I do anything to cause the weight to shift.

yuuup. braking shifting acceling. anything bottoms it out. the collars tottaly fixed that for me. i bought the car like that lol, the guy was like uh idk. got me a good price!

statik · 10-07-2007, 05:34 PM

Doing the same thing right now, subframe/control arm bushings. I went with nismo bushings, obviously I cant tell you how they feel yet but if you don't track your car more than a few times a year like myself, id suggest the nismos over solids.

CKAMC · 10-07-2007, 05:37 PM

DD = Nismo
Track/not a pussy = SPL

add colars in maybe 3-4 years if you get nismo's... but the urethane compound in nismo's is so strong it might last longer than most other brands.... so maybe 7~8 years good?

statik · 10-07-2007, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CKAMC

DD = Nismo
Track/not a pussy = SPL

add colars in maybe 3-4 years if you get nismo's... but the urethane compound in nismo's is so strong it might last longer than most other brands.... so maybe 7~8 years good?

nismo doesnt make anything urethane, just some really hard rubber.

racepar1 · 10-07-2007, 05:51 PM

Don't be a wuss go with the spl. As stated previously the nismo ones aren't even urethane. Also any urethane or rubber bushings will eventually wear out and require replacement, the spl ones will not.

CKAMC · 10-07-2007, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by statik

nismo doesnt make anything urethane, just some really hard rubber.

Taste like urethane tho...

S13Koop · 10-07-2007, 06:05 PM

I hate installing Nismo bushings, such a PITA
SPL's are 11ty x's easier to install.

CoasTek240 · 10-08-2007, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S13Koop

I hate installing Nismo bushings, such a PITA
SPL's are 11ty x's easier to install.

well im pretty sure that just made the decision for me. I'd buy the spl-parts solid replacements i guess... unless anyone has any other suggestions on where to buy cheaper. I dont mind supportin spl, but those really cant be made poorly and i think they should be a lil cheaper than $129.
all i know is its gonna be enough of a pain getting the old bushings out of the new subframe, so i'd rather make the install easy as possible.

***what about these...?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MEWA:IT&ih=011

gotta240 · 10-07-2007, 07:42 PM

but they're metal...right?

metal=vibrations/noise/etc.

racepar1 · 10-07-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gotta240

but they're metal...right?

metal=vibrations/noise/etc.

Yes they're metal, yes they're noisy, yes they transmit a lot more vibration. Who cares? They will NEVER wear out, there will be NO SLOP in the subframe anymore, and you can buy spacers to adjust the anti-squat on the rear suspension. The nismo or urethane ones will wear out, will be more noisy, will transmit more vibration, will still have some play, and have no provisions for adjustment.

babowc · 10-07-2007, 08:15 PM

just more vibration.
add loctite to your subframe nuts.

check all your bolts and tq. down to whatever necessary/recommended by FSM.

driftenthusiast · 10-07-2007, 08:19 PM

The Nismo's are a real pain to install, well, mostly taking the old ones out is.

ayuaddict · 10-08-2007, 08:24 AM

imagine how much of a bitch it would be if they were off by a tenth of a millimeter - in terms of installation.

id pay $60 more any day just to be sure they would fit right.

bigOdom1 · 10-08-2007, 08:51 AM

i went with the spl bushings and haven't looked back

JDS Performance · 10-08-2007, 09:25 AM

Well I am in the works of desgining a product to make solid AL subframe bushing not make so much noise and take a bit of vibration out as well.
I will be making my own design Bushings as well - but will be making a product that you can use on your exsisting bushings.

I am doing all the testing on them right now - and I will go ahead and say - I think everyone is going to be happy!

You get the benifits of the solid AL bushings without the crappy ride!

I should have the products avaliable by Nov-Dec.

"MODS" this is not a for sale/commercial ad - I was just letting the members know not to steer clear of the solid bushing just yet beacuse of harshness!

LMK if this breaks any rules!

*AceInHole* · 10-08-2007, 11:28 AM

I have solid subframe bushings. I don't feel as though they're worth it. I'm not very convinced that "solidifying" your driveline mounts is really a good thing in the first place (subjecting it and other things to more driveline shock and feedback). Luckily I've got a spare subframe so I can screw around with filling it and running the spacers, or I might just get Energy Suspension solid polyurethane bushings.

Also, my car also has poly diff bushings. I can't imagine aluminum bushings would be very tolerable on an S13.

JDS Performance · 10-08-2007, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceInHole

I have solid subframe bushings. I don't feel as though they're worth it. I'm not very convinced that "solidifying" your driveline mounts is really a good thing in the first place (subjecting it and other things to more driveline shock and feedback). Luckily I've got a spare subframe so I can screw around with filling it and running the spacers, or I might just get Energy Suspension solid polyurethane bushings.

Also, my car also has poly diff bushings. I can't imagine aluminum bushings would be very tolerable on an S13.

But if my product works like I plan for it to - it will be good for 10 yrs +

and if it reacts like having polyurethane bushing - maybe just a bit stiffer - wouldnt you rather go with the solid AL with my product - cause if your car last another 10+ yrs all you will have to do is replace my product - never replace the bushing itself ever agin!

2JZGTE · 10-08-2007, 01:12 PM

Do the aluminum sub. spacers.

I removed entire subframe and put in the SPL alu. subframe mounts...they really aren't louder. Just noticed a little more vibration. They're definately worth it if you want more consistent handling.

It isn't the easiest job, but you've already got the subframe out...now have fun taking the old mounts out

It's a b#$ch.

CoasTek240 · 10-08-2007, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2JZGTE

Do the aluminum sub. spacers.

I removed entire subframe and put in the SPL alu. subframe mounts...they really aren't louder. Just noticed a little more vibration. They're definately worth it if you want more consistent handling.

It isn't the easiest job, but you've already got the subframe out...now have fun taking the old mounts out

It's a b#.

yeah, i think thats what i decided on. But i appreciate your input. I am interested in those additions that JDS was explaining.

JDS Performance · 10-08-2007, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoasTek240

yeah, i think thats what i decided on. But i appreciate your input. I am interested in those additions that JDS was explaining.

I will keep you guys posted - I dont have them avaliable just yet - as I wanna finish my full testing - I dont want to sell a product that doesnt work properly!

I will say maybe end of this month - but more than likey Nov.

racepar1 · 10-15-2007, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceInHole

I have solid subframe bushings. I don't feel as though they're worth it. I'm not very convinced that "solidifying" your driveline mounts is really a good thing in the first place (subjecting it and other things to more driveline shock and feedback). Luckily I've got a spare subframe so I can screw around with filling it and running the spacers, or I might just get Energy Suspension solid polyurethane bushings.

Also, my car also has poly diff bushings. I can't imagine aluminum bushings would be very tolerable on an S13.

The rear subframe mounts the suspension not the driveline. Maintaining consistent suspension geometry is not a good idea?

***S14DB*** · 10-15-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by racepar1

The rear subframe mounts the suspension not the driveline. Maintaining consistent suspension geometry is not a good idea?

diff bolts to what?

kandyflip445 · 10-16-2007, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racepar1

The rear subframe mounts the suspension not the driveline. Maintaining consistent suspension geometry is not a good idea?

Have you seen under your car???

10-07-2007, 12:10 PM	#1
CoasTek240 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: VA Age: 36 Posts: 3,034 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Nismo subframe bushings vs. others.... ok. I'd like to get some input from other people. I have a 92 coupe. I recently dropped the subframe (previous one was cracked). So i plan of having my new subframe media blasted and painted. I also ordered a prothane bushing kit, bc i might as well replace a bunch of bushings while im down there. I want to install the nismo replacement urethane subframe bushings, with my kazama collars. However, my question is, wouldnt it be better to just install SPL alum. subframe bushing replacements?i fear they may be too harsh. I daily drive my car, and track it maybe 3-4 times a year. its cheaper to do the alum replacements, but i like the idea of Nismo bushings, and spacers... help me decide.

10-07-2007, 12:39 PM	#3
koukimonster139 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Birmingham, AL Age: 34 Posts: 1,379 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	mmm define "too harsh" __________________ ho ha ho chi chi

10-07-2007, 05:34 PM	#9
statik Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Long Island, NY Age: 37 Posts: 1,358 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: statik Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Doing the same thing right now, subframe/control arm bushings. I went with nismo bushings, obviously I cant tell you how they feel yet but if you don't track your car more than a few times a year like myself, id suggest the nismos over solids. __________________ 97 240sx esaarr \| Current Status: SOLD

10-07-2007, 05:37 PM	#10
CKAMC Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Desert Age: 34 Posts: 4,804 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	DD = Nismo Track/not a pussy = SPL add colars in maybe 3-4 years if you get nismo's... but the urethane compound in nismo's is so strong it might last longer than most other brands.... so maybe 7~8 years good? __________________

10-07-2007, 06:05 PM	#14
S13Koop Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 282 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I hate installing Nismo bushings, such a PITA SPL's are 11ty x's easier to install. __________________ JZX100

10-07-2007, 12:18 PM	#2
D1GP Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 378 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	for dd id prob spend some more for the nismo bushing.

10-07-2007, 02:54 PM	#5
Bizzytony Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hawaii Posts: 136 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the alluminum spacers. why deal with the bushing. if it goes out later you will have to change it anyway. Trust me when the bushings really go bad its awful. I daily my car and you really dont even notice it. If you are dropped with any aftermarket suspension it dosent make much difference. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/240SX...spagenameZWDVW Tottaly worth it. does make the car a small bit noisier, but cant tell over exhaust. well jus my 2 cents Also if you install spacers or similar collars like^ renders bushings totally useless! also the girls in your avatar are hot.

10-07-2007, 05:51 PM	#12
racepar1 Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 38 Posts: 9,006 Trader Rating: (106) Rides Gallery: racepar1 Feedback Score: 106 reviews	Don't be a wuss go with the spl. As stated previously the nismo ones aren't even urethane. Also any urethane or rubber bushings will eventually wear out and require replacement, the spl ones will not.

10-07-2007, 07:42 PM	#16
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	but they're metal...right? metal=vibrations/noise/etc.

10-07-2007, 08:15 PM	#18
babowc Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: G.NET Posts: 2,659 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	just more vibration. add loctite to your subframe nuts. check all your bolts and tq. down to whatever necessary/recommended by FSM.

10-07-2007, 08:19 PM	#19
driftenthusiast Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Oakton Posts: 340 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The Nismo's are a real pain to install, well, mostly taking the old ones out is. __________________ nissan tech

10-08-2007, 08:24 AM	#20
ayuaddict Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Socal Age: 32 Posts: 4,017 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	imagine how much of a bitch it would be if they were off by a tenth of a millimeter - in terms of installation. id pay $60 more any day just to be sure they would fit right.

10-08-2007, 08:51 AM	#21
bigOdom1 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Auburn/Birmingham AL Age: 37 Posts: 1,817 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: bigOdom1 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	i went with the spl bushings and haven't looked back __________________ my car domain that good review thread

10-08-2007, 09:25 AM	#22
JDS Performance Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 3,127 Trader Rating: (53) Feedback Score: 53 reviews	Well I am in the works of desgining a product to make solid AL subframe bushing not make so much noise and take a bit of vibration out as well. I will be making my own design Bushings as well - but will be making a product that you can use on your exsisting bushings. I am doing all the testing on them right now - and I will go ahead and say - I think everyone is going to be happy! You get the benifits of the solid AL bushings without the crappy ride! I should have the products avaliable by Nov-Dec. "MODS" this is not a for sale/commercial ad - I was just letting the members know not to steer clear of the solid bushing just yet beacuse of harshness! LMK if this breaks any rules! __________________ http://www.240SXTECHDVDS.org http://www.JDSPerformanceTurbos.com

10-08-2007, 11:28 AM	#23
AceInHole Autox Technician Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New Haven, CT Age: 40 Posts: 3,961 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: AceInHole Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have solid subframe bushings. I don't feel as though they're worth it. I'm not very convinced that "solidifying" your driveline mounts is really a good thing in the first place (subjecting it and other things to more driveline shock and feedback). Luckily I've got a spare subframe so I can screw around with filling it and running the spacers, or I might just get Energy Suspension solid polyurethane bushings. Also, my car also has poly diff bushings. I can't imagine aluminum bushings would be very tolerable on an S13. __________________

10-08-2007, 01:12 PM	#25
2JZGTE Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Midwest Age: 39 Posts: 332 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Do the aluminum sub. spacers. I removed entire subframe and put in the SPL alu. subframe mounts...they really aren't louder. Just noticed a little more vibration. They're definately worth it if you want more consistent handling. It isn't the easiest job, but you've already got the subframe out...now have fun taking the old mounts out It's a b#$ch. __________________ R35 GT-R, R32 GT-R, Supra, S13, S14, FD3S

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