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rrobe99999 · 08-23-2005, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MadScientist

Steering Colomn Gauge - I smore than likey going to be a unit to hold a Turbo Timer or a small Half Din unit... this way the Cluster view is not obstructed... this would also be a full upper and lower unit to ensure fitment.

I really don't see much point to that. 1/2 Dins like turbo timers and EFDCs mount on top of the column very nicely with just double sticky tape. No special holder needed. Also, those aren't devices that need to be in direct veiw of the driver. But it would be pretty slick. Whatever is decided, I look forward to some new choices. There are lots of JDM LHD interior parts that need to be made for our RHD cars.

trsilvias13 · 08-23-2005, 02:18 PM

how about a rear lip?

Zen S14 · 08-23-2005, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MadScientist

Consider the Cost and if you would actually pay for it... ex: $700 for a Carbon Dash? ?

I'd pay that for a real carbon dash that fits all the stock items.

DoriftoSlut · 08-23-2005, 04:00 PM

I wanna see FLCA's and RUCAs and RLCAs, shit... ALL the suspension bits in CF (Like an F1 car)!

WideS13 · 08-23-2005, 10:23 PM

I'd like to see the dash mounted gauge cluster. The entire dash would be a really bad idea, unless you had some way to make it low gloss. If your entire dsah was nice shinny CF it would glare off of the windsheild and you wouldn't be able to see jack shit.

JVD · 08-23-2005, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by trsilvias13

how about a rear lip?

Yes! Ones like the GP sports rear lips would be awesome.

JVD.

Sky240PWR · 08-24-2005, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by WideS13

I'd like to see the dash mounted gauge cluster. The entire dash would be a really bad idea, unless you had some way to make it low gloss. If your entire dsah was nice shinny CF it would glare off of the windsheild and you wouldn't be able to see jack shit.

If you did do a cf dash, I've been looking around to see who makes them, but no luck!......and as far as the glare, just paint the very top of the dash to go with your interior and the glare won't be as bad!

SochBAT · 08-24-2005, 03:17 AM

CF steeringwheel!!! CF radio bezel? Center console? or, CF buckles for a DIY harness!

kandyflip445 · 08-24-2005, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DoriftoSlut

I wanna see FLCA's and RUCAs and RLCAs, shit... ALL the suspension bits in CF (Like an F1 car)!

Those things are insane. They use carbon for what would be the metal tube part with a cable in the middle connecting the mounting hardware in the event of a crash so they don't fly everywhere. Definately cool stuff.

turtl631 · 08-24-2005, 02:33 PM

I think some gauge mounting solutions would be good. The single guage steering column thing would be great. It should only block a little bit of the tach and speedo if its made right, which is no big deal. The 3 gauge pod for the dash would be nice as well, especially if it was angled well and had good fitment. Lots of people don't like A pillar gauge pods, and all of the AC vent or DIN mount units require you to look pretty far down, which isnt the safest or most convenient thing.

mmdb · 08-24-2005, 05:58 PM

CF drive shaft, cf suspension parts, cf doors, cf hoods (not the chepa overlay), cf trunk lid... dunno what else.

CKAMC · 08-24-2005, 06:53 PM

I myself would be glad to get CF interior parts.

most the peices of trim I have *especially from the radio area to the arm rest* looks like shit and CF would make a nice clean look to it all.

other than that maybe CF door panel and just pop in whatever interior carpet color you want for the rest.

Rear cover for us hatchie people would look nice compared to what is give thru factory.

btw s13 since most are DIRTY like mine.

contact me I have some questions for you MadScientist. *look at signature*

*Yuri* · 08-24-2005, 06:59 PM

I'm interested in the possibilities of the silver c/f. Any chance of getting colored thread mixed into it (like pink c/f)

I totally agree with the ashtray cupholder.

How about:

c/f gas door $50-75?

c/f hatchback rear parcel shelf (the stock ones always bend with age and the carpeting looks nasty) $100-150?

c/f brake cooling guides for the front brakes like those that are optional on the Evo VIII $100?

c/f trim panels to cover the taillight area and prevent glare when you gut the trunk. $?

c/f zenki lip in silver $200?

And finally, would it be possible to do the jdm bumper support in c/f? I mean something that would give a little bit more rigidity to the front than running nothing at all (and hitting cones). or maybe it's just a stupid idea.....

chmercer · 08-24-2005, 08:40 PM

making suspension parts from cf would be either ghetto and dangerous, or insanley expensive. im pretty sure lindsay was joking.

a solid cf hood would cost like a million dollars. i dont see why everyone is so against fiberglass. go pick up a piece of carbon fiber, and a piece of fiberglass. woah, they both weigh like nothing.

on the aftermarket dash situation, i personally would be interested in a simple, flat, rectangular dash shell. like a corolla dash or somthing. somthing easy to make. fiberglass or carbon fiber dosent matter. id glue black suede to it.

DoriftoSlut · 08-24-2005, 09:26 PM

Main benefit of CF is strength vs. weight. CF hood and FRP hood... just about the same weight, and its not something that needs to be strong. (well not any stronger than what FRP offers).

Aero is FRP causr the cost of a CF bumper is outrageous! But at the speeds and obstacles (like rocks and mountain walls) CF will explode just like FRP. Useless bling is what CF is, unless your car's monocoque and panlling has been designed and stress tested/designed WITH CF so it can be useful. THe amount of CF used to equal the strength of steel makes it beneficial cause it weighs a lot less. FOr instance a Ferrari Enzo made from steel would be ungodly heavy.

As far as hoods, doors, trunks, hatches, etc etc are concerned... give me FRP! I'll take the fat wallet over CF bling anyday!

As for interior bits? Meh... any of you guys seen stock peices from the dealer brand new or used but excellent condition? LOOKS AWESOME. Just repaint or buy new. CF looks tacky as hell in most cases.

My plan to have the only CF peice on my car is for the SAFC/Radio/Toggle switches in the DIN and Climate control area. Just a flat peice riveted or epoxied in place with all the holes drilled/cut out for my stuff!

kandyflip445 · 08-25-2005, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chmercer

a solid cf hood would cost like a million dollars. i dont see why everyone is so against fiberglass. go pick up a piece of carbon fiber, and a piece of fiberglass. woah, they both weigh like nothing.

WURZ carbon fiber hoods used to be sold on Intense Motorsports website. They went for 1200 or something like that. They were full carbon with a steel latch frame so you didn't have to use hood pins (from a thread off of zilvia:http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=22693).

http://www.dragva.com/eng/aero/#wurz

This has the picture of the Wurz hood as well as a lot of others.

Sky240PWR · 08-25-2005, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chmercer

making suspension parts from cf would be either ghetto and dangerous, or insanley expensive. im pretty sure lindsay was joking.

a solid cf hood would cost like a million dollars. i dont see why everyone is so against fiberglass. go pick up a piece of carbon fiber, and a piece of fiberglass. woah, they both weigh like nothing.

on the aftermarket dash situation, i personally would be interested in a simple, flat, rectangular dash shell. like a corolla dash or somthing. somthing easy to make. fiberglass or carbon fiber dosent matter. id glue black suede to it.

I could be wrong but I was told with the temp under the hood, the fiber glass hoods can warp, and the carbon one either not at all or not as much,(not sure though)

suhster85 · 08-25-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DoriftoSlut

Main benefit of CF is strength vs. weight. CF hood and FRP hood... just about the same weight, and its not something that needs to be strong. (well not any stronger than what FRP offers).

This is not really all that true. Although FRP is lighter than stock, it is not lighter than a quality CF hood. I deal with these hoods everyday and a quality CF hood is definitely noticeably lighter.

MadScientist · 08-25-2005, 09:45 AM

Carbon Fiber 101

Carbon Fiber is 10 times stronger than steel by weight.
(100lbs steel = 10lbs carbon)
FiberGlass is 3 times stronger than steel by weight.
(100lbs. steel = 33.3lbs fiberglass)

Fiberglass doesn't have tensile strength that is why most Fiberglass/Carbon hoods sag when proped up. A Solid Carbon Hood would not cost an insain amount, but its not going to be like a VIS for $300 eather.

Most all Carbon Hoods made in Japan are solid... Yashio, C-West, Hippo Sleek, etc... Much higher quality than the US crap offered! VIS has blatenly said before "we make affordable parts, not quality parts"... and now this is what the US market expects to pay regardless of quality.

FiberGlass will discolor in the sun and under heat... it will also warp.
UV gell coat will help for a bit, but will eventually haze over.
Poly resin will also discolor in the sun and under heat.
Epoxy resin is the strongest, doesn't discolor, has UV inhibitors, and is offered in 500+ temp... it also cost alot more, so dont be fooled.

Carbon Fiber has a bonding proberty that is infused in it during production so that it bonds to the type of resin being used... Carbon will not bond to Fiberglass even under the same resin matrix... under impact the Carbon will delaminate from Fiberglass.... not saying this will happen to your VIS hood, because a single layer of carbon is bairly enough to be effective over that size.

Carbon Fiber Suspension parts for F1 and the like cost way more than your car and would easily cause your parents to take out a second morgage. Look at the cost of a single Carbon Fiber Rotor or Clutch... that would be equal processing and cost. Carbon processed in this manner is know to explode when it fail or becomes weak, because of the load.

This is just the start... it gets really crazy, really fast.

Carbon Fiber is not cheep and the time it takes to process a part is added to the cost.

We have some ideas on parts now... watch the Kognition section on the website.

Peace
Drew

anthony240 · 08-25-2005, 01:45 PM

front and rear diffusers!

front is easy, just a curved, flat piece of cf, with or without the ends, since front bumpers are different but most have a flat lip.

rear diffuser is harder to make, since rear bumpers are drastically different depending on who makes it.
so maybe a universal type?

EDIT: can we get mirrors like the ones on the s14 above? I know they're ganadors and you'll be making knockoffs, but they're JDM, made for RHD, so the angles will be way off, and then add that it's tiny. So, you won't be making a knockoff, simply a LHD version

TheTimanator · 08-25-2005, 07:09 PM

the sunroof plug has been done before for other vehicles at a reasonable price
http://macqc.com/raceplates/newProducts.htm
I swear I've seen one for the 240 but I can't seem to find it now.

PS...Carbon fiber fuse box lids for S13!! mine are all busted.

*!Zar!* · 08-25-2005, 07:31 PM

A CF silvia/240 headlight support and r33 style grill maby?

aa87 · 08-25-2005, 09:17 PM

zenki s13 lip, i might be down for a glovebox, or maybe do some kind of shell that goes over the glovebox and glues in, i already ripped the tweed offa mine.

chmercer · 08-25-2005, 10:10 PM

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=131278&page=1

some carbon fiber pics in there. might be useful. or somthing. i dunno

SW20Racer · 08-25-2005, 10:37 PM

any chance you'd be willing to make parts for other cars besides the 240? If so, and u need a car to practice on, i would do my damndest to get my car to you.

blackflag_Rms13 · 08-25-2005, 11:01 PM

As well as someones cross-linking, I looooove these gauge mounts...... http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=130552

someguy_240 · 08-26-2005, 12:32 AM

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=131278

this car has a lot of carbon fiber parts... um check it out?

BobbyBoy · 08-26-2005, 12:40 AM

After seeing that I'd definetely take a cf dash and door panels for whatever price they are worth , not some marked up astronomical figure. $700 for a dash seems fair.

SochBAT · 08-26-2005, 01:02 AM

CARBON FIBER VALVE COVER!!!! S13 SOHC covers for me! I think it'd be awesome to flaunt.

Anyone know how much temp CF can take compared to aluminum? or whatever material our covers are made of?

NZO · 08-26-2005, 08:34 AM

M5 style lip spoiler. Probably not going to be too expensive and its something people are likely to buy.

08-23-2005, 04:00 PM	#64
DoriftoSlut Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCal and Hawaii Age: 37 Posts: 1,986 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I wanna see FLCA's and RUCAs and RLCAs, shit... ALL the suspension bits in CF (Like an F1 car)! __________________ Death Before Dishonor. www.pinkgodzira.com www.driftalliance.com

08-24-2005, 06:53 PM	#72
CKAMC Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Desert Age: 34 Posts: 4,804 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I myself would be glad to get CF interior parts. most the peices of trim I have especially from the radio area to the arm rest looks like shit and CF would make a nice clean look to it all. other than that maybe CF door panel and just pop in whatever interior carpet color you want for the rest. Rear cover for us hatchie people would look nice compared to what is give thru factory. btw s13 since most are DIRTY like mine. contact me I have some questions for you MadScientist. look at signature __________________

08-24-2005, 09:26 PM	#75
DoriftoSlut Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCal and Hawaii Age: 37 Posts: 1,986 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Main benefit of CF is strength vs. weight. CF hood and FRP hood... just about the same weight, and its not something that needs to be strong. (well not any stronger than what FRP offers). Aero is FRP causr the cost of a CF bumper is outrageous! But at the speeds and obstacles (like rocks and mountain walls) CF will explode just like FRP. Useless bling is what CF is, unless your car's monocoque and panlling has been designed and stress tested/designed WITH CF so it can be useful. THe amount of CF used to equal the strength of steel makes it beneficial cause it weighs a lot less. FOr instance a Ferrari Enzo made from steel would be ungodly heavy. As far as hoods, doors, trunks, hatches, etc etc are concerned... give me FRP! I'll take the fat wallet over CF bling anyday! As for interior bits? Meh... any of you guys seen stock peices from the dealer brand new or used but excellent condition? LOOKS AWESOME. Just repaint or buy new. CF looks tacky as hell in most cases. My plan to have the only CF peice on my car is for the SAFC/Radio/Toggle switches in the DIN and Climate control area. Just a flat peice riveted or epoxied in place with all the holes drilled/cut out for my stuff! __________________ Death Before Dishonor. www.pinkgodzira.com www.driftalliance.com

08-25-2005, 09:45 AM	#79
MadScientist Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NOLA Age: 44 Posts: 1,964 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Carbon Fiber 101 Carbon Fiber is 10 times stronger than steel by weight. (100lbs steel = 10lbs carbon) FiberGlass is 3 times stronger than steel by weight. (100lbs. steel = 33.3lbs fiberglass) Fiberglass doesn't have tensile strength that is why most Fiberglass/Carbon hoods sag when proped up. A Solid Carbon Hood would not cost an insain amount, but its not going to be like a VIS for $300 eather. Most all Carbon Hoods made in Japan are solid... Yashio, C-West, Hippo Sleek, etc... Much higher quality than the US crap offered! VIS has blatenly said before "we make affordable parts, not quality parts"... and now this is what the US market expects to pay regardless of quality. FiberGlass will discolor in the sun and under heat... it will also warp. UV gell coat will help for a bit, but will eventually haze over. Poly resin will also discolor in the sun and under heat. Epoxy resin is the strongest, doesn't discolor, has UV inhibitors, and is offered in 500+ temp... it also cost alot more, so dont be fooled. Carbon Fiber has a bonding proberty that is infused in it during production so that it bonds to the type of resin being used... Carbon will not bond to Fiberglass even under the same resin matrix... under impact the Carbon will delaminate from Fiberglass.... not saying this will happen to your VIS hood, because a single layer of carbon is bairly enough to be effective over that size. Carbon Fiber Suspension parts for F1 and the like cost way more than your car and would easily cause your parents to take out a second morgage. Look at the cost of a single Carbon Fiber Rotor or Clutch... that would be equal processing and cost. Carbon processed in this manner is know to explode when it fail or becomes weak, because of the load. This is just the start... it gets really crazy, really fast. Carbon Fiber is not cheep and the time it takes to process a part is added to the cost. We have some ideas on parts now... watch the Kognition section on the website. Peace Drew __________________ URAS

08-25-2005, 01:45 PM	#80
anthony240 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 1,234 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	front and rear diffusers! front is easy, just a curved, flat piece of cf, with or without the ends, since front bumpers are different but most have a flat lip. rear diffuser is harder to make, since rear bumpers are drastically different depending on who makes it. so maybe a universal type? EDIT: can we get mirrors like the ones on the s14 above? I know they're ganadors and you'll be making knockoffs, but they're JDM, made for RHD, so the angles will be way off, and then add that it's tiny. So, you won't be making a knockoff, simply a LHD version __________________ 18+ to come//21+ to swallow Last edited by anthony240; 08-25-2005 at 09:42 PM.. Reason: I fixed your pic.

08-23-2005, 02:18 PM	#62
trsilvias13 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,984 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	how about a rear lip?

08-23-2005, 10:23 PM	#65
WideS13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Cherry Point, NC Posts: 56 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'd like to see the dash mounted gauge cluster. The entire dash would be a really bad idea, unless you had some way to make it low gloss. If your entire dsah was nice shinny CF it would glare off of the windsheild and you wouldn't be able to see jack shit.

08-24-2005, 03:17 AM	#68
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 35 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	CF steeringwheel!!! CF radio bezel? Center console? or, CF buckles for a DIY harness!

08-24-2005, 02:33 PM	#70
turtl631 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Milwaukee WI Posts: 900 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I think some gauge mounting solutions would be good. The single guage steering column thing would be great. It should only block a little bit of the tach and speedo if its made right, which is no big deal. The 3 gauge pod for the dash would be nice as well, especially if it was angled well and had good fitment. Lots of people don't like A pillar gauge pods, and all of the AC vent or DIN mount units require you to look pretty far down, which isnt the safest or most convenient thing.

08-24-2005, 05:58 PM	#71
mmdb Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 240sx Posts: 1,558 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	CF drive shaft, cf suspension parts, cf doors, cf hoods (not the chepa overlay), cf trunk lid... dunno what else.

08-24-2005, 08:40 PM	#74
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 35 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	making suspension parts from cf would be either ghetto and dangerous, or insanley expensive. im pretty sure lindsay was joking. a solid cf hood would cost like a million dollars. i dont see why everyone is so against fiberglass. go pick up a piece of carbon fiber, and a piece of fiberglass. woah, they both weigh like nothing. on the aftermarket dash situation, i personally would be interested in a simple, flat, rectangular dash shell. like a corolla dash or somthing. somthing easy to make. fiberglass or carbon fiber dosent matter. id glue black suede to it.

08-25-2005, 07:09 PM	#81
TheTimanator Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nashville Age: 38 Posts: 2,535 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: TheTimanator Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Sunroof Plug the sunroof plug has been done before for other vehicles at a reasonable price http://macqc.com/raceplates/newProducts.htm I swear I've seen one for the 240 but I can't seem to find it now. PS...Carbon fiber fuse box lids for S13!! mine are all busted. __________________ 89 S13 hatch/////98 Subaru 2.5RS

08-25-2005, 07:31 PM	#82
!Zar! Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,576 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	A CF silvia/240 headlight support and r33 style grill maby? __________________

08-25-2005, 09:17 PM	#83
aa87 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Shreveport, LA Age: 33 Posts: 1,116 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	zenki s13 lip, i might be down for a glovebox, or maybe do some kind of shell that goes over the glovebox and glues in, i already ripped the tweed offa mine.

08-25-2005, 10:10 PM	#84
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 35 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=131278&page=1 some carbon fiber pics in there. might be useful. or somthing. i dunno

08-25-2005, 10:37 PM	#85
SW20Racer Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Beaumont Age: 36 Posts: 1,633 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	any chance you'd be willing to make parts for other cars besides the 240? If so, and u need a car to practice on, i would do my damndest to get my car to you.

08-25-2005, 11:01 PM	#86
blackflag_Rms13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,133 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	As well as someones cross-linking, I looooove these gauge mounts...... http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=130552

08-26-2005, 12:32 AM	#87
someguy_240 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Jose Age: 40 Posts: 203 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=131278 this car has a lot of carbon fiber parts... um check it out? __________________ "...But my tires were wet!"

08-26-2005, 12:40 AM	#88
BobbyBoy Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: San Jose CA Age: 36 Posts: 433 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	After seeing that I'd definetely take a cf dash and door panels for whatever price they are worth , not some marked up astronomical figure. $700 for a dash seems fair. __________________

08-26-2005, 01:02 AM	#89
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 35 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	CARBON FIBER VALVE COVER!!!! S13 SOHC covers for me! I think it'd be awesome to flaunt. Anyone know how much temp CF can take compared to aluminum? or whatever material our covers are made of?

08-26-2005, 08:34 AM	#90
NZO Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Reno, NV Age: 38 Posts: 1,424 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: NZO Feedback Score: 0 reviews	M5 style lip spoiler. Probably not going to be too expensive and its something people are likely to buy. __________________ sentinelguild.com/nzo/PFCDB/

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