KA24DESOneThree

OptionZero, the mere fact that you were willing to devote that much time into a well-thought-out post in my defense is awesome. Much thanks.

The weights I posted may not be dead-on, but they help show that there are light, good-looking wheels out there. Yes, they're from wheelweights.net and yes, the offsets are not listed on that site. Yes, I realize there is a difference in weight from 17x9 +0 to 17x9 +40.

I run 17x9s. I don't run 17x9.5s or 17x10s because, although they would look hot, there is no justification. 9s are perfectly wide enough for the 245/40s I like and even give me room to run 255/40 if I ever decide to spend money on power rather than making the car handle better. I ran 17x9 FNs because they were available in 4-lug in a good offset for a good price and are decently light. Now, I am against compromise and will be 5-lug by the end of next week, so I'm ordering a set of CE28Ns to replace my temporary 17x9 +15 TE37s paired with 17x9 +17 MB Weapons until I get the CE28Ns. The CE28Ns are the lightest wheels I know of and are damn sexy. They're also rare on S13s and that rarity makes them a little cooler in my eyes.

I only wish I had a warehouse full of wheels and a properly calibrated scale. I don't like that most companies just spout rhetoric about their wheels' weights rather than fact.

There is ignorance afoot that downplays the effect of unsprung weight, not to mention the effect of a very much widened track on roll center. Unsprung weight not only slows the car down in terms of acceleration, but it has a detrimental effect on deceleration, suspension action and turn-in as well. Lower unsprung weight results in a suspension that does its job much better. Really, if one wants to debate the effects of unsprung weight all one has to do is look to the motorcycle world.

OptionZero

Ok, I'm confused, how does offset affect weight? I'm assuming most companies only change the mounting area just a bit, and that weight is close to the center; combined, the two factors mean weight is only minutely affected by offset.

When you're going from face-1 to face-2 and such I can see differences also if they need to add material to maintain the rigidity.

Compared to an extra .5 inch of width or an inch of diameter, shouldn't a few MM of offset be the least of worries?

chmcercer, i disagree with your taste quite often, but you seem to have rather encyclopedic raw knowledge of certain topics. Actual question: what's your motorsport background? Are you a part-time enthusiast like most of the people here, do you have engineering/industry ties?

NI_YON_Zenki

I truely beleive that any wheel that is purchased, whether it be a longchamp, SSR, Original Volk, Advan or HRE, OZ, or Enkei wheel.

Must continue its rarity under a negative offset.
The level of understanding and structural development put into holding this type of wheel to the ground is complex. adjusting body paneling to the width of he wheel; typically 10, 9, and at some extent 8's, as you can see, the more wider the wheel, the more rare it is to find another exactly like it. it happends. yes.

I have VOLK Racing 57ProS

18x9 & 10 ((-20 Rear // -7 Fronts))

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OptionZero

Please, never post again. That's not even English.

usdm180sx

Yes it is. It's english in japanese syntax

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chmercer

take a wheel like a kosei k1 or an FN or some such, 17x9 +40 or somthing will weigh less than a 17x9 +15 because with a lot of budget minded 1 piece wheels they do not re design the face for every offset, they usually make 2 faces and adjust the offset via the backpad thickness. so the +40 wheel will have a thin backpad and the +15, that has the same face as the 9j +40, they will just add material to the back pad to push it out. somtimes this accounts for 2+ pounds since with a really thick backpad its not very well supported by the spokes, so it has to be pretty heavy duty. in a similar way a low disk wheel will weigh less than a high disk wheel.

changing wheel width on a multipiece wheel adds almost no weight. if you have ever dissasembled a multipiece wheel you will see that the barrels weigh like maybe 20 percent of the total weight of the wheel. most of it is in the face. the actual rim shell is pretty thin forged aluminum, so adding an inch or 2 to the wheel width maybe would add .5-1 pound. you will pick up a substantial amount of weight going from say 18 to 19 however. more like 5ish pounds.

my background is 20 year old college student who works on his car in his parents driveway on the weekends and sits on the internet too much

ps you seem to be mixing up myself and russells posts maybe?

my beef with all the low weight wheels and wanting the best performance crap on a 240 is that nobody on here has a good budget, but it seems that nobody is willing to buy the most "bang for your buck" parts, everybody wants the best crap. so you end up with stock sr20 s13 hatch with a gold plated nardi steering wheel and an arc intercooler, instead of spreading the money around more evenly. sure an 18x12 isnt going to be the best size for a 240 but i only buy used parts and a 275 tire is going to stick more than a 225 tire in practically every cirumstance. sure my car would probably be faster if i had some 2000 dollar wheels with a048s, but then i wouldnt have any money for a turbo, swaybars, yadda yadda.

lucky7

they're going on my red 97.

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OptionZero

what if the guy with $2k wheels and goodtires and a KA is faster than someone with a turbo and 275's?

CrazyIvan

OPTIONZERO, chill out dude, if vip style is not your shit than STFU and dont hate, when is a n/a ka going to be faster than a turboed ka on 275s??? unless its autox and you got a great driver it aint happening, than again 99% of people who own 240s dont autox, that was the stupidest things ive ever heard, charlie's car is IMO one of the best looking 240s around, he built it the way he likes it, its his car not anyone elses

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mrmephistopheles

I'm just sick of the useless argumentative posts I'm seeing.
This thread is about wheels.
Specifically, YOUR opinion of 'best', and a consensus of what's rare.

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struka

yea, i hate drama, just post pics. no one really cares about the other crap.

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mrmephistopheles

Don't post sizes/offsets or anything.

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ranger2339

He hee hoo hoooo!!

Work Equip's 18.10.5 -10 R In pic's.... 18.9.5 +3 F no pic yet!!


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hotrodv

I hate you! give me those wheels!!

viscid240

18x11-21 114.3 5h 18x12-45 114.3 5h

Work Meister S1

lucky7

oh, i didnt know i posted this in the wheel thread. .

size/offsets are weak. IMO, the wheels are relatively rare.

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Masa

rarest of the rare...

deep fns

240's"r"us

holy shit ive never see any fn's like it what sizes are thos

ThatGuy

That size is called PHOTOSHOP! = Cheating = Fail

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mrmephistopheles

yeah if I'm not mistaken, that's a pic of Alex Chang's car way back when.

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struka

man, those are nice! LUCKY!

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Masa

yup^^^

just f'ing w/ pchop... bored.

alwazsidwaz

18x10 -? and 18x13 -7
Wow where does it all end.

alwazsidwaz

PIMP.

18x10/11 -4 and -7 respectively!!!!

You could rock these on a pinto and be ballarific.

byhi

^^^ there was a set of those on ebay about a month or so ago.... guy didnt know what brand they were, sold for like 400.... good sizes too



edit - only true ballers rock chrome 19 inch profounds from Mfab...

struka

man, i want some crazy wheels now.

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alwazsidwaz

400?................

kickeachverse

Dude your impuls are sick. They caught my attention. Makes me wanna get an s14 so i can rock wheels like that.

McRussellPants

Im gonna take the weight argument to a whole new level of "look at me, I passed highschool phys."

Lower offset one peice wheels are better because despite the added weight of the pad the weight is in the center, resulting in a better moment of inertia.

Conclusion... put +50 spacers on your 15x6s and you'll set bonneville records like whoa. FUCK YEAH.

My beef with the light wheel argument is the people are so overzealous 90% of the time. "OMG, I need less unsprung mass! time for some 3K wheels, and the softest sidewall tire I can afford because I don't need the extra weight of reinf sidewall". whoops, can't afford Z32 uprights and theres no way Im cutting my dust shields off. And they'll always be on some notoriously crappy valved coilovers like Megan or K-Sport, if not spring and shocks.

byhi

exactly.... so true, so many kids bitch about 2 lbs per wheel on the subject of rotational mass... so they make a big fuss of why my wide ass wheels are heavy and not worth it, well guess what Mr. welfare hoopty dreamer, i have the power to spin my big boy wheels.... right?

so then they bitch about how they could never rock their car with heavy wheels (when its just an excuse because they cant hold the grip to get them) because they are so worried about building the ultimate machine... but they buy viet-cheap wangchung sleevie cheapie coils...