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Daniel. · 04-19-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NissanEnthus

where in my post did I ever state Wii Sports IS THE STANDARD for all wii games? And you are actually are re-iterating my point...in your non sense way of trying to twist things....Wii appeals and milks the 5-12 year old segment and that is not MY CORE PREFERENCE....YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE NAIL so i hope you get my point now..... If you are trying to prove that the Wii is what the average15+ to adult guy wants to play....ummm that is your preference.....I apologize if you let some stranger hurt your feelings by saying his own opinion and call himself a real gamer and you not because you adore your wii and nintendo..... Just for 1 minute I will call the Wii GREATEST SYSTEM OF ALL TIME ITS THE MANS MAN OF SYSTEMS.....ITS GAMES DEFINED A GENERATION of little kids.....Bring on project cafe.....Im creaming my pants for one

Your well crafted and thoughtful argument has swayed me good sir. Well played! Kudos! Cheers! God save the queen!

amdnivram · 04-19-2011, 08:01 PM

just a little quick wrench for those who claim that Nintendo has been revolutionary and not evolutionary, The Wii and their motion control concept isnt new nor is it theirs. What 24-26 years before the Wii even came out Atari had a motion control, not as complex but to say its revolutionary i think not. All they did was take something that already existed and improved/marketed it to a new audience. Even the Wii's balance board isnt new because Atari had something completely similar to it. Imo its evolutionary, maybe not in terms of their old consoles, but in terms of gaming and consoles in general i'd say yes.

BOROSUN · 04-19-2011, 08:47 PM

also, if you look up ps3 move. its been on development since 2001, the same year as the wii.

but, for the wii controller to evolve. they have to figure out how to move in actual 3d space like the move. i dont think rf signals is gonna cut it anymore.

for those who havent played kz2 with move

its just more fun. like going out to the arcades when i was little.
man, i love to have a projector. maybe a triple projector.

*exitspeed* · 04-20-2011, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel.

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. At this point I'm just going to call you thick headed and reading comprehension challenged.

That's why I stopped posting. lol. This Wii, vs 360 vs PS3 argument is pointless. This thread is about the new console coking out.

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Originally Posted by amdnivram

just a little quick wrench for those who claim that Nintendo has been revolutionary and not evolutionary, The Wii and their motion control concept isnt new nor is it theirs. What 24-26 years before the Wii even came out Atari had a motion control, not as complex but to say its revolutionary i think not. All they did was take something that already existed and improved/marketed it to a new audience. Even the Wii's balance board isnt new because Atari had something completely similar to it. Imo its evolutionary, maybe not in terms of their old consoles, but in terms of gaming and consoles in general i'd say yes.

Of course they weren't THE first ones to use motion controls...but they were the ones that made it a household feature and opened the world up to it. That is Revolutionary. Not just a couple little releases that sold a couple 10,000 copies.

***Future240*** · 04-20-2011, 09:07 AM

So in what ways do y'all want to see the screen utilized?

I want extra game play that unlocks items for the in game character. Or I want things say if a character does a video call in the game it pops up on the screen.

I could see a mech game being pretty awesome with this setup. The screen could act as an additional HUD.

WanganRunner · 04-20-2011, 09:08 AM

Nintendo motion controls were revolutionary because it was the first time someone ever took the technology, incorporated into a console on the basic level, used in all games, and made it work commercially.

The IPad is a revolution because it was the first commercially successful tablet, even though none of the actual technology is new.

It doesn't matter who thought of X first, it only matters who made X work.

Daniel. · 04-20-2011, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

That's why I stopped posting. lol. This Wii, vs 360 vs PS3 argument is pointless. This thread is about the new console coking out.

Yeah fran. I totally agree with you. I think we need to refocus this thread back onto new console news vs the pissing match we've been having.

BOROSUN · 04-20-2011, 10:55 AM

I tried to talk about what CPu possibility it might release but , nobody was interested.

If it's more powerful than the cell. With that power the price range might be around $400 minimum. This is with a LCD controller and such.

Daniel. · 04-20-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BOROSUN

I tried to talk about what CPu possibility it might release but , nobody was interested.

If it's more powerful than the cell. With that power the price range might be around $400 minimum. This is with a LCD controller and such.

What I'm hoping for is that Nintendo doesn't make the same mistake as Sony and use a chipset that will allow devs to easily design games.

The cell processor had a high initial learning curve which prevented a lot of early games from being quickly ported over to the PS3.
CPU isn't the only thing matters though. As of right now the Xbox 360 is actually capable of higher polygon counts than the PS3 due to it's GPU.

$400 sounds reasonable for a next generation high end gaming console with an LCD controller. I might even shell out $500 or $600.

*exitspeed* · 04-20-2011, 11:14 AM

I'd like to see it come in at $299, but I don't think that will happen with the controller. $399 sounds more realistic.

BOROSUN · 04-20-2011, 11:29 AM

That's wall developers they have to break. Start making good efficient multicore games.

Sony stepped up the plate when they basically told developer to start programming and stop using the same formula. Technology is not gonna sit while software becomes stagnant. If nintendo takes the same route I'll praise them.

***Future240*** · 04-20-2011, 11:35 AM

$400 is a good price point for me. For $500 the gpu and CPU better be stellar with lots of features.

I am wondering will it have a DVD drive or a blue ray drive. I can see how Nintendo would not want a Blu-ray buy DVD are last gen tech would could potential force them to get drives from Sony.

As far as the console itself, wifi built in, 250GB HDD for sure.

Daniel. · 04-20-2011, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BOROSUN

That's wall developers they have to break. Start making good efficient multicore games.

Sony stepped up the plate when they basically told developer to start programming and stop using the same formula. Technology is not gonna sit while software becomes stagnant. If nintendo takes the same route I'll praise them.

The problem is not that developers are lazy and/or don't know how to design efficient multi-core games the problem is that the architecture itself is a time sink to design for.

The way I understand it is that the cell architecture has 2 main CPU's with with 3 sub processors each.
Compare that to the Xbox 360 which has 3 cores with 2 sub processors each.

The common analogy used is to imagine having two arms juggling 3 balls each, vs having 3 arms juggling 2 balls each.

As a game designer, I want to devote resources (engineering work) towards maximizing time/value ratio. It's just basic business sense to spend the extra engineering effort towards developing games for the xbox 360.

The new Nintendo system needs to be easy for developers to design games for, otherwise what's the point of having a top of the line cutting edge CPU architecture?

BOROSUN · 04-20-2011, 12:07 PM

I'll pay 800 If it can actually do raytracing games. Imagine playing raytracing Mario/kart or Zelda.

Edit .Good point about the time/resource. my iPhone is dying.

*exitspeed* · 04-20-2011, 12:20 PM

Do you guys think that it will almost have to be Blueray considering the size of game now?

***Future240*** · 04-20-2011, 02:59 PM

^^Yes. Though as I said earlier I can see how Nintendo would not want a Blu-ray since it would force them to get drives from Sony, however dvd disks are old tech. Until the media format changes it makes sense for it to have blu-ray.

I bet this is a hotly debated topic in the Nintendo offices.

*exitspeed* · 04-20-2011, 03:01 PM

Blu-ray is more than likely the last physical disc format we will have.

Daniel. · 04-20-2011, 03:02 PM

I don't need another Blu-ray player in my house. I need Nintendo to focus on what it does best. Gaming.

amdnivram · 04-20-2011, 03:04 PM

If the controllers do indeed have lcd touch screen how much do you think they will cost? I'm thinking a little over 100, i mean the ps3 controllers alone cost 60.

***Future240*** · 04-20-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

Blu-ray is more than likely the last physical disc format we will have.

I agree, after it I feel content will be net based and either streamed or stored on huge HDD after a download. However I think that will take some years as the mass public is ready for that to happen just yet. Hell some people still have VHS'

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Originally Posted by Daniel.

I don't need another Blu-ray player in my house. I need Nintendo to focus on what it does best. Gaming.

So would you prefer a dvd based console with good games? Not questioning you, just curious.

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Originally Posted by amdnivram

If the controllers do indeed have lcd touch screen how much do you think they will cost? I'm thinking a little over 100, i mean the ps3 controllers alone cost 60.

I feel between $80-120 easy. If it is an LCD close to $80 if it is an OLED then closer to $120.

Daniel. · 04-20-2011, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by future240

So would you prefer a dvd based console with good games? Not questioning you, just curious.

I have no preference either way. I just don't want the fancy new Blu-ray player to distract Nintendo.

I think the Blu-ray feature might be a necessity due to increasing game sizes though. W/e.

theicecreamdan · 04-20-2011, 06:26 PM

has disk size been a factor yet on the 360?

BOROSUN · 04-20-2011, 08:33 PM

bluray wont distact nintendo. most ps3 games are already filling up the blurays.

Microsoft has told CVG that it considers digital media - and not the Blu-ray disc - the 'future of home entertainment'.

Calls for Microsoft to increase the capacity of its games media have grown since Lost Planet 2 producer Jun Takeuchi said that Capcom had to cut content from the Xbox 360 version of the game due to size restrictions of the DVD format.
However, director of Xbox and Entertainment at Microsoft Stephen McGill told CVG this week:

"We have no plans to adopt [a] Blu-ray drive for the Xbox 360. In fact, the future of home entertainment started last autumn when Xbox 360 became the first and only console to offer instant-on 1080p streaming HD movies."

McGill's comments come after the God Of War III developers at Sony Santa Monica praised the 50GB capacity of PS3's multi-layered Blu-ray discs.

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer hinted earlier this week that there will be revised models of Xbox 360 coming 'in the future'.

250GB Xbox 360 'Super Elite' models are now available in bundles with games such as Final Fantasy XIII and Forza 3.

Look out for CVG's full interview with Microsoft's Stephen McGill tomorrow
Xbox News: Microsoft: Xbox doesn't need Blu-ray - ComputerAndVideoGames.com

they can make you dl extra content that couldnt fit on the disk but, who wants to do that?

*exitspeed* · 04-21-2011, 07:47 AM

The biggest thing holding back all digital media is the dl speed.

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to not have to make a trip to the store Tue morning to get a new release and just have my Xbox 173675496 or PS69 just start dl it at midnight for me so when I wake up in the morn, my brand new midnight release game is on a hdd waiting for me.

The Sony's upcoming NGP will be the first gaming system, handheld or otherwise that will have every game available digitally and retail package simultaneously on the day of release.

***Future240*** · 04-21-2011, 09:52 AM

Download speed is one concern however as awesome as it sounds I worried about this dlc trend. I understand extra missions or content but some games are missing stuff to begin with or it's already in the main purchase and dlc unlocks it.

*exitspeed* · 04-21-2011, 10:04 AM

DLC is a whole 'notehr conversation. lol. Don't get me started on that.

*exitspeed* · 04-21-2011, 03:30 PM

Don't worry guys, I'm on top of it like Jenna Jameson during work hours.

Cliff Notes:

-Price $350-$400
-Earliest release would be Mid October to Early November but possible early 2012
-Manufactured in Taiwan so Tsunami hasn't effected anything
-Revamped version of AMD's R700 GPU. More powerful then PS3 7800-GTX
-Custom Triple-Core IBM PowerPC chipset
-1080 with possible stereoscopic 3D ie no glasses needed
-Size will be comparable to original 360 and look like a modern SNES!!!!!! (YES!!!)
-Touchscreen controllers could stream games
-Possible name is Stream
Project Cafe: The Tech Behind Nintendo's Next Console - Gear News at IGN

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More details of Nintendo's forthcoming console, codenamed Project Cafe aka Wii 2, have been revealed to IGN, including the system's estimated pricing, release, console design, processing architecture, and name.

According to sources with knowledge of the project, Nintendo's next console could have a retail price of anywhere between $350 and $400 based on manufacturing costs, and will ship from Taiwanese manufacturer, Foxconn, this October, putting the earliest possible retail release anywhere between mid-October and early November.

However, Nintendo could also opt to build up a sizable supply of the system and allocate more time for software and games development by launching in early 2012. Similarly, Nintendo could attempt to lower the retail price of the system with lower profit margins to make the price more alluring.

Since the manufacturing is taking place in Taiwan, the earthquakes and tsunami that hit Japan last month will not impact the console hardware as previously expected.

Our Sources

Head over to Scott Lowe's blog to find out why we trust our sources and so should you.
Additionally, IGN has learned that the system will be based on a revamped version of AMD's R700 GPU architecture, not AMD's Fusion technology as previously believed, which will, as previously reported, out perform the PlayStation 3's NVIDIA 7800GTX-based processor. Like the Xbox 360, the system's CPU will be a custom-built triple-core IBM PowerPC chipset, but the clocking speeds will be faster. The system will support 1080p output with the potential for stereoscopic 3D as well, though it has not been determined whether that will be a staple feature.

In terms of the design of the console itself, the overall size will be comparable to that of the original Xbox 360 and the system is likely to resemble a modernized version of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES).

As reported last week, it will indeed utilize controllers with integrated touchscreens and be capable of streaming games to each controller, though given the power of the system, could also feasibly provide a virtualized console for each individual unit.

Finally, Nintendo is considering naming the console Stream, though it is potentially one of several names currently being vetted by the company.

We contacted Nintendo representatives, but they declined to comment on "rumors or speculation."

For more on Project Cafe, stay tuned to IGN.com.

***Future240*** · 04-21-2011, 04:31 PM

I'm giddy as a school girl. I want to look more into this gpu but borosun will probably have that info up and a discussion going by the time I get off work.

This is so awesome.

BOROSUN · 04-21-2011, 08:15 PM

i dunno if everything is final... but, kinda disappointed with that r700 gpu.
excited with the stereoscoic 3d but, not sure thats gonna run smooth not only that amd running 3d on a sinlge gpu. i was hoping a r900 which fixed most the scaling and its got to have atleast 2gb to run 3 screens smoothly. i had the hd4870 those things ran pretty hot, this is all going inside on small case console. hopefully theyll design it better cooling than the ps3 fat or 360. i guess its doable, my laptop has a hd5730 a rebadge r700*. still if you put on your laps it will burn you. the exhaust vent too. i have a external cooler for it.

triple core why not quad?

man, i dunno... ps4 will probably crush these specs.

i really dig the stereoscopic 3d, finally. about the no glasses needed..lol thats if they comeout with a 3dtv with no glass. passive 3dtv is the closes thing today's market even those have flaws like reduced resolution (samsung is release one that fixes that though).

BOROSUN · 04-21-2011, 08:22 PM

lol

04-20-2011, 09:08 AM	#126
WanganRunner Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Posts: 1,655 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Nintendo motion controls were revolutionary because it was the first time someone ever took the technology, incorporated into a console on the basic level, used in all games, and made it work commercially. The IPad is a revolution because it was the first commercially successful tablet, even though none of the actual technology is new. It doesn't matter who thought of X first, it only matters who made X work. __________________ SELL ME CLEAR ZENKI CORNERS: http://zilvia.net/f/wanted-buy/40034...rs-junyan.html

04-20-2011, 11:14 AM	#130
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I'd like to see it come in at $299, but I don't think that will happen with the controller. $399 sounds more realistic. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

04-20-2011, 12:20 PM	#135
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Do you guys think that it will almost have to be Blueray considering the size of game now? __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

04-20-2011, 03:01 PM	#137
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Blu-ray is more than likely the last physical disc format we will have. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

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Daniel. Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 36 Posts: 3,713 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Daniel. Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I don't need another Blu-ray player in my house. I need Nintendo to focus on what it does best. Gaming. __________________

04-19-2011, 08:47 PM	#123
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	also, if you look up ps3 move. its been on development since 2001, the same year as the wii. but, for the wii controller to evolve. they have to figure out how to move in actual 3d space like the move. i dont think rf signals is gonna cut it anymore. for those who havent played kz2 with move its just more fun. like going out to the arcades when i was little. man, i love to have a projector. maybe a triple projector.

04-20-2011, 10:55 AM	#128
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I tried to talk about what CPu possibility it might release but , nobody was interested. If it's more powerful than the cell. With that power the price range might be around $400 minimum. This is with a LCD controller and such.

04-20-2011, 11:29 AM	#131
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	That's wall developers they have to break. Start making good efficient multicore games. Sony stepped up the plate when they basically told developer to start programming and stop using the same formula. Technology is not gonna sit while software becomes stagnant. If nintendo takes the same route I'll praise them.

04-20-2011, 12:07 PM	#134
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'll pay 800 If it can actually do raytracing games. Imagine playing raytracing Mario/kart or Zelda. Edit .Good point about the time/resource. my iPhone is dying.

04-20-2011, 08:33 PM	#143
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	bluray wont distact nintendo. most ps3 games are already filling up the blurays. Microsoft has told CVG that it considers digital media - and not the Blu-ray disc - the 'future of home entertainment'. Calls for Microsoft to increase the capacity of its games media have grown since Lost Planet 2 producer Jun Takeuchi said that Capcom had to cut content from the Xbox 360 version of the game due to size restrictions of the DVD format. However, director of Xbox and Entertainment at Microsoft Stephen McGill told CVG this week: "We have no plans to adopt [a] Blu-ray drive for the Xbox 360. In fact, the future of home entertainment started last autumn when Xbox 360 became the first and only console to offer instant-on 1080p streaming HD movies." McGill's comments come after the God Of War III developers at Sony Santa Monica praised the 50GB capacity of PS3's multi-layered Blu-ray discs. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer hinted earlier this week that there will be revised models of Xbox 360 coming 'in the future'. 250GB Xbox 360 'Super Elite' models are now available in bundles with games such as Final Fantasy XIII and Forza 3. Look out for CVG's full interview with Microsoft's Stephen McGill tomorrow Xbox News: Microsoft: Xbox doesn't need Blu-ray - ComputerAndVideoGames.com they can make you dl extra content that couldnt fit on the disk but, who wants to do that? Last edited by BOROSUN; 04-20-2011 at 09:03 PM..

04-21-2011, 07:47 AM	#144
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The biggest thing holding back all digital media is the dl speed. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to not have to make a trip to the store Tue morning to get a new release and just have my Xbox 173675496 or PS69 just start dl it at midnight for me so when I wake up in the morn, my brand new midnight release game is on a hdd waiting for me. The Sony's upcoming NGP will be the first gaming system, handheld or otherwise that will have every game available digitally and retail package simultaneously on the day of release. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

04-21-2011, 10:04 AM	#146
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	DLC is a whole 'notehr conversation. lol. Don't get me started on that. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

04-21-2011, 08:15 PM	#149
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i dunno if everything is final... but, kinda disappointed with that r700 gpu. excited with the stereoscoic 3d but, not sure thats gonna run smooth not only that amd running 3d on a sinlge gpu. i was hoping a r900 which fixed most the scaling and its got to have atleast 2gb to run 3 screens smoothly. i had the hd4870 those things ran pretty hot, this is all going inside on small case console. hopefully theyll design it better cooling than the ps3 fat or 360. i guess its doable, my laptop has a hd5730 a rebadge r700. still if you put on your laps it will burn you. the exhaust vent too. i have a external cooler for it. triple core why not quad? man, i dunno... ps4 will probably crush these specs. i really dig the stereoscopic 3d, finally. about the no glasses needed..lol thats if they comeout with a 3dtv with no glass. passive 3dtv is the closes thing today's market even those have flaws like reduced resolution (samsung is release one that fixes that though). Last edited by BOROSUN; 04-21-2011 at 08:54 PM..*

04-21-2011, 08:22 PM	#150
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	lol

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