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180sxmaniac · 04-07-2013, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ-of-E

This is very much true. I bought my first 240sx in 2003 when people were still a Honda craze and high school people looked at my car and said "why you buy a Ford Phobe." Then drifting and initial D happened and people then asked "do you drift your car?"

I bought my car because I wanted a nice looking and fairly simple RWD car because my dad has Nissan 280zx turbo and he had me daily drive a 1985 Toyota Celica GT-S (also RWD). I "was" looking for Honda Civics, but they were around $3000 range and I found a Nissan 240sx (was looking at 300zx) for $2300 1 owner 110,000 miles. Drove it, felt like the Celica GT-S, loved it.

I remember doing a report about sales numbers for 240sx as a Statistics project

Judging by the numbers, I say it sold pretty damn well in 1989 to 1992 "only' because of the following conditions:
1) 1982 to 1991 was the generation were demand for "coupe" vehicles were very high.
2) car was pretty cheap brand new, but I do know the S14 . I actually found previous owner's sales receipt of my 1991 Nissan 240sx was $16K OTD...bought by a college age lady (also found 1992 Santa Monica college booklet).
3) 1989 to 1991 models look better than its competition (Honda Civic and Honda Prelude)

Then the numbers went down because of the introduction the 4th gen Honda Civic and 4th gen Honda prelude due the following:
1) Honda's incredibly aggressive sales and marketing to compete with Toyota. You would get cars via invoice price without haggles. While MSRP existed, people would get these cars at almost 20% off of MSRP.
2) Nicer curves to fit the "demand."
3) Growing trend of buyers no longer looking for a "sport coupe" as a vehicle.

One of the questions my professor asked me was "Would a new version of 240sx be successful in today's market." I replied "no way, not possible (see 350z sales numbers over the years)"

Not really strange to me how the S14 barely sold,the late 90s was arguably the greatest few years of sport cars ever. So I can easily see how enthusiast didn't waste their time on a ka24de S14 when there were turbos cars running around everywhere. In the late 90s you had the supra,rx7 FD,3000gt VR4,Eclipse GST,300zx all turbo cars and many of em twin turbo. Then you had fast NA's like the SC300/400,mustang,camaro,corvette. Back in the late 90s if you really wanted an affordable rwd car the miata was the answer so with that said the 240sx was almost the lost car of the late 90s at least here in the states. Because of the poor sales of the s14 the s15 wasn't released here. But even if the s15 was released in the states the Japs woulda made sure to send us some bs ka24 motor in the s15 anyways.

OrangeVirus1 · 04-07-2013, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 180sxmaniac

Not really strange to me how the S14 barely sold,the late 90s was arguably the greatest few years of sport cars ever. So I can easily see how enthusiast didn't waste their time on a ka24de S14 when there were turbos cars running around everywhere. In the late 90s you had the supra,rx7 FD,3000gt VR4,Eclipse GST,300zx all turbo cars and many of em twin turbo. Then you had fast NA's like the SC300/400,mustang,camaro,corvette. Back in the late 90s if you really wanted an affordable rwd car the miata was the answer so with that said the 240sx was almost the lost car of the late 90s at least here in the states. Because of the poor sales of the s14 the s15 wasn't released here but even if the s15 was released in the states the Japs woulda made sure to send us some bs ka motor in the s15 anyways.

your post makes it sound like Japan wants to keep all the cool stuff for themselves, and swap in any crap leftover engine's they have for US sales lol

180sxmaniac · 04-07-2013, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeVirus1

car manufacturers nowadays are all about MPG. and maybe 1 of their entire line up is for enthusiasts.

They should release something completely new.
not a 240sx.
not a 350/370z

they should make a 200ZSXT!

a RWD ( or awd option ) 2.0 Turbo that has a completely new engine.
and should also come with other options like AWD, NA or turbo, and A turbo diesel. and it should be tuned for high boost high compression direct injection and get around 35MPG off boost

I agree and nobody does FR layout cars quite like the engineers over at Nissan. I'm hoping Nismo does something to counter punch the Toyota 86. Maybe they can give us an upgraded SR20 similar to that in the S15 but hopefully with more power and a true coupe similar to the bodystyle of the S15 that would challenge the T86 which in my opinion is still overpriced considering you only get 161 feet of torque and its a NA, dam shame.

OrangeVirus1 · 04-07-2013, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 180sxmaniac

I agree and nobody does FR layout cars quite like the engineers over at Nissan. I'm hoping Nismo does something to counter punch the Toyota 86. Maybe they can give us an upgraded SR20 similar to that in the S15 but hopefully with more power and a true coupe similar to the bodystyle of the S15 that would challenge the T86 which in my opinion is still overpriced considering you only get 161 feet of torque and its a NA, dam shame.

no dude the SR20 is dead. we need something new. not a revamped SR20.

They have the 370z to compete with it?

nissan needs to make the first all electric, FLYING CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

180sxmaniac · 04-07-2013, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeVirus1

your post makes it sound like Japan wants to keep all the cool stuff for themselves, and swap in any crap leftover engine's they have for US sales lol

yea pretty much I mean think about it, really the 350z was the only car released in large numbers here in the states. The Evo,Sti, Rx7 Fd,Supra Turbo, are some of Japan's most legendary cars and they were released in limited quantities. The 240sx didn't come with an Sr20 which still boggles my mind considering all the other turbo Japanese cars that were out at the same time. I really don't understand that one. The s15 nor any of the skylines were released here so the Japs really did screw us with Ky jelly. I mean honestly we as a community magnify the greatness of the s13 and s14 as if they were Skylines but rightfully so bcuz an s14 is the closest thing we will get to an s15 or skyline.

zerodameaon · 04-07-2013, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeVirus1

1992 S13 original tax value was 14.5k.. that's what it says on my registration.

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Originally Posted by 180sxmaniac

That's unbelievably reasonable,Nissan should re release this car with or without SR20 it would be a line outside of people waiting to buy one

Not as reasonable as you think. That is roughly 23k in todays money for a base model. We would most likely not see a 240 remake for much under 30k and the FRS starts at 25k.

180sxmaniac · 04-07-2013, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeVirus1

no dude the SR20 is dead. we need something new. not a revamped SR20.

They have the 370z to compete with it?

nissan needs to make the first all electric, FLYING CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL flying cars. The 370z is too heavy and its pricey. From what I've read and I've done quite a bit of research, Nissan will probably discontinue the 370z within the next 4 years and they will bring something out similar to the T86 as far as light weight,relatively inexpensive and probably a 4cylinder turbo. Sr20 is a very good motor especially the S15 version, and it is alive and well especially where I live most if not all the 240sx are running Sr20s

180sxmaniac · 04-07-2013, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by zerodameaon

Not as reasonable as you think. That is roughly 23k in todays money for a base model.

Yea 23k for a base model 240sx would be absurd. No more than 16k for a brand new 240sx USDM trim

zerodameaon · 04-07-2013, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 180sxmaniac

LOL flying cars. The 370z is too heavy and its pricey. From what I've read and I've done quite a bit of research, Nissan will probably discontinue the 370z within the next 4 years and they will bring something out similar to the T86 as far as light weight,relatively inexpensive and probably a 4cylinder turbo. Sr20 is a very good motor especially the S15 version, and it is alive and well especially where I live most if not all the 240sx are running Sr20s

They are swaps, that has nothing to do with factory options. SR20 is dead from the factory as of around 2007.

OrangeVirus1 · 04-07-2013, 11:20 PM

Car's nowaday's are priced high, valued low.. and fall apart quick.

My mazda Brand spanking new with 1 mile was like 23k$.. literally 12 months later it's worth 12k in perfect condition. all the plastic on it is starting to fall apart and it's barely got 30k miles.

Car's aren't made now like they were used to.. it's just Plastic, cheap, and quick. Just last long enough to outlive the warranty. which sucks.

Like turbo cars nowadays, most are already near the limit before blowing the engine because Car manufactures cheap out on parts. Take the Hyundai Genesis 2.0T as example, I've seen one blow up BONE stock just from boosting to redline.

while a Turbo car 20 years ago, would go to redline on a turbo 3x bigger and love it.

Drop forged rods > powder / cast rods.

Another perfect example, Mazdaspeed3's. Mazda MAJORLY cheaped out on the turbo.. a Wimpy ass K04 that can barely flow enough air for a 1.6L engine.. The cars rolled out the door with Shitty turbo's that Blew smoke within a few 100 miles and blew engines.

the FR-S. My friend bought one brand new. We had a rainy day and his WHOLE tail light, both of them, were FULL of rain water. including his headlight. not a mist, not a fog, it was a damn aquarium inside.

180sxmaniac · 04-07-2013, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeVirus1

Car's nowaday's are priced high, valued low.. and fall apart quick.

My mazda Brand spanking new with 1 mile was like 23k$.. literally 12 months later it's worth 12k in perfect condition. all the plastic on it is starting to fall apart and it's barely got 30k miles.

Car's aren't made now like they were used to.. it's just Plastic, cheap, and quick. Just last long enough to outlive the warranty. which sucks.

Like turbo cars nowadays, most are already near the limit before blowing the engine because Car manufactures cheap out on parts. Take the Hyundai Genesis 2.0T as example, I've seen one blow up BONE stock just from boosting to redline.

while a Turbo car 20 years ago, would go to redline on a turbo 3x bigger and love it.

Drop forged rods > powder / cast rods.

Another perfect example, Mazdaspeed3's. Mazda MAJORLY cheaped out on the turbo.. a Wimpy ass K04 that can barely flow enough air for a 1.6L engine.. The cars rolled out the door with Shitty turbo's that Blew smoke within a few 100 miles and blew engines.

the FR-S. My friend bought one brand new. We had a rainy day and his WHOLE tail light, both of them, were FULL of rain water. including his headlight. not a mist, not a fog, it was a damn aquarium inside.

So true. Dam I can't believe the FRS let water get in the tail lights smh. I think the BMW 335i is the best turbo car on the US market. I haven't heard any complaints about that car from my Bimmer buddies,however that car is out of my price range at the moment and its more luxurious than sporty in my opinion. One thing I can say about Mazda is they might not make the most reliable cars but dam their cars feel great for dd and they handle very well

180sxmaniac · 04-07-2013, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by zerodameaon

They are swaps, that has nothing to do with factory options. SR20 is dead from the factory as of around 2007.

O Ok I had no idea. Dam I'm sure the engineers over at Nissan can come up with a new 4cylinder turbo maybe they should team up with Mitsubishi to take on Toyotaru

OrangeVirus1 · 04-07-2013, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 180sxmaniac

So true. Dam I can't believe the FRS let water get in the tail lights smh. I think the BMW 335i is the best turbo car on the US market. I haven't heard any complaints about that car from my Bimmer buddies,however that car is out of my price range at the moment and its more luxurious than sporty in my opinion. One thing I can say about Mazda is they might not make the most reliable cars but dam their cars feel great for dd and they handle very well

that's cuz mazda uses the same suspension setup in some of their cars as the evo uses. McPherson struts and electronically controlled suspension stuff.

180sxmaniac · 04-07-2013, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeVirus1

that's cuz mazda uses the same suspension setup in some of their cars as the evo uses. McPherson struts and electronically controlled suspension stuff.

The Rx8 was the best handling sports car that I've driven so far.

DialedLife · 04-07-2013, 11:42 PM

I like the looks of the 350. Not so much of the 370. Any word about whats coming new for the 370 or after the 370?

coupesallday! · 04-07-2013, 11:48 PM

When I had my base model s13 coupe the original price was 17k

180sxmaniac · 04-07-2013, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DialedLife

I like the looks of the 350. Not so much of the 370. Any word about whats coming new for the 370 or after the 370?

Well I work for Toyota and when I talked to my buddy over at Nissan he told me that Nissan is considering discontinuing the 370z fairly soon and possibly bringing out a car to compete with the T86, now I was tild this mid to late 2012. yes I agree I like the 350z but no too high not on 370z. I drove my buddy's 370z and it was torquey but very heavy,my buddy ended up selling the 370 and got him a Sr20 Kouki S14 now, tells you what he thought about the 370

zerodameaon · 04-07-2013, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 180sxmaniac

O Ok I had no idea. Dam I'm sure the engineers over at Nissan can come up with a new 4cylinder turbo maybe they should team up with Mitsubishi to take on Toyotaru

That is a worse team than Toyota and Subaru. Nissan is already with Renault. We don't need a 100% hybrid car company stepping in.

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Originally Posted by 180sxmaniac

The Rx8 was the best handling sports car that I've driven so far.

You need to drive more cars, the Rx8 is pretty bad.

180sxmaniac · 04-08-2013, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by zerodameaon

That is a worse team than Toyota and Subaru. Nissan is already with Renault. We don't need a 100% hybrid car company stepping in.

You need to drive more cars, the Rx8 is pretty bad.

Yea I do need to drive more cars but the 8 handles well its underpowered but its smooth, let me retract my statement the s2k is by far the best handling car i've driven,forgot about that one

OrangeVirus1 · 04-08-2013, 12:02 AM

1995 Eclipse GSX. Best handling car I've owned by far. AWD, light, double wishbone suspension..

180sxmaniac · 04-08-2013, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeVirus1

1995 Eclipse GSX. Best handling car I've owned by far. AWD, light, double wishbone suspension..

That's interesting I've owned a couple eclipses all 3rd gen v6 models not the greatest handling car but surprisingly very torque but i would've never guessed the 2g eclipse had great handling

KOUKIboy · 04-08-2013, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 180sxmaniac

Does anybody know the sticker price from Nissan for the S13 and S14 USDM?

S14 was about 20k back in the day, it says so on my registration... I remember I didn't know jackshit about Nissans, until my cousin got me a Super Street

I saw Ricky Chu's S14.5 and instantly fell in love with S Chassis, I was originally gonna get a CRX, then a Maxima, finally I found my S14 for 800 bucks lol, it was crashed on the driver's side and quarter panel. Found a new door, and had the quarter panel cut and welded, painted the car and bam!!! 1500 S14 w less than a 100k on the motor

I got an S14 because I wanted to be different, way before the DRFT craze, and everybody had a honda back in those days....

180sxmaniac · 04-08-2013, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KOUKIboy

S14 was about 20k back in the day, it says so on my registration... I remember I didn't know jackshit about Nissans, until my cousin got me a Super Street

I saw Ricky Chu's S14.5 and instantly fell in love with S Chassis, I was originally gonna get a CRX, then a Maxima, finally I found my S14 for 800 bucks lol, it was crashed on the driver's side and quarter panel. Found a new door, and had the quarter panel cut and welded, painted the car and bam!!! 1500 S14 w less than a 100k on the motor

I got an S14 because I wanted to be different, way before the DRFT craze, and everybody had a honda back in those days....

Do you still have the S14?Neat story by the way.

*ManoNegra* · 04-08-2013, 09:20 AM

Option Videos, Initial D, D1 Exhibitions back in early 2000s...
in the early days 240s were the cars you settled on after not able to find a clean and cheap ae86
by F&F1 it was already full blown AIDS from ex-Honda kids piling on the bandwagon

S13s could be had for ~1 to 2k
zenki s14s for ~6 to 8k and kouki ~10 to 15k
this was for stock clean cars and of course there were always exceptions

Felipe · 04-08-2013, 09:41 AM

94s are rare as fuck

Production numbers In the United States

All models (including convertibles):
1989 - 68118
1990 - 60582
1991 - 34534
1992 - 27033
1993 - 21471
1994 - 1391
1995 - 25114
1996 - 7334
1997 - 3655
1998 - 2178

collegekid · 04-08-2013, 09:43 AM

I have always loved cars my whole life. I came out of my moms vagina with a hot wheels in my hand. I didn't really do anything more than just play racing games until around 16 when I got my license. I knew that front wheel drive was bad for any real kind of racing so I knew to get Rear wheel drive. I always thought the 300zx was sexy, any Z car really. I knew I wasn't going to mess with my moms 2006 Honda accord sedan with the automatic 4 cylinder in there.

Time came around to get my first cars and most of the Z's were falling apart and priced very high. I started googling "what to expect when owning a 300zx" and related things, came across things now known as forums and heard that the 240sx was an alternative that would serve me well. I was just looking for something cheap, rwd, somewhat reliable, and a 2 door.

Ended up finding a 96 with 180k and autotragic trans. Spent the next year finding out about all of the extreme modifications and engine swaps while looking for how to convert from auto to manual. Then crashed it by misjudging a turn while trying to do some time attack runs on some back roads.

Spent the next year working my ass off to pay for repairs and started on the whole chassis restoration/upgrade/full build/ make the car I like brand new again.

Never once had the thought to go drifting aside from sliding it in the snow once in a while. I'll leave that for the drift hipsters all over youtube and shit.

Here's a potato for the long post

VertPiper · 04-08-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Felipe

94s are rare as fuck

Production numbers In the United States

All models (including convertibles):
1989 - 68118
1990 - 60582
1991 - 34534
1992 - 27033
1993 - 21471
1994 - 1391
1995 - 25114
1996 - 7334
1997 - 3655
1998 - 2178

94s were only verts, thats why so few were made. No coupes or Hatches.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 04-08-2013, 12:23 PM

2003...drifting went mainstream in the states.

350z prices may be dropping but S-chassis will still be the chassis to go to due to parts availability and parts pricing. 350z parts cost double what it cost for S-chassis. Thats why folks who go from S-chassis to Z33s almost always comes back to another S-chassis.

1slicktwo4oh · 04-08-2013, 01:14 PM

My dad is the original owner of my 240 he bought new from downtown l.a nissan. He told me he paid around $25k for it. He picked the 240sx because it was the car of the year in 1989 or 90. He actually wanted a Z but decided on the lower priced 240. I think it worked out for the best I love my 240 and I've been making modifications since he gave it to me in 02'. I used to be into domestics but the high gas prices & low gas mileage swayed me over to turboed 4's. I don't get the facination w/ American v8's in jap cars. When I had my iroc and trans am I always got ricer telling me I had a led sled, slow domestic, 4cyl. turbo is better than v8, engine revving at lights, dumb kids wanting to race..yadayada. if I get a LS its going in a American car where it belongs. There is no replacement for displacement. .real talk!

ILoveJDM · 04-08-2013, 01:29 PM

i bought my first 240sx in 2003, and I became a "weird" one for having a car out of the norm.

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Felipe Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: No pues wow Posts: 2,959 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	94s are rare as fuck Production numbers In the United States All models (including convertibles): 1989 - 68118 1990 - 60582 1991 - 34534 1992 - 27033 1993 - 21471 1994 - 1391 1995 - 25114 1996 - 7334 1997 - 3655 1998 - 2178 __________________ Late Night Crew #1

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fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	2003...drifting went mainstream in the states. 350z prices may be dropping but S-chassis will still be the chassis to go to due to parts availability and parts pricing. 350z parts cost double what it cost for S-chassis. Thats why folks who go from S-chassis to Z33s almost always comes back to another S-chassis. __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

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OrangeVirus1 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: PyongYang DPRK-N. Korea, Province 2 Posts: 1,236 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Car's nowaday's are priced high, valued low.. and fall apart quick. My mazda Brand spanking new with 1 mile was like 23k$.. literally 12 months later it's worth 12k in perfect condition. all the plastic on it is starting to fall apart and it's barely got 30k miles. Car's aren't made now like they were used to.. it's just Plastic, cheap, and quick. Just last long enough to outlive the warranty. which sucks. Like turbo cars nowadays, most are already near the limit before blowing the engine because Car manufactures cheap out on parts. Take the Hyundai Genesis 2.0T as example, I've seen one blow up BONE stock just from boosting to redline. while a Turbo car 20 years ago, would go to redline on a turbo 3x bigger and love it. Drop forged rods > powder / cast rods. Another perfect example, Mazdaspeed3's. Mazda MAJORLY cheaped out on the turbo.. a Wimpy ass K04 that can barely flow enough air for a 1.6L engine.. The cars rolled out the door with Shitty turbo's that Blew smoke within a few 100 miles and blew engines. the FR-S. My friend bought one brand new. We had a rainy day and his WHOLE tail light, both of them, were FULL of rain water. including his headlight. not a mist, not a fog, it was a damn aquarium inside.

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DialedLife Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Portland OR Posts: 150 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I like the looks of the 350. Not so much of the 370. Any word about whats coming new for the 370 or after the 370?

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OrangeVirus1 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: PyongYang DPRK-N. Korea, Province 2 Posts: 1,236 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	1995 Eclipse GSX. Best handling car I've owned by far. AWD, light, double wishbone suspension..

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collegekid Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: In my house Age: 29 Posts: 755 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I have always loved cars my whole life. I came out of my moms vagina with a hot wheels in my hand. I didn't really do anything more than just play racing games until around 16 when I got my license. I knew that front wheel drive was bad for any real kind of racing so I knew to get Rear wheel drive. I always thought the 300zx was sexy, any Z car really. I knew I wasn't going to mess with my moms 2006 Honda accord sedan with the automatic 4 cylinder in there. Time came around to get my first cars and most of the Z's were falling apart and priced very high. I started googling "what to expect when owning a 300zx" and related things, came across things now known as forums and heard that the 240sx was an alternative that would serve me well. I was just looking for something cheap, rwd, somewhat reliable, and a 2 door. Ended up finding a 96 with 180k and autotragic trans. Spent the next year finding out about all of the extreme modifications and engine swaps while looking for how to convert from auto to manual. Then crashed it by misjudging a turn while trying to do some time attack runs on some back roads. Spent the next year working my ass off to pay for repairs and started on the whole chassis restoration/upgrade/full build/ make the car I like brand new again. Never once had the thought to go drifting aside from sliding it in the snow once in a while. I'll leave that for the drift hipsters all over youtube and shit. Here's a potato for the long post

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1slicktwo4oh Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: los angeles Age: 37 Posts: 949 Trader Rating: (45) Feedback Score: 45 reviews	My dad is the original owner of my 240 he bought new from downtown l.a nissan. He told me he paid around $25k for it. He picked the 240sx because it was the car of the year in 1989 or 90. He actually wanted a Z but decided on the lower priced 240. I think it worked out for the best I love my 240 and I've been making modifications since he gave it to me in 02'. I used to be into domestics but the high gas prices & low gas mileage swayed me over to turboed 4's. I don't get the facination w/ American v8's in jap cars. When I had my iroc and trans am I always got ricer telling me I had a led sled, slow domestic, 4cyl. turbo is better than v8, engine revving at lights, dumb kids wanting to race..yadayada. if I get a LS its going in a American car where it belongs. There is no replacement for displacement. .real talk!