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Old 12-19-2013, 09:00 PM   #1
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Anybody making a wisefab Replica kit yet???

I want to know if any shop has done or is doing this. I want one !!!

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Old 12-19-2013, 09:57 PM   #2
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$2000.00 price tag is high. For what its worth of metal including the stainless spherical rod ends. Figuring 6hrs labor in building them $6-800. Now that theyve done all the R&D, All that needs to be done is is replication of geometry. I figure a kit with the same specs for $1000- 1200 is more affordable. Maybe I need to orchestrate the production of these.

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$2000.00 price tag is high. For what its worth of metal including the stainless spherical rod ends. Figuring 6hrs labor in building them $6-800. Now that theyve done all the R&D, All that needs to be done is is replication of geometry. I figure a kit with the same specs for $1000- 1200 is more affordable. Maybe I need to orchestrate the production of these.
Just fuckin wow.

For someone who assumes and figures so much, what sort of fab work have you done or work have you ever done on your car?

You find any shop that is gonna make you a one off for 1000 bucks and I'll send ALL of my CNC and fab work there. Heck I know from my end of things that it would easily take 2 days for setup and measure, let alone cutting, welding, cleaning, powdercoating, etc etc. And that's assuming you have the time for it all. Unsure where you're from, but we're 85-100 an hour depending on the type of work, and I can assure you that 2000 is a steal for something like that, one off.
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This. When was the last time you saw the actual parts cost for a real race car? Let me guess, never. You are paying for their R&D, their testing and development, the programs they use to calculate stress points and to generate a working suspension model. It is a critical suspension part here, if you really want to run cheap shit on a car you probably daily think about not only yourself but the peoples life around you that you jeopardize due to cheap parts. Don't drive near me please.
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Wow you are like the opposite of GarageMakS14, like maybe his mortal enemy.

Also trying to strengthen your viewpoint with replica wheels is not going to help you at all, only dig your grave faster.
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And 65 degrees of flawless smooth max grip steering is the end result. If you want it blue, and have a fancy WF stamp, pay it. If the same results can be had for less. Why waste money? ID RATHER HAVE MORE TIRES TO BURN!!!!

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you really don't need them to drift. just go out and get seat time.
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R&D is what sets the price tag and they manufacture everything they can in house to keep quality where it's at. There are replica kits around but they break.
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Function is my point. For those of us who care about function>form.
Keep digging, your almost 6ft under just a little more, would you mind back filling once you are all the way in? If you think Varrstoen, Brota, etc. are function over form you are mistaken.
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Youre Taking this out of context man.

For a drift Car, A Rays Volk TE37 Doesnt do anything Different Than A Varrstoen ES 2.2.1. They both hold A Tire To the vehicle.
Thank you for continuing to prove my point.
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angle kits are necessary. For many reasons. 5,000 hours of seat time in a bone stock 240 will never teach you what 2 hours in a built car can. Scrubbing and spinning or low angle drifting is whack either way, and thats all that is possible on stock geometry.

You are an idiot. I've seen gangster ass backwards 4th gear entries on stock knuckles. Tire choice and alignment plays a big part too. Not to mention skill, but I wouldn't expect you to know anything about that...


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Forged, better material and about 5-8lbs lighter per wheel??

Each lb of rotating mass equates to roughly 20lbs of dead weight.............Again, you are PAYING for development, tooling, etc, NOT JUST MATERIALS AND LABOR!

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Lol when did I say anything about "pro level"? I'm talking street car son. And a reverse entry on stock knuckles is all about NOT having grip on the front end so that it goes into a 4 wheel slide after you pass 90 while retaining rear traction so the front end comes back around.


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And 65 degrees of flawless smooth max grip steering is the end result. If you want it blue, and have a fancy WF stamp, pay it. If the same results can be had for less. Why waste money? ID RATHER HAVE MORE TIRES TO BURN!!!!

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You do realize that Wisefab has a 3D model generator they use to make accurate parts and an actual engineer that designs their kits right? Tools, R&D, and education cost money, a lot of money, and they deserve the money in return for their effort in developing a kit.

Saying "I'd rather have more tires" is a cheap cop-out excuse for ripping off someone's hard work and selling it at half of the price because you didn't have any development costs.

Now if you wanted to develop your own kit from scratch, more power to you, but if you want to knock off legit manufacturer's parts, please go buy a Camaro and leave the S-chassis alone.

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Riiiiiight........ Cuz thats what driftings all about. Uncontollably throwing Your Daily Driver Stock 240 into a reverse entry drift @ 90mph + & hoping your front end gets traction after your rear does...

Sounds Genius.... All Hail The Omniscient DRIFTGOD "TheRealSy90" for his knowledge is the Gospel.

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Aaaaanddd this post just proves what an ignorant mindset you have.
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Next, this guy will ask who can sell him some knock of NT05s or other tires..

"But its the same design as the NT05 just made by Sunny... i'll use my knock off tires until the day I die bro!"
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Before you made those two statements I was reserving judgement, but I can see now that you're a clown. Please leave Zilvia or amend your attitude.

There are other kits with the same/similar geometry, but they also cost a lot of money. If you want zero ackerman for cheap, here you go:

These guys are practically begging for customers.

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Before you made those two statements I was reserving judgement, but I can see now that you're a clown. Please leave Zilvia or amend your attitude.

There are other kits with the same/similar geometry, but they also cost a lot of money. If you want zero ackerman for cheap, here you go:

These guys are practically begging for customers.

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Everyone is shitting on my Genuine Original Question. Im irritated with people posting theyre Irrelevant Comments. Im not an asshole or Intending to Offend Anyone. I dont see why all you Zilvians Have Such Shitty things to say Constantly. CHECK MY POSTS. I crack jokes, and help people thru problems if I have any experience, And mainly read useful info I search for. But I stand Firm Against All Internet Tough Guys, Shit Talkers, Idiots, & whiners.

I asked a simple Question. I was asked reasoning. I explained and then All these People with theyre Attacks And BS Comments start pouring In.

Thanks Poormans180sx. You are the only one who said anything relevant to my Original Question. I appreciate it. Anyone Else. Thanks for your Input, it served no purpose other than causing people frustration and now a Huge Misread of my character due to Clowns shitting on my thread and my short temper for ignorant people.

I really care less about peoples .02 on this website. I love drifting. Forget everyones Opinion.



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You are the only one frustrated, and your post was pretty much asking who wants to help you rip off another company, or help you dig up one that is already doing so. Not a single one of us has misread your character. We read it exactly as YOU presented it, not us. So far I have only seen BS comments from you.
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