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Mazworx_Sales · 10-07-2009, 12:55 PM

Back a few months ago, we did a VVL head swap on a RWD DET block. Here are the run down of the specs. Notice on the graph how it keep wanting to make more power on the band.

Stock SR20VE head
Stock SR20DET block
GT3076R - 18-19psi
RC 1000cc injectors
ROM Tune
Mazworx VE Intake Manifold
Z32 MAF

Team DET · 10-07-2009, 01:01 PM

sick... what does it redline at with that head

S14_Kouki · 10-07-2009, 01:07 PM

They go to like 8500^^^ This is nice vvl stock cams are like 280's when the vvt kicks whatever that vv something is. Is it stock bottom end??

Fam0uZ · 10-07-2009, 01:08 PM

it looks like 8.5

Mazworx_Sales · 10-07-2009, 01:29 PM

Yes completely stock bottom end

S14_Kouki · 10-07-2009, 01:35 PM

Did you also use a stock TB???

jr_ss · 10-07-2009, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

Did you also use a stock TB???

From the pictures, it looks like it's a larger than 70mm TB.

Sileighty_85 · 10-07-2009, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

Did you also use a stock TB???

Looks like a Q45 TB

SuperiorS14 · 10-07-2009, 05:43 PM

wow great numbers..... whats the cost on this type of setup?

S14_Kouki · 10-07-2009, 05:44 PM

Thats why I was asking cause it does look bigger

mct3351 · 10-07-2009, 06:41 PM

Is the green before the vvl swap and the red after?

Were they both done at similiar boost settings?

If green was the before, what cams were used?

thx

ILoveJDM · 10-07-2009, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mct3351

Is the green before the vvl swap and the red after?

Were they both done at similiar boost settings?

If green was the before, what cams were used?

thx

from his other thread here
http://zilvia.net/f/s-chassis/249687...t-project.html

the green line would be the before run

it doesnt mention aftermarket cams either

mattro · 10-07-2009, 07:51 PM

what the hell? i wish i had a det block and not a de.

that is stupid power.

eh? · 10-07-2009, 08:31 PM

Nice!
But you guys still suck for ignoring the RB series

THeokaYsLider · 10-07-2009, 11:05 PM

did not know you can swap the heads like that. know the only question for me why do the injectors have to be so big also does the same ecu and wiring stay the same for the swap to be good
thanks

S14_Kouki · 10-08-2009, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILoveJDM

from his other thread here
http://zilvia.net/f/s-chassis/249687...t-project.html

the green line would be the before run

it doesnt mention aftermarket cams either

It prob has stock cams seeing how the vvl heads come stock with a 280 cam's I dont think you need any bigger then that.

Heres the link http://www.tomei-p.co.jp/_2003web-ca...aft-specs.html

PoorMans180SX · 10-08-2009, 12:46 PM

Will you please expound on what it takes to swap a VE head on a RWD block?

I know the VVL solenoids need to be relocated and the distributor cap plugged, but what else?

sh1tsweak · 10-08-2009, 01:53 PM

need a ve oil pump and perform some trickery on the crank pully to make some clearance on the back of it!

s13silvia123 · 10-08-2009, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

Will you please expound on what it takes to swap a VE head on a RWD block?

I know the VVL solenoids need to be relocated and the distributor cap plugged, but what else?

i'm with him i need to know more

PoorMans180SX · 10-09-2009, 06:53 AM

So, here's what I've got so far:

1. Custom intake manifold
2. Custom exhaust manifold
3. 20V CAS to go where dizzy went
4. Relocate solenoids
5. Head gasket
6. VE oil pump
7. Machine 5mm off the crank pulley

Anything else?

Mazworx_Sales · 10-20-2009, 07:45 AM

We have a full kit available for the swap over minus the head but if you need help finding a head let us know.

This was also done on a stock ecu with Nistune.

S13 curtis · 10-20-2009, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazworx_Sales

We have a full kit available for the swap over minus the head but if you need help finding a head let us know.

This was also done on a stock ecu with Nistune.

how much do you charge for a head swap? if you want pm me the price i am local.

shagspeed · 10-20-2009, 11:47 PM

Nice Numbers!!!!

I too have built a 1N5/52F
--------------------
Nicely Ported Head
Full Forged bottom end 9.0:1CR
stock cams
GT35R .78A/R on a Twin Scroll T3 flange with the
Full Race manifold made for the VE
Turbonetics WG45mm flap gate
Haltech Platinum ECU "need to still get"
--------------------
Now have you guys messed with any other cams???? I was thinking the 48deg of overlap is too much and as the low cam is at 0deg to try to remove overlap will create a pumping loss on low cam.. So that's out of the question!

Though again I have seen a dyno chart of a guy running the 2.0 with the SR16 cams @ 70deg overlap on a ported head making 501WHP @ 14PSI ..

So I guess conventional wisdom on turbo and massive overlap might be wrong!!

Was hoping you guys could share any experiences you might have had with cam profiles..

Here is an older pic of kinda what I am running... Did change from GTK to GT35R

bardabe · 10-20-2009, 11:52 PM

SHAGSPEED! ^^^ lol Shhhhhhhh that's supposed to stay a cock tease till we got it tot he Dyno.

shagspeed · 10-21-2009, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

So, here's what I've got so far:

1. Custom intake manifold
2. Custom exhaust manifold
3. 20V CAS to go where dizzy went
4. Relocate solenoids
5. Head gasket
6. VE oil pump
7. Machine 5mm off the crank pulley

Anything else?

#4 you can use 20V Solenoid as well.. Though Mazworx plate is a lot more cost effective . Plus they do awesome work and are a great resource of custom parts "present and future" so please support them when and where you can..

#6 make sure you get VE N1 Pump

#7 I found another way. Not needed really..

shagspeed · 10-21-2009, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bardabe

SHAGSPEED! ^^^ lol Shhhhhhhh that's supposed to stay a cock tease till we got it tot he Dyno.

Hahahaha tooo funny.. If my wife will ever let me spend some cash to finish it. You see the Spredsheet of parts to order??? Add the relays you want to it.. I am down to about 3200 bucks left to finish up the car... Not bad..

Dude if I made 500WHP on a 54C SR20DET back in 1999-2000 with old school technology .. This VET will T-BAG your RB engines...hahaha .. You know I have to give you shit about the RB engine. Can't make a turn without snow plowing everything in its way

At least consider a VK or VH motor at least its got 2 more cylinders and its lighter... I want to make a Flat-Plan Crank and Cams form the VK or VH then we can run S13 computers on the V8's and turn them to 8K.. Why??? Cuz it sounds cool... Anyone know what the rod lengths are on the VH45????

bardabe · 10-21-2009, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shagspeed

Hahahaha tooo funny.. If my wife will ever let me spend some cash to finish it. You see the Spredsheet of parts to order??? Add the relays you want to it.. I am down to about 3200 bucks left to finish up the car... Not bad..

Dude if I made 500WHP on a 54C SR20DET back in 1999-2000 with old school technology .. This VET will T-BAG your RB engines...hahaha .. You know I have to give you shit about the RB engine. Can't make a turn without snow plowing everything in its way

At least consider a VK or VH motor at least its got 2 more cylinders and its lighter... I want to make a Flat-Plan Crank and Cams form the VK or VH then we can run S13 computers on the V8's and turn them to 8K.. Why??? Cuz it sounds cool... Anyone know what the rod lengths are on the VH45????

lol asshole, why you gotta make fun of my fat cars, my Z was a fuckin Pig and it handled corners like a champ. RB;s are lovely you just gotta put some weight in the back of the car to even it out.

i swear if you talk me into VVL SR20 and it blows up im going to be FUCKIN pissed,

s13silvia123 · 10-21-2009, 01:52 AM

I'm i able to use my s13 SR engine harness. also am i able to use my PFC for this as well.

bardabe · 10-21-2009, 03:17 AM

you should, you will need something to control the VVL Solenoid, a greddy Multy switcher works great. or anything else that you can think that will activate the solenoid and deactivate it.

-Juan

nsany(atl) · 10-21-2009, 04:03 AM

what if I already have a power fc, can the swap still work?

10-07-2009, 12:55 PM	#1
Mazworx_Sales Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 825 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	VVL/DET makes 491whp! Back a few months ago, we did a VVL head swap on a RWD DET block. Here are the run down of the specs. Notice on the graph how it keep wanting to make more power on the band. Stock SR20VE head Stock SR20DET block GT3076R - 18-19psi RC 1000cc injectors ROM Tune Mazworx VE Intake Manifold Z32 MAF __________________ www.mazworx.com [email protected] Nissan S-Chassis and SR20 Specialists! Your #1 source for all engine/machine work. M-F 9-6pm EST Tel: 407-281-1223 Pro Modified S15 Best ET 7.36 Best MPH 184.00 Sport RWD S14 9.07 @ 155

10-07-2009, 01:01 PM	#2
Team DET Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Bernardino Posts: 770 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	sick... what does it redline at with that head __________________ (OΞO/- -\OΞO)

10-07-2009, 01:07 PM	#3
S14_Kouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TPA Posts: 1,947 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	They go to like 8500^^^ This is nice vvl stock cams are like 280's when the vvt kicks whatever that vv something is. Is it stock bottom end?? __________________ http://www.fabthis.com http://www.childhoodproductions.com/dbfab/store.html

10-07-2009, 01:29 PM	#5
Mazworx_Sales Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 825 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Yes completely stock bottom end __________________ www.mazworx.com [email protected] Nissan S-Chassis and SR20 Specialists! Your #1 source for all engine/machine work. M-F 9-6pm EST Tel: 407-281-1223 Pro Modified S15 Best ET 7.36 Best MPH 184.00 Sport RWD S14 9.07 @ 155

10-07-2009, 05:44 PM	#10
S14_Kouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TPA Posts: 1,947 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Thats why I was asking cause it does look bigger __________________ http://www.fabthis.com http://www.childhoodproductions.com/dbfab/store.html

10-07-2009, 01:08 PM	#4
Fam0uZ Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Miami Age: 33 Posts: 129 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	it looks like 8.5

10-07-2009, 01:35 PM	#6
S14_Kouki Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: TPA Posts: 1,947 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Did you also use a stock TB??? __________________ http://www.fabthis.com http://www.childhoodproductions.com/dbfab/store.html

10-07-2009, 05:43 PM	#9
SuperiorS14 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: S.G.V. Age: 36 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	wow great numbers..... whats the cost on this type of setup?

10-07-2009, 06:41 PM	#11
mct3351 Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 117 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Is the green before the vvl swap and the red after? Were they both done at similiar boost settings? If green was the before, what cams were used? thx __________________

10-07-2009, 07:51 PM	#13
mattro Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: henrietta, ny Age: 32 Posts: 478 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	what the hell? i wish i had a det block and not a de. that is stupid power. __________________ grip like roots, float like leaves. wtb s13 sus.

10-07-2009, 08:31 PM	#14
eh? Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 40 Posts: 283 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Nice! But you guys still suck for ignoring the RB series

10-07-2009, 11:05 PM	#15
THeokaYsLider Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: south gate Posts: 395 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	did not know you can swap the heads like that. know the only question for me why do the injectors have to be so big also does the same ecu and wiring stay the same for the swap to be good thanks

10-08-2009, 12:46 PM	#17
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Will you please expound on what it takes to swap a VE head on a RWD block? I know the VVL solenoids need to be relocated and the distributor cap plugged, but what else? __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

10-08-2009, 01:53 PM	#18
sh1tsweak Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: nj Age: 33 Posts: 39 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	need a ve oil pump and perform some trickery on the crank pully to make some clearance on the back of it!

10-09-2009, 06:53 AM	#20
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	So, here's what I've got so far: 1. Custom intake manifold 2. Custom exhaust manifold 3. 20V CAS to go where dizzy went 4. Relocate solenoids 5. Head gasket 6. VE oil pump 7. Machine 5mm off the crank pulley Anything else? __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

10-20-2009, 07:45 AM	#21
Mazworx_Sales Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 825 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	We have a full kit available for the swap over minus the head but if you need help finding a head let us know. This was also done on a stock ecu with Nistune. __________________ www.mazworx.com [email protected]worx.com Nissan S-Chassis and SR20 Specialists! Your #1 source for all engine/machine work. M-F 9-6pm EST Tel: 407-281-1223 Pro Modified S15 Best ET 7.36 Best MPH 184.00 Sport RWD S14 9.07 @ 155

10-20-2009, 11:47 PM	#23
shagspeed Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Inland Empire,CA Age: 43 Posts: 64 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Nice Numbers!!!! I too have built a 1N5/52F -------------------- Nicely Ported Head Full Forged bottom end 9.0:1CR stock cams GT35R .78A/R on a Twin Scroll T3 flange with the Full Race manifold made for the VE Turbonetics WG45mm flap gate Haltech Platinum ECU "need to still get" -------------------- Now have you guys messed with any other cams???? I was thinking the 48deg of overlap is too much and as the low cam is at 0deg to try to remove overlap will create a pumping loss on low cam.. So that's out of the question! Though again I have seen a dyno chart of a guy running the 2.0 with the SR16 cams @ 70deg overlap on a ported head making 501WHP @ 14PSI .. So I guess conventional wisdom on turbo and massive overlap might be wrong!! Was hoping you guys could share any experiences you might have had with cam profiles.. Here is an older pic of kinda what I am running... Did change from GTK to GT35R

10-20-2009, 11:52 PM	#24
bardabe Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: SoCal Age: 31 Posts: 4,716 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: bardabe Feedback Score: 10 reviews	SHAGSPEED! ^^^ lol Shhhhhhhh that's supposed to stay a cock tease till we got it tot he Dyno. __________________ Review Thread

10-21-2009, 01:52 AM	#28
s13silvia123 Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: where waldo is Age: 39 Posts: 3,256 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	I'm i able to use my s13 SR engine harness. also am i able to use my PFC for this as well. __________________ 18g and 20g turbo users click on me http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/261219-18g-20g-turbo-users.html

10-21-2009, 03:17 AM	#29
bardabe Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: SoCal Age: 31 Posts: 4,716 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: bardabe Feedback Score: 10 reviews	you should, you will need something to control the VVL Solenoid, a greddy Multy switcher works great. or anything else that you can think that will activate the solenoid and deactivate it. -Juan __________________ Review Thread

10-21-2009, 04:03 AM	#30
nsany(atl) Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Smyrna,GA Posts: 346 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	what if I already have a power fc, can the swap still work? __________________ '92 C-West Sil/80 SR *SOLD* '95 Track car

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