lawrenceyang

sometimes i sit back and wonder how all of this is possible and how amazing it is to be alive and living in this world and it's kinda hard to not believe in something greater than yourself but even still im still pretty much agnostic/leaning towards atheism. i dont believe in an afterlife, i believe that when we die we're dust, but i do believe living a just life and all that jazz in the bible is important, not for something like a ticket to heaven but just because it's the right thing to do

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irax

Austriges(fuck my spelling today) don't fly there for its not a bird?
And baby birds or chicks don't have feathers so are they not birds?
Avians don't need to fly, they need the bone structure, the beak or bill, webbed feet, and lay eggs.
Name a bird that doesn't lay an egg

Actually my analogy is on point, you being told incorrectly doesn't take away the possibility of my car (or god) being there. Because my argument is that god exists outside the confinements of religion. And just because a religion is wrong doesn't mean that God (or the idea of) doesn't exist.

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BustedS13

denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.

religion is a sweet crutch when you don't want to think about how you're going to stop existing in a minute.

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lflkajfj12123

You so silly thread.

You too I luv my s13.

aznpoopy

oh but atheists have such a mature and deep acceptance of the temporariness of human existence? LOL

both religious and nonreligious people function because death is such an alien concept they don't have to think about it. then they have a midlife crisis and suddenly fundies lose faith or atheists find god. fgts

lflkajfj12123

Atheists don't believe in fairy tales. We spend our time finding logic and reason for how to create a morally beautiful world that gives our existence meaning. Not endless prayer to supernatural forces that may or may not exist.

Death is not of human experience and one should not let one's conscience involve itself with it too much because death does not belong to your essence.

Y'all should read the Trial of Socrates.

kingkilburn

You completely missed the point. Of course those are all birds. That is the point. Also most birds don't have webbed feet. That tends to be a feature of animals that live in/near water/sand/mud.

If you payed attention in bio class you would know that there are different families within each animal kingdom. Egg laying mammals are just a very old branch of the family tree. Then you get marsupials and after that placental mammals.

You get a similar division in fish. There are live bearers(the larval form never inside an egg), egg layers, and a hybrid of the two where the eggs are held until the point of hatching and then released shortly there after(sea horses).


You forgot the part where you are the voice of God and therefor infallible. The penalty for me correcting you about said car is worse than knowingly not believing you in the first place. There is also the penalty for having never known about the car in the first place.



Gods exist only in the confines of religion and without believers there are no gods. I could come in here telling every one about Marduk the defender smiting my enemies or Mercury saving me while driving and you guys would call me crazy(and rightly so). But why is that?

The only real reason is because no one believes in those gods any more.

Personally I am over God the same way the Romans got over Jupiter.

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theicecreamdan

How about a Dolphin with legs? And all of them already have wings.


But the beaked whale doesn't have anything to do with whales having beaks, legs or wings. I was only pointing out that there is a good probability of the existence of large animals in the sea that we have not been able to describe yet.

I don't see how we are misunderstanding what a mammal is? Or how man's lack of being able to explicitly describe the world/universe has any bearing on whether God exists or not.

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lflkajfj12123

The argument of intelligent design creationism for the existence of god does not require religion. Nor does the first cause argument.

So how does god only exist in the confines of religion?

kingkilburn

The two go together.
Deity is to Religion as Idol is to Idolatry.

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BustedS13

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DeathMetal

I did the opposite. High school is when I became curious of this God fellow. A new family had moved into town and were taking over as pastors of a local church. It was a home for a while. I was the drummer for their youth band, I helped them with most anything they needed, and otherwise, just spent a bit of growing in a church to see what it was like.

I can be perfectly comfortable challenging the idea but living the lifestyle. I don't see why more people don't think freely of subjects like this. Nothing is plain text and nothing is unidimensional.

Boy, I tell ya, they had a tough time answering some of the questions that bubbled in my mind here and there.

Edit: I was once talking to someone who inspires me a lot. We were discussing the rules of religion. He said this "positive reanforcement for the followers of fad based self importance". It definitely struck a cord in me. I was discussing the role of the hierarchy in a church, even the small one I was in was like this. It's something about mixing popularity with spirituality that allows people to be self-righteous, self-loving, and self-congratulatory. In the real world, we'd just call this selfish, self-centered, and self-absorbed but yet, it's reinforced as positive behavior.

Seems to me like just another life-lesson kind of thing. The whole, "you can't love someone until you can learn to love yourself". What I question is, is this just the mind of a cynic dismissing this is "selfish" or is there something more going on that should be observed, is this what true religion is about; self love and self caring, or is this just real life mixed with spirituality?

kingkilburn

That is the second largest thing that turns me away from Christianity.

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BustedS13

get off your high horse there, jackass.

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lflkajfj12123

Religion is like a sociological term. Believing that there is a creator of our existence doesn't mean you are religious. Maybe I misunderstood you but iuonnoooooo.

kingkilburn

The spiritual belief in a creator deity is pretty exclusive to religion.

Generally what people refer to spirituality is closer to shamanism. It breeds a respect for people and the world around you(mostly nature).

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revat619

I'm a jackass for calling out immaturity? OK, i can live with that...

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kingkilburn

Did you not read the first post?

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Mikey213

What's funny is (i'm not sure if any of you know this) but a lot of the religious text are basically the ancient Egyptian (not even sure if it's Egyptian could be older since other civilizations have the same book) "book of the dead" just reworded and edited a shit load. But the amazing part is that the book is basically all metaphorically about astrophysics.

kingkilburn

I find that hard to believe. People lost access to that text for thousands of years. I find it more likely that most religions are trying to answer the same set of questions with the same limited human awareness.

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aznpoopy

how the fuck does anyone open with this:

and then close with this?

wtf is this bullshit?
"morally beautiful world?"
"meaningful existence?"
"death does not belong to your essence"

you traded an old world fairy tale for some new age fairy tale anyone could come up with on a 5 minute acid trip.

BustedS13

read the first post when you're done high horsing around
high horsing all through this thread

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Mikey213

What are you talking about? anybody can go see the "book of the dead" It's at the Louvre! Plus it's hieroglyphed' on one of the monuments in Egypt! like I said, it's not even all entirely a religious book but more like a science text book coded in metaphors. The Tibetan "book of the dead" is the same thing in a more spiritual connotation and you can find this almost anywhere! Why are you even talking out of your ass?! ahahaha

Matej

Instead of letting greedy church bros telling all the religious folk what to do, we should just have a board of properly selected good intelligent people update the Bible up to modern day spec for them.
It has been rewritten so many times and shaped by the church for its private gain, I do not see why it cannot be updated again. It is about time anyway. The Bible has not been updated in a while now, and many recent discoveries are making some religious beliefs contradict themselves so bad that the religion industry is just making itself look foolish trying to invent religious explanations for them. Pretty sure it would be in every religious person's best interest to have their religion updated to work better with today's world.
Like, put math equations and science and abortion in it, and a free full spread poster of the universe for the first 1000000 buyers.
That way, 21st century bros will not constantly be pulled into arguments with people stuck in dark age beliefs, and the religious folk can still be happy being told what to do and believe, without interfering with the evolution of humans.

ronmcdon

If it's has to be updated, it probably goes to show there were innaccuracies to begin with.
It's credibility would go down the shitter either way.

Casanova0ne

Do some dmt. Thank me later

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me..
i grew up a catholic my whole life, went through the communion and confirmation..my mom was kinda bummed when i told her im agnostic, dad was coo about it...my grandparents dont know they're hardcore haha..beat me with a cane


dont be mad cuz im right....oh and see you in a month ignorant one

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kingkilburn

When the Greek took over Egypt (4000 years ago) the Egyptian language died. Up until the 1800's no could read it. You tell me how any modern religion can be based on a text that was incomprehensible at the time.

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ranger240

I AM GOD, ERGO GOD EXISTS


you all should pay tribute to me with new and used 240sx-compatable parts. it'll pay off next time i decide to flood yo hood noahs arc style

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