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Sforteen · 02-15-2014, 11:11 AM

Any upcoming sport evolves, some people dont like it, thats how it is and always will be, competition never slows down someone will always be trying to beat out the next guy, this is how and why this sport and the aftermarket following it develops and manufactors better/more parts.

Ive always enjoyed watching drifting, Its not a sport for my perfectly clean chassis. However, i respect the sport i enjoyed the time of this era in drifting..Im glad i was able to watch this RB powered monster in person at Irwindale in 06

RIP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaLRaoZZDiw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ACB3dOOEc

1 88 U · 02-18-2014, 06:51 AM

Also outside clipping zones kills proximity in Formula D. They need to let the drivers pick the best line for their vehicle and you'll start to see D1 close tandem battles and exciting fights for the apex.

aasorah · 03-30-2014, 09:28 PM

I am going to miss the turbo vs v8. The garrett gearheads deal. I do think with the turbo v8's popping up it is going to be difficult for some people to compete. I understand there is no replacement for displacement. but part of the reason I go is to hear the turbo's to hear the cars screaming. the exhaust the sounds, it is all so amazing. If any of you guys bitching have never been to a real live formula d event you have no room to talk. There is nothing like it. In my opinion road Atlanta is the best experience I have ever had. I look forward to it every single year. It is an amazing experience. I love seeing the teams develp every year and I love the style of the cars. They all have amazing liveries. Fully individual not a mainstream color with sponsor logo's. (except falken... boooo!) I love seeing people like ryan tuerck, nate hamilton, matt powers(gonna be missed) Matt Fields, Corey Hosford, and so on. If you go to an event you will see that the drivers are fan based. Its not private security chllin in their big rig. It is drivers running around the paddock chilling with guys signing autographs and creating a good time for the fans. I love drifting and personally compete, so getting to meet a driver is awesome. Seeing the skill and the engineering I love it. As for hp... Only thing I could see is maybe restricting displacement/ aspiration. Such as anything over a 5l cannot be boosted. We will see how this season goes with all the turbo v8's.

xilovelsdx · 04-01-2014, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Matej

Not that I really care about Formula D. I do not think FD itself cares about being a legitimate motorsport. It is just a circus for bros to go take Instagram pictures, and as soon as Red Bull and Monster find a more trendy venture to invest in, it will die.

This. You know its not a legitimate motorsport when the creator themselves refer to everything as "the show".

Russ · 04-01-2014, 10:43 PM

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Silverbullet · 04-02-2014, 12:58 PM

For the fans, it is a show. Look at NASCAR. It is a show. Majority of NASCAR fans aren't even car people. They just like going to the track, getting wasted, and watch loud and fast cars drive for a few hours. It is entertainment.

OBEEWON · 04-02-2014, 01:18 PM

What is a Formula D?

Driftwire · 04-02-2014, 01:19 PM

I think they should just run a dif series for amatuer drivers to have a stepping stone to cater to the "grassroots" fans and then they please both ends. But I think the tracks should also add technicality like previously stated that way your 1000hp build doesnt get used properly in those areas. Itll force the teams to tone down on the power and focus on a equal balance of power to cater to both aspects of drifting.

*DJPimpFlex* · 04-02-2014, 01:25 PM

Okinawandrifter87 · 04-02-2014, 01:57 PM

Lol!!!!! ^^

OBEEWON · 04-02-2014, 02:18 PM

Haha. FD can get fully bent.

xilovelsdx · 04-16-2014, 05:12 PM

Idk why yall are hatin. Long beach looked fine to me.

*DJPimpFlex* · 04-16-2014, 05:19 PM

I wish this was a joke...

*brndck* · 04-16-2014, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJPimpFlex

I wish this was a joke...

Worst joke ever. I've given up on American professional drifting. I can no longer say I'm a fan of it, with a few exceptions (Forrest, mats, etc).

*DJPimpFlex* · 04-17-2014, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by brndck

Worst joke ever. I've given up on American professional drifting. I can no longer say I'm a fan of it, with a few exceptions (Forrest, mats, etc).

I'm still a huge fan and I like all the monster truck builds but this one is a step to far.

mechanicalmoron · 04-17-2014, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

No.

Try this on.

Tube Frame Chasis.

If any of you know anything then it's that Street Stock racing is one of the cheapest organized wheel-to-wheel series you can get into. It's also the first step into working your way up to be a pro-NASCAR racer. That is where the $$$ is at.

I've often thought it would be awesome if drifting moved to this model. Street stock was built around the 1980's G-body GM Cars. The Monte Carlo, Buick Skylark and Olds Cutlass. About 10 years ago these cars became harder and harder to get for cheap and in good condition, much like drifting and the S13.

Today most guys run custom spec-built chassis. These all have to follow specific measurements and use specified stock parts - like control arms, steering gear ect.
Custom chasis also typically feature bolt on front and rear sections for easy crash repair and full bolt on bodies.

Something like this is $2,500 new -

Body Panels like this aluminum fender are only $95, I priced out a whole body around $700. (front, fenders, doors, roof, rockers, tail, trunk, spoilers).

The end result is this -

A fully legal race car that looks very much like a Monte Carlo, but is easier to work on, lighter, safer and very cheap to keep running.

There is no reason a series could not be created with a similar goal of competitiveness and cost for drifting. Built tube chassis would use stock rear subframes and differentials, stock steering racks and front cross member. The panels would be fiberglass or sheet metal fashioned to look like JDM Silvias and 180SXs. Wheel sizes and tire specs would be mandated.

Engines could be mandated to be Turbo KA, SR, RB20 or CA18, restricted to 300hp, using the stock Nissan 5spd (all 4 use the same trans) and a welded stock rear pumpkin.

Now it's man v man instead of wallet v wallet. Also you could be more gutsy as the cars would be easy to fix for cheap.

That is pretty neat.

And buying the s-chassis equivalent for 2500 bucks would be pretty neat.

LEG1T · 04-17-2014, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheesy Doriftos

seems like this conversation gets brought up like every year.

how about just don't watch it? i don't follw formula d at all anymore. i couldn't even name you the last 5 formula d series champions off the top of my head.

i used to be in the "OMGZ FORMULA D SUXZ!!!" camp but then again i came to terms that drifting has to evolve and formula d is the evolution of drifting. builds are gonna get bigger and badder. that's just how it goes.

all of us hardcore drifting fanboys wish competition drifting could stay 2000-2003 status forever

but let's be honest it's not.

every "motorsport" (i use that term loosely) evolves and drifting is evolving.

i think skateboarding and drifting have a lot of similarities in terms of similar mindset between skaters and drifters. most skaters hate big time corporate skate contest like x-games, dew tour, and more recently street league because they feel that's not what skateboarding really is about, and prefer to watch skate videos of real street skateboarding or smaller skate contest. it's basically the same mentality grassroots drifters have to professional competitive drifting.

the thing is there is a clear divide between fans of corporate skate contest and "underground" skate videos and contest. that's basically the mentally ya'll should have.

let formula d have their ugly 4x4 status 800+ hp V8 240's and ditzy airhead import models who don't give a crap about drifitng while ya'll continue to build slammed 2002 drift tengoku era styled drift cars and make videos of them drifitng in an empty parking dubbed to rap music or post the pictures of your cars on tumblr.

AFSil80 · 04-19-2014, 07:35 PM

I wonder if the redneck hipsters in the 60's rejected NASCAR once it went mainstream and moved way beyond the grassroots movement.

My thing is this...instead of bitching about it, find something else that you're happy to participate in, rather than wasting your time crying about something that you want nothing to do with. In other words, move on and quit worrying about everyone else.

JF_OverBoosted · 05-04-2014, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

I think they need to make a Street Class like D1 did. Car must be street-legal, restrict engine selection to the same manufacturer of the chassis and prohibit tube chassis.

Then institute displacement/horsepower limits based on a skill classification system, like the old JGTC/Super GT series: Have a pro-am class limited to 300hp and a Pro-class limited to 500hp.

I don't have a problem with V8's... as long as they're in the car it's supposed to be in. I don't wanna go to an event and not hear a single turbo spooling or bov chirping.

I mean, look at Drift Muscle... Didn't they impose strict rules to keep all the crazy over the top engine/chassis builds out so that it would become another D1 because it became nearly impossible to break into the sport due to the cost?

lmfao
Many pros / pro-ams decide to go the LS route because it's easy to make power out of it, AND don't forget we're in the US, NOT Japan.
If we broke something on a SR or RB we can't just go to our local parts store to find the part we need... Now unlike an LS swap. Those parts are EVERYWHERE.

Why S13 > Camaro for an LS you say?
Maybe for weight distribution & Power to weight ratio?

ESmorz · 05-04-2014, 10:11 PM

Put your money/energy somewhere else and shut the fuck up.

Skidward · 05-18-2014, 04:56 PM

Yes, it is out of control...but, what a spectacle! I think that a number of the suggestions made might be helpful (different classes or tiers, horsepower and modification limitations). It is my hope that this great sport can be kept fun, vibrant, and growing.

simmode1 · 05-19-2014, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF_OverBoosted

lmfao
Many pros / pro-ams decide to go the LS route because it's easy to make power out of it, AND don't forget we're in the US, NOT Japan.
If we broke something on a SR or RB we can't just go to our local parts store to find the part we need... Now unlike an LS swap. Those parts are EVERYWHERE.

Why S13 > Camaro for an LS you say?
Maybe for weight distribution & Power to weight ratio?

Yes, thank you for me telling stuff I already know. I don't think s-chassis has the advantages you think they do. Look at the top 10 FD drivers of 2013. Anyone relying on the 240+LS combo for superior weight distribution or power to weight ratio? Nope. In fact, the last 2 top tier S-Chassis drivers, Powers & Yoshihara, have either moved to other cars or sat out for this year (probably due to lack of having a competitive car). Lets watch & see how well Forrest Wang does this year.

I'm not bashing 240's. I just think the work & cost involved with building one to compete at that level is likely higher than starting with a LS powered car or similar in the first place. FD history is full of champions winning in cars you would think have inferior weight distortion & power to weight ratio of a s-chassis. Viper, GTO, Mustang, Charger, etc. That's fine if you think you need a v8 to compete. But as a viewer, I don't wanna see small displacement turbo cars die out as the sport moves further away from it's roots. So I stand behind my desire for a class based system to create a category with cars closer to what you'd see on the street, like Drift Muscle or SCCA racing.

As for not being able to find SR or RB parts locally. I don't care. There are turbo cars sold in the US you can have that luxury with. I think working with the engine native to your chassis is the way to push development forward. Hell, look at Essa's E46 M3 and tell me that isn't cool to see the development he put into that S54 turbo. So glad he won the championship without an LS. Must be very inspirational for E46 owners and purists.

spools420a · 05-19-2014, 09:57 AM

lost interest as its more a marketing gimmic and not a sport you can go to and have fun,they need more street car amatuer class that average people could attend.as soon as america got into drifting it turned from fun to making money like a nascar event and lost toomuch appeal and lost all its roots.It evolved in the wrong direction now if it could de evolve and be what it used to be...FUN!

simmode1 · 05-19-2014, 11:06 AM

^^^ Agreed. I have no hope that a street class based system will be established, so I lost interest as well & prefer to focus on amateur level grassroots drifting.

scottie · 05-19-2014, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJPimpFlex

BEST RESPONSE of this entire thread.

FD is what it is. When enough drivers and fans have the same mindset as most in this thread do (about the love of the sport) a new series will arise in popularity.

I agree most of this can simply be solved with vastly different tracks. This is what makes F1 remotely interesting. Half the circuits favor all out speed, the other in cornering/entry/exit speed. So cut the legs out from under the big HP guys by simply making their power useless, and in some cases, overwhelming. As a result you will see different approaches to their chassis/motor combo which could draw purist back to the sport. Teams would have to make some compromise and exercise restraint unlike today.

But lets not "HATE the Player". Formula Drift Judging sucks. It is in their (FD's) benefit to keep the main sponsored drivers in the field right? So if it is close give it to the big names. BUT what is one big component no judge can argue? SPEED. Angle.... sort of. Style.... opinion. Tire Smoke...... sort of. Gap..... hard to differentiate if both cars are within a couple feet both runs. Put a 3 car gap on your component.... pretty easy call. Since teams realize judging (in all forms) is as much political as it is opinionated, they decided outrunning the competition is a solid scheme to a podium. I cant blame them one bit.

*DJPimpFlex* · 06-26-2014, 11:59 AM

Odi gives me hope. Dude's car is amazing.

ditchs14 · 06-27-2014, 02:43 PM

why cant we just have this

chris_240sx · 06-28-2014, 01:01 AM

I'd like to see rolling starts and a larger variation of course layouts (sweeping, tight, small, large, just an array really). I think those are pretty easy to implement and would help with the drag racing feel FD can have.

Nismocoupe13 · 07-12-2014, 04:59 PM

I think rolling starts up to 50mph would be good, kinda how IDC has it. To be honest though, seeing how close that battles were at the Gauntlet, I wish every round was like that.

Matej · 07-12-2014, 09:54 PM

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Sforteen Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: USA Posts: 333 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Any upcoming sport evolves, some people dont like it, thats how it is and always will be, competition never slows down someone will always be trying to beat out the next guy, this is how and why this sport and the aftermarket following it develops and manufactors better/more parts. Ive always enjoyed watching drifting, Its not a sport for my perfectly clean chassis. However, i respect the sport i enjoyed the time of this era in drifting..Im glad i was able to watch this RB powered monster in person at Irwindale in 06 RIP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaLRaoZZDiw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ACB3dOOEc

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1 88 U Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ga Posts: 536 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Also outside clipping zones kills proximity in Formula D. They need to let the drivers pick the best line for their vehicle and you'll start to see D1 close tandem battles and exciting fights for the apex.

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aasorah Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Bristol VA Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I am going to miss the turbo vs v8. The garrett gearheads deal. I do think with the turbo v8's popping up it is going to be difficult for some people to compete. I understand there is no replacement for displacement. but part of the reason I go is to hear the turbo's to hear the cars screaming. the exhaust the sounds, it is all so amazing. If any of you guys bitching have never been to a real live formula d event you have no room to talk. There is nothing like it. In my opinion road Atlanta is the best experience I have ever had. I look forward to it every single year. It is an amazing experience. I love seeing the teams develp every year and I love the style of the cars. They all have amazing liveries. Fully individual not a mainstream color with sponsor logo's. (except falken... boooo!) I love seeing people like ryan tuerck, nate hamilton, matt powers(gonna be missed) Matt Fields, Corey Hosford, and so on. If you go to an event you will see that the drivers are fan based. Its not private security chllin in their big rig. It is drivers running around the paddock chilling with guys signing autographs and creating a good time for the fans. I love drifting and personally compete, so getting to meet a driver is awesome. Seeing the skill and the engineering I love it. As for hp... Only thing I could see is maybe restricting displacement/ aspiration. Such as anything over a 5l cannot be boosted. We will see how this season goes with all the turbo v8's.

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AFSil80 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Savannah, GA Age: 36 Posts: 776 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I wonder if the redneck hipsters in the 60's rejected NASCAR once it went mainstream and moved way beyond the grassroots movement. My thing is this...instead of bitching about it, find something else that you're happy to participate in, rather than wasting your time crying about something that you want nothing to do with. In other words, move on and quit worrying about everyone else. __________________ - Peter --66 LeMans--89 240SX--14 Juke RS--

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Skidward Join Date: May 2012 Location: Lost Angeles Age: 57 Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yes, it is out of control...but, what a spectacle! I think that a number of the suggestions made might be helpful (different classes or tiers, horsepower and modification limitations). It is my hope that this great sport can be kept fun, vibrant, and growing.

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spools420a Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: phoenix az Age: 39 Posts: 422 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	lost interest as its more a marketing gimmic and not a sport you can go to and have fun,they need more street car amatuer class that average people could attend.as soon as america got into drifting it turned from fun to making money like a nascar event and lost toomuch appeal and lost all its roots.It evolved in the wrong direction now if it could de evolve and be what it used to be...FUN!

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simmode1 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Addison, TX Posts: 5,526 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^ Agreed. I have no hope that a street class based system will be established, so I lost interest as well & prefer to focus on amateur level grassroots drifting.

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ditchs14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: seaford de Posts: 475 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	why cant we just have this

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chris_240sx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 425 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'd like to see rolling starts and a larger variation of course layouts (sweeping, tight, small, large, just an array really). I think those are pretty easy to implement and would help with the drag racing feel FD can have.

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Nismocoupe13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Maryland Age: 33 Posts: 52 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think rolling starts up to 50mph would be good, kinda how IDC has it. To be honest though, seeing how close that battles were at the Gauntlet, I wish every round was like that.

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